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Ghoest
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Posted - 2006.12.04 19:21:00 -
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Edited by: Ghoest on 04/12/2006 19:22:22 I dont see why it would be but I want to check. All these are when you scan and drop in on a high sec misssion runner.
-tagging mission rats for bounty
-out right killing all the mission rats for bounty
-looting all the cans, assuming you wont be attacked because the mission runner is engaged with NPCs
-killing the rat that drops the mission specific item and taking the item, then ransoming it to the mission runner.
-killing the spawn trigger NPCs so they misssion runners dies
Wherever you went - here you are.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2006.12.04 19:31:00 -
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no exploit, only griefing maybe, if done repeatedly and for no (big) profit to you other than annoying the PvE-er(s) _____ -sig-
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Patch86
Di-Tron Heavy Industries Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2006.12.04 19:35:00 -
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The only one thats a bit on the iffy side might be the first one, but even that I highly doubt it. -----------------------------------------------
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Verus Potestas
Caldari Perkone
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Posted - 2006.12.04 19:36:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T no exploit, only griefing maybe, if done repeatedly and for no (big) profit to you other than annoying the PvE-er(s)
All of that is profitable.
Between corps atm, the NPC one is strictly a temporary thing. RAWR!111 Sig Hijackz0r!!11 - Immy |
Matalino
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.12.04 19:46:00 -
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Originally by: Ghoest -killing the rat that drops the mission specific item and taking the item, then ransoming it to the mission runner.
This will get you flagged according to the KB, but otherwise sounds like legit use of game mechanics. I doubt it will win you any friends though.
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Ghoest
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Posted - 2006.12.04 19:52:00 -
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Ya that one will get you flagged - but if your in a HAC its unlikely the mission runner is going to attack you for it.
Wherever you went - here you are.
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Patch86
Di-Tron Heavy Industries Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2006.12.04 19:58:00 -
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Originally by: Ghoest Ya that one will get you flagged - but if your in a HAC its unlikely the mission runner is going to attack you for it.
Depends what the runners in. Domi > HAC any day. -----------------------------------------------
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Galk
Gallente Autumn Tactics All the things she said
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Posted - 2006.12.04 20:05:00 -
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Originally by: Ghoest -killing the rat that drops the mission specific item and taking the item, then ransoming it to the mission runner.
If this happens to anybody, petition it straight away.
It was classed as an exploit/greifing a long time ago. ______
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Ghoest
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Posted - 2006.12.04 20:19:00 -
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Why is that exploit and nothing else on the list is?
The unwritten exploit rules of EVE are too complicated.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2006.12.04 20:25:00 -
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Edited by: Akita T on 04/12/2006 20:25:37
Originally by: Ghoest The unwritten (and bannable if you attempt to write them) exploit/griefing rules of EVE are way too complicated.
Corrected and QFFT. The double F was intentional. _____ -sig-
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Galk
Gallente Autumn Tactics All the things she said
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Posted - 2006.12.04 20:29:00 -
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The rest of it could be considered harrasment if somebody continiously targeted an individual... per the eula.
But that one with the mission item that stops you from completing is considerd to be greifing, it was classed as such in early 04 if i remember right.
Don't get me wrong, the lot is lame, but whatever. ______
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Ghoest
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Posted - 2006.12.04 20:37:00 -
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There would be no reason pick on one person. Just go to one of the now popular high sec lvl 4 mission systemms and screw over who ever you scan.
Wherever you went - here you are.
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Nymos
Celtic Anarchy Anarchy Empire
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Posted - 2006.12.04 20:42:00 -
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Originally by: Galk
Originally by: Ghoest -killing the rat that drops the mission specific item and taking the item, then ransoming it to the mission runner.
If this happens to anybody, petition it straight away.
It was classed as an exploit/greifing a long time ago.
if it's an exploit, where is that stated? and why did ccp dumbify scanning then? yea the old system was retarded, but looking at how easy it is to scan stuff now it sure attracts "griefers". if i had the scanning skills i'd do it too lol. only got astrometrics 3 and cov ops 4, not gonna waste time on all the new scanning skills so it takes me longer to finish a scan than a 5au probe lives :P
i'm interested in what ccp wants to do about it now. nerf probes? why "improve" them in the first place then? make mission pockets unscannable? why? that affects low-sec and 0.0 mission running as well and there you sure as hell need the possibility to scan out mission runners. move all lvl4 missions to low-sec --
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Galk
Gallente Autumn Tactics All the things she said
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Posted - 2006.12.04 20:49:00 -
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Edited by: Galk on 04/12/2006 20:49:56 Trust me, im 100% sure per the last offical word on the subject, you steal a mission item that stops the missioner from completing the mission... he has every right to petition you for greifing.
Anyone care to confirm thats still the case, it was 2 years ago.
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Ghoest
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Posted - 2006.12.04 21:01:00 -
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CCP should make a list of blatently obvious ideas that they have decided are exploits.
I understand not publishing stuff thats a exploiting a bug. But these seems just as reasonable as pirating to me.
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Jiekon
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Posted - 2006.12.04 21:06:00 -
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I`ll see if i can get an *official* answer from a senior member of the dev team tomorrow regarding these issues.
As far as i'm concerned, nothing in the list is an exploit. But i don't have the final say in the matter so my personal view may be different from CCP's official view.
If in doubt, petition and let the GM's handle it ^_^ ___________________________ ~Jiekon
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Ghoest
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Posted - 2006.12.04 21:57:00 -
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Thanks Jiekon. In quite interested to exactly what is allowed.
Wherever you went - here you are.
