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Taram Caldar Caldari Acheron Vanguard Armada The Shadow Ascension	Posted - 2006.12.03 21:43:00 - [31] Originally by: WaiLong Wang No one expected an overnight fix but these problems have been around for at least 2 months and that was back when CCP finally made the announcement that they broke 30k players. Since then it has not increased by much player wise, yet with the slight increase in "nodes" ive only seen a slight improvement. Keep testing your clients patience and you wont have to fix the lag problem. It will resolve itself when people have finally had enough and start leaving. Dude give it a rest. Lag has been an issue since EVE started getting over 15k players online at a time. They are constantly making changes. Is there lag? yes Is it annoying? Yes Do you have a valid complaint? Yes, in a general way. But your attitude is flat wrong. They ARE working on it. Read every patch note for the past year and you'll see that they HAVE been working on rectifying the lag and anyone on these boards will tell you that lag is MUCH less of a problem now than it was a year ago. It got a lot better after Revelations and I expect that after Tuesday it'll get even better with the removal of all the crazy bookmarks in the DB. Give it time. This isn't something that can be fixed overnight nor ever really TRUELY completely fixed. All they can do is hope to get it as minimized as possible because the game is GROWING. As long as the game is doubling population every year they're going to have a hard time keeping up with the demands on the system.
boumer	Posted - 2006.12.03 21:45:00 - [32] im currently in 0.0 with 20 in local, and its simply unplayable same old story, lag 4tl.......again
Burnhard Brutor	Posted - 2006.12.03 21:49:00 - [33] Originally by: ollobrains ill take youre stuff off u before u leave Wow, you are a dumbass, aren't you? The problem isn't that there are 30k players, it's that the model CCP have coded this thing with has a certain granularity with respect to processors and has problems load balancing. It must be this, because the number of times I've read CCP marketing bragging about the hard-on their cluster gets it can't be anything else. And jeez, they've been working on the lag since beta, honestly. It's getting worse not better. The only difference is they've managed to spread the lag around a little, so it doesn't just happen in a few systems, it happens all over the place.
Stitcher Caldari J.I.T. Enterprises Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2006.12.03 21:50:00 - [34] Edited by: Stitcher on 03/12/2006 21:53:46 Edited by: Stitcher on 03/12/2006 21:52:48 EVE is the largest single-shard online game in the world. We hold the world Peak Concurrent User record. We have, in our time, crammed more than thirty thousand people onto a single game server. In short, no other company in videogame history has EVER faced the same challenges that CCP put up with on a daily basis in maintaining and running Tranquility. This is uncharted territory, and frankly, the fact that they're able to keep it running at all, let alone smoothly, speaks volumes for their talent and dedication. Especially when you factor in a regular and extensive update schedule. Consider now that there's a patch release on Tuesday. Perhaps this will help towards compensating for the server load in your own somewhat crowded corner of the game? I suggest patience. If patience doesn't work, I suggest moving to a different system, loyalty points be damned. If that doesn't work, or you can't work up the effort, then I suggest you go find a game more suited to your tastes. Bluntness mode deactivated. Sarcasm mode activiated. Failing all three of those, perhaps you would be kind enough to actually provide a SOLUTION, as opposed to an infinite supply of complaints? ____________________________________________________________ MAY CONTAIN NUTS.
Araxmas Caldari Imperial Space Corporation	Posted - 2006.12.03 21:58:00 - [35] I can honestly say that i experiance lag in very very rare instances (well except jita, and even jita lag is just about a 12 second wait to undock so isnt much). --------
Siigari Kitawa Gallente HelpCorp United Eden's Fire	Posted - 2006.12.03 22:00:00 - [36] Originally by: WaiLong Wang I am running a custom build machine that is certaintly capable of running multiple eve clients w/o drops in framerates. I never quote the OP, but this sounds like a macrowhiner.
Stitcher Caldari J.I.T. Enterprises Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2006.12.03 22:02:00 - [37] Originally by: Siigari Kitawa Originally by: WaiLong Wang I am running a custom build machine that is certaintly capable of running multiple eve clients w/o drops in framerates. I never quote the OP, but this sounds like a macrowhiner. I think you just invented one of my new favourite words ____________________________________________________________ MAY CONTAIN NUTS.
