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Alessienne Ellecon
University of Caille Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.07.28 11:18:05 -
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No, this isn't pubbie tears after a gank, this is something that legitimately deserves CCP's attention.
The amount of anti-transgender bigotry (I refuse to call it transphobia because let's face it, the majority of those responsible are just assholes) and attendant abuse going on in EVE chat and evemail is staggering. I found myself having to block at least two people in corp chat because they were absolutely hellbent on misgendering trans folk simply for the sake of it, and getting ornery when I called them out on their cruelty. I just found out that my trans friend and beloved corpmate has refused to renew her subscription on the grounds that she is unwilling to sift though 50 evemails telling her to kill herself for being trans every time she logs in.
If you have a problem with trans people, if you can't accept that there are those who are willing and able to become another gender, I sincerely hope you are banned from EVE permanently because there is NOTHING that justifies bigotry against anyone. You can get away with a lot of shenanigans in the EVE universe, but tormenting a transgender player is not one of them. If you think that's OK, then I think it's OK to put my fist in your face.
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Lan Wang
V I R I I Ineluctable.
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Posted - 2015.07.28 11:20:33 -
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why do you have the need to broadcast your sexual preference in an online game?
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embrel
BamBam Inc.
238
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Posted - 2015.07.28 11:23:14 -
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Lan Wang wrote:why do you have the need to broadcast your sexual preference in an online game?
why do others need to broadcast their hate (& fears)? |
Drago Shouna
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
272
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Posted - 2015.07.28 11:25:10 -
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If this is true then I sincerely hope it's been ticketed, and the evemails saved.
I have an old army mate who became female and really got some crap at work, (yes I work for the same company)
I'm not sure bringing it in here was a good idea though. |
War Kitten
Panda McLegion
6162
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Posted - 2015.07.28 11:29:54 -
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Drago Shouna wrote:If this is true then I sincerely hope it's been ticketed, and the evemails saved.
I have an old army mate who became female and really got some crap at work, (yes I work for the same company)
I'm not sure bringing it in here was a good idea though.
This.
Send in your petitions and deal with it properly. Broadcasting it in the forums is just as silly as volunteering to your corp the information in the first place. Your sexuality really has no need to be shared in-game.
I don't judge people by their race, religion, color, size, age, gender, or ethnicity. I judge them by their grammar, spelling, syntax, punctuation, clarity of expression, and logical consistency.
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Candi LeMew
Isogen 5
34930
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Posted - 2015.07.28 11:30:40 -
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You'll find the same bigotry here as you will in the real world, sadly.
It's always there waiting to pounce, so just like in RL the way you also behave or project yourself can help keep it at bay, or even attract more it. I think in my 5 years of EVE I've discussed my own RL sexuality maybe twice, in friendly circles. It really has no relevance to my EVE or anyone else's.
Mails like the ones you mentioned would be reportable I'd imagine.
In anycase, sorry to hear some knobs are giving your friend and you a hard time GÖÑ
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Drago Shouna
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
272
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Posted - 2015.07.28 11:31:26 -
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Lan Wang wrote:why do you have the need to broadcast your sexual preference in an online game?
I wouldn't say that being open about your gender is broadcasting your sexual preferences.
Broadcasting your liking for anal, oral, older partners, sex toys..that's broadcasting sexual preferences.
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embrel
BamBam Inc.
238
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Posted - 2015.07.28 11:32:28 -
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War Kitten wrote:
Your sexuality really has no need to be shared in-game.
secondlife begs to differ:) |
War Kitten
Panda McLegion
6162
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Posted - 2015.07.28 11:38:32 -
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embrel wrote:War Kitten wrote:
Your sexuality really has no need to be shared in-game.
secondlife begs to differ:)
Last I checked, this is EVE Online. :)
I don't judge people by their race, religion, color, size, age, gender, or ethnicity. I judge them by their grammar, spelling, syntax, punctuation, clarity of expression, and logical consistency.
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embrel
BamBam Inc.
240
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Posted - 2015.07.28 11:39:59 -
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War Kitten wrote:embrel wrote:War Kitten wrote:
Your sexuality really has no need to be shared in-game.
secondlife begs to differ:) Last I checked, this is EVE Online. :)
dammit, that's why I get such poor responses to my advances |
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Tam Arai
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
33
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Posted - 2015.07.28 11:40:04 -
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your friend should report said emails |
Thorlund Amatin
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
3
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Posted - 2015.07.28 11:40:18 -
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This might sound harsh, even though I agree with the general gist of what you're saying.
