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Christopher Multsanti Euphoria Released Euphoria Unleashed	Posted - 2006.12.04 19:32:00 - [1] We had an encounter with you guys a few weeks ago, just after a little more info, I heard that this is a new Merc Alliance. So are you going down the same road as MC, are you full time mercs? Which corps are in your alliance? Will you do contract annoucements? Do you mostly do empire contracts or 0.0, do you live in empire or 0.0? Will you being a public announcement of your services etc. I was just interested if anyone knew about them? [ER Public Relations Officer] [Is main activated, check, Post!]
Imode Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.12.04 19:40:00 - [2] http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=402585 Might be what you're looking for. ____________________________
Christopher Multsanti Euphoria Released Euphoria Unleashed	Posted - 2006.12.04 19:42:00 - [3] why thank you, that was exactly what i was after [ER Public Relations Officer] [Is main activated, check, Post!]
zincol S.A.S	Posted - 2006.12.04 21:39:00 - [4] Will you build 4 outposts?
ParMizaN Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.12.04 22:19:00 - [5] Originally by: zincol Will you build 4 outposts? Hey! They're, "strategic attack platforms!"
Skrypt Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.12.05 01:20:00 - [6] I've got to see these boys fly, and while new, they've looked pretty impressive. If you're looking for mercs, I believe they're cheaper and much more capable than even KIA. Some class act pilots too. My hats off to them. ___________
Blacklight Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.05 01:32:00 - [7] They do indeed seem to be a good bunch. Blog
Xianthar Sha Kharn Corp Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.12.05 05:39:00 - [8] Originally by: Blacklight They do indeed seem to be a good bunch. i would hope you would think so considering you've hired them or are they just hanging out in ascn space in your gangs for fun? -xian
Blacklight Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.05 06:02:00 - [9] Originally by: Xianthar Originally by: Blacklight They do indeed seem to be a good bunch. i would hope you would think so considering you've hired them or are they just hanging out in ascn space in your gangs for fun? -xian Only BoB in BoB gangs and we have hired no mercs. You need to improve your intel, again. Blog
Gierling Gallente Celestial Fleet Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.12.05 06:22:00 - [10] Blacklight, I try not to post here but I'll break that silence just this one time. Whether knowingly or unknowingly they are fighting in AZN and to date they have only been on ASCN Killmails. Say what you will but if they were freelancing they'd have killed some Bob as well (Especially the times when a BOB Dictor and support were present). I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and believe that they are freelancing, however I will say it is a bit strange to see RKK as tacklers on some of these killmails. It makes it look like collussion (as if they are gentlemanly agreeing to shoot ascn and not shoot you and some of your pilots are accepting its either tacit collusion or an uncharacteristic breech of BOB's legendary protocol) And yes, I know I mispelled collussion...

Omeega Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2006.12.05 06:27:00 - [11] hey! we flight 5j out of AZN but I didn't recieve a paycheck for that! Don't speak english. F1,f2,f3...
Matrices Reborn	Posted - 2006.12.05 07:09:00 - [12] Edited by: Matrices Reborn on 05/12/2006 07:12:18 Edited by: Matrices Reborn on 05/12/2006 07:10:54 You need to improve your propaganda, again. FOFF flying in BoB gangs, in ASCN space, as part of squads to attack ASCN. If it walks like a duck and it talks like a duck... Quack, quack. Give you a few hours to retract your false statement lying to the Eve community, out of professional courtesy, then we post the evidence from a screenshot taken tonight of a BoB/FOFF gang in Feyth.
Hans Roaming Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.12.05 09:56:00 - [13] Some good guys in that alliance, waves to you all .o/
Christopher Multsanti Euphoria Released Euphoria Unleashed	Posted - 2006.12.05 10:03:00 - [14] Originally by: Gierling Blacklight, I try not to post here but I'll break that silence just this one time. Whether knowingly or unknowingly they are fighting in AZN and to date they have only been on ASCN Killmails. Say what you will but if they were freelancing they'd have killed some Bob as well (Especially the times when a BOB Dictor and support were present). I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and believe that they are freelancing, however I will say it is a bit strange to see RKK as tacklers on some of these killmails. It makes it look like collussion (as if they are gentlemanly agreeing to shoot ascn and not shoot you and some of your pilots are accepting its either tacit collusion or an uncharacteristic breech of BOB's legendary protocol) And yes, I know I mispelled collussion... That would make sense seeing as they are BOB renters currently living in Paragon Soul. [ER Public Relations Officer] [Is main activated, check, Post!]
Blacklight Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.05 10:11:00 - [15] Originally by: Gierling Blacklight, I try not to post here but I'll break that silence just this one time. Whether knowingly or unknowingly they are fighting in AZN and to date they have only been on ASCN Killmails. Say what you will but if they were freelancing they'd have killed some Bob as well (Especially the times when a BOB Dictor and support were present). I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and believe that they are freelancing, however I will say it is a bit strange to see RKK as tacklers on some of these killmails. It makes it look like collussion (as if they are gentlemanly agreeing to shoot ascn and not shoot you and some of your pilots are accepting its either tacit collusion or an uncharacteristic breech of BOB's legendary protocol) And yes, I know I mispelled collussion... Nobody said they were freelancing, I merely said we didn't hire them. Do you lot ever get any good intel? I'm sure you'll work it out in time but really, you need to work on the fact that such simple things are always a surprise to you. Blog
Christopher Multsanti Euphoria Released Euphoria Unleashed	Posted - 2006.12.05 10:12:00 - [16] I had some good intel, and you never replied to that! [ER Public Relations Officer] [Is main activated, check, Post!]
Blacklight Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.05 10:12:00 - [17] Originally by: Christopher Multsanti I had some good intel, and you never replied to that! I don't need to really, you rabble rousing trouble maker Blog
Christopher Multsanti Euphoria Released Euphoria Unleashed	Posted - 2006.12.05 10:19:00 - [18] Originally by: Blacklight Originally by: Christopher Multsanti I had some good intel, and you never replied to that! I don't need to really, you rabble rousing trouble maker Well trouble is my middle name, so here goes, Lets hope they never fly through Q and pass any FIX on the way: Originally by: rhen Travel rights in Q should be out of the quiestion as far as i understand the agrement whith Bob, since Foff are enemies of FIX. I also think it should be made clear to Bob (if they are unaware, which i doubt) that they are in fact aiding enemies of FIX,by taking them on as renters Originally by: Soyemia I will shoot were they blue or not. They suck. they deserve to die. Originally by: DeadZ0ne I say we let them come thru and while they are hauling stuff out of the area..opps! overview bugs galore! Pop their indys and/or freighters and take their stuff. And when they fire back we toast em all! Umm, they fired first!!! And yea, I'm in the mass agreement here...FOFF are KOS. Originally by: Bioweapon If they are renters in Paragon Soul they won't be granted travel rights in Q. If they show up in Q they will get popped. Anybody who says otherwise was obviously not here when they screwed us during the CODA war. Originally by: Avernus We'll be talking about this with BoB. there is 4 pages of this stuff it's great. [ER Public Relations Officer] [Is main activated, check, Post!]
