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WaiLong Wang	Posted - 2006.12.03 20:41:00 - [1] If some of you have noticed the massive amount of lag lately, it is getting a little old. I have played other MMO's and this has the worst lag of any, especially between the days of Monday through Sunday (hehe). In all seriousness where does everyone's monthly fee go towards? I can tell you right now it isnt going towards increasing the amount of bandwidth between the players and the game. I am sick of tired of this horrid lag almost everywhere I go and am getting fed up with it. Long queues, reloading issues, stupid drones, problems with loot showing up in wrecks long after you have opened it to mention a few. In case you are wondering, I am running a custom build machine that is certaintly capable of running multiple eve clients w/o drops in framerates. The problem is also not related to my server connection which preforms amazingly, except when I try to run eve. So CCP, please do something about this soon. You have a huge problem affecting your customers and as a business I would hope you have the sense to start correcting this problem, thank you.
David Koresch Caldari	Posted - 2006.12.03 20:43:00 - [2] Move out of jita? Seriously, the only Seriously laggy place is jita and surrounding systems. Even oursulaert / rens are very good nowadays. Be glad you didnt play pre server-upgrades. THAT was hell. Playing on servers designed to handle 10,000 people with 25000. --------------------------------- Carebearin' in a hi-sec near you!
Verus Potestas Caldari Perkone	Posted - 2006.12.03 20:43:00 - [3] Leave Jita. Between corps atm, the NPC one is strictly a temporary thing. RAWR!111 Sig Hijackz0r!!11 - Immy
Sakura Nihil Tabula Rasa Systems The Star Fraction	Posted - 2006.12.03 20:44:00 - [4] Edited by: Sakura Nihil on 03/12/2006 20:44:37 Try going somewhere less populated
WaiLong Wang	Posted - 2006.12.03 20:46:00 - [5] First of all, I am not in Motsu. Second, why do you put up with the lag. Stand up and tell CCP no more. Fix these lag issues.
WaiLong Wang	Posted - 2006.12.03 20:47:00 - [6] err, rather i am in motsu and the reason I dont leave is because i have a huge pool of LP with the highest quality agent found for caldari navy and am not going to throw away months of work because i should "just move to another system."
LWMaverick Quam Singulari Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.12.03 20:48:00 - [7] Ccp have been doing alot lately, to reduce lag.. afaik, they just installed a sh*tload of new servers, and are deploying hotfixes all the time. They know its a problem, and they seem to be working on it. <3
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2006.12.03 20:51:00 - [8] You can always move to Issenarios (?sp) or Aramachi, about the same as Motsu. And give it a few days, load balancing between systems is done at DT, not dynamically, based on average activity. _____ -sig- This is my only char. These are my skills Always question everything, including yourself
Baleorg Gallente Guys of Sarcasm	Posted - 2006.12.03 20:52:00 - [9] capslock sucks ^^ --- BTW: A GOOD Cache-Cleaner
JamesTalon Caldari Electric Fury Corp	Posted - 2006.12.03 20:53:00 - [10] I don't "stand up and complain" because theres nothing for me to complain about. I don't get any lag that I can tell, and my system is generally around 100 people in it, and not too far from Jita EVEBay Your SIG is to big please reduce it to fit these limits The size limits for signature graphics are as follows: Maximum height: 120 pixels Maximum width: 400 pixels Maximum file size: 24,000 bytes Thanks - Hutch

Zarthon Chutura	Posted - 2006.12.03 20:56:00 - [11] Why tell a Player to move location if Lag is a problem... I would rather the game providers fix it... Zar
Jenessa D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2006.12.03 20:59:00 - [12] Take my word for it it's not just empire. We were up in Deklien earlier today and we were getting jump in queues for systems that had no more than 40 people in, there was even module lag and a few of us had the lovely sight of seeing our ships warp into the same gate 3 times in 10 seconds because of lag. Sorry CCP, not good enough. Not good enough by far.
WaiLong Wang	Posted - 2006.12.03 20:59:00 - [13] thank you zar. that makes sense since we cough pay for this cough
Romeda Minmatar Trojan industries	Posted - 2006.12.03 21:00:00 - [14] To Mr OP: Lag is a part of playing online games, not much you can do about it, EVE is running over 30k users on the server so some lag is not unexpected, if you don't like the lag, be thankful this is not Second Life lag ;). To the other posters, please quit with the automatic-leave-Jita-comment, it's overused and you had no idea where the OP was in EVE, to make that comment is just making yourself look silly.
Haffrage Revelations Inc. Shroud Of Darkness	Posted - 2006.12.03 21:01:00 - [15] WHY DO YOU DO NOTHING TO EDUCATE YOURSELF AND READ PATCH NOTES/DEVBLOGS? Give me another MMO with over 30K people on one server and then come back and complain about THEIR lag. kthx. -----
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2006.12.03 21:02:00 - [16] Originally by: Zarthon Chutura Why tell a Player to move location if Lag is a problem... I would rather the game providers fix it... Jita and a few highsec mission hubs will ALWAYS be laggy. That's beacause EVE players always fill up every last piece of available hardware resource available there, and only log off or leave if they can't bear the lag anymore. If Jita would be running smooth at 2000 users, we'll just soon see Jita local of 2500 or more. You CAN NOT "fix" Jita, all you can do is make it less of a mandatory place to go through (create "bypasses" around it for those just passing through). _____ -sig- This is my only char. These are my skills Always question everything, including yourself
Dolly Parton Amarr 5punkorp Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.12.03 21:05:00 - [17] Originally by: WaiLong Wang First of all, I am not in Motsu. Second, why do you put up with the lag. Stand up and tell CCP no more. Fix these lag issues. sure why don't you post with your main. saying stand up for yourself when your hiding is weak. * Any comments made are mine and mine alone! *
WaiLong Wang	Posted - 2006.12.03 21:06:00 - [18] THIS IS MY MAIN, please stop making assumptions about which is my main, what system I am in, thank you.