People absolutely should not be subject to abuse simply because of their gender, or sexual identity, or race, etc. Absolutely not.
But when I'm in New Eden, I couldn't give a flying toss what your gender is or who you like to sleep with. I don't care, and I don't want to know. I won't abuse you for doing it because hopefully I'm not a horrible person. If we become friends and discuss it in private chat or whatever then fine, but otherwise I don't care. I see plenty of that stuff on social media.
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Webvan
All Kill No Skill
11565
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Posted - 2015.07.28 11:42:14 -
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Lan Wang wrote:why do you have the need to broadcast your sexual preference in an online game? for the few to rule the many
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Alessienne Ellecon
University of Caille Gallente Federation
7
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Posted - 2015.07.28 11:48:03 -
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Thorlund Amatin wrote:This might sound harsh, even though I agree with the general gist of what you're saying.
People absolutely should not be subject to abuse simply because of their gender, or sexual identity, or race, etc. Absolutely not.
But when I'm in New Eden, I couldn't give a flying toss what your gender is or who you like to sleep with. I don't care, and I don't want to know. I won't abuse you for doing it because hopefully I'm not a horrible person. If we become friends and discuss it in private chat or whatever then fine, but otherwise I don't care. I see plenty of that stuff on social media.
Sure, I can go with that. But sometimes the subject comes up in corp chat, or one corpmate confides in another, then the next thing you know you're cleaning the turds out of your inbox.
@War Kitten: My friend quit EVE rather than deal with it, so the mails will likely never get reported. I'm bringing it to the forums because 1) I'm too angry to care and 2) I'm putting bigots on notice. |
Crystalline Entity
Outdated Host Productions Mortum Ravagers
13
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Posted - 2015.07.28 11:48:23 -
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oh wow, this **** made it into eve as well |
Candi LeMew
Isogen 5
34931
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Posted - 2015.07.28 11:50:32 -
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Thorlund Amatin wrote:But when I'm in New Eden, I couldn't give a flying toss what your gender is or who you like to sleep with. I don't care, and I don't want to know.
I agree with your statements, though you might be surprised on that last point. A ton of people do want to know.
Personally I am very, very often asked what my age, sex and location is by other players.
I always raise an eyebrow when someone wants to know that within the first five minutes of meeting.
A lot of people do want/need to know, it seems. And imo that's kinda sad tbh.
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Alessienne Ellecon
University of Caille Gallente Federation
7
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Posted - 2015.07.28 11:51:31 -
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Crystalline Entity wrote:oh wow, this **** made it into eve as well
it's not LGBT people's fault we're constantly having to defend ourselves.
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CCP Darwin
C C P C C P Alliance
1575
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Posted - 2015.07.28 11:54:45 -
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Harassment, abuse, or threatening another player is prohibited by the EVE Online Terms of Service. If your friend submits a support ticket to report harassing behavior, our Game Master team can address the issue.
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baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
16451
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Posted - 2015.07.28 11:59:38 -
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I often wonder if this is a high sec thing because I just don't see this kind of thing happen in game.
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Avaelica Kuershin
Paper Cats
215
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Posted - 2015.07.28 12:05:52 -
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baltec1 wrote:I often wonder if this is a high sec thing because I just don't see this kind of thing happen in game.
When I was in UC I saw a couple of rather unpleasant people in corp chat. Quite possibly, player corps can just kick out the unpleasant types. |
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Slept
University of Caille Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2015.07.28 12:07:03 -
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It's an Aless thing.... I have the full chat log, and at no point was any transgender corp mate mentioned. It mostly consists of aless randomly trolling:
Troll #1:
n++[ 2015.07.28 04:32:56 ] Alessienne Ellecon > if someone has a sex change, they are for all intents and prurposes that new gender
Troll #2:
n++[ 2015.07.28 04:38:47 ] Alessienne Ellecon > what is the problem then n++[ 2015.07.28 04:38:58 ] Alessienne Ellecon > what do you have against trans people?
Troll #3: (after things had actually settled down, making it even worse....)
n++[ 2015.07.28 04:56:03 ] Alessienne Ellecon > xxxxxxxxxx please share your thoughts on transgendered people
I agree if this mysterious corp mate even exists, please notify CCP of hate mail and get someone a deserved ban. But I'd put 1000USD on it just being aless trolling again.