Seleene Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.12.05 10:26:00 - [19] Originally by: ParMizaN Originally by: zincol Will you build 4 outposts? Hey! They're, "strategic attack platforms!" Quite right! Go back to griefing CVA, Zincol, and stop talking about my WMD storage areas. Originally by: Blacklight Originally by: Christopher Multsanti I had some good intel, and you never replied to that! I don't need to really, you rabble rousing trouble maker I was going to say something but it seems I already have. - Oz's Tourney Betting Pool
Pathfinda75 Caldari Federation of Freedom Fighters Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2006.12.05 11:46:00 - [20] Originally by: Christopher Multsanti Originally by: Blacklight Originally by: Christopher Multsanti I had some good intel, and you never replied to that! I don't need to really, you rabble rousing trouble maker Well trouble is my middle name, so here goes, Lets hope they never fly through Q and pass any FIX on the way: Originally by: rhen Travel rights in Q should be out of the quiestion as far as i understand the agrement whith Bob, since Foff are enemies of FIX. I also think it should be made clear to Bob (if they are unaware, which i doubt) that they are in fact aiding enemies of FIX,by taking them on as renters Originally by: Soyemia I will shoot were they blue or not. They suck. they deserve to die. Originally by: DeadZ0ne I say we let them come thru and while they are hauling stuff out of the area..opps! overview bugs galore! Pop their indys and/or freighters and take their stuff. And when they fire back we toast em all! Umm, they fired first!!! And yea, I'm in the mass agreement here...FOFF are KOS. Originally by: Bioweapon If they are renters in Paragon Soul they won't be granted travel rights in Q. If they show up in Q they will get popped. Anybody who says otherwise was obviously not here when they screwed us during the CODA war. Originally by: Avernus We'll be talking about this with BoB. there is 4 pages of this stuff it's great. So thats why I cant get alum access in there forums....... sniff

Avernus Gallente Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.12.05 11:47:00 - [21] Originally by: Christopher Multsanti Originally by: Blacklight Originally by: Christopher Multsanti I had some good intel, and you never replied to that! I don't need to really, you rabble rousing trouble maker Well trouble is my middle name, so here goes, Lets hope they never fly through Q and pass any FIX on the way: Originally by: rhen Travel rights in Q should be out of the quiestion as far as i understand the agrement whith Bob, since Foff are enemies of FIX. I also think it should be made clear to Bob (if they are unaware, which i doubt) that they are in fact aiding enemies of FIX,by taking them on as renters Originally by: Soyemia I will shoot were they blue or not. They suck. they deserve to die. Originally by: DeadZ0ne I say we let them come thru and while they are hauling stuff out of the area..opps! overview bugs galore! Pop their indys and/or freighters and take their stuff. And when they fire back we toast em all! Umm, they fired first!!! And yea, I'm in the mass agreement here...FOFF are KOS. Originally by: Bioweapon If they are renters in Paragon Soul they won't be granted travel rights in Q. If they show up in Q they will get popped. Anybody who says otherwise was obviously not here when they screwed us during the CODA war. Originally by: Avernus We'll be talking about this with BoB. there is 4 pages of this stuff it's great. Two things can be learned from this.... 1. FIX forum security sucks pretty bad. 2. Rank and file FIX don't like FOFF a whole lot. Blog
SamuraiJack Caldari Celestial Horizon Corp. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.12.05 12:05:00 - [22] Originally by: Avernus 2. Rank and file FIX don't like FOFF a whole lot. FOFF arent liked alot by many. I got a fair few complaints when we set standings to them... And a good few cheers when i reset them -ve. SJ. ASCN HC Community Manager ASCN Diplomat CLS Director =-
welsh wizard Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2006.12.05 12:37:00 - [23] Originally by: ParMizaN Originally by: zincol Will you build 4 outposts? Hey! They're, "strategic attack platforms!" BL's breweries tbh. Originally by: anonymous If you're being chased by a police dog, try not to go through a tunnel, then on to a little seesaw, then jump through a hoop of fire. They're trained for that.
Maladrax Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2006.12.05 12:40:00 - [24] Edited by: Maladrax on 05/12/2006 12:41:30 oops
Scius Amarr Federation of Freedom Fighters Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2006.12.05 12:46:00 - [25] Originally by: SamuraiJack Originally by: Avernus 2. Rank and file FIX don't like FOFF a whole lot. FOFF arent liked alot by many. I got a fair few complaints when we set standings to them... And a good few cheers when i reset them -ve. Same here, we set you blue and lost ships, 'oh sorry, some have yet to set them' was the reply, as to FIX, we'll thats old news, they needed to blame someone and it was an honour to be rated so highly that a whole region fell because of one corp. Today is a new day and we have set standings accordingly, nothing last forever but we sure as hell enjoy ourselfs. Scius - Director FOFF (SPUFF to fixies)
SamuraiJack Caldari Celestial Horizon Corp. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.12.05 13:19:00 - [26] I set you on allaince standings. Go figure. SJ. ASCN HC Community Manager ASCN Diplomat CLS Director =-
Jean Contraband Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.12.05 13:20:00 - [27] when did all this drama take place and how long are those involved planning on grieving over it? any merc corp/alliance will eventually do some 'work' that will be frowned upon by ppl... it's unavoidable tbh, but holding grudges is just silly imo afaic executive outcomes are a good bunch of guys (is the nine gates still in there? /me waves to jason :) )
Rhen Caldari Swedish Aerospace Inc Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.12.05 13:44:00 - [28] Edited by: Rhen on 05/12/2006 14:01:55 They wernt mercs back then. And dont think it was the loss of space that created the grudge, rather joining the enemy after... But anyway i think mercs seems a good fit for FoFF just as long as they dont eccidently backstabs themselfs Just making conversation.
Mariko San Saints Surrounded	Posted - 2006.12.05 13:48:00 - [29] I guess most people have an issue with so called merc corps that just go looking for ganks when the work is not there, which seems to be the case with these guys if they have not in fact been hired by anyone. Either you are a professional merc or a pirate that sometimes mercs, nothing bettr or worse about either but helps to be clear on how you intend to play.
