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Carrie-Anne Moss
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
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Posted - 2015.07.28 04:38:24 -
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Im in English 102 in summer college class.
Do you people in france have like French102 where you read French books and write Position Papers and Critical Analysises?
It's not called English 102 right?
I only ask here in GD cuz i dont associate with foreign people much except in eve and know that a lot of people in here in General Discussion are from other countries.
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Rowells
ANZAC ALLIANCE Fidelas Constans
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Posted - 2015.07.28 04:46:55 -
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this man does not represent the rest of US, he is special |
Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
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Posted - 2015.07.28 04:58:59 -
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The important question is, did you skip English 101?
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Frostys Virpio
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2015.07.28 05:00:51 -
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How about you go ****-post this on reddit? |
Infinity Ziona
Cloakers
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Posted - 2015.07.28 05:04:03 -
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Frostys Virpio wrote:How about you go ****-post this on reddit? "You foreign people" is ambiguous on an international forum.
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Omar Alharazaad
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
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Posted - 2015.07.28 05:11:42 -
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Folks, be gentle. Not everyone can get into the Special Olympics.
Some have to settle for being Fox News roving reporters.
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ISD Buldath
ISD STAR
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Posted - 2015.07.28 05:51:55 -
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Topic Moved to Out of Pod Experience |
embrel
BamBam Inc.
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Posted - 2015.07.28 05:56:32 -
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as I fail to detect the troll: ehm, yes... |
Vortexo VonBrenner
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
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Posted - 2015.07.28 06:04:55 -
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Oh, it's bad way out in those foreign places. I hear in the United Kingdom children are actually forced to take classes in the English language before the university level even. It's slavery, really. They have no choice! It's inhumane!
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Webvan
All Kill No Skill
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Posted - 2015.07.28 06:43:13 -
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Wut? Does American count as foreign? Sometimes you would think so here... We have English in US colleges. Happily I did not need to take any such classes; was recommended to skip the classes until later University levels. Didn't matter though, I was just in for computer science and some IT stuff. Are you asking for a tutor, CAM? IZ looks eager
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Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite CODE.
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Posted - 2015.07.28 07:19:56 -
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Hai! I is teeching engisch too mayself, donte neat any stinki klass
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2015.07.28 07:22:30 -
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What does any of that even mean?
I suppose that answers the question GǣnoGǥ, but it's hard to tellGǪ
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Barrogh Habalu
Forever Winter Absolute Zero.
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Posted - 2015.07.28 07:33:55 -
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Not sure what exactly you are asking about as title doesn't quite match the OP it seems, but whatever.
Here in Russia, as a part of obligatory education program we do study native language for about 10 years, so I guess the answer is yes.
English is a popular choice as a foreign language that is also included in a program. Although quality of teaching may vary, so can willingness and ability of people to learn ofc.
Obviously, children begin to learn languages way earlier in their life, but obviously native language is a no-brainer and the rest is at parents' discretion.
To be honest though, it was one hell of a weird question...
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Yourmoney Mywallet
Jita Institute of Applied Monetary Manipulation
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Posted - 2015.07.28 08:19:30 -
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Mike Whiite
Geuzen Inc
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Posted - 2015.07.28 08:32:31 -
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okay I'll bite.
In the Netherlands, people are taught, depending on their education level, 3 to 6 foreign languages before attending university. Welcome in the country of merchants
English being the first, starting as early as the age of 10, though the "real Teachers" TV, Cinema as most programs and movies are subtitled instead of using voice over and then there is the internet of course. |
Josef Djugashvilis
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Posted - 2015.07.28 09:13:58 -
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I live in a country jam packed with 'foreigners'
I am an Irishman (happily) living in England.
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Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance
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Posted - 2015.07.28 09:28:15 -
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Tippia wrote:What does any of that even mean? I suppose that answers the question GǣnoGǥ, but it's hard to tellGǪ Go easy on her people , it's a genuine question.
From my experience generally European non English speakers tend to have a comparable or better understanding of the English language by the time they enter third level education than most native English speakers use on the internet, particularly notable with Scandinavians and Germans. I have a German friend with a better level of English than her Irish boyfriend
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Azda Ja
Green Skull LLC
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Posted - 2015.07.28 10:00:46 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Tippia wrote:What does any of that even mean? I suppose that answers the question GǣnoGǥ, but it's hard to tellGǪ Go easy on her people , it's a genuine question. From my experience generally European non English speakers tend to have a comparable or better understanding of the English language by the time they enter third level education than most native English speakers use on the internet, particularly notable with Scandinavians and Germans. I have a German friend with a better level of English than her Irish boyfriend It's actually really funny to me how well many germans/ 'nordic' people speak english. They're always modest about it too, they'll answer in perfect english, using words you've only seen in books (hint hint) and say their english 'needs work'. Bullshit, only giveaway for them not being native speakers is the accent.
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Webvan
All Kill No Skill
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Posted - 2015.07.28 10:19:34 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Go easy on her people , it's a genuine question. But, it is pretty bad. Just even a little punctuation goes a long way. But I don't usually point that stuff out, unless it's the great wall of text. Like my last GF said, who was an English teacher, almost half my age, "SO WHAT!" /o\ Not my GF anymore Kids these days... pfff
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2015.07.28 10:20:35 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Tippia wrote:What does any of that even mean? I suppose that answers the question GÇ£noGÇ¥, but it's hard to tellGǪ Go easy on her people , it's a genuine question. From my experience generally European non English speakers tend to have a comparable or better understanding of the English language by the time they enter third level education than most native English speakers use on the internet, particularly notable with Scandinavians and Germans. I have a German friend with a better level of English than her Irish boyfriend I'm sure it's genuine GÇö it's just so unspecified. It's half a dozen questions at once and it's not clear what it is he really wants to know. As in, what is he actually asking for?