Kiyano	Posted - 2006.12.03 22:04:00 - [38] Originally by: Siigari Kitawa Originally by: WaiLong Wang I am running a custom build machine that is certaintly capable of running multiple eve clients w/o drops in framerates. I never quote the OP, but this sounds like a macrowhiner. Lol i love that term Macrowhiner xD
Maya Rkell Forsaken Empire	Posted - 2006.12.03 22:16:00 - [39] Originally by: Haffrage WHY DO YOU DO NOTHING TO EDUCATE YOURSELF AND READ PATCH NOTES/DEVBLOGS? Give me another MMO with over 30K people on one server and then come back and complain about THEIR lag. kthx. Excuses. Pure excuses. This has been ongoing for a very long time. And now I, too, have died to a queue in 0.0. It's undetectable, unpredictable and unavoidable. This is NOT fun - how can you PvP when the server will randomly decide you can't jump?! Taram Caldar, I am a paying customer and what is being delivered is materially NOT what is offered. This is called "deceptive advertising" in other areas. THat they are "working" on it means nothing; this system which was "never intended to be on TQ" - not that it has stopped them USING it - breaks the game. It is worse now than ever. The EVIDENCE is that this will get worse and worse. Siigari Kitawa, so running multiple accounts for alt scouts is now macromining? Interesting... //Maya
Dragerest Omega Enterprises Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.12.03 22:17:00 - [40] i'm deep in 0.0 and have alot of lag. so it's not jita. For your tech 2 needs www.evetrust.com

Kwint Miner	Posted - 2006.12.03 22:23:00 - [41] In the four months I've been playing this is the worst sustained lag I've experienced. Forget running missions, I can't even transport items. Docking takes 10 minutes and for the record the closest I've gotten to Jita all day is 8 jumps. This level and extent of lag makes the game unplayable.
MissileRus	Posted - 2006.12.03 22:26:00 - [42] wasnt there almost a new record of users online a couple of mins ago? might explain the lag.. i lag less then i did before revelations so have no idea why so many others lag.. havent been to Jita though and probably will never go there --------------------------- 4. i like pizza
JA RULER Caldari Hunters Agency Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.12.03 22:26:00 - [43] The lag has been around a lot longer than 2 months. more like 15 months i would say. and yes its getting very old real fast. just yesterday i lost 9 mil due to lag when putting up a sell order for a really cheap item and wanted to sell it inder the best offer but lag happened and did not update my sel with a decimal that i tyed so for 1.3 mil worth of Omber i paid over 9 mil in a broker fee that CCP wont refuns due to they have no way to track actual lag. Its getting to be a joke!!!! but its costing us more than it should.
Caedicus Minmatar Einherjar Rising Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.12.03 22:27:00 - [44] I haven't experienced much lag at all lately. In fact, I'm playing right now everything is responding quite well. You guys must have crappy connections.
Maya Rkell Forsaken Empire	Posted - 2006.12.03 22:28:00 - [45] Edited by: Maya Rkell on 03/12/2006 22:28:11 Originally by: MissileRus wasnt there almost a new record of users online a couple of mins ago? might explain the lag.. i lag less then i did before revelations so have no idea why so many others lag.. havent been to Jita though and probably will never go there Again, there are queues in DEEP 0.0. These are gasp NOT Jita. And if the server can't take the users, CCP needs to deal with that, not talk about the records. No, Caedicus, you are simply trolling - a queue is a PURE SERVER SIDE issue. //Maya
Kryss Darkdust	Posted - 2006.12.03 23:28:00 - [46] Originally by: WaiLong Wang If some of you have noticed the massive amount of lag lately, it is getting a little old. I have played other MMO's and this has the worst lag of any, especially between the days of Monday through Sunday (hehe). In all seriousness where does everyone's monthly fee go towards? I can tell you right now it isnt going towards increasing the amount of bandwidth between the players and the game. I am sick of tired of this horrid lag almost everywhere I go and am getting fed up with it. Long queues, reloading issues, stupid drones, problems with loot showing up in wrecks long after you have opened it to mention a few. In case you are wondering, I am running a custom build machine that is certaintly capable of running multiple eve clients w/o drops in framerates. The problem is also not related to my server connection which preforms amazingly, except when I try to run eve. So CCP, please do something about this soon. You have a huge problem affecting your customers and as a business I would hope you have the sense to start correcting this problem, thank you. Well you start out by mentioning lag as the problem, but list a few other issues. I think I have to disagree with you on the lag