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Ithildin
Gallente The Corporation The Corporation Alliance
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Posted - 2006.12.04 22:02:00 -
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I shouldn't think any of that will ever be an exploit, but they might (and possibly should) protect mission triggers so that only the mission runner can pick up the intended items, etc. (ukillable and unlootable cans for non-mission owner) - EVE is sick. |
Michayel Lyon
The Corporation
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Posted - 2006.12.04 22:15:00 -
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Originally by: Jiekon If in doubt, petition and let the GM's handle it ^_^
Yeah, that worked out great in the big IPO scam debacle.
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Galk
Gallente Autumn Tactics All the things she said
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Posted - 2006.12.04 22:27:00 -
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Hope so jeirkon.
But im still 100% sure 2 years ago when sh*tnitz were going around stealing mission completion persific items to stop people completing missions.
You classed it as petitionable greifing.
Tbh im shocked you see nothing wrong with that in principle, even if you were unaware. ______
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Malthros Zenobia
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
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Posted - 2006.12.04 22:58:00 -
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Originally by: Ghoest Ya that one will get you flagged - but if your in a HAC its unlikely the mission runner is going to attack you for it.
Unless they're in a CBC.
Originally by: kieron The Carrier was never intended to be a solo OMGWTF mission-farming PWNmobile.
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Malthros Zenobia
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
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Posted - 2006.12.04 23:02:00 -
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Originally by: Michayel Lyon
Originally by: Jiekon If in doubt, petition and let the GM's handle it ^_^
Yeah, that worked out great in the big IPO scam debacle.
The only thing CCP did wrong in the IPO debacle was that they gave the scammed players the isk they lost, which was quite possibly the worst thing they could've done (espeically since they didn't gave it to the other guy as well, thus just adding 40billion isk or so to the game), since they pretty much backed a bunch of people who got scammed, but only in that scam and no other.
As far as IPOs go, the extent of GM intervention should be:
GM: Did he exploit a game mechanic or violate the EULA/TOS? Player: Well uh, no but I say they grieved me. (aka I was gullable) GM: No reason for us to be involved, scamming is a part of EVE. *petition closes*
Originally by: kieron The Carrier was never intended to be a solo OMGWTF mission-farming PWNmobile.
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Ghoest
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Posted - 2006.12.05 20:14:00 -
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Jiekon did you find out anything?
Wherever you went - here you are.
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Jiekon
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Posted - 2006.12.05 20:50:00 -
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Originally by: Ghoest Jiekon did you find out anything?
Not yet, sorry. Things were a little hectic with the patch going out today ___________________________ ~Jiekon
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Matalino
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.12.06 19:55:00 -
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Edited by: Matalino on 06/12/2006 19:59:02
Originally by: Galk Hope so jeirkon.
But im still 100% sure 2 years ago when sh*tnitz were going around stealing mission completion persific items to stop people completing missions.
You classed it as petitionable greifing.
You would think that if this were petitionable 2 years ago they would have done something more than just add criminal flagging to prevent it. Obviously there is code in place to handle this, as the NPC carrying the mission specific loot is not handled the same way as the other NPC.
Originally by: Galk Tbh im shocked you see nothing wrong with that in principle, even if you were unaware.
Of course I see something wrong with it in principle, but that is why you are criminally flagged for taking mission specific loot regarless of who killed the NPC. Do you need CONCORD to show up and ensure that you can finish all your missions?
Originally by: Jiekon As far as i'm concerned, nothing in the list is an exploit. But i don't have the final say in the matter so my personal view may be different from CCP's official view.
I totally agree with Jiekon. Hopefully we can get an official answer on this so that we can put the matter to rest.
Edit - Maybe it was petitionable 2 years ago, before they *fixed* it with criminal flagging. Without criminal flagging there was really no defence. Now there is a little defence, even if it takes some planning on your part.
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Serapis Aote
TBC
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Posted - 2006.12.06 20:14:00 -
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Edited by: Serapis Aote on 06/12/2006 20:18:25
Originally by: Jiekon I`ll see if i can get an *official* answer from a senior member of the dev team tomorrow regarding these issues.
As far as i'm concerned, nothing in the list is an exploit. But i don't have the final say in the matter so my personal view may be different from CCP's official view.
If in doubt, petition and let the GM's handle it ^_^
Can you also ask them how the hell the mission runner is suppose to avoid a standing loss if some of those things are done..he cant bloody well shoot the guy to stop him from doing it, its high sec. And not everyone loots the mission rat container, some peeps just blow it up and warp out.
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ThisIsAScam
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Posted - 2006.12.06 20:21:00 -
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yes it is a huge exploit this is definitely playing the game illegally definitely against the rules of playing the game anyone who does this should be banned forever
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ThisIsAScam
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Posted - 2006.12.06 20:22:00 -
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this is a huge technical exploit a patch should be released to fix this immediately
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BustyBounty
Caldari Vengeance of the Fallen Imperium Alliance
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Posted - 2006.12.06 20:25:00 -
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Edited by: BustyBounty on 06/12/2006 20:26:12 this games one big joke if any of those are considered an exploit. why should mission npcs be any different than belt rats when it comes to player interference? one step closer to a PVE game if there an exploit ------------------------------------------ My opinions are my own and not that of the alliance I belong to. |
Kylania
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.12.06 20:28:00 -
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Originally by: ThisIsAScam yes it is a huge exploit this is definitely playing the game illegally definitely against the rules of playing the game anyone who does this should be banned forever
The answer Jiekon will come back with will probably be "it's always been allowed before" or something equally meh. The difference is that it's completely effortless now, while before there was at least enough annoyance to make sure it didn't happen constantly.
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