Constantine Arcanum Gallente IMPERIAL SENATE Pure.	Posted - 2006.12.03 21:06:00 - [19] The lag is much much better since revelations, almost like playing an FPS for me.. I helped - Cortes What a shiny and lovely place here - Eshtir Well lets make it a party atleast :D -Xorus RAWWWR!11!!1!2 SIG HIJACK!!11!1 I found it first, get orrrfff moiiii laaannnd - Cortes
Burnhard Brutor	Posted - 2006.12.03 21:09:00 - [20] Edited by: Burnhard Brutor on 03/12/2006 21:11:31 Edited by: Burnhard Brutor on 03/12/2006 21:09:31 Lag is very bad around Tourier - not doing missions, just moving gate to gate. Not hundreds of pilots in system either. In fact, the system isn't loading for me right now (been waiting 5 minutes). Edit: it just loaded Lag used to be a foretaste of the server crash to come.............

Dahak2150 HellBrothers Industries	Posted - 2006.12.03 21:10:00 - [21] Everyone deleting their instas, eh? One could hope. If you're on IE, pretend this is transparent while you get a better browser.
ghosttr Amarr Resource Control Agency	Posted - 2006.12.03 21:12:00 - [22] Well it might be your connection, try using a Broadband connection instead of dial-up. I don't have a problem with authority... ...as long as it doesn't get in my way.
Burnhard Brutor	Posted - 2006.12.03 21:14:00 - [23] Originally by: ghosttr Well it might be your connection, try using a Broadband connection instead of dial-up. It is most definately not that. It's a node problem, because I've only experienced it through certain systems. I think my Internet is okay; I've just come off a UT2004 server and ping was fine.
Lucas Smaise Omega Enterprises Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.12.03 21:17:00 - [24] Why do people always assume that its because you are in Jita. I am talking over TS to members all over Eve and they say its bad everywhere. We lost 3-4 ships alone in our corp to jump que in 0.0 space with max 5 players in it. Its getting a little old with the Jita thing. You seriosly need to consider if you want to break more records or make you excisting customers happy. Lucas Smaise
Taram Caldar Caldari Acheron Vanguard Armada The Shadow Ascension	Posted - 2006.12.03 21:34:00 - [25] Edited by: Taram Caldar on 03/12/2006 21:36:53 Edited by: Taram Caldar on 03/12/2006 21:35:15 Originally by: Lucas Smaise Why do people always assume that its because you are in Jita. I am talking over TS to members all over Eve and they say its bad everywhere. We lost 3-4 ships alone in our corp to jump que in 0.0 space with max 5 players in it. Its getting a little old with the Jita thing. You seriosly need to consider if you want to break more records or make you excisting customers happy. Lucas Smaise Have to agree. The Jump Queue thing is getting old. Geminate has nowhere near the number of players as other regions and we get jump queue's in systems with NOBODY in them from time to time. Usually spamming the jump button gets you through it but it is definitely a problem. I also have to agree with others. Quit using the "get out of Jita" comments folks. It's not just Jita, not by a long shot. I'm over 30 jumps from Jita and still get server/db lag from time to time. Is it better than it used to be? Yes. Is it acceptable? No, not when I can lose 200mil ISK due to it. I'm not saying 'fix the lag or else' but I would like to see more attention given to fixing it than say... nerfing every role in the game till the players all bleed out their eyes..... (yes, I'm an EWAR pilot).
coldplasma No Quarter.	Posted - 2006.12.03 21:36:00 - [26] Everybody wants a quick fix, fact is, there is no such thing as quick fixes. Do you think server costs are the only thing CCP has to pay for? What about wages for the hundreds of programmers working on eve? Get real. CCP have been doing their best to reduce lag, they know it's a big problem. With the recent patch and hotfixes, you can bet your ass that they are hardly sitting on their asses watching people like you whine on the forums. CCP will solve the lag, it just won't happen overnight. Until then, you can either wait it out until that happens, or leave. Whining on the forums will not change the situation CCP is in. Also, even though more people mean more stress, well, you're forgetting that more people also mean more money to spend on the servers. Quit your whining and look at the real life situation.
Miss Overlord Gallente Ferrum Pugnus New Eve Order	Posted - 2006.12.03 21:38:00 - [27] Originally by: WaiLong Wang err, rather i am in motsu and the reason I dont leave is because i have a huge pool of LP with the highest quality agent found for caldari navy and am not going to throw away months of work because i should "just move to another system." basically lies the crux of youre problem so stop whining can some high sec pirates please get into motsu and start scanning these mision runners and drop in on em These posts represent my personal views and not those of my corp or alliance. These do not reflect offical alliance or corp views This is a disclaimer
Taram Caldar Caldari Acheron Vanguard Armada The Shadow Ascension	Posted - 2006.12.03 21:39:00 - [28] Edited by: Taram Caldar on 03/12/2006 21:40:55 Originally by: coldplasma Everybody wants a quick fix, fact is, there is no such thing as quick fixes. Do you think server costs are the only thing CCP has to pay for? What about wages for the hundreds of programmers working on eve? Get real. CCP have been doing their best to reduce lag, they know it's a big problem. With the recent patch and hotfixes, you can bet your ass that they are hardly sitting on their asses watching people like you whine on the forums. CCP will solve the lag, it just won't happen overnight. Until then, you can either wait it out until that happens, or leave. Whining on the forums will not change the situation CCP is in. Also, even though more people mean more stress, well, you're forgetting that more people also mean more money to spend on the servers. Quit your whining and look at the real life situation. no offense bro... I'm not whining just stating a fact. Claiming that the lag is 'only in jita' is balloney and everyone in this thread knows it. I'm not demanding they get off their rears like some and I rarely post about the lag. I only post when I see people trying to paint some crazy rose colored picture or say that the lag is 'ok' just because it doesn't happen to affect them this week. It's not OK. Yes they ARE addressing it. Which is why I rarely comment on it. But that doesn't make it acceptable or right that we have to deal with it. I expect them to keep working on it. And, oh, for 180 bucks a year? Your darn right we have a right to complain when there's a problem with the product. The OP is clueless. doesn't mean the rest of us are.