issue, from where I'm standing this is the first MMO which has almost no lag at all. I think in the last year of playing this game I have experianced unaccetable levels of lag about 3-4 times, tonight definitly being one of them. I'm not sure why you are experiance so much lag, but I know people that play this game on dial up and have no more or less lag then I do. As for the other issues you mentioned.. I hear you on those. There are definitly some issues in the game, but all and all I personaly see this as one of the best games in both concept and execution I've ever played, offline, online, including consoles and all the classics. I've been playing this game for a year and I'm more excited to play it today then I was six months ago. Not trying to be too much of a fan boy but I can't seem to shake the Eve bug. Are you are gamer? www.playhardliveeasy.blogspot.com
dantes inferno Caldari Rampage Eternal Ka-Tet	Posted - 2006.12.03 23:30:00 - [47] for those whining i have the ultimate solution for you: cancel you subscription.. if all of you do this it will be a win/win situation as a) you will no longer be paying for a "inferior" product b) less players on = less lag for the rest of us c) we no longer have to put up with your insistent complaing and crying. see its all good. RAM is recruiting
gordon cain Minmatar Omega Enterprises	Posted - 2006.12.03 23:35:00 - [48] Originally by: dantes inferno for those whining i have the ultimate solution for you: cancel you subscription.. if all of you do this it will be a win/win situation as a) you will no longer be paying for a "inferior" product b) less players on = less lag for the rest of us c) we no longer have to put up with your insistent complaing and crying. see its all good. Hell, I would cancel my account just to get clear of you. On the other hand I could just stay here just to annoy you. Why dont you comment on this lag issue or go throll in some other threads. Gordon Cain
Bloody Slave	Posted - 2006.12.03 23:37:00 - [49] Man, you have courage... put it in capital letters... Be ready to have a lot of that "fanbois" coming and saying: 1 - Stop winning your ******, if you don't like the game, quit... blah blah blah... 2 - If you quit, can I have your stuff? Blah blah blah... 3 - Leave Jita blah blah blah... 4 - They are working on it rigth now, so stop complaining and go do some other RL stuff, watch TV, blah blah blah... 5 - I'm tired of these winning threads, dunno why I read them, it's just a waste of blah blah blah... 6 - What are you talking about? I have no lag in the system I am blah blah blah... 7 - I will wardec your Corp so, you will stop acting like a blah blah blah... Well there are several other rant, griefing, flaming, etc that you will read here and, I bet, they will not be deleted or even warned about not folowing the forum rules, guess why... So, yeah, it was not fixed before Kali/Revelations, the new servers didn't helped nothing, proving was not a hardware problem, but still we can't read some patch notes about the adressing of these CRITICAL ISSUES (sry the caps ) so, more time with this, well, there are options for some of us that are stressing and not having fun with the game for quite some time... Hope some adressing and warning about it to the players, and don't bother with the "fanbois" they are many here in the forum, but not in the game playerbase
dantes inferno Caldari Rampage Eternal Ka-Tet	Posted - 2006.12.03 23:44:00 - [50] Quote: Hell, I would cancel my account just to get clear of you. On the other hand I could just stay here just to annoy you. Why dont you comment on this lag issue or go throll in some other threads. if thats how small and petty you are go for it, ill be chucling at the fact your paying ú10 a month for a game which annoyes you in the hope of annoying me when i dont give a damn :D Quote: Man, you have courage... put it in capital letters... Be ready to have a lot of that "fanbois" coming and saying: 1 - Stop winning your ****, if you don't like the game, quit... blah blah blah... 2 - If you quit, can I have your stuff? Blah blah blah... 3 - Leave Jita blah blah blah... 4 - They are working on it rigth now, so stop complaining and go do some other RL stuff, watch TV, blah blah blah... 5 - I'm tired of these winning threads, dunno why I read them, it's just a waste of blah blah blah... 6 - What are you talking about? I have no lag in the system I am blah blah blah... 7 - I will wardec your Corp so, you will stop acting like a blah blah blah... Well there are several other rant, griefing, flaming, etc that you will read here and, I bet, they will not be deleted or even warned about not folowing the forum rules, guess why... mainly these replies come because people get fed up of the thousand cry baby threads in the forum which shockingly dont fix anything. just become some random brainles dork comes along with a thread "OMG SWITCH OF THE LAG CCP!!!11111!!!!111" will not finaly make ccp decide to turn