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Cartellus	Posted - 2006.12.04 14:29:00 - [1] Hi all, show some appreciation for the new wonderful Minmatar BS and post some ideas for PVP setup. Is it just a better version of the sniper tempest? Would the bonus be better with AC and close combat? Is it worth the price? Thanks
Ishana Minmatar The Black Rabbits	Posted - 2006.12.04 14:40:00 - [2] i think the general consencus is: No. No. and No. The typhoon and tempest can do the same if not better at lower cost. _________________________________________________________
Twilight Moon Minmatar Malicious Intentions	Posted - 2006.12.04 14:44:00 - [3] Boycott the Maelstrom, if no-one uses the damn thing perhaps CCP will look at it. (Empty Space - Thinking)
Testy Mctest	Posted - 2006.12.04 14:55:00 - [4] Originally by: Twilight Moon Boycott the Maelstrom, if no-one uses the damn thing perhaps CCP will look at it. I predict the Mael will not get fixed until Kali-2 or Kali-3. Remember this thread. Bookmark it. I bet I'm right. Scrapheap Challenge Forums
Fogy Caldari Euphoria Released Euphoria Unleashed	Posted - 2006.12.04 14:59:00 - [5] Edited by: Fogy on 04/12/2006 15:01:54 I buoght a maelstrom the 2nd day after Revelation was deployed.. Tried some diferent settups on it, and imo.. its useless. like stated above: bouth the Tempest and the phoon does a better jobb at a lover cost. Problems with the maelstrom: shield tank bonus, For fleet fights, you want to use as many of the middslotts for sensorboosters / tracking computers. you can however dropp one of each leaving you with a targeting range of bearly 200km, and a optimal range of 152km with t2 1400mm's if you sacrefice a lovslott for a tracking enhancer. BUT a 2 slott shield tank isnt gona help you much. For close range: you basicly want a mwd, scram, webby (you can use webber drones but when/if they gett popped your in some deep **t).. leaving 3(4) slotts for a shield tank. Here you probably want a injector, so your down to 2(3) midslotts for tanking again. webber drones can be a vial tactik, but loos them, and you'll find yourself with a megathron or hyperion tearing through your 3 slott shield tank.. You can however use it in gang's with a close range settup, no scrambler and/or no webby. giving you a 3 slott shieldtank with a injector. I would think the typhoon can dish out more dmg, and / or tank better, and if bouth should fail, you can just run away. for fleet, the tempest has a better edge with the cookiecutter fleet settup of 6x1400mm's mix of sensor boosters / tracking computers in midds.. and the 3x gyro t2, and 2x 1600mm plates with a rcu to fitt it all. Basicly you fail to use the shield boost bonus wich ever way you go. The dps from the maelstrom is only 0.5 gun worth over a tempest anyways, and thats not adding dmg from missiles/drones. And I fail to see how the +50mill you'd have to pay for one, can compensate for that. so, in the end. It's a PVE shipp, not a PVP shipp. and the discription of it beeing a jack of all trades is Bull **t.. unless you read it in the carebearway, Mission running and mining Cheers! Fogy "From my rotting boddy flowers shall grow and I am in them, and that is eternity"
Cartellus	Posted - 2006.12.04 15:28:00 - [6] Thanks for all your comments guys. The thing that sucks the most is the fact that I HAVE ALREADY BLOODY BOUGHT ONE!!!!!!!!!!! Your comments, all valid, and the ones alrady posted in other treads, make me think that perhpas is better to sell it and buy an end of line equipped tempest or keep it and use it for mining!!!!!!!! (as for ratting i much better prefere my jaguar). Thanks agian for your reply
Pesadel0 Vagabundos THE H0RDE	Posted - 2006.12.04 16:07:00 - [7] Highs-+full rack of small lasers(with t2 ammo)and doesnt use ammo . Meds-+1xcapital shield booster,1xweb,the rest capbooster (for maintaining cap ) Lows-Fiting modules and 3 stabs. I tested this setup vs a drake and i won in test server.
EvilTwin I Implant Liberation Front	Posted - 2006.12.04 16:18:00 - [8] Originally by: Pesadel0 I tested this setup vs a drake and i won in test server. hOrray?
Pesadel0 Vagabundos THE H0RDE	Posted - 2006.12.04 18:07:00 - [9] Originally by: EvilTwin I Originally by: Pesadel0 I tested this setup vs a drake and i won in test server. hOrray? Horrayyyyyyyyyyyy....