WaiLong Wang	Posted - 2006.12.03 21:40:00 - [29] No one expected an overnight fix but these problems have been around for at least 2 months and that was back when CCP finally made the announcement that they broke 30k players. Since then it has not increased by much player wise, yet with the slight increase in "nodes" ive only seen a slight improvement. Keep testing your clients patience and you wont have to fix the lag problem. It will resolve itself when people have finally had enough and start leaving.
ollobrains Ferrum Pugnus New Eve Order	Posted - 2006.12.03 21:41:00 - [30] Originally by: WaiLong Wang No one expected an overnight fix but these problems have been around for at least 2 months and that was back when CCP finally made the announcement that they broke 30k players. Since then it has not increased by much player wise, yet with the slight increase in "nodes" ive only seen a slight improvement. Keep testing your clients patience and you wont have to fix the lag problem. It will resolve itself when people have finally had enough and start leaving. ill take youre stuff off u before u leave

Taram Caldar Caldari Acheron Vanguard Armada The Shadow Ascension	Posted - 2006.12.03 21:43:00 - [31] Originally by: WaiLong Wang No one expected an overnight fix but these problems have been around for at least 2 months and that was back when CCP finally made the announcement that they broke 30k players. Since then it has not increased by much player wise, yet with the slight increase in "nodes" ive only seen a slight improvement. Keep testing your clients patience and you wont have to fix the lag problem. It will resolve itself when people have finally had enough and start leaving. Dude give it a rest. Lag has been an issue since EVE started getting over 15k players online at a time. They are constantly making changes. Is there lag? yes Is it annoying? Yes Do you have a valid complaint? Yes, in a general way. But your attitude is flat wrong. They ARE working on it. Read every patch note for the past year and you'll see that they HAVE been working on rectifying the lag and anyone on these boards will tell you that lag is MUCH less of a problem now than it was a year ago. It got a lot better after Revelations and I expect that after Tuesday it'll get even better with the removal of all the crazy bookmarks in the DB. Give it time. This isn't something that can be fixed overnight nor ever really TRUELY completely fixed. All they can do is hope to get it as minimized as possible because the game is GROWING. As long as the game is doubling population every year they're going to have a hard time keeping up with the demands on the system.
boumer	Posted - 2006.12.03 21:45:00 - [32] im currently in 0.0 with 20 in local, and its simply unplayable same old story, lag 4tl.......again
Burnhard Brutor	Posted - 2006.12.03 21:49:00 - [33] Originally by: ollobrains ill take youre stuff off u before u leave Wow, you are a dumbass, aren't you? The problem isn't that there are 30k players, it's that the model CCP have coded this thing with has a certain granularity with respect to processors and has problems load balancing. It must be this, because the number of times I've read CCP marketing bragging about the hard-on their cluster gets it can't be anything else. And jeez, they've been working on the lag since beta, honestly. It's getting worse not better. The only difference is they've managed to spread the lag around a little, so it doesn't just happen in a few systems, it happens all over the place.
Stitcher Caldari J.I.T. Enterprises Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2006.12.03 21:50:00 - [34] Edited by: Stitcher on 03/12/2006 21:53:46 Edited by: Stitcher on 03/12/2006 21:52:48 EVE is the largest single-shard online game in the world. We hold the world Peak Concurrent User record. We have, in our time, crammed more than thirty thousand people onto a single game server. In short, no other company in videogame history has EVER faced the same challenges that CCP put up with on a daily basis in maintaining and running Tranquility. This is uncharted territory, and frankly, the fact that they're able to keep it running at all, let alone smoothly, speaks volumes for their talent and dedication. Especially when you factor in a regular and extensive update schedule. Consider now that there's a patch release on Tuesday. Perhaps this will help towards compensating for the server load in your own somewhat crowded corner of the game? I suggest patience. If patience doesn't work, I suggest moving to a different system, loyalty points be damned. If that doesn't work, or you can't work up the effort, then I suggest you go find a game more suited to your tastes. Bluntness mode deactivated. Sarcasm mode activiated. Failing all three of those, perhaps you would be kind enough to actually provide a SOLUTION, as opposed to an infinite supply of complaints? ____________________________________________________________ MAY CONTAIN NUTS.
Araxmas Caldari Imperial Space Corporation	Posted - 2006.12.03 21:58:00 - [35] I can honestly say that i experiance lag in very very rare instances (well except jita, and even jita lag is just about a 12 second wait to undock so isnt much). --------
Siigari Kitawa Gallente HelpCorp United Eden's Fire	Posted - 2006.12.03 22:00:00 - [36] Originally by: WaiLong Wang I am running a custom build machine that is certaintly capable of running multiple eve clients w/o drops in framerates. I never quote the OP, but this sounds like a macrowhiner.
Stitcher Caldari J.I.T. Enterprises Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2006.12.03 22:02:00 - [37] Originally by: Siigari Kitawa Originally by: WaiLong Wang I am running a custom build machine that is certaintly capable of running multiple eve clients w/o drops in framerates. I never quote the OP, but this sounds like a macrowhiner. I think you just invented one of my new favourite words ____________________________________________________________ MAY CONTAIN NUTS.
Kiyano	Posted - 2006.12.03 22:04:00 - [38] Originally by: Siigari Kitawa Originally by: WaiLong Wang I am running a custom build machine that is certaintly capable of running multiple eve clients w/o drops in framerates. I never quote the OP, but this sounds like a macrowhiner. Lol i love that term Macrowhiner xD
Maya Rkell Forsaken Empire	Posted - 2006.12.03 22:16:00 - [39] Originally by: Haffrage WHY DO YOU DO NOTHING TO EDUCATE YOURSELF AND READ PATCH NOTES/DEVBLOGS? Give me another MMO with over 30K people on one server and then come back and complain about THEIR lag. kthx. Excuses. Pure excuses. This has been ongoing for a very long time. And now I, too, have died to a queue in 0.0. It's undetectable, unpredictable and unavoidable. This is NOT fun - how can you PvP when the server will randomly decide you can't jump?! Taram Caldar, I am a paying customer and what is being delivered is materially NOT what is offered. This is called "deceptive advertising" in other areas. THat they are "working" on it means nothing; this system which was "never intended to be on TQ" - not that it has stopped them USING it - breaks the game. It is worse now than ever. The EVIDENCE is that this will get worse and worse. Siigari Kitawa, so running multiple accounts for alt scouts is now macromining? Interesting... //Maya
Dragerest Omega Enterprises Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.12.03 22:17:00 - [40] i'm deep in 0.0 and have alot of lag. so it's not jita. For your tech 2 needs www.evetrust.com

Kwint Miner	Posted - 2006.12.03 22:23:00 - [41] In the four months I've been playing this is the worst sustained lag I've experienced. Forget running missions, I can't even transport items. Docking takes 10 minutes and for the record the closest I've gotten to Jita all day is 8 jumps. This level and extent of lag makes the game unplayable.