on the magic no lag switch. if the fix was easy to do..dont you think they would of by now? Quote: So, yeah, it was not fixed before Kali/Revelations, the new servers didn't helped nothing, proving was not a hardware problem, but still we can't read some patch notes about the adressing of these CRITICAL ISSUES (sry the caps ) so, more time with this, well, there are options for some of us that are stressing and not having fun with the game for quite some time... new servers did in fact help with the problem, but as these fixes come in the player numbers increase so it appears nothing is happening..if 32k players had tried to play the game pre upgrades the servers would be a pool of molten plastic by now. Quote:** Hope some adressing and warning about it to the players, and don't bother with the "fanbois" they are many here in the forum, but not in the game playerbase just because someone hate whinners does not make them a fanboi...ccp have a lot of faults, not trying to fix the lag is not one of them RAM is recruiting

Maya Rkell Forsaken Empire	Posted - 2006.12.03 23:46:00 - [51] Originally by: dantes inferno for those whining i have the ultimate solution for you: cancel you subscription.. if all of you do this it will be a win/win situation as a) you will no longer be paying for a "inferior" product b) less players on = less lag for the rest of us c) we no longer have to put up with your insistent complaing and crying. see its all good. You first. Intentions do not matter, only results. //Maya
dantes inferno Caldari Rampage Eternal Ka-Tet	Posted - 2006.12.03 23:49:00 - [52] Quote: You first. Intentions do not matter, only results. //Maya why would i? im happy with the game as it is, it is people like you who are constantly complaining...if i was as unhappy as you lot appear to be i would...but im not RAM is recruiting
Bloody Slave	Posted - 2006.12.03 23:58:00 - [53] Originally by: dantes inferno Quote: Hell, I would cancel my account just to get clear of you. On the other hand I could just stay here just to annoy you. Why dont you comment on this lag issue or go throll in some other threads. if thats how small and petty you are go for it, ill be chucling at the fact your paying ú10 a month for a game which annoyes you in the hope of annoying me when i dont give a damn :D Quote: Man, you have courage... put it in capital letters... Be ready to have a lot of that "fanbois" coming and saying: 1 - Stop winning your ****, if you don't like the game, quit... blah blah blah... 2 - If you quit, can I have your stuff? Blah blah blah... 3 - Leave Jita blah blah blah... 4 - They are working on it rigth now, so stop complaining and go do some other RL stuff, watch TV, blah blah blah... 5 - I'm tired of these winning threads, dunno why I read them, it's just a waste of blah blah blah... 6 - What are you talking about? I have no lag in the system I am blah blah blah... 7 - I will wardec your Corp so, you will stop acting like a blah blah blah... Well there are several other rant, griefing, flaming, etc that you will read here and, I bet, they will not be deleted or even warned about not folowing the forum rules, guess why... mainly these replies come because people get fed up of the thousand cry baby threads in the forum which shockingly dont fix anything. just become some random brainles dork comes along with a thread "OMG SWITCH OF THE LAG CCP!!!11111!!!!111" will not finaly make ccp decide to turn on the magic no lag switch. if the fix was easy to do..dont you think they would of by now? Quote: So, yeah, it was not fixed before Kali/Revelations, the new servers didn't helped nothing, proving was not a hardware problem, but still we can't read some patch notes about the adressing of these CRITICAL ISSUES (sry the caps ) so, more time with this, well, there are options for some of us that are stressing and not having fun with the game for quite some time... new servers did in fact help with the problem, but as these fixes come in the player numbers increase so it appears nothing is happening..if 32k players had tried to play the game pre upgrades the servers would be a pool of molten plastic by now. Quote: Hope some adressing and warning about it to the players, and don't bother with the "fanbois" they are many here in the forum, but not in the game playerbase just because someone hate whinners does not make them a fanboi...ccp have a lot of faults, not trying to fix the lag is not one of them Gwahahahahahahahaha... LOL LMAO ROFL and others I bet you were not playing and know nothing about the night when CCP reached 30K players, something like 3 months ago, and was before Dragon and BEFORE** the other new servers, ransam, etc... Please, keep in mind I'm not talking about the servers that were bought in Feb 2006... Well, in fact, I will not bother with your opinions cuz I'm pretty sure they are not the same as CCP team: That "quit" and "less players less lag for us the rest" is not the goal of CCP...
