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Violet Crumble Funtime Factory 744	Posted - 2015.07.26 22:38:21 - [31] - Quote GordonO wrote: sigh, as I type Steve answers my questions.. LOL.. still sad though that eve is heading down the tack of "bullies" aka gankers being able to do what they want. At some point people will stop hauling and no one will go to trade hubs. Not surprising the player base is still much the same as it was 5yrs ago.. Gankers aren't bullies. They are just people having fun playing the game and there's a whole lot of content that results from it. Each of us that hauls has a responsibility to look after our own safety and these situations really can be avoided. It's not up to CCP to protect us and in the end, if gankers use teams of characters to effect a gank (even a hyperdunk) then we should use teams of characters to shift the odds into our favour. It really only needs 1 more character (webbing ship) and good information (kill boards, haulers channel, anti gankers channel, gank Intel channel, a detailed watchlist) and if you really want, a scout. No need for anyone to give up hauling. We all just need to be responsible and apply some smarts. Funtime Factory - We put the fun back in funtime
Orca Platypus Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 35	Posted - 2015.07.26 22:39:24 - [32] - Quote I think I saw at least 3 killmails last week where a freighter got killed with blue webs on it. Well, I always said that webbing never worked, because it never worked. Repping doesn't do much either, overkill with free ships counters that stupidly easy. Biomassing alts and making throwaway accounts to avoid consequences of negative sec status was actually declared an exploit. Wonder if somebody ever got punished for it. When the only thing that's preventing a gank is lazyness and stupidity of an average ganker, what do you expect? CCP, it's tweaking time.
Max Deveron Deveron Shipyards and Technology 213	Posted - 2015.07.26 22:41:37 - [33] - Quote Violet Crumble wrote: GordonO wrote: sigh, as I type Steve answers my questions.. LOL.. still sad though that eve is heading down the tack of "bullies" aka gankers being able to do what they want. At some point people will stop hauling and no one will go to trade hubs. Not surprising the player base is still much the same as it was 5yrs ago.. Gankers aren't bullies. They are just people having fun playing the game and there's a whole lot of content that results from it. Each of us that hauls has a responsibility to look after our own safety and these situations really can be avoided. It's not up to CCP to protect us and in the end, if gankers use teams of characters to effect a gank (even a hyperdunk) then we should use teams of characters to shift the odds into our favour. It really only needs 1 more character (webbing ship) and good information (kill boards, haulers channel, anti gankers channel, gank Intel channel, a detailed watchlist) and if you really want, a scout. No need for anyone to give up hauling. We all just need to be responsible and apply some smarts. Yep, haulers and the solo players just need to learn that EvE was never intende for solo play. Edit: On the other hand, outside of the planning or practicing strategies....ganking is really super easy. Did it a long time ago on different character. It got boring, really boring because once you know all the ins and outs...its just, well boring as much as mining is without considering the motivations behind it.
Violet Crumble Funtime Factory 744	Posted - 2015.07.26 22:41:53 - [34] - Quote Orca Platypus wrote: Well, I always said that webbing never worked, because it never worked. For me it works all the time. Funtime Factory - We put the fun back in funtime
Lord LazyGhost Sons Against Humanity 496	Posted - 2015.07.26 22:42:55 - [35] - Quote While gcc in high sec not being able to board a ship in space would fix this problem
Violet Crumble Funtime Factory 745	Posted - 2015.07.26 22:49:22 - [36] - Quote Lord LazyGhost wrote: While gcc in high sec not being able to board a ship in space would fix this problem There is no problem and it would fix nothing. It would just take longer to do the same thing (See Shah Fluffers post above). Avoid it in the first place and there is nothing to worry about as a hauler. Funtime Factory - We put the fun back in funtime
Orca Platypus Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 35	Posted - 2015.07.26 22:49:32 - [37] - Quote Violet Crumble wrote: Gankers aren't bullies. They are just people having fun playing the game and there's a whole lot of content that results from it. They are below bullies, just harassers like mosquitoes, with a comparable IQ. Violet Crumble wrote: Each of us that hauls has a responsibility to look after our own safety and these situations really can be avoided. It's not up to CCP to protect us and in the end, if gankers use teams of characters to effect a gank (even a hyperdunk) then we should use teams of characters to shift the odds into our favour. As long as there is no ship which can't be freely ganked, this paragraph is utter bullcrap. Violet Crumble wrote: It really only needs 1 more character (webbing ship) and good information (kill boards, haulers channel, anti gankers channel, gank Intel channel, a detailed watchlist) and if you really want, a scout. https://zkillboard.com/kill/47757900/ - webbing never worked, it just makes ganking marginally more difficult than making it through the 2-person wide doorway without faceplanting on the edge, it's surprising me that gankers dare to moan about it. Uedama Niarja Madirmilire always have gankers, don't need intel for that, and they are unavoidable. So you have a scout in Uedama Niarja Madirmilire to see gankers there 23/7, I dunno if it turns you on, but it doesn't make ganking you any harder. Detailed watchlist? There are 400+ QQODE, thousands of gewnies, and god knows how many tardmites. And there is always someone in Uedama Niarja Madirmilire, so I don't see it as helpful. Violet Crumble wrote: No need for anyone to give up hauling. We all just need to be responsible and apply some smarts. I had to give up hauling and half my Pushx contracts in the last month ended in collateral payout. There is no solution in ways to play which allows you to haul. You can avoid gank by not playing eve, you cannot if you want to haul anything. CCP, it's tweaking time.