MissileRus	Posted - 2006.12.03 22:26:00 - [42] wasnt there almost a new record of users online a couple of mins ago? might explain the lag.. i lag less then i did before revelations so have no idea why so many others lag.. havent been to Jita though and probably will never go there --------------------------- 4. i like pizza
JA RULER Caldari Hunters Agency Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.12.03 22:26:00 - [43] The lag has been around a lot longer than 2 months. more like 15 months i would say. and yes its getting very old real fast. just yesterday i lost 9 mil due to lag when putting up a sell order for a really cheap item and wanted to sell it inder the best offer but lag happened and did not update my sel with a decimal that i tyed so for 1.3 mil worth of Omber i paid over 9 mil in a broker fee that CCP wont refuns due to they have no way to track actual lag. Its getting to be a joke!!!! but its costing us more than it should.
Caedicus Minmatar Einherjar Rising Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.12.03 22:27:00 - [44] I haven't experienced much lag at all lately. In fact, I'm playing right now everything is responding quite well. You guys must have crappy connections.
Maya Rkell Forsaken Empire	Posted - 2006.12.03 22:28:00 - [45] Edited by: Maya Rkell on 03/12/2006 22:28:11 Originally by: MissileRus wasnt there almost a new record of users online a couple of mins ago? might explain the lag.. i lag less then i did before revelations so have no idea why so many others lag.. havent been to Jita though and probably will never go there Again, there are queues in DEEP 0.0. These are gasp NOT Jita. And if the server can't take the users, CCP needs to deal with that, not talk about the records. No, Caedicus, you are simply trolling - a queue is a PURE SERVER SIDE issue. //Maya
Kryss Darkdust	Posted - 2006.12.03 23:28:00 - [46] Originally by: WaiLong Wang If some of you have noticed the massive amount of lag lately, it is getting a little old. I have played other MMO's and this has the worst lag of any, especially between the days of Monday through Sunday (hehe). In all seriousness where does everyone's monthly fee go towards? I can tell you right now it isnt going towards increasing the amount of bandwidth between the players and the game. I am sick of tired of this horrid lag almost everywhere I go and am getting fed up with it. Long queues, reloading issues, stupid drones, problems with loot showing up in wrecks long after you have opened it to mention a few. In case you are wondering, I am running a custom build machine that is certaintly capable of running multiple eve clients w/o drops in framerates. The problem is also not related to my server connection which preforms amazingly, except when I try to run eve. So CCP, please do something about this soon. You have a huge problem affecting your customers and as a business I would hope you have the sense to start correcting this problem, thank you. Well you start out by mentioning lag as the problem, but list a few other issues. I think I have to disagree with you on the lag issue, from where I'm standing this is the first MMO which has almost no lag at all. I think in the last year of playing this game I have experianced unaccetable levels of lag about 3-4 times, tonight definitly being one of them. I'm not sure why you are experiance so much lag, but I know people that play this game on dial up and have no more or less lag then I do. As for the other issues you mentioned.. I hear you on those. There are definitly some issues in the game, but all and all I personaly see this as one of the best games in both concept and execution I've ever played, offline, online, including consoles and all the classics. I've been playing this game for a year and I'm more excited to play it today then I was six months ago. Not trying to be too much of a fan boy but I can't seem to shake the Eve bug. Are you are gamer? www.playhardliveeasy.blogspot.com
dantes inferno Caldari Rampage Eternal Ka-Tet	Posted - 2006.12.03 23:30:00 - [47] for those whining i have the ultimate solution for you: cancel you subscription.. if all of you do this it will be a win/win situation as a) you will no longer be paying for a "inferior" product b) less players on = less lag for the rest of us c) we no longer have to put up with your insistent complaing and crying. see its all good. RAM is recruiting
gordon cain Minmatar Omega Enterprises	Posted - 2006.12.03 23:35:00 - [48] Originally by: dantes inferno for those whining i have the ultimate solution for you: cancel you subscription.. if all of you do this it will be a win/win situation as a) you will no longer be paying for a "inferior" product b) less players on = less lag for the rest of us c) we no longer have to put up with your insistent complaing and crying. see its all good. Hell, I would cancel my account just to get clear of you. On the other hand I could just stay here just to annoy you. Why dont you comment on this lag issue or go throll in some other threads. Gordon Cain
Bloody Slave	Posted - 2006.12.03 23:37:00 - [49] Man, you have courage... put it in capital letters... Be ready to have a lot of that "fanbois" coming and saying: 1 - Stop winning your ******, if you don't like the game, quit... blah blah blah... 2 - If you quit, can I have your stuff? Blah blah blah... 3 - Leave Jita blah blah blah... 4 - They are working on it rigth now, so stop complaining and go do some other RL stuff, watch TV, blah blah blah... 5 - I'm tired of these winning threads, dunno why I read them, it's just a waste of blah blah blah... 6 - What are you talking about? I have no lag in the system I am blah blah blah... 7 - I will wardec your Corp so, you will stop acting like a blah blah blah... Well there are several other rant, griefing, flaming, etc that you will read here and, I bet, they will not be deleted or even warned about not folowing the forum rules, guess why... So, yeah, it was not fixed before Kali/Revelations, the new servers didn't helped nothing, proving was not a hardware problem, but still we can't read some patch notes about the adressing of these CRITICAL ISSUES (sry the caps ) so, more time with this, well, there are options for some of us that are stressing and not having fun with the game for quite some time... Hope some adressing and warning about it to the players, and don't bother with the "fanbois" they are many here in the forum, but not in the game playerbase