Taaketa Frist The Praxis Initiative Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.12.04 00:08:00 - [54] Originally by: dantes inferno for those whining i have the ultimate solution for you: cancel you subscription.. if all of you do this it will be a win/win situation as a) you will no longer be paying for a "inferior" product b) less players on = less lag for the rest of us c) we no longer have to put up with your insistent complaing and crying. see its all good. I approve of this post and its content. You do not like the service, do not pay for it. I for one am very pleased with the latest expansion to EVE and believe the lag issues have much improved since the new hardware (Which by the looks of things, they are gonna need to get more of.) And I've been around for a very long time especially when the EVE server was its worse. (although I hear BETA was hell for some people) -------------- Dang nabit
Maya Rkell Forsaken Empire	Posted - 2006.12.04 00:09:00 - [55] Edited by: Maya Rkell on 04/12/2006 00:09:45 Originally by: dantes inferno Quote: You first. Intentions do not matter, only results. //Maya why would i? im happy with the game as it is, it is people like you who are constantly complaining...if i was as unhappy as you lot appear to be i would...but im not You're the one who believes in lag reduction by players quitting. So, you first. Taaketa Frist, what you "believe" is one thing. The objective evidence is otherwise. //Maya
Tekka Caldari Dark Cartel Otherworld Empire Productions	Posted - 2006.12.04 00:16:00 - [56] How do YOU know what CCP is and is not doing? They are working on it, they always have been. Ill explain it for you - There is a influx of players, there is lag, CCP works and eventually fixes lag, and it starts over. Or better yet you could just leave, lessen the server load a bit and one less whiner. »»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»
WaiLong Wang	Posted - 2006.12.04 00:22:00 - [57] They may be doing something about the lag, but it obviously is not working. Hire new/better programmers, open for servers, make agents able to give missions in other systems, w/e. For all the people who keep saying to quit, think about how much time I already put into this game and now I am just supposed to throw away all those wasted hours of gameplay. Do not even try to say why were you playing this whole time if the lag bugged you. It did not in the past as it was minimal but now, it has really gotten out of hand.
MissileRus	Posted - 2006.12.04 00:23:00 - [58] Edited by: MissileRus on 04/12/2006 00:26:06 Originally by: Bloody Slave I bet you were not playing and know nothing about the night when CCP reached 30K players, something like 3 months ago, and was before Dragon and BEFORE the other new servers, ransam, etc... Please, keep in mind I'm not talking about the servers that were bought in Feb 2006... he was obviously meaning the big server upgrade, the latest one was only adding more nodes and not upgrading anyhting but adding and 30k was reatched after the blade servers if i remember correct so i think hes right. now stop laughing before the ramsan there was like 15-17k that was max? after ramsan it was like 20+, after blade servers 30+. cant remember exact numbers but anyways the bar raized very fast when more server capacity was added.. so when they add the numbers will increase, its a viziuos circle and we will probably always see lag unless they change the game code extremely. witch is what their doing i hope. edit: kali realease 2 or 3 i think? will take awhile but their on it im sure.. its not like programing a winmine like game --------------------------- 4. i like pizza
Grez Minmatar The Raven Warriors	Posted - 2006.12.04 00:24:00 - [59] We have one of the top 500 super clusters in the world. The server's are not the problem, from what I can tell, it's the database. --- Cache Clearer Still waiting for a Wrangler-edit!
WaiLong Wang	Posted - 2006.12.04 00:24:00 - [60] Oh, and this bs about they fix the lag for x amount but then more people show up is stupid. Server pop has pretty much always been between 14k-25k ppl for the past few months with 32k as a new high record.



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