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Makari Aeron
The Shadow's Of Eve TSOE Consortium
238
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Posted - 2015.07.28 12:12:13 -
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baltec1 wrote:I often wonder if this is a high sec thing because I just don't see this kind of thing happen in game.
I feel weird, I'm in agreement with a Goon. I've never seen that happen in my part of space.
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Barrogh Habalu
Forever Winter Absolute Zero.
963
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Posted - 2015.07.28 12:13:33 -
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That explains why people engage in mail exchange about personal information they couldn't possibly have otherwise.
Sigh.
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Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
11963
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Posted - 2015.07.28 12:16:36 -
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Slept wrote:It's an Aless thing.... I have the full chat log, and at no point was any transgender corp mate mentioned. It mostly consists of aless randomly trolling:
What you've written here reminds me of this sketch. Especially the end.
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Darkblad
Hilf Dir selbst in EVE
1954
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Posted - 2015.07.28 12:17:37 -
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Lan Wang wrote:why do you have the need to broadcast your sexual preference in an online game? Who are you to decide what people are allowed to be open with or not? Why do you consider talking openly about some part of yourself as something that should be remain hidden? Why would such question like yours not arise if someone "broadcasts" his less uncommon heterosexual preference in an online game (e.g. by posting images that strongly suggest one is heterosexual)? And finally, how do you know that she did "need to broadcast" that detail in the first place?
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Thorlund Amatin
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
9
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Posted - 2015.07.28 12:19:51 -
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Alessienne Ellecon wrote:Sure, I can go with that. But sometimes the subject comes up in corp chat, or one corpmate confides in another, then the next thing you know you're cleaning the turds out of your inbox.
Yeah, I do understand. It's one of the perils of giving away personal info online.
If I saw people outright being jerks about such issues then I would call them out on it. |
Alessienne Ellecon
University of Caille Gallente Federation
13
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Posted - 2015.07.28 12:21:41 -
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Slept wrote:It's an Aless thing.... I have the full chat log, and at no point was any transgender corp mate mentioned. It mostly consists of aless randomly trolling:
Troll #1:
n++[ 2015.07.28 04:32:56 ] Alessienne Ellecon > if someone has a sex change, they are for all intents and prurposes that new gender
Troll #2:
n++[ 2015.07.28 04:38:47 ] Alessienne Ellecon > what is the problem then n++[ 2015.07.28 04:38:58 ] Alessienne Ellecon > what do you have against trans people?
Troll #3: (after things had actually settled down, making it even worse....)
n++[ 2015.07.28 04:56:03 ] Alessienne Ellecon > xxxxxxxxxx please share your thoughts on transgendered people
I agree if this mysterious corp mate even exists, please notify CCP of hate mail and get someone a deserved ban. But I'd put 1000USD on it just being aless trolling again.
I wasn't trolling. That'll be $1000 please. |
Hanna Lockhart
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2015.07.28 12:22:35 -
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This is a can of worms that shouldn't be opened. But if someone is harassing you then use a tried and true method: ignore and report the player. That tends to work better than complaining on the forum. |
Lucas Kell
Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance
6436
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Posted - 2015.07.28 12:23:26 -
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Alessienne Ellecon wrote:Crystalline Entity wrote:oh wow, this **** made it into eve as well it's not LGBT people's fault we're constantly having to defend ourselves. It kinda is. It gets thrust in people's faces with "YOU MUST ACCEPT THIS!" almost constantly. If the LGBT community didn't spend so much time trying to make sure everyone knows what they are and how proud they are, nobody would be saying a damn thing about it, because quite honestly, nobody cares. If you make it a big thing however, people will respond.
I'm with the others though. If there's harassment going on, petition it.
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Adrian Maifeld
Low-Sec Survival Ltd. Boys without pants
17
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Posted - 2015.07.28 12:25:31 -
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Darkblad wrote:Lan Wang wrote:why do you have the need to broadcast your sexual preference in an online game? Who are you to decide what people are allowed to be open with or not? Why do you consider talking openly about some part of yourself as something that should be remain hidden? Why would such question like yours not arise if someone "broadcasts" his less uncommon heterosexual preference in an online game (e.g. by posting images that strongly suggest one is heterosexual)? And finally, how do you know that she did "need to broadcast" that detail in the first place?
