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Depp Knight
Evolution
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.08.06 13:42:00 -
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The pilgrim will soon be broken as this nos nerf seems to be happening. To use neuts you need med cap booster, you will need a med armor rep.
To get them to fit you will need to drop a mwd for ab, making the pilgrim worse or fitting power grid rigs, which means you can no longer fit a 800mm plate, which makes the pilgrim even worse.
So your setup will look something like
HI. 3 neuts which will cost you an extra 75 in pg compared to named nos(thanks nos nerf)
MED ab (yep no longer a mwd) scram, web and or damps/tracking disruptors, med cap booster.
LOW Med armor rep, some armor resistance
Rigs probably PG to fit a plate or upgrade ab to mwd.
So not only has the nos nerf taken away the pilgims cap weapon, it now is slower, has less of a tank and now realise on cap boosters to get anything done. In other words, close to useless.
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Aaron Mirrorsaver
The Coalition Of Buccaneers
Mercenary Services
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Posted - 2007.08.06 16:35:00 -
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why would you want three medium neuts?
the NOS when it drains with the nerf is still the same as the previous drain amount, just that it takes other things into consideration before draining, which determine whether it drains or not.
this equaled (with recon level 4) 10 energy drained roughly per second using an e50 medium NOS. So a setup that included two medium nos usually only drained 20 energy per second.
1 medium neut 50W infectious will nuke 324 energy with level 4 recon, divided by 12 seconds thats 27 energy nuked per second. So if you are trying to get the pilgrim at least NEAR to where it was before in terms of taking the enemies cap, one medium neut is all you need, and it accomplishes more than two medium NOS. And one booster would be able to sustain your medium armor repairer and your medium neut. 3 neuts NO, one NEUT yes...
So I am saying 3 medium neuts will nuke a targets cap so fast that it depends what you're really going for. If you solo hunting npcers, its always best to kill as fast as possible, give backup less chance to arrive in time, and the faster you kill the cap, the faster the armor goes down and the faster he dies.
Im just trying to show you that you dont need to put on 3 neuts for them to be as effective as 3 nos, because neuts are so more powerful, don't drain, but in the end the effect is the same on the target, whether you get the energy or not, his cap is gone.
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Depp Knight
Evolution
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.08.07 02:20:00 -
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One neut will drain more cap than 2 nos's. So if you were to go against a cruiser he will have less cap by % than yourself just because of the neut.
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Gozmoth
Amarr
Altera Odyssea
Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2007.08.07 11:05:00 -
[64]
Well nobody have a good idea for the pilgrim ?
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Ashaz
Mindstar Technology
United Confederation of Corporations
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Posted - 2007.08.07 11:51:00 -
[65]
I can see how the neut setup will work great for draining it down. but once drained, how do you keep him empty without draining yourself completely aswell?
iDrone |
TheEndofTheWorld
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Posted - 2007.08.07 11:52:00 -
[66]
 Originally by: Gozmoth
Well nobody have a good idea for the pilgrim ?
Hmmm... medium autocannons t2?
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Aaron Mirrorsaver
The Coalition Of Buccaneers
Mercenary Services
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Posted - 2007.08.07 15:56:00 -
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Edited by: Aaron Mirrorsaver on 07/08/2007 15:57:22
he'll kep himself empty by running his own tank, and draining himself. plus once you hit zero, even his own hardeners will drain anything he has left.
depp, my point is you'll have to rely on cap injection to survive once the target and even before the target is out of cap.
could also engage only one nos, with all your modules to keep your cap up through most of the fight, then when you think his is about half, kill the rest of it with the neut and then turn on your cap booster.
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Lithel
Amarr
Shadows of the Dead
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Posted - 2007.08.07 15:59:00 -
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Edited by: Lithel on 07/08/2007 15:59:32
Originally by: Abbadon Wrath
Originally by: Chedburn
Edited by: Chedburn on 04/12/2006 18:41:56
I'm going to be trying out this setup, with recon ships V it leaves 5PG and 9CPU left which is a good sign.
[ 1 | 0] Covert Ops Cloaking Device II
[ 175 | 20] Medium Diminishing Power System Drain I
[ 175 | 20] Medium Diminishing Power System Drain I
[ 175 | 20] Medium Diminishing Power System Drain I
[ 1 | 48] Tracking Disruptor II
[ 1 | 48] Tracking Disruptor II
[ 1 | 30] Warp Scrambler I
[ 1 | 22] Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I
[ 150 | 50] Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive
[ 173 | 28] Medium Armor Repairer II
[ 1 | 44] Armor Kinetic Hardener II
[ 1 | 44] Armor Thermic Hardener II
[ 2 | 30] Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
[ 200 | 24] 800mm Reinforced Crystalline Carbonide Plates I
A microwarpdrive to escape in those sticky situations when you really shouldn't have engaged that raven.