Do we have university courses in Swedish around here? Yes, 50+ of them of various types, excluding courses in general linguistics (that's a separate field) that occasionally use Swedish as an example or point of comparison. Do we have courses in literature studies, logic and argumentation analysis, rhetorics, and practical writing? Yes, but those are language-agnostic and are handled by the literature and philosophy departments. Do we have courses in English, per the title? Yes, 44 of them, not counting the social studies courses that exist in parallel to explain it all (but that probably includes some courses in Old and Middle English, which might be unfair to include GÇö in total we have some 450 language courses so there's a lot of fiddly junk in the course list). Do we have summer courses? Yes, but what's available tends to depend on what departments have teachers (or, more often, PhD students) who want to fill their quota earlier in the year, and on how many students there are that need the extra credits and financingGǪ
What the OP is describing doesn't really sound like any regular course, but rather like the basic writing exercises that are done during the first few weeks of GÇ£English AGÇ¥ to get your language synapses warmed up and firing. I'd expect that something similar exists in the GÇ£Swedish as a foreign languageGÇ¥ set of courses, but being a native speaker, I have no insight into those, and English A presupposes the regular 9+ years of schooling in the language, whereas the Swedish course in question assumes you have no idea how to pronounce GÇ£+ñGÇ¥. I suppose that, at a stretch, it might be similar to the introductory logic and rhetorics summer classes that were popular when I took them 10GÇô15 years ago (no idea if they're still around), but again, they were held by the philosophy and lit departments, respectively.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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embrel
BamBam Inc.
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Posted - 2015.07.28 10:38:53 -
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I think she wants to know whether we have courses in our mother-tongues too. Yes of course we do. |
Webvan
All Kill No Skill
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Posted - 2015.07.28 10:44:33 -
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embrel wrote:I think she wants to know whether we have courses in our mother-tongues too. Yes of course we do. By golly I think you're right!
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Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
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Posted - 2015.07.28 10:50:21 -
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Mike Whiite wrote:okay I'll bite.
In the Netherlands, people are taught, depending on their education level, 3 to 6 foreign languages before attending university. Welcome in the country of merchants
English being the first, starting as early as the age of 10, though the "real Teachers" are TV and Cinema as most programs and movies are subtitled instead of using voice over and then there is the internet of course. I guess he's asking a different question.
The Dutch are great with languages (lived in The Hague for 7 years), but he is asking, do you have subjects in School/University that are the equivalent of Dutch 101, Dutch 102, etc.
In school, a lot of English as a first language countries have English, which focuses on grammar, composition, literature, etc.; essentially subjects that teach the rules of communicating formally in English, even though you might think that is something natural because it's the first language of the country.
CAM is asking whether the same sort of thing exists elsewhere. Do Dutch schools have Nederlands 101 that teaches proper grammar, etc.
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Jenshae Chiroptera
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Posted - 2015.07.28 11:10:28 -
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"Do like you foreigners eat like real food like hamburgers and like pizza and like tomatos or do you like eat roots and leaves? And like how do you get on the Internet? Do you like have to peddle and stuff or do you put an elephant on like a treadmill?"
Studying at a tertiary instituition and asking common knowledge questions. Something has gone very wrong somewhere.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2015.07.28 11:21:06 -
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Scipio Artelius wrote:In school, a lot of English as a first language countries have English, which focuses on grammar, composition, literature, etc.; essentially subjects that teach the rules of communicating formally in English, even though you might think that is something natural because it's the first language of the country.
CAM is asking whether the same sort of thing exists elsewhere. Do Dutch schools have Nederlands 101 that teaches proper grammar, etc. That would probably be the equivalent of a GÇ£practical writingGÇ¥ course at uni level around here, but as general concept it's normally only part of some larger foreign language programs. In the case of Swedish, that kind of stuff is generally handled far earlier in the schooling system. Since foreign language schooling GÇö usually English GÇö is mandatory from the 4th year (age 9GÇô10:ish), grammar becomes a natural and necessary part of the curriculum that way. Without it, the second language can't really be taught. Swedish as a subject is taught all through 9 years of primary school, in most cases, 3 years of secondary school. So it's more of a high-school kind of exercise than something that you'd come across in college or university.
That said, there is a GÇ£Professional SwedishGÇ¥ set of courses at the university around here, but it's a far more advanced than what the OP describes. I's more if you want to go into the field of corporate communications, and funnily enough, its prerequisite is that you've taken at least two terms worth of university-level English before you're allowed to apply.
Also, Netherlands 101: The Netherlands is comprised of 12 provinces and 3 old colonial municipalities, two of which are Holland.
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Webvan
All Kill No Skill
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Posted - 2015.07.28 11:25:12 -
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Ok, so to answer this question properly: no, in the US, I don't believe we do. Well, maybe there is, but it's hidden away for few to find, for those that even care. Not only is illiteracy an epidemic, I don't even think that the majority of new teachers really comprehend the language any longer. Schools are falling while entitlement is rising. It's all about how we feel now, and how we need to group think to come to even basic decisions.
But it's not just the US, and it's not just language, but critical thinking in general is under assault. 40 years, no one can even put a man on the moon. Engineers are baffled how it was done. Such low-tech, yet they did it time and time again. Now? All the technological advancements, all the scientific achievements, we can hardly even get a payload into orbit. Devolution, while our computers crank out new stuff that we just don't understand. I'm sure there was a sci-fi book written on it at some point hah.
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embrel
BamBam Inc.
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Posted - 2015.07.28 11:38:18 -
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Webvan wrote:Ok, so to answer this question properly: no, in the US, I don't believe we do. Well, maybe there is, but it's hidden away for few to find, for those that even care.
see, a question I assumed to have an obvious answer shows me once more, that assumption is the mother of all ****-ups.
That's news to me. I assumed that in all developed countries, mother-tongue 101 would be part of the curriculum far earlier, because it is with us and our neighboring countries.
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Posted - 2015.07.28 11:58:17 -
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Webvan wrote:... But it's not just the US, and it's not just language, but critical thinking in general is under assault. ... Carlin on education.
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Webvan
All Kill No Skill
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Posted - 2015.07.28 13:13:25 -
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embrel wrote:Webvan wrote:Ok, so to answer this question properly: no, in the US, I don't believe we do. Well, maybe there is, but it's hidden away for few to find, for those that even care. see, a question I assumed to have an obvious answer shows me once more, that assumption is the mother of all ****-ups. That's news to me. I assumed that in all developed countries, mother-tongue 101 would be part of the curriculum far earlier, because it is with us and our neighboring countries. However... Yes, however...