Simply this! Nothing more to say. |
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Lan Wang
V I R I I Ineluctable.
1246
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Posted - 2015.07.28 12:27:34 -
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Darkblad wrote:Lan Wang wrote:why do you have the need to broadcast your sexual preference in an online game? Who are you to decide what people are allowed to be open with or not? Why do you consider talking openly about some part of yourself as something that should be remain hidden? Why would such question like yours not arise if someone "broadcasts" his less uncommon heterosexual preference in an online game (e.g. by posting images that strongly suggest one is heterosexual)? And finally, how do you know that she did "need to broadcast" that detail in the first place?
im not deciding anything so stop getting angry, since when did a question become an demand? i dont really care to be honest if you're gay, straight, trans whatever, do what you want i just dont see why its even a topic for discussion on spaceship game.
its a bit like religion and all that other crap, yeah ok you follow religion, i dont so keep it to yourself as i dont really care and dont want to discuss or argue it when im relaxing in an online game.
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Xtreem
Echelon Research SpaceMonkey's Alliance
376
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Posted - 2015.07.28 12:30:48 -
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for every nice person who is supportive, nice, kind and accepting you have someone that is the opposite.
Unfortunately "internet warriors" half the time are not even bad people and just rant at anything to get a reaction or making others feel bad rather than dealing with their own issues.
My person ethic is: each to their own. |
Jenshae Chiroptera
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Posted - 2015.07.28 12:31:05 -
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War Kitten wrote:... Your sexuality really has no need to be shared in-game. For emphasise (This includes all the graphic descriptions of some jerk's conquests).
Transgender is misused as an unbrella term.
Transsexual - crossing physical sex. (In the process of or has changed their body to be the opposite sex) Transgender - crossing psychological identity. (Someone that feels male while being in a female body) Transvestite - cross dressing. (Wears clothing typically worn by the opposite sex.)
Trans-people is an acceptable pedestrian word for what most people mean.
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Lord Okinaba
Hidden Agenda
88
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Posted - 2015.07.28 12:53:36 -
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Avaelica Kuershin
Paper Cats
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Posted - 2015.07.28 12:56:41 -
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Lan Wang wrote:Darkblad wrote:Lan Wang wrote:why do you have the need to broadcast your sexual preference in an online game? Who are you to decide what people are allowed to be open with or not? Why do you consider talking openly about some part of yourself as something that should be remain hidden? Why would such question like yours not arise if someone "broadcasts" his less uncommon heterosexual preference in an online game (e.g. by posting images that strongly suggest one is heterosexual)? And finally, how do you know that she did "need to broadcast" that detail in the first place? im not deciding anything so stop getting angry, since when did a question become an demand? i dont really care to be honest if you're gay, straight, trans whatever, do what you want i just dont see why its even a topic for discussion on spaceship game. its a bit like religion and all that other crap, yeah ok you follow religion, i dont so keep it to yourself as i dont really care and dont want to discuss or argue it when im relaxing in an online game.
Now since you mentioned religion, there could well be a situation when a player mentions in passing that they'll be away for Eid al-Fitr (as an example) which leads to further questions and eventually leads to a nasty case of online bigotry.
Often it's not minorities pushing an agenda, but others making a big deal of something.
Something as simple as mentioning an anniversary dinner could turn ugly. |
Tam Arai
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
33
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Posted - 2015.07.28 12:57:24 -
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Xtreem wrote:for every nice person who is supportive, nice, kind and accepting you have someone that is the opposite.
Unfortunately "internet warriors" half the time are not even bad people and just rant at anything to get a reaction or making others feel bad rather than dealing with their own issues.
My person ethic is: each to their own.
i think (hope) it is not the 1:1 ratio you say. i think 99% are good people and supportive or don't care. only a small fraction are dicks |
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium. CODE.
13840
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Posted - 2015.07.28 13:02:34 -
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[quote=Lan Wang i dont really care to be honest if you're gay, straight, trans whatever, do what you want i just dont see why its even a topic for discussion on spaceship game[/quote]
Bingo. The ranting, whether it's genuine or more likely just trolling, does not belong here. Take the little crusade elsewhere.
If it bothers someone that much, report, drop corp (possibly after taking their stuff) and move on.