Pathfinda75 Caldari Federation of Freedom Fighters Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2006.12.05 13:58:00 - [30] Originally by: SamuraiJack I set you on allaince standings. Go figure. So your pilots dont know how to properly set up their overview. Go figure.

Profilexero No Quarter.	Posted - 2006.12.05 14:44:00 - [31] Originally by: Pathfinda75 Originally by: SamuraiJack I set you on allaince standings. Go figure. So your pilots dont know how to properly set up their overview. Go figure. BURN
Avernus Gallente Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.12.05 14:53:00 - [32] Edited by: Avernus on 05/12/2006 15:01:42 Edit: Got to love having the forum log you out 2 minutes after you hit reply... Originally by: Scius as to FIX, we'll thats old news, they needed to blame someone and it was an honour to be rated so highly that a whole region fell because of one corp. Scius - Director FOFF (SPUFF to fixies) Having the majority of POS in the system, then making a deal with SA and pulling out with no notice (instantly losing FIX sovereignty in the system), wasn't exactly something that FIX rated 'highly', or considered something of an honour that you got to bestow upon yourselves. Each to their own values though. Blame didn't really get set in stone until FOFF joined Huzzah a couple of weeks later and moved back into FAT. Nope... I don't see Alumni forum access coming along anytime soon (besides, killed that section months ago). To Fixians, especially the older guys, avoid posting here. Thanks. Blog
SamuraiJack Caldari Celestial Horizon Corp. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.12.05 15:00:00 - [33] Originally by: Pathfinda75 So your pilots dont know how to properly set up their overview. Go figure. I dont care. You are -ve. Enjoy being shot. SJ. ASCN HC Community Manager ASCN Diplomat CLS Director =-
Scius Amarr Federation of Freedom Fighters Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2006.12.05 15:15:00 - [34] Edited by: Scius on 05/12/2006 16:12:01 I must Apologies to FIX for dragging history up, we both have our views and stand by them, these are new days and we have moved on. Good luck to all sides, keep it clean and smack free. Scius FOFF Director EXE do not post here again.
Martinez Federation of Freedom Fighters Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2006.12.05 16:07:00 - [35] Originally by: Avernus Edited by: Avernus on 05/12/2006 15:01:42 Edit: Got to love having the forum log you out 2 minutes after you hit reply... Originally by: Scius as to FIX, we'll thats old news, they needed to blame someone and it was an honour to be rated so highly that a whole region fell because of one corp. Scius - Director FOFF (SPUFF to fixies) Having the majority of POS in the system, then making a deal with SA and pulling out with no notice (instantly losing FIX sovereignty in the system), wasn't exactly something that FIX rated 'highly', or considered something of an honour that you got to bestow upon yourselves. Each to their own values though. Blame didn't really get set in stone until FOFF joined Huzzah a couple of weeks later and moved back into FAT. Nope... I don't see Alumni forum access coming along anytime soon (besides, killed that section months ago). To Fixians, especially the older guys, avoid posting here. Thanks. If by majority of the pos you mean the one pos set up by foff. It just happened to be the only one in system set up properly and the one that all of fix came to. As for pulling out without notice, what more notice did you need. well held fat as long as we could against sa, huzzah, and kaos. 2 weeks + with the help of a i think 2 other corps of the 15 to 18 that where in fix at the time. yes we did join huzzah but it was much longer than a few weeks later. also we joined huzzah, with huzzah leadership knowing we would be leaving to form our own alliance when we where ready. Silly fixys, Facts are good pvp corps
Capt Harlock Band of Builders Inc. Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.12.05 16:12:00 - [36] Out of respect for avernus and application of self discipline I will decline to comment. Except to say good luck to euphoria in their future endevours. Have fun thats what its all about.
Avernus Gallente Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.12.05 16:13:00 - [37] Originally by: Scius I must Apologies to FIX for dragging history up, we both have our views and stand by them, these are new days and we have moved on. Good luck to all sides, keep it clean and smack free. Scius FOFF Director Apology accepted, and I'm going to bow out of this thread... too flammable for my tastes. Blog
R0NIN Amarr Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.12.05 17:26:00 - [38] signed Out of respect for Avernus and application of self-discipline (being a first hand witness/participant to those events) IÆll be joining Capt HarlockÆs ôdecline to commentö club. Except to say good luck to euphoria in their future endeavors. Have fun thatÆs what its all about!
Tessa Vaako Ars Caelestis Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.12.05 18:54:00 - [39] So... Ars C shot FoFF, then shot from beside FoFF then didn't shoot FoFF and now we're back to shooting FoFF. I wonder what tomorrow will bring. -- Just how awesome are you BoB?
Farham Gallente AWE Corporation Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.12.05 18:59:00 - [40] Edited by: Farham on 05/12/2006 19:34:21 Quote: Nobody said they were freelancing, I merely said we didn't hire them. So you want to play the "semantics" game? No, you didn't pay them ISK so you can say you didn't hire them. You did cut a deal with them for 0.0 space, they move 60ish+ ships into the PS area over the weekend and all the sudden they are helping you defend the AZN POS last night. That's as good as hiring them for anyone with more than average intelligence. I would think if your prior words were true, BOB would insist that these guys stay out of your gangs and not be seen "helping you" or people might rightfully declare you aren't doing things on your own. You can control information but you can't control what people see. Either way, welcome to the party EO.

Metal Dude Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.05 19:21:00 - [41] Emm, how many allinces and mercs are helping ASCN in this war? People that live in glass houses should not be throwing stones. The truth will set you free
Slowboat Interspace Trade Consortium	Posted - 2006.12.05 19:31:00 - [42] Ahh.. but you see there is a difference. As far as I recall ASCN never said they weren't hiring mercs. They most definitely never said that nobody could go into ASCN and help shoot BOB. From day one of the conflict BOB has stated categorically that they did not need OR want anyone else helping them. But I guess you would rather not recall those statements. Right?
Farham Gallente AWE Corporation Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.12.05 19:32:00 - [43] Edited by: Farham on 05/12/2006 19:35:05 Edited by: Farham on 05/12/2006 19:32:58 Quote: Emm, how many allinces and mercs are helping ASCN in this war? People that live in glass houses should not be throwing stones. Let me try slowly. ASCN has made no bones about admitting nor actually hiring mercs to help. They have been an invaluable asset for us. Omni did a fantastic job. BOB, in the form of Mr. Blacklight, having stated these guys weren't hired is being pointed out as very disingenuous. There are more ways to pay a merc group like EO than in ISK, territory in 0.0 even if it is "rented" is one of them. There is no shame in admitting you have them helping, only in hiding behind semantics trying to deny it. Unless you want to tell over 150 people they didn't see EO defending the BOB POS last night in AZN.