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Avaelica Kuershin
Paper Cats
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Posted - 2015.07.28 13:33:23 -
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Webvan wrote:Ok, so to answer this question properly: no, in the US, I don't believe we do. Well, maybe there is, but it's hidden away for few to find, for those that even care. Not only is illiteracy an epidemic, I don't even think that the majority of new teachers really comprehend the language any longer. Schools are falling while entitlement is rising. It's all about how we feel now, and how we need to group think to come to even basic decisions.
But it's not just the US, and it's not just language, but critical thinking in general is under assault. 40 years, no one can even put a man on the moon. Engineers are baffled how it was done. Such low-tech, yet they did it time and time again. Now? All the technological advancements, all the scientific achievements, we can hardly even get a payload into orbit. Devolution, while our computers crank out new stuff that we just don't understand. I'm sure there was a sci-fi book written on it at some point hah.
Webvan's "Decline and Fall of the American Empire"?
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Mike Whiite
Geuzen Inc
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Posted - 2015.07.28 14:25:42 -
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Scipio Artelius wrote:Mike Whiite wrote:okay I'll bite.
In the Netherlands, people are taught, depending on their education level, 3 to 6 foreign languages before attending university. Welcome in the country of merchants
English being the first, starting as early as the age of 10, though the "real Teachers" are TV and Cinema as most programs and movies are subtitled instead of using voice over and then there is the internet of course. I guess he's asking a different question. The Dutch are great with languages (lived in The Hague for 7 years), but he is asking, do you have subjects in School/University that are the equivalent of Dutch 101, Dutch 102, etc. In school, a lot of English as a first language countries have English, which focuses on grammar, composition, literature, etc.; essentially subjects that teach the rules of communicating formally in English, even though you might think that is something natural because it's the first language of the country. CAM is asking whether the same sort of thing exists elsewhere. Do Dutch schools have Nederlands 101 that teaches proper grammar, etc.
Really that sounds so natural it wouldn't have come to mind as a question.
ah well still lots of stuff to learn and yes we do have those classes
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Zimmy Zeta
Lisa Needs Braces.
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Posted - 2015.07.28 15:54:45 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Tippia wrote:What does any of that even mean? I suppose that answers the question GǣnoGǥ, but it's hard to tellGǪ Go easy on her people , it's a genuine question. From my experience generally European non English speakers tend to have a comparable or better understanding of the English language by the time they enter third level education than most native English speakers use on the internet, particularly notable with Scandinavians and Germans. I have a German friend with a better level of English than her Irish boyfriend
Oh hai, non native speaker here
Whenever I read a very poorly written post on the Internet, I wonder if it is a non-native speaker who is simply struggling with the English language or a native speaker too stupid for his own linguistic heritage.
My personal theory is that you can tell them apart by homophone errors : your / you're, it's / its, should have / should of....those errors are only done by native speakers when they just write how they speak. Non-native speakers usually learn it in written form first and speak later, so that kind of errors won't occur. Another thing, not quite sure about it, is the term "no one". Non native speakers (especially Germans) have the tendency to write it as one word ("noone") while native speakers usually write it as two words.
I'd like to apologize for the poor quality of the post above and sincerely hope you didn't waste your time reading it.
Yes, I do feel bad about it.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2015.07.28 16:18:37 -
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Zimmy Zeta wrote:Another thing, not quite sure about it, is the term "no one". Non native speakers (especially Germans) have the tendency to write it as one word ("noone") while native speakers usually write it as two words.
That will vary within English as well. While the OED doesn't always include them, British English has a long history of hyphenating colliding vowels in prefixed and composite word formations, making GÇ£no-oneGÇ¥ a fairly common occurrence (along with co-operate).
My favourite tip is to take us Scandinavians down a peg is to look for agreement errors. We don't really have number as a factor in our verbs, and thus have a tendency to overlook it in other languages as well. Of course, as the complexity of a sentence increases, it also becomes more difficult to keep track of who the subject, but it'll be far more common for those of us who never have to bother with it on an every-day basis.
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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
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Posted - 2015.07.28 16:27:15 -
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Zimmy Zeta wrote:Another thing, not quite sure about it, is the term "no one". Non native speakers (especially Germans) have the tendency to write it as one word ("noone") while native speakers usually write it as two words.
That's probably a carry over from the structure of the German language itself, if I remember correctly German has two words for no one, and they're both one word as opposed to the two used in English.
I could be hideously wrong though, my command of German is extremely rusty as I haven't really used it in 25 years.
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Zimmy Zeta
Lisa Needs Braces.
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Zimmy Zeta wrote:Another thing, not quite sure about it, is the term "no one". Non native speakers (especially Germans) have the tendency to write it as one word ("noone") while native speakers usually write it as two words.
That's probably a carry over from the structure of the German language itself, if I remember correctly German has two words for no one, and they're both one word as opposed to the two used in English. I could be hideously wrong though, my command of German is extremely rusty as I haven't really used it in 25 years. Correct. The corresponding terms in German are both single words: niemand / keiner. Using two words to describe *nothing* sounds illogical for Germans.
@ Tips Cool stuff. I'll have to watch for those errors in the future.
I'd like to apologize for the poor quality of the post above and sincerely hope you didn't waste your time reading it.
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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
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Zimmy Zeta wrote:Correct. The corresponding terms in German are both single words: niemand / keiner. Using two words to describe *nothing* sounds illogical for Germans. lol you're a nation that insists on making up compound words to describe everyday things, just to troll the rest of the world with the pronunciation and whether or not we can say them without taking a breath
Which goes to show that contrary to popular belief, Germans do have a sense of humour
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2015.07.28 17:31:51 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:lol you're a nation that insists on making up compound words to describe everyday things, just to troll the rest of the world with the pronunciation and whether or not we can say them without taking a breath I'd advise you to not try Icelandic of Finnish.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Vortexo VonBrenner
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
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Posted - 2015.07.28 17:32:22 -
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Carrie-Anne Moss wrote: Do you people in france have like French102 where you read French books and write Position Papers and Critical Analysises?
It's not called English 102 right?
Students in France used to have French 102, but for budgetary reasons, something had to go. So, now it's all only English 102.