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Alessienne Ellecon
University of Caille Gallente Federation
14
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Posted - 2015.07.28 13:10:15 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:[quote=Lan Wang i dont really care to be honest if you're gay, straight, trans whatever, do what you want i just dont see why its even a topic for discussion on spaceship game
Bingo. The ranting, whether it's genuine or more likely just trolling, does not belong here. Take the little crusade elsewhere.
If it bothers someone that much, report, drop corp (possibly after taking their stuff) and move on. [/quote]
Typical CODE.
@LanWang This is a topic for discussion because the bigoted abuse is happening in the spaceship game and I feel that the community at large needs to be made aware. Don't be a twit. |
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
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Posted - 2015.07.28 13:10:58 -
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Talking about transgender harassment in a game where >50% of the characters are not of the same gender as their owners...?
Must be trolling.
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Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium. CODE.
13840
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Posted - 2015.07.28 13:13:41 -
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Alessienne Ellecon wrote: Typical CODE.
Yeah, how dare I ask someone to obey the rules?
You even had them restated for you by a dev themselves, and you still persist.
Quote: This is a topic for discussion because the bigoted abuse is happening in the spaceship game and I feel that the community at large needs to be made aware.
You feel wrong. Like I said before, take your angry ranting and your moral panic crusade elsewhere, it does not belong here.
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Neuntausend
Rens Nursing Home
254
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Posted - 2015.07.28 13:15:54 -
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baltec1 wrote:I often wonder if this is a high sec thing because I just don't see this kind of thing happen in game.
I think you are just flying with a pretty decent crowd in that regard. From my experience, even though goons are elitist bastards, they tend to come down on racists, sexists and other shitheads within their ranks with full force. So this is not a question of highsec or nullsec, but the people you tend to fly with and whether or not their group accepts such behaviour. |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
8873
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Posted - 2015.07.28 13:19:56 -
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Neuntausend wrote:baltec1 wrote:I often wonder if this is a high sec thing because I just don't see this kind of thing happen in game. I think you are just flying with a pretty decent crowd in that regard. From my experience, even though goons are elitist bastards, they tend to come down on racists, sexists and other shitheads within their ranks with full force. So this is not a question of highsec or nullsec, but the people you tend to fly with and whether or not their group accepts such behaviour.
Or he could just be lying. It wouldn't be the first time.
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Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
11966
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Posted - 2015.07.28 13:39:38 -
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Avaelica Kuershin wrote:
Now since you mentioned religion, there could well be a situation when a player mentions in passing that they'll be away for Eid al-Fitr (as an example) which leads to further questions and eventually leads to a nasty case of online bigotry.
Well, if the person is over-sensitive about their religion, mentioning a religious holiday is irresponsible, because it exposes that person to attention they don't want. This does not excuse the stupid person make stupid remarks, but if you open yourself up certain things, well, you opened the door.
One of the things the "oh my feelings" over-sensitive crowd doesn't understand is that the only thing you can REALLY control is yourself. Rather than understand that, they try to control others via various means. Lucas Kell is right*, some people just want to force acceptance rather than just equality and i think that's wrong. People are going to think and say what they want, and that's ok.
People here know some things about me like my ethnicity. Once, on team speak this well meaning "not a minority" guy said "I think groups like those sheet wearing racists should be banned". I disagreed, as long as they aren't hurting anyone and just expressing themselves and burning crosses on their land and not mine, have at it I say. Freedom doesn't just mean freedom for me and it sure as hell doesn't mean freedom from things I dislike.
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Celise Katelo
State War Academy Caldari State
132
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Posted - 2015.07.28 13:40:43 -
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My home city does this "Norwich Pride" , for every year.
Its a amazing event & lasts all day & then the party gets going at night. Its about bringing people closer together. Because lets face it, humans seem to divide each other on silly little things, but at the end of the day most of us are so similar no matter our gender or how we feel about each other.
MMO's like EVE online share this common goal, the community is what makes for such great fun
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Omar Alharazaad
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
2267
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Posted - 2015.07.28 13:43:22 -
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File the petition. Report away. Thereabouts lies the venue for fixing this crap. This is no different than someone going full racist, or hating on a specific religion. Deal with it as such. I'm all with CCP on this. This kind of thing should not be tolerated.
Do not. I repeat, DO NOT be the vegan bitching about bacon at a BBQ.