dantes inferno Caldari Rampage Eternal Ka-Tet	Posted - 2006.12.03 23:44:00 - [50] Quote: Hell, I would cancel my account just to get clear of you. On the other hand I could just stay here just to annoy you. Why dont you comment on this lag issue or go throll in some other threads. if thats how small and petty you are go for it, ill be chucling at the fact your paying ú10 a month for a game which annoyes you in the hope of annoying me when i dont give a damn :D Quote: Man, you have courage... put it in capital letters... Be ready to have a lot of that "fanbois" coming and saying: 1 - Stop winning your ****, if you don't like the game, quit... blah blah blah... 2 - If you quit, can I have your stuff? Blah blah blah... 3 - Leave Jita blah blah blah... 4 - They are working on it rigth now, so stop complaining and go do some other RL stuff, watch TV, blah blah blah... 5 - I'm tired of these winning threads, dunno why I read them, it's just a waste of blah blah blah... 6 - What are you talking about? I have no lag in the system I am blah blah blah... 7 - I will wardec your Corp so, you will stop acting like a blah blah blah... Well there are several other rant, griefing, flaming, etc that you will read here and, I bet, they will not be deleted or even warned about not folowing the forum rules, guess why... mainly these replies come because people get fed up of the thousand cry baby threads in the forum which shockingly dont fix anything. just become some random brainles dork comes along with a thread "OMG SWITCH OF THE LAG CCP!!!11111!!!!111" will not finaly make ccp decide to turn on the magic no lag switch. if the fix was easy to do..dont you think they would of by now? Quote: So, yeah, it was not fixed before Kali/Revelations, the new servers didn't helped nothing, proving was not a hardware problem, but still we can't read some patch notes about the adressing of these CRITICAL ISSUES (sry the caps ) so, more time with this, well, there are options for some of us that are stressing and not having fun with the game for quite some time... new servers did in fact help with the problem, but as these fixes come in the player numbers increase so it appears nothing is happening..if 32k players had tried to play the game pre upgrades the servers would be a pool of molten plastic by now. Quote:** Hope some adressing and warning about it to the players, and don't bother with the "fanbois" they are many here in the forum, but not in the game playerbase just because someone hate whinners does not make them a fanboi...ccp have a lot of faults, not trying to fix the lag is not one of them RAM is recruiting

Maya Rkell Forsaken Empire	Posted - 2006.12.03 23:46:00 - [51] Originally by: dantes inferno for those whining i have the ultimate solution for you: cancel you subscription.. if all of you do this it will be a win/win situation as a) you will no longer be paying for a "inferior" product b) less players on = less lag for the rest of us c) we no longer have to put up with your insistent complaing and crying. see its all good. You first. Intentions do not matter, only results. //Maya
dantes inferno Caldari Rampage Eternal Ka-Tet	Posted - 2006.12.03 23:49:00 - [52] Quote: You first. Intentions do not matter, only results. //Maya why would i? im happy with the game as it is, it is people like you who are constantly complaining...if i was as unhappy as you lot appear to be i would...but im not RAM is recruiting
Bloody Slave	Posted - 2006.12.03 23:58:00 - [53] Originally by: dantes inferno Quote: Hell, I would cancel my account just to get clear of you. On the other hand I could just stay here just to annoy you. Why dont you comment on this lag issue or go throll in some other threads. if thats how small and petty you are go for it, ill be chucling at the fact your paying ú10 a month for a game which annoyes you in the hope of annoying me when i dont give a damn :D Quote: Man, you have courage... put it in capital letters... Be ready to have a lot of that "fanbois" coming and saying: 1 - Stop winning your ****, if you don't like the game, quit... blah blah blah... 2 - If you quit, can I have your stuff? Blah blah blah... 3 - Leave Jita blah blah blah... 4 - They are working on it rigth now, so stop complaining and go do some other RL stuff, watch TV, blah blah blah... 5 - I'm tired of these winning threads, dunno why I read them, it's just a waste of blah blah blah... 6 - What are you talking about? I have no lag in the system I am blah blah blah... 7 - I will wardec your Corp so, you will stop acting like a blah blah blah... Well there are several other rant, griefing, flaming, etc that you will read here and, I bet, they will not be deleted or even warned about not folowing the forum rules, guess why... mainly these replies come because people get fed up of the thousand cry baby threads in the forum which shockingly dont fix anything. just become some random brainles dork comes along with a thread "OMG SWITCH OF THE LAG CCP!!!11111!!!!111" will not finaly make ccp decide to turn on the magic no lag switch. if the fix was easy to do..dont you think they would of by now? Quote: So, yeah, it was not fixed before Kali/Revelations, the new servers didn't helped nothing, proving was not a hardware problem, but still we can't read some patch notes about the adressing of these CRITICAL ISSUES (sry the caps ) so, more time with this, well, there are options for some of us that are stressing and not having fun with the game for quite some time... new servers did in fact help with the problem, but as these fixes come in the player numbers increase so it appears nothing is happening..if 32k players had tried to play the game pre upgrades the servers would be a pool of molten plastic by now. Quote: Hope some adressing and warning about it to the players, and don't bother with the "fanbois" they are many here in the forum, but not in the game playerbase just because someone hate whinners does not make them a fanboi...ccp have a lot of faults, not trying to fix the lag is not one of them Gwahahahahahahahaha... LOL LMAO ROFL and others I bet you were not playing and know nothing about the night when CCP reached 30K players, something like 3 months ago, and was before Dragon and BEFORE** the other new servers, ransam, etc... Please, keep in mind I'm not talking about the servers that were bought in Feb 2006... Well, in fact, I will not bother with your opinions cuz I'm pretty sure they are not the same as CCP team: That "quit" and "less players less lag for us the rest" is not the goal of CCP...