Kaarous Aldurald Black Hydra Consortium. CODE. 13820	Posted - 2015.07.26 22:50:02 - [38] - Quote Orca Platypus wrote: Well, I always said that webbing never worked, because it never worked. I do it myself, and it works perfectly well. You just have to have a clue, and play the game with more than half your ass. Which means that it's out of reach for most carebears. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." One of ours, ten of theirs. Best Meltdown Ever.
Kimmi Chan Tastes Like Purple 1828	Posted - 2015.07.26 22:50:03 - [39] - Quote Is there a reason the freighter couldn't slowboat the 15k back through the gate and warp out until another time? Would the ganker just follow? Sounds to me like logi is the way to go on this but again then it's just the attrition of boredom. "Grr Kimmi-á Nerf Chans!" ~Jenn aSide www.eve-radio.com -áJoin Eve Radio channel in game!
Orca Platypus Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 35	Posted - 2015.07.26 22:53:22 - [40] - Quote Kaarous Aldurald wrote: Orca Platypus wrote: Well, I always said that webbing never worked, because it never worked. I do it myself, and it works perfectly well. You just have to have a clue, and play the game with more than half your ass. Which means that it's out of reach for most carebears. Violet Crumble wrote: Orca Platypus wrote: Well, I always said that webbing never worked, because it never worked. For me it works all the time. Yeah, yeah, it always works on boards, but only for trolls. For some of us who actually play eve, however, it never did.
Kaarous Aldurald Black Hydra Consortium. CODE. 13821	Posted - 2015.07.26 22:54:26 - [41] - Quote Orca Platypus wrote: I had to give up hauling and half my Pushx contracts in the last month ended in collateral payout. There is no solution in ways to play which allows you to haul. You can avoid gank by not playing eve, you cannot if you want to haul anything. CCP, it's tweaking time. Yeah CCP, you hear? This guy had to face the fact that he sucks at EVE, so it's time to nerf the people who are actually playing the game correctly! Or not. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." One of ours, ten of theirs. Best Meltdown Ever.
Violet Crumble Funtime Factory 745	Posted - 2015.07.26 22:55:00 - [42] - Quote Orca Platypus wrote: Violet Crumble wrote: No need for anyone to give up hauling. We all just need to be responsible and apply some smarts. I had to give up hauling and half my Pushx contracts in the last month ended in collateral payout. There is no solution in ways to play which allows you to haul. You can avoid gank by not playing eve, you cannot if you want to haul anything. CCP, it's tweaking time. It's ok. Not everyone can be good at every aspect of the game. I'm sure your good at other things even if you couldn't personally manage to haul successfully. Funtime Factory - We put the fun back in funtime
Orca Platypus Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 35	Posted - 2015.07.26 22:56:31 - [43] - Quote Kimmi Chan wrote: Is there a reason the freighter couldn't slowboat the 15k back through the gate and warp out until another time? You obviously never piloted a freighter. It's called bumping and when it starts, you are not allowed to control your freighter anymore. Kimmi Chan wrote: Sounds to me like logi is the way to go on this but again then it's just the attrition of boredom. Tried, tested, never worked. All gankers have to do is bring a few more free ships to counter logi, and they usually do it regardless of logi presence, because da free.