An example of proper use of French in travrl
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Johnny Saxton
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Posted - 2015.07.28 17:34:55 -
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Zimmy Zeta wrote:Correct. The corresponding terms in German are both single words: niemand / keiner. Using two words to describe *nothing* sounds illogical for Germans. It's not the words, it's the syllables (Ha! Found that word on the internet).
nie-mand / kei-ner
It's like 'no one', if you don't look at the word count. Or maybe it's just a thing for illogical Germans.
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Which goes to show that contrary to popular belief, Germans do have a sense of humour
No, we have not.
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Zimmy Zeta
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Posted - 2015.07.28 17:36:06 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Zimmy Zeta wrote:Correct. The corresponding terms in German are both single words: niemand / keiner. Using two words to describe *nothing* sounds illogical for Germans. lol you're a nation that insists on making up compound words to describe everyday things, just to troll the rest of the world with the pronunciation and whether or not we can say them without taking a breath Which goes to show that contrary to popular belief, Germans do have a sense of humour
Difficulties with pronunciation are often brought up by English speakers, it's actually a point I don't quite understand. Like, the German language is a complete mess- there are so many exceptions to all grammatic rules that it's getting pretty close to actually having no rules at all. A mouthful of anarchy. About the only aspect of German that really has comprehensible rules is the pronunciation, everything else is so much worse....
Also, Germans may have a sense of humour, but I don't think there's a typical German humour- it's mostly adopted from foreign countries (Monty Python was a major influence for my generation at least). Because, you know, a few generations ago, we had a government that did not really like comedians making fun of them, and they were pretty efficient in disposing of all kinds of people they didn't like. Evolution at work here- speak to older Germans (70+ years) and be awe-strucken by their total absence of humour.
I'd like to apologize for the poor quality of the post above and sincerely hope you didn't waste your time reading it.
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Malaclypse Muscaria
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2015.07.28 17:38:47 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Speed Limits - Geschwindigkeitsbeschr+ñnkungen Someone who wears gloves to throw snowballs - Handschuhschneeballwerfer[/i]
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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
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Posted - 2015.07.28 17:46:58 -
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Tippia wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:lol you're a nation that insists on making up compound words to describe everyday things, just to troll the rest of the world with the pronunciation and whether or not we can say them without taking a breath I'd advise you to not try Icelandic of Finnish. I just looked, I saw letters that I have no idea how to use and words like Hyppytyynytyydytys; is it a real Finnish word, does it actually mean bouncy cushion satisfaction, and how the hell do you say it?
Yeah giving that a miss.
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Zimmy Zeta
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Posted - 2015.07.28 17:57:29 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Hyppytyynytyydytys;
I'd like to apologize for the poor quality of the post above and sincerely hope you didn't waste your time reading it.
Yes, I do feel bad about it.
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J+ñk+ñl+ñk+ñp+ñl+ñt
GǪapparentlyGǪ
The advantage of Finnish is that it's usually pronounced exactly how it is spelled.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Jacques d'Orleans
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Zimmy Zeta wrote: Also, Germans may have a sense of humour, but I don't think there's a typical German humour- it's mostly adopted from foreign countries (Monty Python was a major influence for my generation at least).
Monty Python's Flying Circus and Fawlty Towers, i still love those TV Shows.
Zimmy Zeta wrote: Evolution at work here- speak to older Germans (70+ years) and be awe-strucken by their total absence of humour.
I think they have an other kind of humor than we have today, my Grandpa had some good jokes at hand, well, but mostly about the french.
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Jacques d'Orleans wrote:Zimmy Zeta wrote: Evolution at work here- speak to older Germans (70+ years) and be awe-strucken by their total absence of humour.
I think they have an other kind of humor than we have today, my Grandpa had some good jokes at hand, well, but mostly about the french.
Maybe I am a little biased and this is only a thing in my own family. But then again, my mother is about the funniest person alive- not because of her sense of humor, but because of her complete lack thereof. It's like some brain areas missing or they never developed- she makes Spock look like Benny Hill in comparison. In a very meta way, I love it when she tries to tell a joke- and always completely butchers it in the process. It usually goes like this: 1. First the public announcement that she will now tell a joke, just so everybody knows it's not serious. 2. Before even starting, she apologizes for telling the joke 3. She starts with the punchline 4. Now she explains the punchline, just to make sure everyone gets it 5. She apologizes again for the silliness 6. Now comes the setup, also informing everybody that she's not very good at telling jokes. 7. She explains the joke again, just in case anyone didn't understand her explanation the first time 8. Finally, the middle part of the joke. 9. The third and final apology 10. Public announcement that the joke is now over and we're back to serious.
I'd like to apologize for the poor quality of the post above and sincerely hope you didn't waste your time reading it.
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Zimmy Zeta wrote:Jacques d'Orleans wrote:Zimmy Zeta wrote: Evolution at work here- speak to older Germans (70+ years) and be awe-strucken by their total absence of humour.
I think they have an other kind of humor than we have today, my Grandpa had some good jokes at hand, well, but mostly about the french. Maybe I am a little biased and this is only a thing in my own family. But then again, my mother is about the funniest person alive- not because of her sense of humor, but because of her complete lack thereof. It's like some brain areas missing or they never developed- she makes Spock look like Benny Hill in comparison. In a very meta way, I love it when she tries to tell a joke- and always completely butchers it in the process. It usually goes like this: 1. First the public announcement that she will now tell a joke, just so everybody knows it's not serious. 2. Before even starting, she apologizes for telling the joke 3. She starts with the punchline 4. Now she explains the punchline, just to make sure everyone gets it 5. She apologizes again for the silliness 6. Now comes the setup, also informing everybody that she's not very good at telling jokes. 7. She explains the joke again, just in case anyone didn't understand her explanation the first time 8. Finally, the middle part of the joke. 9. The third and final apology 10. Public announcement that the joke is now over and we're back to serious.
Ah, ok, now i get it. My Grandpa was easier in that way, but his politically totally uncorrect jokes were always something like these: What are 30.000 raised hands? The french 2nd Army!
How wide is France? 48 Panzerhours.
Who won the 1940 Tour de France? The 7th Panzerdivision.