Don't get me wrong, I am an ally when it comes to gender equality and for that matter But if you are drumming up drama for the sake of a cause I will casually, and without changing expression, eat your face while you're screaming for mercy. In game, of course. Disclaimer: I'm pretty durnk right now... so take my rantblimgs as you will.
Come hell or high water, this sick world will know I was here.
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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
8875
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Posted - 2015.07.28 13:44:05 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Avaelica Kuershin wrote:
Now since you mentioned religion, there could well be a situation when a player mentions in passing that they'll be away for Eid al-Fitr (as an example) which leads to further questions and eventually leads to a nasty case of online bigotry.
Well, if the person is over-sensitive about their religion, mentioning a religious holiday is irresponsible, because it exposes that person to attention they don't want. This does not excuse the stupid person make stupid remarks, but if you open yourself up certain things, well, you opened the door. One of the things the "oh my feelings" over-sensitive crowd doesn't understand is that the only thing you can REALLY control is yourself. Rather than understand that, they try to control others via various means. Lucas Kell is right *, some people just want to force acceptance rather than just equality and i think that's wrong. People are going to think and say what they want, and that's ok. People here know some things about me like my ethnicity. Once, on team speak this well meaning "not a minority" guy said "I think groups like those sheet wearing racists should be banned". I disagreed, as long as they aren't hurting anyone and just expressing themselves and burning crosses on their land and not mine, have at it I say. Freedom doesn't just mean freedom for me and it sure as hell doesn't mean freedom from things I dislike. * Sidebar, that's the ONLY time I'll ever say that!!!!! *
Everything after the underlined can be ignored as the typical bleating from the straw man gallery.
Mr Epeen
There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass!
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Remiel Pollard
Black Hydra Consortium. CODE.
6671
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Posted - 2015.07.28 13:45:32 -
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Everyone in this game is just pixels to me. Preferably pixels I can explode. There's no place for gender politics in gaming, and EVE especially. We're above this crap, and you god damn well know it. If someone is being an actual ****, petition it. Kicking up a stink on the forums solves literally nothing.
GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'.
Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥
- Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
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Remiel Pollard
Black Hydra Consortium. CODE.
6674
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Posted - 2015.07.28 13:58:49 -
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Alessienne Ellecon wrote:
If you have a problem with trans people, if you can't accept that there are those who are willing and able to become another gender, I sincerely hope you are banned from EVE permanently because there is NOTHING that justifies bigotry against anyone. You can get away with a lot of shenanigans in the EVE universe, but tormenting a transgender player is not one of them. If you think that's OK, then I think it's OK to put my fist in your face.
It's this part of your post that annoys me. Really really pisses me off. If you think a fist in someone's face is going to change their mind, you probably need to reconsider your own anger issues first. Violence is not how you solve bigotry, and neither is permanently banning people from games. They'll still be bigots, whether you like it or not. Education solves bigotry, not authoritarian enforcement of subjective ideology.
Secondly, transgender is not "I want to be a different sex". That's gender dysphoria. Real transgenderism takes place when a male is born with partially formed ovaries, like my mate Issa, or a woman is born with partially formed testicles, or someone of one gender is born with biological aspects of the other. Transgenderism is BIOLOGICAL. Gender dysphoria is PSYCHOLOGICAL. Surgery solves the former, THERAPY solves the latter. This is not bigotry, this is just basic fact, and I felt the need to address this due to the potential you seem to have to misconstrue the difference and react incorrectly as a result. Especially when you threaten to punch people in the face.
Although I have to admit, it always amuses me a little when someone threatens to punch people over the internet.
Settle down, eat a Snickers, and remember, the answer to bigotry (which coincidentally is also the answer to social Marxist authoritarianism that the extreme left gender political mob seem to be aiming for) is education.
Also, get a permit. Being transgender is not a defence for illegal mining.
GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'.
Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥
- Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
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Webvan
All Kill No Skill
11567
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Posted - 2015.07.28 14:05:27 -
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This thread is still open? k.. The 'rule' thing must be working, can't seem insensitive by closing it. Rock and hard place. btw, who were you saying in the topic title you wanted to physically assault, exactly? Most interesting...
Ctrl+Alt+Shift+F12
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Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
11968
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Posted - 2015.07.28 14:07:58 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:Avaelica Kuershin wrote:
Now since you mentioned religion, there could well be a situation when a player mentions in passing that they'll be away for Eid al-Fitr (as an example) which leads to further questions and eventually leads to a nasty case of online bigotry.
