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Dibblerette
The Phantom Regiment
Stillness of Chaos
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Posted - 2011.12.08 04:26:00 -
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So, I was theorycrafting and started wondering about some more...eccentric ideas for small gang warfare, and was wondering what everyone else could come up with.
A few of mine: (Note: I have no idea if these are remotely feasible due to not having a fitting tool handy)
4x roaming vengeances, cyno fit with webs/tackle
1x Moros
Vengeances find target, tackle. One burns off 20-30km, lights up, and BOOM.
5x "Pantheon" Thorax/Deimos with medium armor maintenance bots
Pretty straightforward, you have 25 armor bots as logis, orbit and blast. Close blaster range helps downplay drone travel time. Just make sure you don't repair the enemy or shoot your wingman. Benefits immensely from Legion/Damnation boosts and or (lol) slaves? 
Might also work with Ishkurs/light bots?
4x Sentry sniping Ishtars
1x Sebo'd ceptor
Remote gatecamp, only ceptor is really in danger, Ishtars sit at range on sentries and assist drones to the ceptor. Alternatively, swap ceptor for dictor, and then gridfu near a gate to get +200km away, deploy sentries, sit within warping distance from the gate and bubble, have sentries deployed in the middle.
2x Heavy neut Curses
2x Tornado
1x Lachesis
Long point, long neut, long range. 
Let's see what crazy, half plausible things you guys come up with! |
Forum Fighter
Internet Tough Guys
7
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Posted - 2011.12.08 04:55:00 -
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k.i.s.s.
drake blob
Rescuing fanbois from haters since 2003-¬ |
St Mio
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
164
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Posted - 2011.12.08 05:15:00 -
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5x Ferox
Anyone who ends up seeing 5 flashy Ferox on overview will be overcome with confusion and have no idea how to react, leaving them helpless. Not sure how you'll actually kill anything though... |
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
146
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Posted - 2011.12.08 06:25:00 -
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St Mio wrote:5x Ferox
Anyone who ends up seeing 5 flashy Ferox on overview will be overcome with confusion and have no idea how to react, leaving them helpless. Not sure how you'll actually kill anything though...
Its easy, you just use them for highsec wars.
5 feroxes is too much for the average highsec alliance to take on. |
Tora Oni
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
59
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Posted - 2011.12.08 11:01:00 -
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St Mio wrote:5x Ferox
Anyone who ends up seeing 5 flashy Ferox on overview will be overcome with confusion and have no idea how to react, leaving them helpless. Not sure how you'll actually kill anything though...
If I see so many Ferox, I would think they are all gas harvesting  .
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Mekhana
Spiritus Draconis
360
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Posted - 2011.12.08 11:11:00 -
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St Mio wrote:5x Ferox
Anyone who ends up seeing 5 flashy Ferox on overview will be overcome with confusion and have no idea how to react, leaving them helpless. Not sure how you'll actually kill anything though...
5 Ferox? More like wonder why they aren't flying Drakes instead.
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Krios Ahzek
Juvenis Iratus
248
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Posted - 2011.12.08 11:22:00 -
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4 falcons
1 anything with enough DPS to kill your target ship in 2 hours
The only warrior on this battlefield who isn't an alt.
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Ralnik
Alpha Squad
0
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Posted - 2011.12.08 11:30:00 -
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Keep it simple, BC's are the most used ship hull in the game for PVP for a very good reason. They preform very well in the widest rage of circumstances and as such tend to best the best ship for the most occasions.
5 person gang is a little too small to worry about logistics IMHO and it's really kinda small to add in a Rapier/Arazu tag team. However it might be worth while to use either an Arazu or a Rapier for your scout and initial tackle. In that matter I guess you could use a Falcon instead if you wanted to push the limits a bit of what you can engage, but then you wold need to use one of the BC's as the tackle.
Regardless you want to rest of your gang in BC's.. either 4 Drakes or 4 Canes. If you go Canes use the 720 arti fits and if using Drakes go with a nanno/HML. It might also be worth trading 2 of the BC's for the new Tornados to really dish out the DPS. IMO it would be very temping to have 2 of those new BC's and the other 2 BC's as heavy tackle, but I'm just going by the stats I've seen as I haven't flown them yet. (just came back to the game)
Also it would help this gang out a lot if you have one guy with good leadership skills to fit the bonused point/web link. |
Mfume Apocal
Origin.