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Angels with Artillery
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Jacques d'Orleans wrote:Ah, ok, now i get it. My Grandpa was easier in that way, but his politically totally uncorrect jokes were always something like these: What are 30.000 raised hands? The french 2nd Army! How wide is France? 48 Panzerhours. Who won the 1940 Tour de France? The 7th Panzerdivision. And his jokes about the Italians were even worse.
I liked the last one, but then again, World War 2 jokes about France never gets old =P
I don't trust any event where punching someone isn't an option.
Why don't you move out about 30 km. and stand still for me?
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The Scope Gallente Federation
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Kelleth Kirk wrote:Jacques d'Orleans wrote:Ah, ok, now i get it. My Grandpa was easier in that way, but his politically totally uncorrect jokes were always something like these: What are 30.000 raised hands? The french 2nd Army! How wide is France? 48 Panzerhours. Who won the 1940 Tour de France? The 7th Panzerdivision. And his jokes about the Italians were even worse. I liked the last one, but then again, World War 2 jokes about France never gets old =P
This one's for ya: Why did the french celebrated the win of the 1998 soccer world championship so greatly? Because it was the first time they won something without the help of the USA and the UK.
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Quote: Do you foreign people have english class in college?
No, we learn a foreign language (not limited to English) in elementary school and master it in high school. If you're taking language classes in college here, you either study literature and linguistics or it's already too late for you to learn. |
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I think the, "no one," camp comes from thinking in terms of, "Not a single one."
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Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:I think the, "no one," camp comes from thinking in terms of, "Not a single one." Yeah it does go together as a single word, but "oo" seems problematic. Maybe "o-o"? I use hyphens in other words sometimes, just to be legible, though still not a very good fit here. Nobody, not noone, knew anyone else, in the forum thread where no one was invited to, and where no-one cared. Good explanation here. I speak American
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Elyan Mishi
Jadesoturi.
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Native Finn coming through.
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:I just looked, I saw letters that I have no idea how to use and words like Hyppytyynytyydytys; is it a real Finnish word, does it actually mean bouncy cushion satisfaction, and how the hell do you say it?
Yeah giving that a miss. Hyppytyyny (hyppy - jump, tyyny - pillow) is the thing fire department uses to have people jump to from burning buildings so you don't go splat on the ground. It can also mean, I think, an air filled pillow on top of which you can jump. A toy essentially. The satisfaction part of it (tyydytys) is somewhat questionable though, since I'd assume it refers to satisfaction in a lewd sense.
Tippia wrote:J+ñk+ñl+ñk+ñp+ñl+ñt
GǪapparentlyGǪ
The advantage of Finnish is that it's usually pronounced exactly how it is spelled. J+ñk+ñl+ñk+ñp+ñl+ñt translates to Lichen Paws, or The Lichen Paws in this case since it apparently is a name of cub scouts' group (j+ñk+ñl+ñ - lichen, k+ñp+ñl+ñt - paws / k+ñp+ñl+ñ is the singular).
Also yes, Finnish is usually pronounced exactly the way it is written. The exception to this is, at least the one I can think of right now, is the -ng sound in words such as keng+ñt, s+ñngyt and so forth.
Since Mr. Gravenstein was wondering how to pronounce Hyppytyynytyydytys, I recorded it in vocaroo. Hyppytyynytyydytys Bonus: J+ñk+ñl+ñk+ñp+ñl+ñt |
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Elyan Mishi wrote:Native Finn coming through. See you at the market then?
Aye, Sea Turtles
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Elyan Mishi
Jadesoturi.
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Falken Falcon wrote:Elyan Mishi wrote:Native Finn coming through. See you at the market then? Torilla tavataan. |
Jacques d'Orleans
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:I think the, "no one," camp comes from thinking in terms of, "Not a single one."
I'm German and i always mixed "no one" up with "none", maybe that's the reason too, why "no one" is writen "noone" sometimes.
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Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
2048
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interesting...thanks...
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Orca Platypus
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
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inb4 people fail to detect it, Carrie-Anne Moss is a known idiot and... I dunno, she might try to troll, but just below the marking line which separates trolling from nonsense, deep in the territory of the latter.
Not that I care about a troll or not, there are english classes for students where I live, but they are so incredibly stupid that I'd be surprised if anyone would learn something in them.
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Khergit Deserters
Crom's Angels
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English is a messy language, compared to other languages. I learned that trying to teach it as an EFL teacher. It has a lot of odd grammatical, spelling and pronunciation exceptions that you just have to memorize.
Having a Germanic base, but also a giant load of Latin and medieval French words in it doesn't help with the disorder. So you have the noun house (Germanic), but the corresponding adjective is domestic (Latin). You have the noun woman(Germanic), but the adjectives female and feminine (French). Then again, there's the adjective womanly (Germanic), which doesn't have the same meaning as feminine. According to linguists, the big choice of similar-meaning words from different languages makes English one of the most expressive languages in the world. But the mashup also kind of makes the grammar and spelling a mess.
A study, published in 1973, offered this breakdown of sources of the words in English: Latin, 28.34 percent; French, 28.3 percent; Old and Middle English, Old Norse, and Dutch, 25 percent; Greek 5.32 percent; no etymology given, 4.03 percent; derived from proper names, 3.28 percent; all other languages, less than 1 percent.
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All Kill No Skill
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Khergit Deserters wrote: Then again, there's the adjective womanly (Germanic), which doesn't have the same meaning as feminine. I don't think I've ever used the word "womanly" in a sentence before. Let me google that: definition ... definition.. definition... definition... usage. Ok first page with an actual usage. "The Womanly Art of Breastfeeding - Amazon.com"
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Webvan wrote:Khergit Deserters wrote: Then again, there's the adjective womanly (Germanic), which doesn't have the same meaning as feminine. I don't think I've ever used the word "womanly" in a sentence before. Let me google that: definition ... definition.. definition... definition... usage. Ok first page with an actual usage. "The Womanly Art of Breastfeeding - Amazon.com" ...... uuuuh-k... 'Her thin silk tunic fully revealed the curves of her womanly form." - Robert E. Howard, Conan story from 1930s, published in Weird Tales.* Some other examples: child, children, juvenile, childish, and child-like, juvie detention, kindergarten, filial, kids, young, adolescent, baby, infant. Each one either proto-English or medieval French. Or worked into old English via Norman Invasion French, or church/science research leet Latin.