Christopher Multsanti Euphoria Released Euphoria Unleashed	Posted - 2006.12.05 19:32:00 - [44] Originally by: Farham Either way, welcome to the party EU. You mean EO or what ever their alliance ticker is, we arn't involved in this. [ER Public Relations Officer] [Is main activated, check, Post!]
Farham Gallente AWE Corporation Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.12.05 19:34:00 - [45] You are correct Christopher Multsanti, I tend to be dyslexic before enough coffee is in me :) It is EO we are talking about, not EU.
Matrices Reborn Ars Caelestis Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.12.05 19:40:00 - [46] Edited by: Matrices Reborn on 05/12/2006 19:41:38 What a joke. The level of snip- Don't go there- Tirg deception over a video game of all things is amusing. Step 1: BoB claim to be "elite" and fighting by themselves. Step 2: Very skilled merc group FOFF, forming backbone of Executive Outcomes, live and operate in PS at BoB's allowance, fighting against ASCN at BoB's behest. Step 3: Because FOFF and BoB CEOs did not dress up in Versace suits and exchange pesos near New Mexico, there has been "no hiring of merc corp." Bottom line: BoB hires merc corp to plug in their springing leaks in manpower and time zones with a capable PvP powerhouse. Directly contradicting their own previous propaganda about fighting alone. Which, incidentally, was nonsense in the first place, since BoB's economy depends partly on the rent received from slave corps that populate BoB space, and outnumber BoB itself by a factor of 5:1. Now I can see why more intelligent people avoid these forums. Too much repulsive lies and spinning; enough to make a dradle blush. [Ars Caelestis] [ASCN]
Blacklight Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.05 19:46:00 - [47] The level of stupidity in this thread is quite entertaining. We populate our regions, you know this. Take your tinfoil hats off. Blog
Farham Gallente AWE Corporation Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.12.05 20:05:00 - [48] Quote: The level of stupidity in this thread is quite entertaining. Quote: We populate our regions, you know this. Quote: Take your tinfoil hats off. Ahh yes, the every popular Tin Foil Hat defense. When in doubt and caught red handed, call people conspiracy nuts. Why would thinking you cut a deal with a Merc alliance, which has well known access to capital ships and skilled pilots, in which they get space as long as they help you against ASCN during your weak Time Zone coverage be Tin Foil Hat stuff? They move in over the weekend and show up defending your POS in AZN a day later which is not your territory(regardless of what you might think). Had they been seen defending a POS in GQ2 or PPT you might have a point. You brought in backup and they are in full use now as of last night. You and yours can say its nothing and try and use the lame Tin Foil Hat thing but everyone else can see it from a mile away. Again, welcome to the fight EO.
Dianabolic Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.05 20:21:00 - [49] Well tbh guys we'd love to allow and invite incomptents in to our space to populate it with us, but they all joined ASCN so we were left with people that you lot are afraid of. Get over it. Originally by: CRYVOK Others, like BoB, they play the game in a meaningless fasition, concerned with nothing but winning. We care about our friends.
Rift Scorn Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.05 20:23:00 - [50] Well, you quite obviously are consipracy nuts. I'll spell it out very very very simply for you. A self pro-claimed Mercenery entity living in BoB Sovreign Regions does not = immediate contract on the same targets we are shooting. I think that should be ragingly obvious by now. Yes, we populate our regions. Thats hardly a super squirrel sekrit now. So, i'm not quite sure what you caught Blacklight red-handed at, but it certainly wasn't elbow deep in the conspiracy cookie jar. Your friendly clone activation expert, free of service to the eve community since '03

Farham Gallente AWE Corporation Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.12.05 20:25:00 - [51] Quote: Well tbh guys we'd love to allow and invite incomptents in to our space to populate it with us, but they all joined ASCN so we were left with people that you lot are afraid of. Thanks for such a direct and on topic reply Dina! It tells me and everyone else we are right on the mark.
Dianabolic Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.05 20:39:00 - [52] Is that the same deal we cut with MC? No? If we were going to use mercs why wouldn't we use ALL of them, hmmm? Because we don't need, nor want, to. You guys gave up on Paragon Soul, we populated it with people, people who realise to attack is FUN - and the one thing we don't do is stop people having fun. Originally by: CRYVOK Others, like BoB, they play the game in a meaningless fasition, concerned with nothing but winning. We care about our friends.
Gungankllr Caldari Celestial Horizon Corp. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.12.05 20:59:00 - [53] I'm not sure why BoB has such a huge issue with admitting they need help. We needed quite a bit of help, for the most part we hired anybody that said yes to go play in Delve, Fountain and Period Basis... I think anybody with a little common sense can look past all the posturing and see what you're doing. Dressing it all up nice and pretty in a "Populating our regions" package doesn't make what you're doing now any less of a deviation from the pompous dogma you crammed down our throats over the last two months. Telling the truth is rather liberating. I ponied up everything about ASCN a few weeks ago, didn't make me the most popular person in ASCN but at least all the bullcrap stopped. (Well, except Preacher keeps bringing up the mining barge thing, I have no idea why) So please, drop the "We don't need any help in destroying ASCN" dogma, it's obvious you do if you're bringing your little buddies into Feythabolis to help you. TBH there's little point in arguing about it, since no matter what I say everyone in BoB will toe the line and say something different. I think the general Eve populace is smart enough to add 2+2 and not get 5. GK Hidden in this signature is a secret message. I like pie.
DB Preacher Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.05 21:13:00 - [54] Edited by: DB Preacher on 05/12/2006 21:14:05 Gungan, I know it's hard to understand but we are populating your ex-territory. It has nothing to do with needing help. Guess what, when you are out of Feth, we already have a line up of alliances wanting to come into that space too. We could pull them in right now and assist us, but we won't. Ponder that one gungan. And even if we did need anyone else to help, what difference does it make to you except that your defeat is going to come all the quicker? dbp Caldari Alliance PVP Championship Winner Current RKK Ranking: (PSCAL6) Proficient Short Tanto
Matrices Reborn Ars Caelestis Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.12.05 21:14:00 - [55] I suppose the BoB propaganda is to be expected; nothing to comment on there, really, as it fools no one. The real interesting development in all this is that Firmus Ixion is spitting in BoB's face; first, attacking -A- while -A- is attacking AXE, and now, refusing travel rights for BoB's newest co-opted pet. Combined with the evisceration of Xelas in Fountain, interesting things are happening in the Empire...