Tiuwaz Minmatar Omacron Militia	Posted - 2006.12.04 18:12:00 - [10] Edited by: Tiuwaz on 04/12/2006 18:12:28 High: 8x neutrons II Med: mwd, web, scram, heavy cap booster, 2x tracking disruptor Low: 2x LAR II, 2x EANM, 1 DC oh and pesalde0s setup is wiiiin, hoooooray for the mael Originally by: Gallente Information Ministry A Myrmidon pilot with 5 heavy drones is a bad pilot, someone who dies to him can only be worse.
Ath Amon	Posted - 2006.12.04 18:26:00 - [11] 8 large smarbobms (2x type) 1 sensor booster, 1 invul, 1 small shield booster, 3 cap rechargers 2 small armor rep 3 cap rechargers at gate camps... good disco music, pump up the volume, turn on everything and you are the "soul" of the party
chillz Minmatar	Posted - 2006.12.04 18:45:00 - [12] The Maelstrom looks like a missioning ship to me. ----------------------------------- A gun and a packet of sandwiches. "When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro." - Hunter S Thompson
Ishana Minmatar The Black Rabbits	Posted - 2006.12.04 18:53:00 - [13] Originally by: chillz The Maelstrom looks like a missioning ship to me. Typhoon is better hands down _________________________________________________________
Haurik Tagelston	Posted - 2006.12.04 19:23:00 - [14] It's the minmatar mining ship. No more no less, stop complaining you non-miners!
Tiuwaz Minmatar Omacron Militia	Posted - 2006.12.04 19:25:00 - [15] Originally by: Haurik Tagelston It's the minmatar mining ship. No more no less, stop complaining you non-miners! Rokh outmines mael as it can fit more mining upgrades due to the higher base cpu nerf the ROKH! Originally by: Gallente Information Ministry A Myrmidon pilot with 5 heavy drones is a bad pilot, someone who dies to him can only be worse.
HankMurphy Pelennor Swarm Eternal Rangers of Terror	Posted - 2006.12.04 21:02:00 - [16] I paid 65mil for my Hurricane. And i'd pay that much for everydamn one after this one! i love the hurricane. the maelstrom? well, i'm a sucker for new ships. but i sat there looking at the bonus' and stats and looking back at my tempest and said no way. I'd like to sit in it just to check out the hull, but I cannot justify buying it. It makes no sense as a ship and i'm not gonna waste my money on it. Guess i need to fit a named T1 Rohk for fleet combat
HankMurphy Pelennor Swarm Eternal Rangers of Terror	Posted - 2006.12.04 21:09:00 - [17] Originally by: Testy Mctest Originally by: Twilight Moon Boycott the Maelstrom, if no-one uses the damn thing perhaps CCP will look at it. I predict the Mael will not get fixed until Kali-2 or Kali-3. Remember this thread. Bookmark it. I bet I'm right. i predict they will leave it as is. its the new phoon. ------------------------------- Dr. Weir: What about my Maelstrom? You can't just leave her! Capt. Miller: I have no intention of leaving her, Doctor. I will take the Lewis and Clark to a safe distance, and then I will launch FoF missiles at Maelstrom until I'm satisfied she, her crappy shield bonus and her low speed are vaporized. F*** this ship!
Grimpak Gallente Celestial Horizon Corp. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.12.04 21:12:00 - [18] Originally by: HankMurphy Dr. Weir: What about my Maelstrom? You can't just leave her! Capt. Miller: I have no intention of leaving her, Doctor. I will take the Lewis and Clark to a safe distance, and then I will launch FoF missiles at Maelstrom until I'm satisfied she, her crappy shield bonus and her low speed are vaporized. F* this ship! thread winner! ------- Originally by:** Tiuwaz for caldari perception weapons that hit up to 100km are short range weapons
Jet Collins Dynamic Endeavors	Posted - 2006.12.04 21:13:00 - [19] Havn't tried it yet except in 1v1 on test server. But yes CCP will probably say its ok ment to be a gang ship like every other minmatar ship. US minmatar are not suppost to win 1v1 didn;t you know its 5 minmatar vs 1 other race . naaa we arn't that bad Dynamic Endeavors is now Recuiting.!! Contact me in game for deatails about the corp. Mostly a PvE corp, with Jump clones avaiale in Empire and 0.0.