*Man, those stories are so bad and so good at the same time. The good stuff in the stories pretty much completely erase the brief weak spots. I'm re-reading the whole series, but it takes some time to collect the old paperbacks. How did that guy in back end of Cowshite, Texas in 1930 imagine that stuff? Unexplainable.
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Webvan
All Kill No Skill
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Khergit Deserters wrote:1930s The key there, 1930's. And likely the person was born in the 1800's. English seems to always be evolving or changing, at least how it is spoken in any modern form, which also can vary. But those words that do fall away from common usage, well they sometimes do find greater use in poetry or in the titles of books. A literary example of English words that have become uncommon in our era.
I'm in it for the money
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Zimmy Zeta
Lisa Needs Braces.
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English is a living language, and that should scare you. It means that today's typos will be tomorrow's grammar. With the continuing abuse and bastardization English gets over the Internet, I am fully expecting it to become a mere collection of leetspeak, emoticons and dank memes within a few decades...
The Queen is silently weeping...
I'd like to apologize for the poor quality of the post above and sincerely hope you didn't waste your time reading it.
Yes, I do feel bad about it.
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Webvan
All Kill No Skill
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Zimmy Zeta wrote:English is a living language, and that should scare you. It means that today's typos will be tomorrow's grammar. With the continuing abuse and bastardization English gets over the Internet, I am fully expecting it to become a mere collection of leetspeak, emoticons and dank memes within a few decades... The Queen is silently weeping... Ooh yeah, no Queens English here American English of the Western US. Seriously, I have a very hard time understanding BBC sometimes. It's just not... cowboy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_English
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Khergit Deserters
Crom's Angels
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Webvan wrote:Khergit Deserters wrote:1930s The key there, 1930's. And likely the person was born in the 1800's. English seems to always be evolving or changing, at least how it is spoken in any modern form, which also can vary. But those words that do fall away from common usage, well they sometimes do find greater use in poetry or in the titles of books. A literary example of English words that have become uncommon in our era. That list is a great resource of Renaissance festival vendors, actors, and staff. I had to man a booth at one once, and had a hard time dealing with all of the "anon"s and "forsooth"s.
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Webvan
All Kill No Skill
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Khergit Deserters wrote:That list is a great resource of Renaissance festival vendors, actors, and staff. I had to man a booth at one once, and had a hard time dealing with all of the "anon"s and "forsooth"s. Aye, oft times yonder booby simply needeth a leech to befall those occasions so to redress a puissant plash
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Khergit Deserters wrote:English is a messy language, compared to other languages. I learned that trying to teach it as an EFL teacher. It has a lot of odd grammatical, spelling and pronunciation exceptions that you just have to memorize.
Having a Germanic base, but also a giant load of Latin and medieval French words in it doesn't help with the disorder. So you have the noun house (Germanic), but the corresponding adjective is domestic (Latin). You have the noun woman(Germanic), but the adjectives female and feminine (French). Then again, there's the adjective womanly (Germanic), which doesn't have the same meaning as feminine. According to linguists, the big choice of similar-meaning words from different languages makes English one of the most expressive languages in the world. But the mashup also kind of makes the grammar and spelling a mess. Not that having a single language root necessarily makes things easier.
Swedish is a Germanic language through and through, 17thGÇô19th century French fashions aside, and as mentioned earlier, it simply skips over some grammatical details that are present in other languages (like number in verb conjugation). The evil part is that it still tries to retain a large differentiation of meaning, and rather than use spelling and word forms to convey those differences it uses stress, melody, and umpty-eleven accents that are not spelled out and that only vaguely follow any kind of rule system. You just have to intuitively know the difference.
Going back to the original question of the OP, these are things that native speakers don't really consider all that often GÇö they gain the intuition through their normal language learning (and still get it wrong with some frequency). We all learn about our 8 vowels (including the 3 umlauted ones GÇö +Ñ, +ñ, and +¦), but we're not really formally taught about how all of those 8 have 18 different (meaning-bearing) pronunciations.-¦
The classic exampel is how GÇ£tomtenGÇ¥ (the gnome/Santa) is not the same word as GÇ£tomtenGÇ¥ (the back yard). Had it been a nice and gentle language like, say, French, the difference would have been obvious since they would have been spelled GÇ£t+¦mt+¿nGÇ¥ and GÇ£t+¦mtenGÇ¥, respectively. Similarly, GÇ£bananGÇ¥ (banana) is obviously a different word than GÇ£bananGÇ¥ (the race track) GÇö hell, one is indefinite, the other is definite GÇö again, spelling out the accents that would make this apparent (b+ín+ún vs. b+ún+án).
This is where we Swedes get our characteristic sing-song English accent from: the difference in not just stress and length, but rising and falling tone of vowels carries morphological meaning. In exchange, Swedish has pretty much zero concern for voiced and unvoiced consonants so no-one ever manages to make GÇ£iceGÇ¥ sound any different from GÇ£eyesGÇ¥ GÇö it's all unvoiced hissing around here.
-¦ Coincidentally, the fact that those three umlauted vowels are considered separate letters makes it really confusing when certain countries try to use them to make cool-looking he+ñvy m+½tal b+Ñnd nam+½sGǪ Sometimes, you get some really funny false friend errors that way.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Zimmy Zeta
Lisa Needs Braces.
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Whoa. ITT: Dank linguistics.
Webvan wrote:Khergit Deserters wrote:1930s The key there, 1930's. And likely the person was born in the 1800's. English seems to always be evolving or changing, at least how it is spoken in any modern form, which also can vary. But those words that do fall away from common usage, well they sometimes do find greater use in poetry or in the titles of books. A literary example of English words that have become uncommon in our era.
I am a little surprised that I knew about 30-40% of the words on the list, with some of them I didn't even know that they are considered obsolete by now. Maybe it's because my English teacher at school was an old Welshman...
I'd like to apologize for the poor quality of the post above and sincerely hope you didn't waste your time reading it.
Yes, I do feel bad about it.
