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guinea12
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Posted - 2015.08.20 13:02:12 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:Malcanis wrote:Lucas Kell wrote:Malcanis wrote:Well I ask because apprently you're so unfamiliar with the state of 0.0 that you're unaware that the sov map is vastly more heterogenous than it was. I'd say "vastly" is an overstatement. Some of the russian borderland have been hacked up and a couple of groups have pulled out of null, but the changes haven;t been that big. My comment however was simply that you've taken 2 different style of map and compared them. Why not use the same type of map if you want to get across how much the landscape has changed? If you could link a more up to date bloc map I'd be delighted to use it. I don't have such a map. If you don't either, then it's probably better to simply avoid suggesting that looking at 2 different types of map shows the change. Maybe at some point someone that cares enough about such things will roll out a decent analysis of the changes.
I believe somebody already does care enough.
There you go:
http://dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/coalitionsov/Coalitioninfluence.png
Malcanis made the very good point that the notion that every bit of space needs to be owned by someone all the time is rather toxic.
I agree. Why shouldn't we have bits of space that, simply for the fact that the current 0.0 powers right now are not interested in having it or capable of defending it remain in freeport mode until someone steps up to tries and live in it, remain unallocated? |
guinea12
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Posted - 2015.08.20 17:25:21 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:Thanks, got another one with the same groupings from last year? No. The map is generated on a daily basis. I don't know if past maps are stored somewhere.
Lucas Kell wrote:Doesn't it make you wonder though why the space is so worthless that nobody wants to claim it? I can't stick a broken fridge outside my house for more than 10 minutes before someone's claimed it. How badly balanced do null systems need to be for them to be so unwanted? I like that analogy. The reason why someone takes the fridge is because it is obviously worthless to you but not to them. Would they wrestle a pitbull for it? No. But if its previous owner doesn't want it anymore, they might as well take it and see if they can find a use for it somehow. I would love the new mechanic to lead to that kind of thing in terms of 0.0 space. |
guinea12
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Posted - 2015.08.20 21:25:20 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:guinea12 wrote:Lucas Kell wrote:Thanks, got another one with the same groupings from last year? No. The map is generated on a daily basis. I don't know if past maps are stored somewhere. That's a shame. Acutally, k898 was right. They are stored on eve files. Here's the one from exactly one year ago.
http://dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/coalitionsov/Coal20140820.png
Lucas Kell wrote:It's not that it's completely useless, it's that it's low value. In massive quantities it's OK. To most people though taking a few systems is worth less than just moving into a WH or living in NPC null, and none of it is really worth massive battles these days, hence the lack of real conflict in null. It'd be nice if there were good reasons to fight over it. You mean, like, economical reasons? Like one of the powerblocks going "oh **** we're so poor, we really need that one constellation the other powerblock has, in order to pay our bills so let's fight them over it"?
I am not entirely sure that that is a likely scenario |
guinea12
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Posted - 2015.08.23 07:39:06 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:The more you have, the easier it is to defend. If you're fully utilising your space, then 100 people working in 2 systems will be more efficient that 2 sets of 50 in one each. Scaled up that continues, so when you hold a couple of constellations and fully utilise it, the effort to defend it balances out better with the rewards from it. Yes. Have your space and live in it and you will reap the rewards. Watching the tournament yesterday, I saw ads aimed at carebears that offered space to pve in. Unsurprisingly, those ads were made by the Imperium as they seem to have understood how this new sov mechanic works and are adapting. More people in 0.0 gives more targets to roaming gangs, makes more need for defensive gangs, makes more pvp content. I hope, we can agree that that's a good thing.
Lucas Kell wrote:Most people aren't having fun even when playing it as Aegis sov. Mate... it's a mining laser and a structure. That's what the bulk of the mechanic is. Add to that the most efficient way of attacking sov is by using lots of uncatchable ships, and it's a textbook example of a bad mechanic. The mechanic should be engaging and fun for all parties, but it's not. Clearly there are plenty of groups of people who see it as nothing but a chore to play whack-a-mole to defend systems. That too is a good thing. It should require effort to defend your space so that you only defend your space if you acutally need it. By the way. Fighting for sov has only ever been interesting if someone fights back. This has not changed since the servers booted up for the first time and it will not change until the day CCP pulls the plug.
Reading some of the posts in this thread, I wonder if anyone has actually bothered to watch this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ao20T98MoMk
The reasoning behind Aegis sov is explained quite well by Fozzie himself.
With every major change, the community that is affected goes through different stages. That is not very surprising. The quality of your particular alliance can, as always, be determined by how fast you reach the final stage. Already, some seem to have reached that final stage. The names of these stages are: Denial, Anger, Bargaining, Depression and Acceptance
If your alliance reaches that final stage last, it wasn't any good to begin with. Just saying. |
guinea12
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Posted - 2015.08.23 11:11:09 -
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Be honest. Have you watched the video? |
guinea12
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Posted - 2015.08.23 11:56:07 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:guinea12 wrote:Be honest. Have you watched the video? Nope. I was in the audience. That must have been awesome. I admit, I am a bit jealous. Reading through some of the things you posted, I would have never guessed. |
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