Cilppiz FinFleet Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.12.04 22:40:00 - [20] Originally by: Cartellus Thanks for all your comments guys. The thing that sucks the most is the fact that I HAVE ALREADY BLOODY BOUGHT ONE!!!!!!!!!!! Your comments, all valid, and the ones alrady posted in other treads, make me think that perhpas is better to sell it and buy an end of line equipped tempest or keep it and use it for mining!!!!!!!! (as for ratting i much better prefere my jaguar). Thanks agian for your reply Reprocess it. I heard its decent turning into minerals, might not be as good as other tier3 BS's but atleast its better on that field than Pest and Phoon. una salus victis nullam sperare salutem
Tharim Minmatar Code-Blue	Posted - 2006.12.04 23:15:00 - [21] It for sure isnt a mission ship. Tempest is better, and a Machariel isnt that much more expensive than a mael. Its a pointless ship. Someone come up with one thing it can do better than our other battleships! Giving the minmatarrs a shield tanking battleship feels like someone is laughing at us up there in Iceland. They have allways said that the Caldaris needed a Gunnery battelship. I think its strange why they dont use the same logic with the other races. Using that logic, you can easily say that Gallente needs a missile ship, the Ammars needs a drone ship, and the bloody minnies need a ew ship.. But no. The minnies clearly needed a a shield tanking ship wich is in no way better than the allready existing battleships. Shield tanking, i mean..come on! why?? www.eve-files.com/media/0602/CCP_tharim.gif[/IMG] Please resize image to a maximum of 400 x 120, not exceeding 24000 kbs, ty - Cortes
Ruciza	Posted - 2006.12.05 00:41:00 - [22] Edited by: Ruciza on 05/12/2006 00:49:48 Edited by: Ruciza on 05/12/2006 00:47:14 Originally by: Cartellus Hi all, show some appreciation for the new wonderful Minmatar BS and post some ideas for PVP setup. Is it just a better version of the sniper tempest? Would the bonus be better with AC and close combat? Is it worth the price? Thanks Yes, it does more damage sniping, but not "just". No, it is just different with AC Yes, it is a great ship, and fully insurable like the two others. Keep in mind that nobody of the posters here has used the Mael for more than a couple of hours, if at all. Saying that the booster bonus is useless is like saying that Brutix can't tank, Hype can't tank, Myrm can't tank, Cyclone can't tank. Actually the Mael tanks better than a Raven, the King of shield tanks so far, the tank of which is probably totally useless for PvP too...whatever. In large fleets with concentrated fire, tanks don't matter anyway, and that 20-25% resist bonus of the Rokh will not really prevent its quick demise. What I see is a super-high damage, super-tank ship. Oh noes, it can't tackle. It is not meant to. Oh noes it is slow. Every tier 3 is, and the Mael is even second. It is a superheavy battleship, and those aren't fast. All who say that the Typhoon tanks better or does more damage has not understood ship statistics. Mael has more cpu and after skills almost double the pg of the phoon. It has 50% more hp in its primary tanking method. It has a tanking bonus the Raven pilot can only dream of, including a better shield recharge rate even without a booster. It outperforms the Tempest both in fleets and in smaller gangs where you don't need to tackle on your own. And I have heard of people who do solo pvp in shield ships, now how about that. It has a big dronebay, put some webber drones in there and you have the speed advantage. Oh noes, webber drones can be shot down! The damage your drones take you don't take, and then you are in range and open up with your Autocannons + gyros. If it were faster than other battleships what chance would they have? Would this be balanced? The Tempest has 2 utility/launcher slots, and it better should have, since the Mael would otherwise steamroll it. The Mael is more expensive, but it also tanks much, much better, and has more damage in certain situations, like all the tier 3's. If you don't want to spend Isk on something better then don't do it. I know what my next battleship will be: The Mealstrom.
Pan Crastus	Posted - 2006.12.05 01:43:00 - [23] Originally by: Ruciza Yes, it does more damage sniping, but not "just". No, the Tempest does more damage. If you disagree, post some numbers, but you'll be disagreeing with Tux too. ;-) Quote: What I see is a super-high damage, super-tank ship. lol. Maybe you're looking at the Myrmidon or something.