Taaketa Frist The Praxis Initiative Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.12.04 00:08:00 - [54] Originally by: dantes inferno for those whining i have the ultimate solution for you: cancel you subscription.. if all of you do this it will be a win/win situation as a) you will no longer be paying for a "inferior" product b) less players on = less lag for the rest of us c) we no longer have to put up with your insistent complaing and crying. see its all good. I approve of this post and its content. You do not like the service, do not pay for it. I for one am very pleased with the latest expansion to EVE and believe the lag issues have much improved since the new hardware (Which by the looks of things, they are gonna need to get more of.) And I've been around for a very long time especially when the EVE server was its worse. (although I hear BETA was hell for some people) -------------- Dang nabit
Maya Rkell Forsaken Empire	Posted - 2006.12.04 00:09:00 - [55] Edited by: Maya Rkell on 04/12/2006 00:09:45 Originally by: dantes inferno Quote: You first. Intentions do not matter, only results. //Maya why would i? im happy with the game as it is, it is people like you who are constantly complaining...if i was as unhappy as you lot appear to be i would...but im not You're the one who believes in lag reduction by players quitting. So, you first. Taaketa Frist, what you "believe" is one thing. The objective evidence is otherwise. //Maya
Tekka Caldari Dark Cartel Otherworld Empire Productions	Posted - 2006.12.04 00:16:00 - [56] How do YOU know what CCP is and is not doing? They are working on it, they always have been. Ill explain it for you - There is a influx of players, there is lag, CCP works and eventually fixes lag, and it starts over. Or better yet you could just leave, lessen the server load a bit and one less whiner. »»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»
WaiLong Wang	Posted - 2006.12.04 00:22:00 - [57] They may be doing something about the lag, but it obviously is not working. Hire new/better programmers, open for servers, make agents able to give missions in other systems, w/e. For all the people who keep saying to quit, think about how much time I already put into this game and now I am just supposed to throw away all those wasted hours of gameplay. Do not even try to say why were you playing this whole time if the lag bugged you. It did not in the past as it was minimal but now, it has really gotten out of hand.
MissileRus	Posted - 2006.12.04 00:23:00 - [58] Edited by: MissileRus on 04/12/2006 00:26:06 Originally by: Bloody Slave I bet you were not playing and know nothing about the night when CCP reached 30K players, something like 3 months ago, and was before Dragon and BEFORE the other new servers, ransam, etc... Please, keep in mind I'm not talking about the servers that were bought in Feb 2006... he was obviously meaning the big server upgrade, the latest one was only adding more nodes and not upgrading anyhting but adding and 30k was reatched after the blade servers if i remember correct so i think hes right. now stop laughing before the ramsan there was like 15-17k that was max? after ramsan it was like 20+, after blade servers 30+. cant remember exact numbers but anyways the bar raized very fast when more server capacity was added.. so when they add the numbers will increase, its a viziuos circle and we will probably always see lag unless they change the game code extremely. witch is what their doing i hope. edit: kali realease 2 or 3 i think? will take awhile but their on it im sure.. its not like programing a winmine like game --------------------------- 4. i like pizza
Grez Minmatar The Raven Warriors	Posted - 2006.12.04 00:24:00 - [59] We have one of the top 500 super clusters in the world. The server's are not the problem, from what I can tell, it's the database. --- Cache Clearer Still waiting for a Wrangler-edit!
WaiLong Wang	Posted - 2006.12.04 00:24:00 - [60] Oh, and this bs about they fix the lag for x amount but then more people show up is stupid. Server pop has pretty much always been between 14k-25k ppl for the past few months with 32k as a new high record.

Maya Rkell Forsaken Empire	Posted - 2006.12.04 00:25:00 - [61] Originally by: Tekka How do YOU know what CCP is and is not doing? To repeat, Intentions do not matter, only results. MissileRus, huh? The lag's slowly got worse. CCP might be letting more people PLAY, but the actual gameplay experience is not as good as it was. Once upon a time, 200vs200 battles had little lag, y'know! //Maya
Dra0cht	Posted - 2006.12.04 00:31:00 - [62] Yup, been playing since Dec '03, and lag has never been so consistently this bad. Seriously cannot understand how it can be this way, after several major hardware/software upgrades to the server, omg the shy is falling...
MissileRus	Posted - 2006.12.04 00:32:00 - [63] Originally by: Maya Rkell Originally by: Tekka How do YOU know what CCP is and is not doing? To repeat, Intentions do not matter, only results. MissileRus, huh? The lag's slowly got worse. CCP might be letting more people PLAY, but the actual gameplay experience is not as good as it was. Once upon a time, 200vs200 battles had little lag, y'know! mm yea i know, i didnt mean to make it sound like its good now.. heh.. just that they add hardware and more players follow that hardware addition, and the game code is ancient CCP stated themselves that the core is realy outdated.. and i hope their working on redoing it. witch i think could come in a kali release? or perhaps its in even mroe distant future.. --------------------------- 4. i like pizza
Kldraina	Posted - 2006.12.04 01:26:00 - [64] Originally by: WaiLong Wang Oh, and this bs about they fix the lag for x amount but then more people show up is stupid. Server pop has pretty much always been between 14k-25k ppl for the past few months with 32k as a new high record. You seem to think a few months is a long time.
Tekka Caldari Dark Cartel Otherworld Empire Productions	Posted - 2006.12.04 02:31:00 - [65] Edited by: Tekka on 04/12/2006 02:31:00 Oh nevermind »»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»
BobFromMarketing Amarr The Syndicate Inc Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.12.04 02:45:00 - [66] Actually im normally in a 0.0 system with no more than 10 people in it and the lag was horrible. It took 3-4 minutes just to warp from one thing to another because of the command delay. So no its not just jita folks.