Black Legion.
152
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Posted - 2011.12.08 11:51:00 -
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he asks for unusual setups and you give drakes and canes
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Ujagar Sommdax
JotunHeim Hird
Moon Warriors
1
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Posted - 2011.12.08 15:16:00 -
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Forum Fighter wrote:k.i.s.s.
drake blob
Hahaha. Such a dumbass answer but i love it |
Roosterton
Shattered Star Exiles
SpaceMonkey's Alliance
188
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Posted - 2011.12.08 15:59:00 -
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Huginn
Lachesis
Rook
1400mm tornado
1400mm tornado
If you have a sixth guy, have him in a safe providing skirmish links.
Huginn will web (and maybe TP? ) something to make it an easy target.
Lach points and damps their range down to below your kiting range. (~60km)
Rook jams anything not covered by the Lach.
1400mm tornados hit f1 and watch the pretty blue lights.
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Sutskop
PILSGESCHWADER
Monkey Circus
20
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Posted - 2011.12.08 16:17:00 -
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Dibblerette wrote:5x "Pantheon" Thorax/Deimos with medium armor maintenance bots Pretty straightforward, you have 25 armor bots as logis, orbit and blast. Close blaster range helps downplay drone travel time. Just make sure you don't repair the enemy or shoot your wingman. Benefits immensely from Legion/Damnation boosts and or (lol) slaves? Might also work with Ishkurs/light bots?
Technically you only have 20 bots since you cannot repair yourself with them. |
Dark Pangolin
Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse
23
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Posted - 2011.12.08 17:08:00 -
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Sutskop wrote:Dibblerette wrote:5x "Pantheon" Thorax/Deimos with medium armor maintenance bots Pretty straightforward, you have 25 armor bots as logis, orbit and blast. Close blaster range helps downplay drone travel time. Just make sure you don't repair the enemy or shoot your wingman. Benefits immensely from Legion/Damnation boosts and or (lol) slaves? Might also work with Ishkurs/light bots? Technically you only have 20 bots since you cannot repair yourself with them.
Which is completely ridiculous by the way....WE DON'T HAVE THE SPACE TECHNOLOGY TO ADD A "REPAIR ME" BUTTON! |
aetherguy881
Malformed Entity
1
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Posted - 2011.12.08 17:18:00 -
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Unorthodox is not the same as a well purposed fleet. OP mentioned perfectly viable fleets.
Battlehulks/baders have their place (yummy bait and "WTF!?" factor.
Maybe armor buffer and shield logi, but that would just be stupid. |
Dibblerette
The Phantom Regiment
Stillness of Chaos
6
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Posted - 2011.12.08 20:16:00 -
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Mfume Apocal wrote:he asks for unusual setups and you give drakes and canes
Yeah, I realize that there are fits that everyone thinks are "correct" for these sorts of gangs, but I was talking more about off-the-wall ideas that just might work due to the WTF factor (a la battle badgers) or hell, maybe just got overlooked somehow 
I saw a ferox in lowsec the other day whilst roaming. I had no idea what to make of it. So I assumed bait an GTFO'd. A gang of 5 Feroxes would be hilarious, need to get some people on Sisi and try them out.
Cmon guys, MOAR FUNKY FLEETS! |
William Walker
House Celtae
0
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Posted - 2011.12.08 20:43:00 -
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How about this
3 sentinels
2 keres
Keres keep em at bay and sensordamp and the sentinels disrupt and the drones eat the enemy up. Pick enemies with turrets, you're fast enough to run anyway. |
Dibblerette
The Phantom Regiment
Stillness of Chaos
6
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Posted - 2011.12.08 20:59:00 -
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Yay EAFs!
I like the idea, but it seems pretty light on the DPS. Maybe drop one Sentinel for a Talos or some other blunt object? A DPS rook (if such a thing exists) would work very well with the damps from a Keres.
Update: With my current PYFA warrioring, the Pantheon Deimos's provide a 150 dps tank per flight of drones. This is without the drone repair rig, as I still can't figure out how to apply it to the projected fits, but it says it gives a bonus of 15 (Percent, I assume) to each drone. With base reps of 28 giving projected EHP gain of 30.9 per drone, and assuming my math is applied and done right, it would add an extra 25 reps PER FLIGHT with a T2 rig (Total around 175) , or just shy of 20 (170) with T1. Of course, I still have one empty rig and highslot, but CPU is at a premium.