Tiuwaz Minmatar Omacron Militia	Posted - 2006.12.05 02:18:00 - [24] Originally by: Ruciza stuff I severely doubt you have even spent 5 minutes in a maelstrom. Besides your char screams alt, 2 months olds and never left newb corp, yeah looks like an expert to me so how are the fleet ops nowadays in the Military Public school? must have been quite an experience when you instapopped that veld roid with your reaper friends tempest > mael :for fleet typhoon > mael :for gang tempest > mael :for solo typhoon > mael :for ratting/missions mael > temp/typh :for mining mael > temp/typh :for baiting if your an alt then grow a ball and post with your main Originally by: Gallente Information Ministry A Myrmidon pilot with 5 heavy drones is a bad pilot, someone who dies to him can only be worse.
kublai Short Attention Span	Posted - 2006.12.05 04:38:00 - [25] Serves you matar right for making your ships out of discareded amarrian spare parts and super glue. On a more serious note, the whiners in this thread are the retards getting killed ratting in low sec with civillian shield boosters. Instead of complaining get creative and DO something about your new ship, it's hardly hit jita and you've deemed it useless? Go play world of warcraft if you can't churn up something usefull yourselves. Please resize image to a maximum of 400 x 120, not exceeding 24000 bytes, ty. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] - Cortes
Mjnari Empyreum	Posted - 2006.12.05 06:35:00 - [26] Originally by: kublai Serves you matar right for making your ships out of discareded amarrian spare parts and super glue. I thought it was the Amarr who used discarded Minmatar guns? (couldn't resist) ------------------------ Minmatar, It should be like going down a flight of stairs on an office chair shooting an Uzi.
Trojanman190 Caldari Entropy Tech. Blood Raiders Alliance	Posted - 2006.12.05 06:39:00 - [27] Originally by: kublai Serves you matar right for making your ships out of discareded amarrian spare parts and super glue. On a more serious note, the whiners in this thread are the retards getting killed ratting in low sec with civillian shield boosters. Instead of complaining get creative and DO something about your new ship, it's hardly hit jita and you've deemed it useless? Go play world of warcraft if you can't churn up something usefull yourselves. Useful, very useful. Unless you have a fit that actually works or proof that the ship is useful, plz stay out of this thread. Dudes like you bring down the forums. An ok setup... 8x 1400mm with EMP L 2x Tracking Comp 1x XLarge, 1 X shield booster amp. 1x Painter, 1x hardener. 2x Tracking Comp, 3x Gryo. Good close range support with a tank strong enough to last at close range. Only trouble is that I already do very similar setups with my tempest.... THe problem is the ship duznt exactly "suck" its just not better then the tempest at anything except tanking with its shields. This means it comes into a role that is already very well filled, and there-in lies the problem.
Susa Ou	Posted - 2006.12.05 07:20:00 - [28] Its not a 'bad' ship, but its simply too expensive to justify. The tempest does a fraction less damage, but its cheaper. The Typhoon simply owns at close range AC setups and has the right speed and agility to do just that, the Mael is not a good AC boat for all the reasons the Typhoon is. So for 180+ mil, why buy a ship that does one things slightly better (I mean very very slightly here), and costs 2 1/2 times more then our very good AC boat. . . Simply put, people who fly them now are either rich and simply want to own the new boat (more power to them), or are very rich and don't really understand Matar ships much. . .either case - the thing will die in pvp.
Raven DeBlade Caldari Bladerunners Mordus Angels	Posted - 2006.12.05 08:27:00 - [29] Maelstrom is useless, and so is Rokh, you can do better with other cheaper ships. They are "ok" as PvE ships, but hardly anything else. "To hunt pirates you need time and patience, because even monkeys fall from the trees"
Thor Xian Vertigo One E.A.R.T.H. Federation	Posted - 2006.12.05 09:10:00 - [30] Originally by: Pan Crastus Originally by: Ruciza Yes, it does more damage sniping, but not "just". No, the Tempest does more damage. If you disagree, post some numbers, but you'll be disagreeing with Tux too. ;-) Tux being wrong wouldn't surprise anyone. But the Maelstrom does do more damage than the Tempest if you only consider the guns. 6x1.25=7.5 8>7.5 If anything, flying the Maelstrom into PvP is a lot like flying the Apoc into PvP, sure you can do it...and you may even win, but you might as well have spent less on something better for the job. ~Thor Xian, Material Administrator "For all your Material Needs, Vertigo One." Corp/Alliance Services

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