Mind telling me why you have a mwd on a cov-ops? You are wasting cap/pg/cpu on something you are never going to actualy use.
He already did:
Originally by: Chedburn
Edited by: Chedburn on 04/12/2006 18:41:56
A microwarpdrive to escape in those sticky situations when you really shouldn't have engaged that raven.
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RobGee Nuk
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Posted - 2007.10.04 04:25:00 -
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I was looking at the Pilgrim and i was thinking of using it for a different role then its intended for.
This is a gang only set up since you will not have a web or a scrambler.
High: Cloak and some guns.
Med: 2x Sensor Dampners t2, 2x Jamers t2 and 1x MWD(MWD for tight situations where you need to escape or soemthing.)
Lows: In here you would build a tank. Put rat spesific hardeners a plate or make it nano what ever suits you.
Drones: 5 Light ECM Drones, and 5 Medium Scout Drones for damage.
Basicaly i was thinking as a Jammer ship and support.
I didnt do calculations to see if it will al fit or if its gona work. I just had this idea of using the Pilgrim this way instead of cap draining. Since it has 5 Medium Slots i assumed it can be a good EW ship.
What do you guys think? will that kinda setup work?
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Dano Sarum
Amarr
Chuskarl's Family
Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.10.04 12:19:00 -
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Edited by: Dano Sarum on 04/10/2007 12:20:28
Edited by: Dano Sarum on 04/10/2007 12:19:23
The Pilgrim is not supposed to be a jammer ship. I'd go for the traditional energy drain/neut fittings...
I'll try your fitting, but im skeptical about that. It would be nice if you pew pew in fleet, but if you go around soloing i guess that the "traditional" fitting with nos/neuts would be better.
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RobGee Nuk
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Posted - 2007.10.14 18:33:00 -
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Well i tried, the jammers and the result wasnt what i expected, so im thinking of using dampners instead.
Is it a good idea to shield tank a pilgrim? 5 medium slots, i was thinking of using 2 dampeners and then 3 slots for shields and then use the lows to increase shield recharge rate or whatever and maybe put some Overdrives t2 so that i can travel fast cloaked? Think a shield tanked pilgrim for gang only warfare is viable? What type of setup would you guys fit for a shield tank? and what about rigs?
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Cailais
Amarr
VITOC
Fang Alliance
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Posted - 2007.10.14 19:32:00 -
[72]
Originally by: RobGee Nuk
Well i tried, the jammers and the result wasnt what i expected, so im thinking of using dampners instead.
Is it a good idea to shield tank a pilgrim? 5 medium slots, i was thinking of using 2 dampeners and then 3 slots for shields and then use the lows to increase shield recharge rate or whatever and maybe put some Overdrives t2 so that i can travel fast cloaked? Think a shield tanked pilgrim for gang only warfare is viable? What type of setup would you guys fit for a shield tank? and what about rigs?
3 shield mods and 2 damps will prob get you killed. Damp ships rely on keeping the target(s) at range - without a mwd they'll close and you're toast: you'd be better off using the Lachesis tbh.
You could try a rack of guns - that sometimes comes as a suprise to your target as theyll try and orbit outside you neut range, then are often thrown as your guns open up, but its a short lived tactic.
For the time being my pilgrim is just used as a bigger cov ops frig, and I ferry stuff around with it. Its not really a combat capable ship unless you are lucky and find some hapless soul alone in a belt afk ratting.
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RobGee Nuk
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Posted - 2007.10.14 21:58:00 -
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Damn that sucks, i was realy hoping to fly a cov ops ship. I huess ill just try some other ship class. Cuz i dont want to train another race.
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Aaron Mirrorsaver
R.E.C.O.N.
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Posted - 2007.10.15 05:21:00 -
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still using my pilgrim, still getting success. (and no not against NON pvp fitted ships)
no problems. Prefer killing cap faster with neuts, and I used neuts before the NOS nerf.
if you think you were meant to fly around solo uncloaked and engage and wtfpwn things 1-1 (like you can fidn someone 1-1 without back up nearby anyhow,) then keep doing so and saying it sucks. If you use it like it was meant to, then it's just as good.
but w/e
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Verton
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Posted - 2007.10.26 03:38:00 -
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Originally by: Aaron Mirrorsaver
still using my pilgrim, still getting success. (and no not against NON pvp fitted ships)
Aaron:
Do you mind posting your fitting.
Here is my post NOS-nerf Pilgrim:
Highs
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Covops Cloak (duh! haha)
1 x Named NOS
2 x Named Neut
Mids
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2 x Balmer series tracking inhibitors
1 x Cap booster
1 x Named ECM burst
1 x Fleeting Warp Scrambler
Lows
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2 x Faction EANMs
2 x MARIIs
1 x (whatever) I chose an Inertial stab
No rigs yet - Not sure which ones to put on it.