The initial results are interesting though. In a gang of 5, you could have one Deimos getting a 680 DPS REMOTE tank, and have one flight to spare!
Alternatively, you could use light bots for half the tank, but then the guy getting repped could pull his bots and drop ECM drones or warriors to deal with enemy drones/ceptors. |
Ralnik
Alpha Squad
0
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Posted - 2011.12.09 11:48:00 -
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Mfume Apocal wrote:he asks for unusual setups and you give drakes and canes
Then go with Rapier, Arazu & 2x Stealth Bomber and a Dramiel. I've used this gang set up before but the Rapir needs to fit 3x Webs (it doesn't need tackle the 3rd web is to keep a second threat at bay). The Arazu should fit 3x sensor Damps & 1 long point.
The bombers should go with typical "low sec" damage fits "without bomb launchers".. The Arazu & Rapier as well as the Dram will be on grid so no need trying to bomb.
The basic idea is the Arazu & Rapier tackle/web from max range and at the Arazu uses range damps to pretty much make the targets locking range next to nothing (Arazu becomes a poor mans Falcon being the target can't lock you if you keep range). The Bombers then apply the DPS from 40 to 50km way out side locking distance of the target that has damps being applied to him. The Dramiel is just there as a fast tackle as well as keeping other frig pilots away. If there is a frig on the field the bombers should be cloaked.
This is a nice little null sec gate camp gang to use with drag bubbles off gates. However it tends to be limited to just 1 ship at a time but has the ability to keep a second ship at bay (hence the reason for the 3rd web/damp on the Rapier/Arazu.
First time I took this gang out we killed a pie Dommi & a Astarte on a low sec gate. So it'ts possible to take on 2 targets but you have to play it smart.
The reason I posted Drakes & Canes though is because 99% of the time they will be the better choice. I've used the above cloaky gang several times but it has it's limitations and almost always, we had to pass up fights we could have done had we been in BC's only to sit around bored in the cloakys. |
Rellik B00n
Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers
The 0rphanage
55
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Posted - 2011.12.09 13:44:00 -
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5 nano Imicus!
that gives you 15 t2 light drones
IF post = alt AND subject is positive for goons THEN assume goon alt post. |
Elindreal
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
30
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Posted - 2011.12.09 19:16:00 -
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maybe not too unorthodox but why not just 1 of each cloaky recon plus bait t3?
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Dibblerette
The Phantom Regiment
Stillness of Chaos
6
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Posted - 2011.12.09 20:35:00 -
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Elindreal wrote:maybe not too unorthodox but why not just 1 of each cloaky recon plus bait t3?
I like this, but seems like the Pilgrim is kind of made useless by the other 3 because it will have to get in close with the neuts. Maybe a stealth bomber for some DPS instead. Alternatively, drop the rapier and arazu for more Pilgrims and neuts. No cap = no warp, though you should probably still have some tackle. |
Elindreal
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
30
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Posted - 2011.12.09 20:42:00 -
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this is true, i keep forgetting it's the curse that has the range bonus not the pilgrim
falcon
2x pilgrim
1x rapier
bait t3
?
falcon and rapier hang at range while the bait tackles for the pilgrims?
poor gallente get ths cut :( |
Dibblerette
The Phantom Regiment
Stillness of Chaos
6
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Posted - 2011.12.09 20:45:00 -
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You could have a heavy neut curse or two (which can drain out to something like 80km ). For racialequality funtimes, you could bring a.....cloaky rail proteus? That just sounds wrong... If the cloak is droppable, maybe a good old fashioned RR domi, or sniper Talos/Mega for dps. |
Ralnik
Alpha Squad
0
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Posted - 2011.12.09 21:32:00 -
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You can throw any kind of mix match gang together you want and call it unorthodox.. However the problem becomes is it capable of doing much other than providing KMs for your opposition.
With a small gang you need a few factors and one of those factors is DPS. A gang of recons just doesn't have the DPS needed to kill anything before 20 others jump in yo gank you. Recons are not DPS platforms they are EW support.