Phoenix Lonestar Litanies of Hate	Posted - 2006.12.04 03:58:00 - [67] Edited by: Phoenix Lonestar on 04/12/2006 03:59:35 Edited by: Phoenix Lonestar on 04/12/2006 03:58:55 OMFG! You whiners are so lame! The 50% of you that is affected by this problem is imagining it! Go to 0.0 n00bs! CCP is doing a fantastic job of... increasing the lag while increasing the number of press releases about how ubarr their server is. I'm not afraid to admit that I go to Jita. I live in Isenairos (when I'm saving up for my expeditions to low sec 23 jumps away), and I sell stuff there and 2 jumps away in Jita. SO WHAT? I CHOOSE to be there because it's a FANTASTIC market hub. So if I want to complain that lag is ridiculous there, it's MY fault that I'm GOING there. It's NOT the fault of the people who are RESPONSIBLE for maintaining the servers. That's a bull** attitude. I really wish I could organize a mass exodus of players who have been disenfranchised since Dragon. The 20,000 people left (those obtuse "leave jita, noob" "can i have yer stuff?" "get a better computer" "get a better connection" "i <3 ccp" people that we've grown to know and love)would have a fantastic experience for about 2 months before CCP's bills came due and realized they couldn't maintain their staff/building/server/beer tabs anymore. The 0.0 piwates and their ilk wouldn't have a game to play if it weren't for the population in empire paying their subs. Maybe they should try to realize that and stop biting the hand that feeds them. AND FFS, FIX THE DAMNED FORUM LOGIN BUG!!!! IT'S ONLY BEEN THREE YEARS SINCE THE PROBLEM HAS BEEN BROUGHT TO YOUR ATTENTION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!**
Cadela Fria Amarr eXin Alliance	Posted - 2006.12.04 04:13:00 - [68] Originally by: WaiLong Wang They may be doing something about the lag, but it obviously is not working. Hire new/better programmers, open for servers, make agents able to give missions in other systems, w/e. For all the people who keep saying to quit, think about how much time I already put into this game and now I am just supposed to throw away all those wasted hours of gameplay. Do not even try to say why were you playing this whole time if the lag bugged you. It did not in the past as it was minimal but now, it has really gotten out of hand. Heres why people aren't complaining, me included: WE ARENT LAGGING..Now if you're lagging, thats too bad..it happens now and then, especially after a large patch deployment like Revelations. It takes a month or less and almost all major glitches have been sorted out. Your loudmouth no-brain bad attitude approach isn't going to get things done faster. Open more servers you say? Are you friggin insane? The EVE Cluser is HUGE, immensely complex and it would take ENOURMAS resources to bring up an extra server..and you'd have to start over on the new server. If you then you "no just bring the characters over" well thats hardly a solution ..it'll just be the same..be patient little grasshopper. ---- Now for those of us you mentioned that are telling you to quit and that you won't quit cause you put so much work in etc etc..of course not, and being faced with something that frustrates you doesn't make it easier. However, since you won't accept the fact that they are doing what they can to deal with whatever issues you're (HOPEFULLY) bug reporting to them..then I say, Can I have your stuff? Just do us a favor and get over yourself, and don't stand up on a pedestal and talk like you're the community's spokeman's, BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT!! Okay?? get that through your thick head..saying "CCP, WE demand blah blah" and "CCP YOUR players..."..Stop including the rest of us and speak for yourself you little dimwit. Those who agree with you, can speak up aswell and join in, thats fine...thats how it's supposed to be, but YOU != US and thank god for that. -Knowledge is a priviledge, not a right
Phoenix Lonestar Litanies of Hate	Posted - 2006.12.04 04:22:00 - [69] Edited by: Phoenix Lonestar on 04/12/2006 04:22:36 For every fanboi vigorously defending CCP at every twist and turn, there are 4 or 5 new posters wondering why their game experience is getting **tier and **tier every time CCP "optimizes" the game. Maybe that's why us whiners speak like we're speaking for the community. Because we're the ones who are experiencing problems and posting for the other people who are experiencing them that we've talked to in Local. I personally don't care what the problem is. All I know is I want it fixed. If the problem is load balancing, then there needs to be DYNAMIC load balancing. Clearly this "we adjust it every DT based on previous day's usage" strategy isn't working. Say BOB and ASCN have a battle that results in one 0.0 system getting traffic on the order of 400+ people at once. Does that mean the next day, that 0.0 system now has more processing power than it did the day before, instead of having that power in a high traffic region like The Forge? If so, that's broken. They need to hire someone or spend some time researching how to implement priorities that will result in the highest traffic areas getting the most processing priority, while the lag is evenly distributed. If there's 5 seconds of lag in Jita, there should be 5 seconds of lag in the furthest 0.0. That way, we can be more unified when we complain about lag, instead of those of us in the Northeast (of EVE, not the USA or Europe) complaining night and day, and the people in the West saying we're all idiots and there's no lag. Those who say "Well whining is all well and good, but where are your solutions?" There you go. Dynamic load balancing (since BMs obviously weren't the issue).
Siigari Kitawa Gallente HelpCorp United Eden's Fire	Posted - 2006.12.04 04:23:00 - [70] I ate a peanut.

Phoenix Lonestar Litanies of Hate	Posted - 2006.12.04 04:50:00 - [71] Dammit Siigari... don't start spamming this thread just to get your old pal Phoenix to pay attention to you... 'cause I'll do it!
Siigari Kitawa Gallente HelpCorp United Eden's Fire	Posted - 2006.12.04 04:54:00 - [72] Originally by: Phoenix Lonestar Dammit Siigari... don't start spamming this thread just to get your old pal Phoenix to pay attention to you... 'cause I'll do it! lol aww :D I just find it funny that everyone is getting overworked and over technical about something that I'm fairly sure CCP knows about. It's funny to watch. :3
Dack Bayel	Posted - 2006.12.04 05:18:00 - [73] Lately, I have been spending most my time in 0.0, and I must say that I see no lag. When I make the dreaded trips to Jita, however, sometimes the lag is quite painful. Maybe along with CCP working on the servers, some of you need to upgrade your computers and/or stop running loads of programs and anti-virus in the background. Turning off crap services helps too. --Dack Bayel
Phoenix Lonestar Litanies of Hate	Posted - 2006.12.04 05:25:00 - [74] Edited by: Phoenix Lonestar on 04/12/2006 05:28:16 Originally by: Dack Bayel Lately, I have been spending most my time in 0.0, and I must say that I see no lag. When I make the dreaded trips to Jita, however, sometimes the lag is quite painful. Maybe along with CCP working on the servers, some of you need to upgrade your computers and/or stop running loads of programs and anti-virus in the background. Turning off crap services helps too. I was an idiot that reformatted my computer in the insistence that it might've STILL been me, even though I made sure everything was off in the background, etc. I have a "fully loaded" rig, and the lag is affecting me. Even you experience it in Caldari space... so those of us that LIVE in Caldari space aren't imagining it. I do appreciate, however, that you identified where you live, and that when you travel to Caldari, you DO experience it... instead of the blanket "I have no lag, stfu and cancel you n00b. Gimme yer stuff." It's annoying that the whiners get accused of moaning without offering solutions. Well saying "I have no lag, therefore nobody has lag" is extremely obtuse. FFR, it'd probably be more helpful to identify where you are experiencing no lag, than to say "Get out of Jita." As you guys are sick of hearing the idiots in our midst saying "omg i quit ccp!" the intelligent in our ranks are sick of hearing your idiots saying "no lag. stfu." I'm not saying lag is EVE wide. I'm saying the lag is like Visa. It's everywhere I want to be. And I'm saying to give up my 380k LP is NOT an acceptable solution to the lag. None of us are saying everyone in EVE is experience the lag. We're saying that WE personally are experiencing it, and would like it addressed and fixed for the regions we are in. If I wanted to be in Heimatar right now, I would be. But atm, I'm working on getting cash to buy some kit for my low sec ships, and grinding away to get my CNR just to showboat around in. Once I get to where I need to be financially, I'm going to be in low sec. That's what I do. But in the mean time, I need this particular region to have less lag.