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ReePeR McAllem
The Carebear Stare
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Posted - 2007.10.26 03:49:00 -
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My pilgrim pwns, quite reluctant to share oh well.
High,
2 x Medium Unstable Neut
1 x Small Unstable Neut
1 x Covert Ops Cloak
Mid,
1 x Warp Disruptor II
1 x Fleeting Web
1 x Medium Electochem
2 x Balmer Tracking Disrupts
Low,
1 x MAR II
1 x 1600mm RT
1 x EANM II
1 x DCU II
1 x True Sansha Thermic Energized
1 x Anti-Exp Pump
1 x Anti-Kin Pump
Gives nice resists and 7.5k armor HP with resists around the 80's mark.
Can run all mods with the 400 charges from the injector.
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Aaron Mirrorsaver
R.E.C.O.N.
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Posted - 2007.10.26 06:28:00 -
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Edited by: Aaron Mirrorsaver on 26/10/2007 06:30:09
well finally, carebear stare guy posted the best available setup.
Its exact to mine, and it is what I have been pvping with since the nerf. Except I use 2 EANM II, instead of 1 and 1 dcu II. However, if you use a ship fitter, I believe he gets slightly more hit points using the dcu II. I avoid using DC on ships with little hull HP, I'd use it on ships with a lot of structure HP, carriers, BS, bc's.. etc...
if your in structure in a recon, with 1000 HP your dead :)
And my resists are like 75 average across the board, with the kin/therm pump , those two would be in the 80's.
You could also try 2 trimark armor pumps, to get 9000+ armor.
I currently do not use an MWD. Though I would fit it if required, but in an all recon gang with rapiers, I am more the tanking/dps guy.
my setup with recon 4
high:
2x 50w neuts, cloak
mid:
2x balmer
1x med chem booster
1x faint warp prohibitor
1x x5 web
low:
1x 1600mm, 1x MAR II, 2xEANM II, 1x Thermic II
no rigs.
With recon 5 I use a warp disruptor II.
Passive is best tank because if your out of cap, your armor doesn't melt like wet tissue.
In your setup verton, you have no web or mwd (unless I oops its 2a.m) how do you plan to keep them in your optimal when you decloak next to them?
edit: I said to you I wouldn't share this but with my corp members, even the carebear stare guy said he was reluctant to share his, the thing is not sharing but people complaining it was totally useless. And I am sure he isn't lying when he says his setup pwns.
Part of my reasoning is if everyone keeps saying it sucks and the pilgrim pilots stop buying, then the price goes down even further than 50 mil :) Good reasons huh? Let's hope not too many notice this nice fitting :)
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Corwain
Gallente
Down In Flames
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Posted - 2007.10.26 08:05:00 -
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Originally by: ReePeR McAllem
My pilgrim pwns, quite reluctant to share oh well.
Gives nice resists and 7.5k armor HP with resists around the 80's mark.
Can run all mods with the 400 charges from the injector.
Doesn't fit (PG, not CPU, I have Eng V, Elec V), cap isn't stable even w/ max skills.
Are you using implants?
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Verton
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Posted - 2007.10.26 13:56:00 -
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Originally by: Aaron Mirrorsaver
In your setup verton, you have no web or mwd (unless I oops its 2a.m) how do you plan to keep them in your optimal when you decloak next to them?
Valid point. Most people are to busy trying to get away when I decloak. They usually don't even try to approach and get to their optimal range. You'll notice that I also have an ECM burst fitted. I have found this very useful because in addition to the tracking inhibitors, the ECM frequently breaks their lock, therefore lowering their DPS significantly.
Originally by: Aaron Mirrorsaver
Part of my reasoning is if everyone keeps saying it sucks and the pilgrim pilots stop buying, then the price goes down even further than 50 mil :) Good reasons huh? Let's hope not too many notice this nice fitting :)
hehe... very true. Yes, the Pilgrim sucks... Everyone stop buying it. :) /me gets out of the shiny red and gold Absolution and blows the space dust of of his trusty old Pilgrim.
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Kali Ananda
Minmatar
Prophets Of a Damned Universe
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Posted - 2007.10.26 16:16:00 -
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I am confused by all these posts with no MWD, or even an AB. Are these all low-sec set ups you are listing? After flying the pilgrim since the first month they were out, I can say I have yet to find a set up that feels comfortable flying against my old targets.
Kali Ananda
POD-U
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Aaron Mirrorsaver
R.E.C.O.N.
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Posted - 2007.10.26 16:47:00 -
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no,
I am saying to you in the gang, with support, from other recons, the pilgrim doesn't need MWD. If a target or targets are long range webbed by a rapier, where is it going, people don't seem to realise either that each race recon were made to complament each other, complament each other's weaknesses and strengthen each other, and this is the idea behind my corp. (shameless plug)
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