Kaarous Aldurald Black Hydra Consortium. CODE. 13821	Posted - 2015.07.26 22:56:44 - [44] - Quote Orca Platypus wrote: Yeah, yeah, it always works on boards, but only for trolls. For some of us who actually play eve, however, it never did. That's because you don't actually play EVE, like most carebears you just pretend to. Before I joined CODE, I would run my freighter through Uedama and Niarja half a dozen times a week or so. She never got ganked, she never even got bumped. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." One of ours, ten of theirs. Best Meltdown Ever.
Carrie-Anne Moss Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective 356	Posted - 2015.07.26 22:57:02 - [45] - Quote All you idiots saying webbing doesnt work just dont know how to actually do the web trick lol. Seriously google it you idiots. Yiu need to web immediately as freighter uncloaks and clicks warp to the next gate. Freaking test it going from station to station. But that would be too much effort for you babies. You just suck at this video game. Web IMMEDIATELY. Its too late if you start moving and get bumped. Freaking teat it you from station to atation. God you guys i hope you quit. Eve doesnt beed you. You are worthless to this video game. GTFO
Orca Platypus Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 35	Posted - 2015.07.26 23:01:46 - [46] - Quote Violet Crumble wrote: It's ok. Not everyone can be good at every aspect of the game. Completely agree. If you could do anything else in eve without failing pathetically, you won't have to succumb into cretin-proof activity called ganking to save the failing self-esteem. Violet Crumble wrote: I'm sure your good at other things even if you couldn't personally manage to haul successfully. I never got ganked myself while hauling since 2010. It's just more and more people were out for the infinite reward in brain afk mode, which is ganking, so I tested various ways to haul and haven't found a single one not trivially counterable by someone who's about as smart as a homosexual parrot. Then found the proof on killboards that I haven't been wrong. It's just gonna be pushx losses and not mine for now, until the inevitable tweaking pass is done due to bleeding subscriptions on this issue.
Orca Platypus Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 35	Posted - 2015.07.26 23:03:09 - [47] - Quote Kaarous Aldurald wrote: Orca Platypus wrote: Yeah, yeah, it always works on boards, but only for trolls. For some of us who actually play eve, however, it never did. That's because you don't actually play EVE, like most carebears you just pretend to. Before I joined CODE, I would run my freighter through Uedama and Niarja half a dozen times a week or so. She never got ganked, she never even got bumped. Yep, because gankers were as lazy and stupid as you are when you claim webbing works. Unfortunately, I can't count that **** won't hit their brains on my webbed freighter all the time.
Kaarous Aldurald Black Hydra Consortium. CODE. 13821	Posted - 2015.07.26 23:04:00 - [48] - Quote Orca Platypus wrote: It's just gonna be pushx losses and not mine for now, until the inevitable tweaking pass is done due to bleeding subscriptions on this issue. If you quit because you can't figure out how to neutral web your own freighter, pretty sure CCP will write you off as no big loss. I know I sure will. Now, can I have your stuff? "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." One of ours, ten of theirs. Best Meltdown Ever.
Kimmi Chan Tastes Like Purple 1828	Posted - 2015.07.26 23:04:44 - [49] - Quote Orca Platypus wrote: Kimmi Chan wrote: Is there a reason the freighter couldn't slowboat the 15k back through the gate and warp out until another time? You obviously never piloted a freighter. It's called bumping and when it starts, you are not allowed to control your freighter anymore.. You're right. I've never piloted a freighter. I haul my stuff in a Crane. Might have to make multiple trips but never been bumped or ganked. Maybe it's because they were too busy with the freighter loaded with billions of ISK worth of cargo. Maybe it's because you're an easier target than I am. Moral of the story - don't be a target. Added tip (because I love you) - don't be a victim. "Grr Kimmi-á Nerf Chans!" ~Jenn aSide www.eve-radio.com -áJoin Eve Radio channel in game!
Kaarous Aldurald Black Hydra Consortium. CODE. 13821	Posted - 2015.07.26 23:05:34 - [50] - Quote Orca Platypus wrote: Yep, because gankers were as lazy and stupid as you are when you claim webbing works. If they're so lazy and stupid, but you're the one getting ganked all the time, what does that make you? "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." One of ours, ten of theirs. Best Meltdown Ever.