DB Preacher Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.05 21:16:00 - [56] Originally by: Matrices Reborn I suppose the BoB propaganda is to be expected; nothing to comment on there, really, as it fools no one. The real interesting development in all this is that Firmus Ixion is spitting in BoB's face; first, attacking -A- while -A- is attacking AXE, and now, refusing travel rights for BoB's newest co-opted pet. Combined with the evisceration of Xelas in Fountain, interesting things are happening in the Empire... hahaha, Your info is wrong on 3 points. Grats, you must be samuraijack's intelligence. Try again, dbp Caldari Alliance PVP Championship Winner Current RKK Ranking: (PSCAL6) Proficient Short Tanto
Imode Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.12.05 21:26:00 - [57] Edited by: Imode on 05/12/2006 21:29:00 Originally by: Matrices Reborn I suppose the BoB propaganda is to be expected; nothing to comment on there, really, as it fools no one. The real interesting development in all this is that Firmus Ixion is spitting in BoB's face; first, attacking -A- while -A- is attacking AXE, and now, refusing travel rights for BoB's newest co-opted pet. Combined with the evisceration of Xelas in Fountain, interesting things are happening in the Empire... Apologies in advance, Av. It's no secret, Band of Brothers and FIX do not see eye-to-eye on the situation regarding Executive Outcomes. However while we have problems with them, Band of Brothers does not. I'm not sure how that amounts to a spit in the face. They will be brought in to populate Paragon Soul and live there. If you go there to attack them, they will fight back because it is now their home. The problem lies in how ASCN views the progress of the war. ASCN believes they are still contesting Paragon Soul when in actuality, they have lost complete control of it. BOB is populating the region because they own it. The idea that EXE is moving in because BOB needs help lies with your inability to realize the fact that you no longer control Paragon Soul. As for attacking -A-, I'm not sure how that is relevant to this situation. Keep on digging your grave, Ars Caelestis. ____________________________
Dianabolic Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.05 21:27:00 - [58] Originally by: Matrices Reborn I suppose the BoB propaganda is to be expected; nothing to comment on there, really, as it fools no one. The real interesting development in all this is that Firmus Ixion is spitting in BoB's face; first, attacking -A- while -A- is attacking AXE, and now, refusing travel rights for BoB's newest co-opted pet. Combined with the evisceration of Xelas in Fountain, interesting things are happening in the Empire... Out of the two pos you reinforced last night, for the cost of two dreads, neither are dead. Were you guys hoping a multi-front war would be your saviour? ho-ho-ho. Originally by: CRYVOK Others, like BoB, they play the game in a meaningless fasition, concerned with nothing but winning. We care about our friends.
Rift Scorn Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.05 21:29:00 - [59] Originally by: Farham You cut a deal with a Merc alliance in which you traded space for their help against ASCN. So you're talking with authority, or thats the way it seems, about a deal made by an alliance you're not in, towards another alliance entity, that you are also not in. Everything you say is speculation. It is pure Conspiracy, at its finest. You know jack and assume all. I spelt it out pretty simply before, it was not hard to join the dots. Your friendly clone activation expert, free of service to the eve community since '03
Slowboat Interspace Trade Consortium	Posted - 2006.12.05 21:35:00 - [60] Edited by: Slowboat on 05/12/2006 21:38:01 Originally by: Dianabolic Originally by: Matrices Reborn I suppose the BoB propaganda is to be expected; nothing to comment on there, really, as it fools no one. The real interesting development in all this is that Firmus Ixion is spitting in BoB's face; first, attacking -A- while -A- is attacking AXE, and now, refusing travel rights for BoB's newest co-opted pet. Combined with the evisceration of Xelas in Fountain, interesting things are happening in the Empire... Out of the two pos you reinforced last night, for the cost of two dreads, neither are dead. Were you guys hoping a multi-front war would be your saviour? ho-ho-ho. Why don't you guys just pony up to the fact that you can't fight ASCN alone anymore and you know it? Obviously bringing in EO to cover your AZN POS so you could defend your Fountain POS showed you that you can't, indeed, cover a two front war by yourselves. Must be a bit humbling to admit that the "best PVPers" need help eh? If you don't need help why don't you tell them to **** off out of your war and let your l33t skillz handle it. Edit: Dammit.. EO.. not EU <mumble>

Monarch Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.05 21:40:00 - [61] Edited by: Monarch on 05/12/2006 21:43:51 Funny how the ASCN rants and theories here have ** all to do with the fact that you are getting your ass handed to you in a silver platter day in and day out. ôOMG they are getting helpö ôOMG they haxö ôOMG they are GMsö ôOMG wait till kaliö ôOMG whereÆs STK?ö ôOMG they got a tower in AZN and we canÆt kill it with a 4000 people in an allianceö 2 months from now when you are in your barge waiting to jump into your home system of Jita, do you think any of this whiney bull ** is going to make a difference?
Lord Seth Federation of Freedom Fighters Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2006.12.05 21:41:00 - [62] Correction... Our CCP nerfed ticker is FOFF was F-OFF and our ccp nerfed alliance is EXE was alliance1234198 but now its back to EXE So Please refer to us as EXE or F-OFF
Tessa Vaako Ars Caelestis Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.12.05 21:52:00 - [63] Originally by: Imode Keep on digging your grave, Ars Caelestis. Our grave is far from dug, thank you very much. -- Just how awesome are you BoB?
Gungankllr Caldari Celestial Horizon Corp. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.12.05 21:52:00 - [64] Originally by: Imode The problem lies in how ASCN views the progress of the war. ASCN believes they are still contesting Paragon Soul when in actuality, they have lost complete control of it. ASCN isn't contesting Paragon Soul, haven't been for a few weeks now or so. BoB moved up into the AZN area, and that's where the fighting is now. As far as ASCN is concerned, since there isn't anybody there fighting for it right now, Paragon Soul belongs to BoB. I thought that was pretty clear, but if people still think we're saying PS is contested, I reckon not. Quote: BOB is populating the region because they own it. The idea that EXE is moving in because BOB needs help lies with your inability to realize the fact that you no longer control Paragon Soul. If you think we're talking about Paragon Soul, we're not. BoB brought EO up into AZN when their numbers sucked overnight, because they needed help. AZN is in Feythabolis, where ASCN started out, and where we make our home. Hidden in this signature is a secret message. I like pie.