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Khergit Deserters
Crom's Angels
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Zimmy Zeta wrote:English is a living language, and that should scare you. It means that today's typos will be tomorrow's grammar. With the continuing abuse and bastardization English gets over the Internet, I am fully expecting it to become a mere collection of leetspeak, emoticons and dank memes within a few decades... The Queen is silently weeping... Yes, sad to think about, but the ignorance (lack of knowledge) steamroller seems to be getting bigger and heavier every day. I sort of understand the confusion with there, their and they're. But I can't understand the strange and growing misuse of capital letters. Example: "On Friday we will be cleaning out the Refrigerator in the break room and defrosting the Freezer. Please remove any food you have there. Any unclaimed food' will be thrown away. Also as a friendly reminder, if you will attend the company Picnic, you must reply by August 14." Why were some nouns chosen to be capitalized, and some not? The reasoning behind it is baffling. It makes me fearful about the reasoning power of the minds behind those sentences. (The people writing them are all managerial/admin types with plenty of corporate world survival and advancement common sense, by the way).
Interesting about Swedish language's use of intonation and pronunciation to convey singular/plural and differentiate between words that would look like homonyms, if spelled out. Japanese language hardly has a syntax for conveying that something is plural. There's a suffix that can be tacked on, but it's used mostly in written language. If the people are communicating orally, they just pick up clues from the context of what's being said. That's enough.
At the other extreme is the language of Yap, a tiny island in the western Pacific. There are singular, dual, and plural tenses. And differentiations, depending on whether the listener is included in the dual/plural group. Examples: "I am going to go now." Ngu gu wan. "We (you and I) are going to go now." Darow. "We (myself and this guy, but not you) are going to go now." Ngwarow. (Shortened form of Ngu gu warow). "We (everybody present, three or more) are going to go now." Darod. "We (three or more of us, but not you) are going to go now." Ngwarod. (Shortened form of Ngu gu warod).
Languages are so cool. Amazing how many different techniques humans around the world developed to convey ideas to each other.
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Elyan Mishi
Jadesoturi.
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Khergit Deserters wrote: But I can't understand the strange and growing misuse of capital letters. Example: "On Friday we will be cleaning out the Refrigerator in the break room and defrosting the Freezer. Please remove any food you have there. Any unclaimed food' will be thrown away. Also as a friendly reminder, if you will attend the company Picnic, you must reply by August 14." Why were some nouns chosen to be capitalized, and some not? The reasoning behind it is baffling. It makes me fearful about the reasoning power of the minds behind those sentences. (The people writing them are all managerial/admin types with plenty of corporate world survival and advancement common sense, by the way).
I presume that some people don't read everything thoroughly and capitalized letters mark the words as important and thus, possibly, warrant a more thorough reading. I don't really know though. |
jason hill
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Nana Skalski
Poseidaon
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You english people have been raided so many times in history. I assume french, germanic and latin amalgamation must suffice for now, until you amalgamate hindi and slavic too.
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Jenshae Chiroptera
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Khergit Deserters wrote:[i]A study, published in 1973, offered this breakdown of sources of the words in English: Latin, 28.34 percent; This is wildly disputed, one thing is that a lot of German (from trade not conquest) and French has Latin roots so some argue that 60% of English is from Latin. The more recent event is the Anglo-Saxons and the Normandy invasion, there was a low class and an upper class language, the plebs speaking mostly their Germanic tongue and the ruling Normans their French. It is why English tends to have two words for many meanings now (incomplete).
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Jenshae Chiroptera
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In my early teens, I somehow picked up a very archaic vocabulary, such that many around me would not always understand what I was talking about. I was unaware of it until my best friend of the time kept tripping me up, correcting old / less used words with the more modern ones.
Language is used to control the way we think now. It is why there is so much pressure to use such things as, "Post Traumatic Stress Disorder" instead of the more impacting word on a mind, "Shell Shocked" Less common sense and practicality, makes people more dependant on the governent and less inclined to independant action, (such as rebellions, crime or weeding out corruption) If you have to think a certain way to speak a certain way, those neural pathways grow stronger. It is one method of cognitive behavior therapy / manipulation.
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Vortexo VonBrenner
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
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I think I see what you are saying, but "Post Traumatic Stress Disorder" is a much more flexible and descriptive term than "Shell Shock". "Shell" kind of limits the term to a military-related problem. Certainly for most people who struggle with PTSD it is related to military things - but not in all cases, such as certain r@pe victims. So I think with that term the evolution of language is well.
Anyway...I'm just amazed those weerd foreign people like know about electricity and stuff. lol
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Jacques d'Orleans
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Jenshae Chiroptera wrote: Language is used to control the way we think now. It is why there is so much pressure to use such things as, "Post Traumatic Stress Disorder" instead of the more impacting word on a mind, "Shell Shocked"
Don't get me wrong, I'm getting what your point is, but in case of Post Traumatic Stress Disorder and shell shock, you just picked a bad example. Shell shock is just a variety of PTSD, there are other symptoms for PTSD like "the 1000 yard stare", " Soldiers heart", "Combat fatigue", "Combat stress reaction" and so on. PTSD is in medical terms way more precise than shell shock. Victims of e.g. severe accidents, terrorist attacks or sexual abuse can also develop symptoms of PTSD exactly like combat soldiers, but both groups do not necessarily develop symptoms of shell shock. PTSD covers way more symptoms than shell shock, like extreme nightmares, drug and alcohol abuse related to suffered traumatic events, severe insomnia and many more. Also PTSD if not treated properly it can develop into psychopathy and other disorders. My boss, da missus, could give you a way better explanation than me, she works with patients requiring such treatment.
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Jacques d'Orleans
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Vortexo VonBrenner wrote: Anyway...I'm just amazed those weerd foreign people like know about electricity and stuff. lol
Mate, i tell you, yesterday we invented fire and such a round thingy, we called it a wheel! We were so happy we decided to eat Grandma!
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Jenshae Chiroptera
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Posted - 2015.08.05 00:48:17 -
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I thought PTSD, while not the best of examples is less inflammatory than other politically corret words were are conditioned to use.
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There are other ways to fix Null Sec stagnation and Fozzie SOV is the wrong approach.