Violet Crumble Funtime Factory 745	Posted - 2015.07.26 23:06:08 - [51] - Quote Orca Platypus wrote: Violet Crumble wrote: It's ok. Not everyone can be good at every aspect of the game. Completely agree. If you could do anything else in eve without failing pathetically, you won't have to succumb into cretin-proof activity called ganking to save the failing self-esteem. Violet Crumble wrote: I'm sure your good at other things even if you couldn't personally manage to haul successfully. I never got ganked myself while hauling since 2010. It's just more and more people were out for the infinite reward in brain afk mode, which is ganking, so I tested various ways to haul and haven't found a single one not trivially counterable by someone who's about as smart as a homosexual parrot. Then found the proof on killboards that I haven't been wrong. It's just gonna be pushx losses and not mine for now, until the inevitable tweaking pass is done due to bleeding subscriptions on this issue. So you gave up hauling and paid out collateral last month without even being ganked? Why? Were you that scared of the possibility that you took contracts and then just didn't complete them? That's some next level paranoia. Funtime Factory - We put the fun back in funtime
Orca Platypus Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 36	Posted - 2015.07.26 23:08:18 - [52] - Quote Kaarous Aldurald wrote: Orca Platypus wrote: It's just gonna be pushx losses and not mine for now, until the inevitable tweaking pass is done due to bleeding subscriptions on this issue. If you quit because you can't figure out how to neutral web your own freighter, pretty sure CCP will write you off as no big loss. I know I sure will. Now, can I have your stuff? I'm already unsubbed. If you could bring any scenario where webbing actually works in a game, we could have something to talk about. But you are just pressing to be called a blablatard, because that's all you can do. I will say it once again, slowly, so even famous bonehead who stands out even among the QQODE with his blazing idiotism can understand: instantly. webbing. freighter. does. not. make. ganking. it. any. harder. https://zkillboard.com/kill/47757900/ - this is the proof. Now try to disprove it or gtfo. Or just gtfo.
Orca Platypus Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 36	Posted - 2015.07.26 23:10:10 - [53] - Quote Kimmi Chan wrote: Orca Platypus wrote: Kimmi Chan wrote: Is there a reason the freighter couldn't slowboat the 15k back through the gate and warp out until another time? You obviously never piloted a freighter. It's called bumping and when it starts, you are not allowed to control your freighter anymore.. You're right. I've never piloted a freighter. I haul my stuff in a Crane. Might have to make multiple trips but never been bumped or ganked. Maybe it's because they were too busy with the freighter loaded with billions of ISK worth of cargo. Maybe it's because you're an easier target than I am. Moral of the story - don't be a target. Added tip (because I love you) - don't be a victim. The last Pushx dude who hauled for me was in blockade runner too. Guess what happened? The thing current game balance made inevitable. Moral of the story - don't be an idiot trying to argue about a thing you never did.
Kaarous Aldurald Black Hydra Consortium. CODE. 13822	Posted - 2015.07.26 23:13:02 - [54] - Quote Orca Platypus wrote: I'm already unsubbed. Good riddance. Now, since I actually can fly a freighter properly, which by the way the fact that a ganker can fly a freighter better than you is something you should be ashamed of, how about giving me your stuff? It's pretty much a fact that I'll put it to better use than you have. Quote: If you could bring any scenario where webbing actually works in a game, we could have something to talk about. Be me. Be dual boxing a freighter and a Dramiel with double webs. Use freighter's position on gate to forcemove Dramiel to within 6k of freighter, while freighter is still cloaked. Click buttan to warp freighter to gate. Frantically alt tab. Dramiel locks up freighter in less than one second, with webs pre-activated to land upon lock completion. Dramiel webs freighter into warp towards gate so fast it can't complete it's warp animation. #sidewaysfreighter. Quote: I will say it once again, slowly, so even famous bonehead who stands out even among the QQODE with his blazing idiotism can understand: instantly. webbing. freighter. does. not. make. ganking. it. any. harder. https://zkillboard.com/kill/47757900/ - this is the proof. I won't say it slowly, even though I genuinely do deride your capability to read it. The tactic is not broken just because you're too bad at the game to use it correctly. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." One of ours, ten of theirs. Best Meltdown Ever.