APEXrevived Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.12.05 21:53:00 - [65] Originally by: Imode Edited by: Imode on 05/12/2006 21:29:00 Originally by: Matrices Reborn I suppose the BoB propaganda is to be expected; nothing to comment on there, really, as it fools no one. The real interesting development in all this is that Firmus Ixion is spitting in BoB's face; first, attacking -A- while -A- is attacking AXE, and now, refusing travel rights for BoB's newest co-opted pet. Combined with the evisceration of Xelas in Fountain, interesting things are happening in the Empire... Apologies in advance, Av. It's no secret, Band of Brothers and FIX do not see eye-to-eye on the situation regarding Executive Outcomes. However while we have problems with them, Band of Brothers does not. I'm not sure how that amounts to a spit in the face. They will be brought in to populate Paragon Soul and live there. If you go there to attack them, they will fight back because it is now their home. The problem lies in how ASCN views the progress of the war. ASCN believes they are still contesting Paragon Soul when in actuality, they have lost complete control of it. BOB is populating the region because they own it. The idea that EXE is moving in because BOB needs help lies with your inability to realize the fact that you no longer control Paragon Soul. As for attacking -A-, I'm not sure how that is relevant to this situation. /signed. Not sure why you guys don't understand this situation. BoB took PS. They don't want to occupy it themselves, they already have a home. They simply want to eject you out of your regions and set up agreements with alliances to occupy the newly conquered space. EXE is going to be living in your space. Being that the action is currently in AZN, why wouldn't they want to have some fun and go to where the fight is? BoB haven't and IMO won't need to ask for any help in this conflict. They have, and will make mutually beneficial arrangements with those pod pilots that will take your place. Hiring merc organizations to aid in a war is completely different from reaching agreements with merc or non-merc organizations to occupy newly conquered space. I thought since this game is called Eve that I'd play a female character. Is that a good enough excuse for a guy?
Matrices Reborn Ars Caelestis Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.12.05 21:58:00 - [66] Heh, serious enough a rift to warrant an immediate canned FIX response, so as to avoid wrath from the overseer, I imagine. Not to mention all the other grammatically incoherent, foaming-at-the-mouth, expletive-filled BoB responses. Sore spot, is it? Lol. Tell me, Imode, which part of Paragon Soul is in Feyth? Because thatÆs where F-OFF was last night, sitting on gate, with a BoB gang to attack ASCN. Stop making excuses for your masters; it was sad enough when you twiddled Veld between your thumbs while BoB won 9CG for you. Once my corpmate resizes the image and hacks out the part that shows his own chatbox, etc., IÆll post it myself.
Sinlare Gallente Sinlare Auditorium	Posted - 2006.12.05 22:00:00 - [67] Originally by: Gungankllr If you think we're talking about Paragon Soul, we're not. BoB brought EO up into AZN when their numbers sucked overnight, because they needed help. AZN is in Feythabolis, where ASCN started out, and where we make our home. Why would BoB need any help overnight, when ASCN is shooting a pos into reinforced? It's not like you can do anything else then reinforce it.. Your argument doesn't make sense, unless of course EO helped defend BoB's pos when it came out of reinforced.. so, did they?
Gungankllr Caldari Celestial Horizon Corp. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.12.05 22:02:00 - [68] Originally by: Sinlare Originally by: Gungankllr If you think we're talking about Paragon Soul, we're not. BoB brought EO up into AZN when their numbers sucked overnight, because they needed help. AZN is in Feythabolis, where ASCN started out, and where we make our home. Why would BoB need any help overnight, when ASCN is shooting a pos into reinforced? It's not like you can do anything else then reinforce it.. Your argument doesn't make sense, unless of course EO helped defend BoB's pos when it came out of reinforced.. so, did they? They were trying to stop us from putting it into reinforced in the first place? Hidden in this signature is a secret message. I like pie.
Sinlare Gallente Sinlare Auditorium	Posted - 2006.12.05 22:05:00 - [69] Originally by: Gungankllr Originally by: Sinlare Originally by: Gungankllr If you think we're talking about Paragon Soul, we're not. BoB brought EO up into AZN when their numbers sucked overnight, because they needed help. AZN is in Feythabolis, where ASCN started out, and where we make our home. Why would BoB need any help overnight, when ASCN is shooting a pos into reinforced? It's not like you can do anything else then reinforce it.. Your argument doesn't make sense, unless of course EO helped defend BoB's pos when it came out of reinforced.. so, did they? They were trying to stop us from putting it into reinforced in the first place? You can't even kill it after you reinforce it, i doubt BoB or their pets worry much about it being reinforced then :/ So i guess EO helped BoB defend the pos when it came out, since BoB cannot handle it themselves anymore, correct?
APEXrevived Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.12.05 22:08:00 - [70] Edited by: APEXrevived on 05/12/2006 22:09:11 Originally by: Matrices Reborn Heh, serious enough a rift to warrant an immediate canned FIX response, so as to avoid wrath from the overseer, I imagine. Not to mention all the other grammatically incoherent, foaming-at-the-mouth, expletive-filled BoB responses. Sore spot, is it? Lol. Tell me, Imode, which part of Paragon Soul is in Feyth? Because thatÆs where F-OFF was last night, sitting on gate, with a BoB gang to attack ASCN. Stop making excuses for your masters; it was sad enough when you twiddled Veld between your thumbs while BoB won 9CG for you. Once my corpmate resizes the image and hacks out the part that shows his own chatbox, etc., IÆll post it myself. interesting tactic. you are attacking "grammatically incoherent, foaming-at-the-mouth, expletive-filled BoB responses" with some of your own flamebait. The fact is that every FIX response in this thread has been thoughtful and respectful. Imode's last sentence is really the only exception to that. And that's a pretty mild exception compared to what i generally read on these forums. now we're really off-topic and I will stop posting in this thread. Oh and by the way, your post didn't deserve a response, but I figured I'd humor you since I'm at work and it's slow. One of the most comical things people do on these forums is attack each other for trolling/flaming by using trollage/flames of their own. edited for a bit more clarity. I thought since this game is called Eve that I'd play a female character. Is that a good enough excuse for a guy?

Matrices Reborn Ars Caelestis Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.12.05 22:10:00 - [71] Um, reading comprehension? I said "grammatically-challenged," etc., in reference specifically to BoB, not FIX...
APEXrevived Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.12.05 22:21:00 - [72] Originally by: Matrices Reborn Um, reading comprehension? I said "grammatically-challenged," etc., in reference specifically to BoB, not FIX... my apologies. I thought you were directing your post exclusively toward Imode. I hope you didn't get too hung up on this little misunderstanding on my part and completely miss the main theme of my post? I thought since this game is called Eve that I'd play a female character. Is that a good enough excuse for a guy?
Matrices Reborn Ars Caelestis Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.12.05 22:36:00 - [73] The problem with the main point of your post is that it ignores what's in discussion - FOFF with BoB, fighting in Feyth. No one is talking about who is in Paragon Soul, per se. That is merely the staging point of operations. Yes, BoB is very disciplined and coordinated fighting force. Too bad that achievement is marred with bizarre and contradictory propaganda, in which it becomes clear the alliance is too in love with itself to even admit basic flaws. Goonfleet, anyone?