The Pilgrim is capable of killing some "lone" BS but it typically takes you a while, and by the time you add in decent DPS to the other Recons you have effectively gimped their EW capabilities.
It's why I used the bombers as DPS with the Recon gangs I ran. Most of the time we just had 3 bombers but after using the gang a few times there was just no way of getting around the need for a anti frig ship.. The bombers because useless the moment a frig came on grid.
Now another set up we toyed with using to expand the target capabilities was Rapier, Arazu & 3 Nanno Drakes with Cloaks. Drakes tend to be the only BC that works well with a cloak as you have a useless high slot most of the time anyway. The locking speed issue isn't much of a factor as the Arazu & Rapier are doing the tackle.
Everyone laughs at cloaks on non cloaky ships, but TBH it allows you to travel through low sec for instance and get past larger gangs and it allows you the ability to keep your gang hidden once you reach your hunting grounds. 2 bombers will still put out more DPS however the 3 Drakes expand your target range and amount of ships you can take on.
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Xolve
Epidemic.
101
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Posted - 2011.12.09 23:39:00 -
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5x Spider Tanking Duel Web HML Nano Osprey's
The sheer shock and awe of this fleet will dumbfound any opponent (and it actually works)
Lady Spank for C&P Moderator.
"VegasMirage > Dude come back, I'll do anything, I'll even be quiet in comms, please lead fleets and run ops again!" |
I likegirls
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
48
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Posted - 2011.12.10 00:11:00 -
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5 Ragnaroks. Best alpha in the game. |
Mfume Apocal
Origin.
Black Legion.
153
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Posted - 2011.12.11 01:03:00 -
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Xolve wrote:5x Spider Tanking Duel Web HML Nano Osprey's
The sheer shock and awe of this fleet will dumbfound any opponent (and it actually works)
Spider-tanking and Nano are contradicting.
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Andrea Griffin
55
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Posted - 2011.12.11 17:29:00 -
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I have always wanted to try a griffin fleet. T2 MAPC makes it just a little more awesome.
[Griffin, Hugs]
Micro Auxiliary Power Core II
ECM - Spatial Destabilizer II
Warp Scrambler II
Medium Azeotropic Ward Salubrity I
Catalyzed Cold-Gas I Arcjet Thrusters
125mm Gatling AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP S
Rocket Launcher II, Caldari Navy Foxfire Rocket
Rocket Launcher II, Caldari Navy Foxfire Rocket
Small Particle Dispersion Augmentor I
Small Particle Dispersion Augmentor I
[empty rig slot]
Warrior II x1
5 of those will do about 350 DPS and racial jam strength over 9. Even with cheap T1 junk this could be fun.
It's not you guys who need to repair what has been broken, it's us. CCP Wrangler |
Dibblerette
The Phantom Regiment
Stillness of Chaos
8
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Posted - 2011.12.11 20:34:00 -
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Andrea Griffin wrote:I have always wanted to try a griffin fleet. T2 MAPC makes it just a little more awesome.
[Griffin, Hugs]
Micro Auxiliary Power Core II
ECM - Spatial Destabilizer II
Warp Scrambler II
Medium Azeotropic Ward Salubrity I
Catalyzed Cold-Gas I Arcjet Thrusters
125mm Gatling AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP S
Rocket Launcher II, Caldari Navy Foxfire Rocket
Rocket Launcher II, Caldari Navy Foxfire Rocket
Small Particle Dispersion Augmentor I
Small Particle Dispersion Augmentor I
[empty rig slot]
Warrior II x1
5 of those will do about 350 DPS and racial jam strength over 9. Even with cheap T1 junk this could be fun.
I used to fly one of those, but it was soley ECM tanked. Meaning no MAPC, but a distortion amp, and no tackle/shields but more jammers.
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Mr Bigwinky
Click Click BOOM
4U Holdings Inc
53
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Posted - 2011.12.20 16:13:00 -
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Surprised noone has went with the normal PL tactic, I hear it works wonders?
Apparently you get like 1 frigate with a cyno and just drop supercaps on people! Brilliant!
For those of you who missed that, that's:
1x frigate (cyno fit)
4x supercap
GÖÑ
Welcome to EVE online, here's your rubix cube, go F*** yourself GÖÑ |
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