Violet Crumble Funtime Factory 746	Posted - 2015.07.26 23:13:26 - [55] - Quote Orca Platypus wrote: I will say it once again, slowly, so even famous bonehead who stands out even among the QQODE with his blazing idiotism can understand: instantly. webbing. freighter. does. not. make. ganking. it. any. harder. https://zkillboard.com/kill/47757900/ - this is the proof. Now try to disprove it or gtfo. This is just not true. Webbing applied at the right time works perfectly. I do it every day and I'll FRAPS it today and post a link to the video in this thread. Funtime Factory - We put the fun back in funtime
Orca Platypus Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 36	Posted - 2015.07.26 23:14:06 - [56] - Quote Violet Crumble wrote: So you gave up hauling and paid out collateral last month without even being ganked? Why? I received collateral from a courier contract I set up, not the other way around. Why is it always gankers with negative reading comprehension? Violet Crumble wrote: Were you that scared of the possibility that you took contracts and then just didn't complete them? Apparently, the guy who took it on Pushx side was a professional hauler - Pushx is a hauling service. Violet Crumble wrote: That's some next level paranoia; and seems giving up hauling was a good thing. No point being paranoid in a video game. Much better to have fun. I didn't give it up, I outsourced it. I would've done it myself if it were possible, but it isn't, due to ganking being free and cretin-proof easy. Well, gankers are harassers who just want to ruin the fun of it. That's why I had to move from hisec. I'm in null now, where they will never come out to play, because of how scared they are.
Kimmi Chan Tastes Like Purple 1828	Posted - 2015.07.26 23:14:09 - [57] - Quote Orca Platypus wrote: Kimmi Chan wrote: Orca Platypus wrote: Kimmi Chan wrote: Is there a reason the freighter couldn't slowboat the 15k back through the gate and warp out until another time? You obviously never piloted a freighter. It's called bumping and when it starts, you are not allowed to control your freighter anymore.. You're right. I've never piloted a freighter. I haul my stuff in a Crane. Might have to make multiple trips but never been bumped or ganked. Maybe it's because they were too busy with the freighter loaded with billions of ISK worth of cargo. Maybe it's because you're an easier target than I am. Moral of the story - don't be a target. Added tip (because I love you) - don't be a victim. The last Pushx dude who hauled for me was in blockade runner too. Guess what happened? The thing current game balance made inevitable. Moral of the story - don't be an idiot trying to argue about a thing you never did. Hey don't get pissed at me shitbag. I didn't gank your **. Have no desire to gank your . And am just tired as of people bitching about crap. Find a way to make it work like everyone else who makes it work or ** off to another game. You call gankers stupid and yet continue to sub to a game that you obviously have some serious anger issues about. "Grr Kimmi-á Nerf Chans!" ~Jenn aSide www.eve-radio.com -áJoin Eve Radio channel in game!
Kimmi Chan Tastes Like Purple 1829	Posted - 2015.07.26 23:20:14 - [58] - Quote Kaarous Aldurald wrote: Be me. Honestly Kaarous. I love you man but the idea of being you makes my balls shrivel up. "Grr Kimmi-á Nerf Chans!" ~Jenn aSide www.eve-radio.com -áJoin Eve Radio channel in game!
Orca Platypus Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 36	Posted - 2015.07.26 23:20:55 - [59] - Quote Kaarous Aldurald wrote: Be me. Be dual boxing a freighter and a Dramiel with double webs. Use freighter's position on gate to forcemove Dramiel to within 6k of freighter, while freighter is still cloaked. Click buttan to warp freighter to gate. Frantically alt tab. Dramiel locks up freighter in less than one second, with webs pre-activated to land upon lock completion. Dramiel webs freighter into warp towards gate so fast it can't complete it's warp animation. #sidewaysfreighter. So. I have to abuse some substance which will slow me down to your level. I have to do some dramiel kung-fu instead of using a minmatar recon like someone with a single not ****-shot brain cell would do. I have to be unable to put two windows side by side like someone... you know the rest. I have to not know that basically anything locks up freighter in one tick. I also have to be ignorant pissbrain to not know you cannot lock things in less than one second. I have to pretend https://zkillboard.com/kill/47757900/ this and all the other blue web killmails never happened. Sorry, that is too much. You can't make it work, I afraid.
Violet Crumble Funtime Factory 748	Posted - 2015.07.26 23:24:48 - [60] - Quote Orca Platypus wrote: Violet Crumble wrote: So you gave up hauling and paid out collateral last month without even being ganked? Why? I received collateral from a courier contract I set up, not the other way around. Why is it always gankers with negative reading comprehension? Ah ok. Wasn't obvious that you meant it that way from this earlier bit: I had to give up hauling and half my Pushx contracts in the last month ended in collateral payout. I just read it the other way. Never been a ganker by the way. I prefer other forms of play. I just don't have anything against them. Funtime Factory - We put the fun back in funtime

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