Imode Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.12.05 22:38:00 - [74] Originally by: Matrices Reborn Heh, serious enough a rift to warrant an immediate canned FIX response, so as to avoid wrath from the overseer, I imagine. Not to mention all the other grammatically incoherent, foaming-at-the-mouth, expletive-filled BoB responses. Sore spot, is it? Lol. Tell me, Imode, which part of Paragon Soul is in Feyth? Because thatÆs where F-OFF was last night, sitting on gate, with a BoB gang to attack ASCN. Stop making excuses for your masters; it was sad enough when you twiddled Veld between your thumbs while BoB won 9CG for you. Once my corpmate resizes the image and hacks out the part that shows his own chatbox, etc., IÆll post it myself. I'm not going to argue about our relationship with Band of Brothers and Executive Outcomes. I'm not sure how much more black and white a response you can get than quotes directly from our own forums (Thanks Chris! Don't forget to stop by and reply to the "Hello Euphoria" thread). We're not going to sugar coat it. How you take my or any FIX response is completely up to you. If you want to continue trying to belittle us by bringing up the the relationship between BOB and Querious as some kind of pat on the back to yonder reminiscent days of old glory, please feel free to do so. If anyone has sore spots, its you ex-Huzzah pilots who can't let go of the past. See you in space. ____________________________
Slowboat Interspace Trade Consortium	Posted - 2006.12.05 22:43:00 - [75] Originally by: APEXrevived EXE is going to be living in your space. Being that the action is currently in AZN, why wouldn't they want to have some fun and go to where the fight is? BoB haven't and IMO won't need to ask for any help in this conflict. They have, and will make mutually beneficial arrangements with those pod pilots that will take your place. Hiring merc organizations to aid in a war is completely different from reaching agreements with merc or non-merc organizations to occupy newly conquered space. Did you read what you just wrote at all? You just said BOB have and will make mutually beneficial arrangements with a merc corp. I.E. HIRED them for an area of 0.0 to live in as payment. All this BS is just semantics and you know it. If they are going to be living in PS they have no need to be in Feyth, as supposedly professional mercs, protecting a BOB asset unless BOB asked them to be there to help out. In which case, yes BOB should just admit they need help and get it over with... because, frankly, BOB arguing that EXE aren't helping them is making them look like a complete group of idiots. The proof is on the kill mails. How can you even attempt to argue that? However I should say that if, and it is a very doubtful if, they aren't being paid to fight in the war then they need to stop sticking their noses in if they ever really want to be taken seriously as MERCs. IF they are being offered space in Feyth as compensation for helping BOB then... LOL. A Merc's first rule should always be get paid first.. a little saying comes to mind about chickens being counted before they hatch.
APEXrevived Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.12.05 22:55:00 - [76] Originally by: Slowboat Originally by: APEXrevived EXE is going to be living in your space. Being that the action is currently in AZN, why wouldn't they want to have some fun and go to where the fight is? BoB haven't and IMO won't need to ask for any help in this conflict. They have, and will make mutually beneficial arrangements with those pod pilots that will take your place. Hiring merc organizations to aid in a war is completely different from reaching agreements with merc or non-merc organizations to occupy newly conquered space. Did you read what you just wrote at all? You just said BOB have and will make mutually beneficial arrangements with a merc corp. I.E. HIRED them for an area of 0.0 to live in as payment. All this BS is just semantics and you know it. If they are going to be living in PS they have no need to be in Feyth, as supposedly professional mercs, protecting a BOB asset unless BOB asked them to be there to help out. In which case, yes BOB should just admit they need help and get it over with... because, frankly, BOB arguing that EXE aren't helping them is making them look like a complete group of idiots. The proof is on the kill mails. How can you even attempt to argue that? However I should say that if, and it is a very doubtful if, they aren't being paid to fight in the war then they need to stop sticking their noses in if they ever really want to be taken seriously as MERCs. IF they are being offered space in Feyth as compensation for helping BOB then... LOL. A Merc's first rule should always be get paid first.. a little saying comes to mind about chickens being counted before they hatch. 1. I don't know what the agreement is between BoB and EXE and it's not my business. You need to read my post more carefully. I said that they seem to have made an agreement with EXE concerning EXE living in newly conquered space. I don't know if EXE are a merc corp or not, it doesn't matter. 2. The last sentence of my post states my point very clearly: "Hiring merc organizations to aid in a war is completely different from reaching agreements with merc or non-merc organizations to occupy newly conquered space." 3. It's very commonplace for someone that lives in a region that is adjacent to another hostile region to go and fight in that region. Especially if it's in their best interest. Obviously, ASCN's success in repelling the BoB invasion is a direct threat to EXE's interests. I thought since this game is called Eve that I'd play a female character. Is that a good enough excuse for a guy?
Aero089 Hunters Agency Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.12.05 22:56:00 - [77] Originally by: Matrices Reborn Stop making excuses for your masters; it was sad enough when you twiddled Veld between your thumbs while BoB won 9CG for you. We fought for 9CG just as well. Don't pretend as if your corp or previous alliance did the dirty work either, you needed a coalition of god knows how many alliances and random corps to get the job done, and now you're already screaming out because bored F-OFF gangs roam the same area as BoB under positive standings? I hope ASCN didn't let any other corporations help them during this operation, surely AXE never lifted a finger? After all, any help in any form is dishonourable isn't it? This entire forum is pure propaganda. BoB as well as ASCN try to keep their egos up high and personally I can't blame either or them, I do the same for my own alliance and corporation in a less public form. It does however annoy me that ASCN has gone from making statements about their own achievements to making statements about how their enemies are failing (are they? Doesn't look like it) and how dishonourable they are. It's like reading a bloody gossip magazine. Please, for the love of sanity, stop crying over every little thing that made your enemy advance and stop exaggerating little things about the enemy. Sooner or later you will have to realise that BoB is winning this war on two fronts now. Why? Because in most topics they can sit back and laugh because they need not reply to an ASCN thread, simply because it's such obvious propaganda that it works in a backward way. In the end it's unfair to say "ASCN this" and "BoB that", because in the case of forum posts it only needs one loonatic out of 4000 members to make a silly topic. It's just a shame that, and pardon me for bluntly saying it like this, so many ASCN members are whining about every little thing that is happening to them on these forums.