Well, if the person is over-sensitive about their religion, mentioning a religious holiday is irresponsible, because it exposes that person to attention they don't want. This does not excuse the stupid person make stupid remarks, but if you open yourself up certain things, well, you opened the door. One of the things the "oh my feelings" over-sensitive crowd doesn't understand is that the only thing you can REALLY control is yourself. Rather than understand that, they try to control others via various means. Lucas Kell is right *, some people just want to force acceptance rather than just equality and i think that's wrong. People are going to think and say what they want, and that's ok. People here know some things about me like my ethnicity. Once, on team speak this well meaning "not a minority" guy said "I think groups like those sheet wearing racists should be banned". I disagreed, as long as they aren't hurting anyone and just expressing themselves and burning crosses on their land and not mine, have at it I say. Freedom doesn't just mean freedom for me and it sure as hell doesn't mean freedom from things I dislike. * Sidebar, that's the ONLY time I'll ever say that!!!!! * Everything after the underlined can be ignored as the typical bleating from the straw man gallery. Mr Epeen
It figures that any mention of a person's responsibility to one's self would be met with opposition from this particular poster. SJW revealed. |
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Anthar Thebess
1241
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Posted - 2015.07.28 14:13:09 -
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This is game, you can be whoever you want to be. Look how many female avatars we have in game - do you think that so many girls play this game?
Capital Remote AID Rebalance
Way to solve important nullsec issue. CSM members do your work.
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Alessienne Ellecon
University of Caille Gallente Federation
15
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Posted - 2015.07.28 14:31:10 -
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Remiel Pollard wrote:
Also, get a permit. Being transgender is not a defence for illegal mining.
Take your corp and your mining permit garbage* and stick them up your ass. CODE has no authority in Sinq Laison or anywhere else in the Federation.
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Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium. CODE.
13847
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Posted - 2015.07.28 14:36:04 -
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Alessienne Ellecon wrote: Take your corp and your mining permit garbage* and stick them up your ass.
On behalf of those who enjoy such things(because I don't, I just feel like butting in), I take offense at your analphobic remarks, you bigot.
Quote: CODE has no authority in Sinq Laison or anywhere else in the Federation.
As the sole sov holders of highsec, we absolutely do.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
Best Meltdown Ever.
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Lan Wang
V I R I I Ineluctable.
1261
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Posted - 2015.07.28 14:39:52 -
[54] - Quote
if this thread is a troll i hope you get perma-banned
EVEALON Creative - Logo Design & Branding | Digital Design
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Robert Caldera
Caldera Trading and Investment
1047
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Posted - 2015.07.28 14:45:24 -
[55] - Quote
people tend to dislike transgenders and homosexuals, deal with it. |
Alessienne Ellecon
University of Caille Gallente Federation
15
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Posted - 2015.07.28 14:48:36 -
[56] - Quote
Robert Caldera wrote:people tend to dislike transgenders and homosexuals, deal with it.
Bite me. |
Lan Wang
V I R I I Ineluctable.
1262
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Posted - 2015.07.28 14:50:50 -
[57] - Quote
you are proving that you yourself are also a bigot, reporting this because its pointless now
EVEALON Creative - Logo Design & Branding | Digital Design
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Adrian Maifeld
Low-Sec Survival Ltd. Boys without pants
17
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Posted - 2015.07.28 14:54:09 -
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Robert Caldera wrote:people tend to dislike transgenders and homosexuals, deal with it. why? |
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CCP Phantom
C C P C C P Alliance
5967
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Posted - 2015.07.28 14:56:20 -
[59] - Quote
The EVE Online Terms of Service are very clear on this subject, especially point 1 - 4.
- You may not abuse, harass or threaten another player or ... This includes, but is not limited to [...] sending excessive e-mails, EVE-mails
- You may not use any abusive, defamatory, ethnically or racially offensive, harassing, harmful, hateful, obscene, offensive, sexually explicit, threatening or vulgar language.
- You may not organize nor be a member of any corporation or group within EVE Online that is based on or advocates any anti-ethnic, anti-gay, anti-religious, racist, sexist or other hate-mongering philosophies
- You may not use GÇ£role-playingGÇ¥ as an excuse to violate these rules.
If you notice any actions that violate the EVE EULA or TOS, please contact Customer Support via support ticket.
CCP Phantom - Senior Community Developer - Volunteer Manager
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