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Webvan
All Kill No Skill
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Posted - 2015.08.05 03:06:17 -
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Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:I thought PTSD, while not the best of examples is less inflammatory than other politically corret words were are conditioned to use. George Carlin may be funny mmm but that's about it. PTSD has been defined in clinical psychology since 1980. They didn't just rename it, but better defined what it is, as they figured it out anyway. For science! Other things, sure, but the clinical diagnosis of PTSD is pretty accurate and the name fits. I wouldn't even list it as an example. Not even as a 'non-traditional success'...
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jason hill
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.08.05 19:19:29 -
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Nana Skalski wrote:You english people have been raided so many times in history. I assume french, germanic and latin amalgamation must suffice for now, until you amalgamate hindi and slavic too.
you obviously dont know your history then ! we haven't been "raided" in over a THOUSAND YEARS |
Nana Skalski
Poseidaon
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Posted - 2015.08.06 08:44:41 -
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jason hill wrote:Nana Skalski wrote:You english people have been raided so many times in history. I assume french, germanic and latin amalgamation must suffice for now, until you amalgamate hindi and slavic too. you obviously dont know your history then ! we haven't been "raided" in over a THOUSAND YEARS
Keep telling that to yourself while tunnels under the channel are stormed.
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jason hill
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
811
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Posted - 2015.08.06 17:40:16 -
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and we know who to blame for this don't we ... bloody cheese eating surrender monkey`s |
Jill Xelitras
Xeltec services
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Posted - 2015.08.08 17:21:26 -
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Mike Whiite wrote:okay I'll bite.
In the Netherlands, people are taught, depending on their education level, 3 to 6 foreign languages before attending university. Welcome in the country of merchants
English being the first, starting as early as the age of 10, though the "real Teachers" are TV and Cinema as most programs and movies are subtitled instead of using voice over and then there is the internet of course.
Thanks to you Dutchies, we from the Grand-Duchy of Luxembourg also get american / english movies in the original version with subtitles. I also agree that this is very helpful in learning english.
We too have a minimum of 3 foreign languages (German, French and English). Welcome to the country of international banking and tax ev...advice. (Hey, at least WE did not manipulate the LIBOR)
Also, can someone explain what this thread is about?-á (Relax ! I'm just quoting Holgrak Blacksmith here.)
When life gives you lemons, swap letters and poof: melons, solemn melons.
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Alice Stenmark
Global Trust Cooperative
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Posted - 2015.08.09 03:50:52 -
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Carrie-Anne Moss wrote:Im in English 102 in summer college class.
Do you people in france have like French102 where you read French books and write Position Papers and Critical Analysises?
It's not called English 102 right?
I only ask here in GD cuz i dont associate with foreign people much except in eve and know that a lot of people in here in General Discussion are from other countries.
Thanks
Yes. I took 4 English classes in college (which is required for everybody here)
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Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
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Posted - 2015.08.12 18:04:33 -
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Khergit Deserters wrote:English is a messy language, compared to other languages. I learned that trying to teach it as an EFL teacher. It has a lot of odd grammatical, spelling and pronunciation exceptions that you just have to memorize.
Having a Germanic base, but also a giant load of Latin and medieval French words in it doesn't help with the disorder. So you have the noun house (Germanic), but the corresponding adjective is domestic (Latin). You have the noun woman(Germanic), but the adjectives female and feminine (French). Then again, there's the adjective womanly (Germanic), which doesn't have the same meaning as feminine. According to linguists, the big choice of similar-meaning words from different languages makes English one of the most expressive languages in the world. But the mashup also kind of makes the grammar and spelling a mess.
A study, published in 1973, offered this breakdown of sources of the words in English: Latin, 28.34 percent; French, 28.3 percent; Old and Middle English, Old Norse, and Dutch, 25 percent; Greek 5.32 percent; no etymology given, 4.03 percent; derived from proper names, 3.28 percent; all other languages, less than 1 percent.
As an EFL teacher myself, I have found that these sorts of inconsistencies and bizarre factoids resolve themselves if you don't delve into them too deeply. As an interesting discussion point, they are certainly there to be talked about: however, if you subscribe to the theory of 'chunking' and lexical categorisation, English suddenly becomes a lot more accessible.
For example, unlike in the wonderful textbooks that we use where each unit has a particular target language point to be learnt and practised, it is quite clear that the real world doesn't work like that. When did you ever hear a conversation almost exclusively conducted using the past continuous, for instance? If you approach learning (and teaching) English as more of a categorical sport - functional chunks of language, in other words - it's a lot more straightforward and learners can usually make the connections between topics themselves.
I should also let it be known that I additionally subscribe to the Dogme model of teaching, so take what I say with a ton of salt
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Vortexo VonBrenner
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
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Posted - 2015.08.12 18:21:04 -
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Alice Stenmark wrote:
Yes. I took 4 English courses in college, which is required for everybody here. Also, most of the courses here are taught in English.
UK doesn't, like, count...yo
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Zimmy Zeta
Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo
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Posted - 2015.08.12 19:02:34 -
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Vortexo VonBrenner wrote:Alice Stenmark wrote:
Yes. I took 4 English courses in college, which is required for everybody here. Also, most of the courses here are taught in English.
UK doesn't, like, count...yo
According to what I have learned from Tippia in this thread, this is a clear pointer that Alice Stenmark is a Scandinavian.
Dang, I actually learned something from the EVE forums...that's really weird...
I'd like to apologize for the poor quality of the post above and sincerely hope you didn't waste your time reading it.
Yes, I do feel bad about it.
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Vortexo VonBrenner
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
2083
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Posted - 2015.08.12 19:48:14 -
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Zimmy Zeta wrote: Dang, I actually learned something from the EVE forums...
WHAAAT!!? UNACCEPTABLE!! Choke yourself.
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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
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Posted - 2015.08.12 20:45:37 -
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Quote:Do you foreign people have english class in college? To most of the world, it's actually you that's the foriegn person.
Just sayin'.
Mr Epeen
There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass!
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Jenshae Chiroptera
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Posted - 2015.08.14 01:33:08 -
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jason hill wrote:and we know who to blame for this don't we ... bloody cheese eating surrender monkey`s The surrender monkey that trampled the world until the World Wars? The surrender monkeys who had a resistance, a guerrilla war even when they lost? Those surrender monkeys?
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There are other ways to fix Null Sec stagnation and Fozzie SOV is the wrong approach.
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