Dack Bayel	Posted - 2006.12.04 05:57:00 - [75] Yes, I by no means meant my post as a "I know the fix to everyone's problems because I am all knowing and always right" statement. I was just stating my opinion and a possible fix. Just wanted to clear that up, becaues at second glance my post looked a bit rude. Maybe it was just me.
Dack Bayel	Posted - 2006.12.04 05:57:00 - [76] Yes, I by no means meant my post as a "I know the fix to everyone's problems because I am all knowing and always right" statement. I was just stating my opinion and a possible fix. Just wanted to clear that up, becaues at second glance my post looked a bit rude. Maybe it was just me. --Dack Bayel
dantes inferno Caldari Rampage Eternal Ka-Tet	Posted - 2006.12.04 09:13:00 - [77] i constantly wonder why people continue to pay for somethign which makes them so unhappy RAM is recruiting
Asnar Evil Strangers Inc.	Posted - 2006.12.04 09:22:00 - [78] Originally by: Taram Caldar Edited by: Taram Caldar on 03/12/2006 21:36:53 Edited by: Taram Caldar on 03/12/2006 21:35:15 Originally by: Lucas Smaise Why do people always assume that its because you are in Jita. I am talking over TS to members all over Eve and they say its bad everywhere. We lost 3-4 ships alone in our corp to jump que in 0.0 space with max 5 players in it. Its getting a little old with the Jita thing. You seriosly need to consider if you want to break more records or make you excisting customers happy. Lucas Smaise Have to agree. The Jump Queue thing is getting old. Geminate has nowhere near the number of players as other regions and we get jump queue's in systems with NOBODY in them from time to time. Usually spamming the jump button gets you through it but it is definitely a problem. I also have to agree with others. Quit using the "get out of Jita" comments folks. It's not just Jita, not by a long shot. I'm over 30 jumps from Jita and still get server/db lag from time to time. Is it better than it used to be? Yes. Is it acceptable? No, not when I can lose 200mil ISK due to it. I'm not saying 'fix the lag or else' but I would like to see more attention given to fixing it than say... nerfing every role in the game till the players all bleed out their eyes..... (yes, I'm an EWAR pilot). Yea, cause they're not doing all they can. Compaired to us doing all we can to increase the lag. When your customers play the "how many people can we get on one grid before server blows up" game, it's pretty fecking impossible to fix lag you know.
Flaming sambuka Trinity Nova	Posted - 2006.12.04 09:37:00 - [79] I dont know whyyyyy people complainabout lag? seriously IT IS YOUR COMPUTER!, my pc runs eve fine at all times, i dont evenlag in jita when 600 people are in system so just...stop ffs plzzz Trinity Nova Mercenary Services
Lord WarATron Amarr Vanguard Frontiers Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.12.04 09:44:00 - [80] There is little lag in systems as long as the system is not in a node that has a fleet battle or a jita, for example. Fleet battle lag is beyond a joke. I warp to gate... 10 minutes of seeing nothing then I look at the enemy killboard and see that I lost my BS. Fantastic. Anyone else on the same node as me, even if they are in a system with 0 people will also get the super lag effect :) Lets hope the BM deletion will fix this, however the nodes cannot handle fleet battles anymore. --- Slot 10 Akemons Modified 'Noble'Zet 5000 implant +8% Armour FREE

Lorn Yeager Gallente Blessed Souls	Posted - 2006.12.04 09:44:00 - [81] Originally by: WaiLong Wang First of all, I am not in Motsu. Second, why do you put up with the lag. Stand up and tell CCP no more. Fix these lag issues. Im not the reactionary kind a guy, but please please get a clue before posting stuff like that. Thank you. Begin sig: //-> Its Aloha time! Lorn Yeager Blessed Souls
Asnar Evil Strangers Inc.	Posted - 2006.12.04 09:55:00 - [82] Originally by: Lord WarATron There is little lag in systems as long as the system is not in a node that has a fleet battle or a jita, for example. Fleet battle lag is beyond a joke. I warp to gate... 10 minutes of seeing nothing then I look at the enemy killboard and see that I lost my BS. Fantastic. Anyone else on the same node as me, even if they are in a system with 0 people will also get the super lag effect :) Lets hope the BM deletion will fix this, however the nodes cannot handle fleet battles anymore. And they're doing their best to get this working better again. Obvious solution is decreasign fleet size though. And I pray they're workign even harder on game mechanics that make that happen. So we solve the problem, not try to lessen the symptoms. ;-)
Lord WarATron Amarr Vanguard Frontiers Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.12.04 10:08:00 - [83] Originally by: Asnar Originally by: Lord WarATron There is little lag in systems as long as the system is not in a node that has a fleet battle or a jita, for example. Fleet battle lag is beyond a joke. I warp to gate... 10 minutes of seeing nothing then I look at the enemy killboard and see that I lost my BS. Fantastic. Anyone else on the same node as me, even if they are in a system with 0 people will also get the super lag effect :) Lets hope the BM deletion will fix this, however the nodes cannot handle fleet battles anymore. And they're doing their best to get this working better again. Obvious solution is decreasign fleet size though. And I pray they're workign even harder on game mechanics that make that happen. So we solve the problem, not try to lessen the symptoms. ;-) Fleet battles were playable in Cold War. In RMR, this super lag came about. Perhaps it is something in the coding... perhaps not. Shuttles with 1000 bms in cargo can lag out people in the same grid badly, so something is going wrong. But as it stands, 50v50 battles are laggy, and 100+vs100+ is unplayable. The battles are bigger than what the nodes can handle currently and I guess either optimisations or hardware is needed. --- Slot 10 Akemons Modified 'Noble'Zet 5000 implant +8% Armour FREE


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