Blacklight Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.05 23:06:00 - [78] ASCN, all you need to know is you are going to die. Blog
Hast Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.05 23:20:00 - [79] Originally by: Gungankllr Originally by: Sinlare Originally by: Gungankllr If you think we're talking about Paragon Soul, we're not. BoB brought EO up into AZN when their numbers sucked overnight, because they needed help. AZN is in Feythabolis, where ASCN started out, and where we make our home. Why would BoB need any help overnight, when ASCN is shooting a pos into reinforced? It's not like you can do anything else then reinforce it.. Your argument doesn't make sense, unless of course EO helped defend BoB's pos when it came out of reinforced.. so, did they? They were trying to stop us from putting it into reinforced in the first place? We were, and we killed two of your dreads while doing it aswell, and a boatload of other ships...
ph33rf4ct0ry Minmatar Hookers From Mars	Posted - 2006.12.05 23:24:00 - [80] Originally by: Blacklight ASCN, all you need to know is you are going to die. They do and their grasping at straws shows they have already started looking for excuses to serve them after death. Member of the POST WITH YOUR MAIN SOCIETY

Helen STK Scientific Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.12.05 23:27:00 - [81] Thanks Blacklight. For tonight I mean not your post.
Dianabolic Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.05 23:30:00 - [82] Originally by: Helen Thanks Blacklight. For tonight I mean not your post. Amazing what happens when you stop hiding and start facing us, isn't it? We'll see you in the morning. Originally by: CRYVOK Others, like BoB, they play the game in a meaningless fasition, concerned with nothing but winning. We care about our friends.
Helen STK Scientific Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.12.05 23:39:00 - [83] Doubt it seeing as I've gotta work but I'll see you in the evening. Nothing like spending a weekend at a stag do then realising you haven't worked in a month to make you feel like making some RL iskies. And this has derailed the thread somewhat...
Mopar Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.05 23:42:00 - [84] Can't say i know anything about these EO guys except for the fact that FOFF are weak wussies, unless of course something big changed in the last 6 months or so. The heats turned up and run run run run. Kill them all Fix. My commanders plant them in our new space tho i couldnt give a rats ass to see them all dead and gone. Did i mention kill them all Fix
Malius Solar Storm	Posted - 2006.12.05 23:45:00 - [85] Originally by: Hast Quack Quack Quack Hey well, you challenged them to shoot at the pos, and they did. Still, you show no class as usual, guess thats to be expected by now.
Matrices Reborn Ars Caelestis Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.12.05 23:49:00 - [86] Edited by: Matrices Reborn on 05/12/2006 23:50:58 Blacklight is right. ASCN is going to die. When BoB says something, you can take their word for it. Especially when they say you're going to die. Just ask Goonfleet. I'm sure all several hundred of them will happily tell you that they are, indeed, quite dead. And with that, I'm done with these nonsensical forums for fools, permanently. *Opinion stated is that of the person stating it. The end.
Jirai Grepher Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2006.12.06 00:11:00 - [87] Originally by: SamuraiJack Originally by: Pathfinda75 So your pilots dont know how to properly set up their overview. Go figure. I dont care. You are -ve. Enjoy being shot. do you guys even shoot stuff?
Herculite Hunters Agency Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.12.06 00:28:00 - [88] Edited by: Herculite on 06/12/2006 00:30:06 In many ways I think this thread sums up the somewhat odd tactics of ASCN in reguards to this war. Most of FIX really wanted nothing to do with ASCN vrs BoB. It was BoB's war, Fix has its own enemies, and those enemies also happen to be the enemies of ASCN's sister alliance AXE. If anything ASCN and Fix should be friendly if not friends. Then Cyvok puts on his magic tinfoil hat and changes MC and Fix standings from blue. Now I can understand WHY he did this, after all there was a large amount of cap ships moved, everyone says MC are BoB alts and Fix are BoB puppets/alts/MC alts, but it became pretty clear very fast that MC and Fix were not about to attack ASCN. Now that should have been the end of it, but instead ASCN HC orders roving gangs into Fix space to get 'BoB slaves'. Randomly ganking another alliance for no good reason when your own alliance is fighting for Paragon Soul, was 'special' to say the least. Well a couple of good posts on eve-o, and ASCN sees the light and orders everyone to stop killing in Q, and tries to get Fix to set them back to blue, so sorry for the ganks.... In the mean time we get Matrices Reborn (and others), in Q trying to gank people ratting in his stabbabond (I did keep screen shots Matricies). Well Fix doesn't set ASCN to blue, and ASCN continues to gank Fixians Carebearing in Q. Does anyone else see the error in ASCN judgement in this? Edit:Oh an in case this is lost on some people, these are just my observations. I have no standings in Fix beyond foot soldier and I have told them not to trust my judgement in this as I'm biased due to my interactions with a certain member of ASCN HC.
Miss Overlord Gallente Ferrum Pugnus New Eve Order	Posted - 2006.12.06 00:51:00 - [89] the ball rolls on - still no ASCN spotted in aridia either - with plenty of BOB freighters rolling thro zinkon vehan to hier all the time i find it interesting they arent cutting the supply lines then again nah not worth a comment lol These posts represent my personal views and not those of my corp or alliance. These do not reflect offical alliance or corp views This is a disclaimer
Ben Derindar Dirty Deeds Corp. Axiom Empire	Posted - 2006.12.06 00:53:00 - [90] If FOFF are residents of Paragon Soul under BoB, then one could expect them to have negative standings towards ASCN simply as a condition or consequence of that residency. That in itself would give FOFF enough of a reason to want to be there without BoB having to ask them for their presence specifically. And I didn't need any intel for that. shrug /Ben How to fix Eve

Moonlight Express Amarr Moonlight Express Inc.	Posted - 2006.12.06 01:12:00 - [91] Originally by: Ben Derindar If FOFF are residents of Paragon Soul under BoB, then one could expect them to have negative standings towards ASCN simply as a condition or consequence of that residency. That in itself would give FOFF enough of a reason to want to be there without BoB having to ask them for their presence specifically. And I didn't need any intel for that. shrug /Ben Bingo. But it's a lot more fun with the tin foil hat on.
DragonSIayer	Posted - 2006.12.06 01:17:00 - [92] Originally by: Blacklight ASCN, all you need to know is you are going to die. Hahaha I like this guy, he joking alot hahaha
RyanS Amarr Dragon's Rage Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.12.06 01:19:00 - [93] Originally by: DragonSIayer Originally by: Blacklight ASCN, all you need to know is you are going to die. Hahaha I like this guy, he joking alot hahaha Yea funny guy
Brunswick2 eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.12.06 01:21:00 - [94] Originally by: Blacklight ASCN, all you need to know is you are going to die. Duh, I fly a dictor \o/ OMG, Bruns is primary! --------------------------------- I traded your sig for a cookie, I did it for the cookie, the cookie - Tirg
Entilzah Valen Band of Builders Inc. Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.12.06 01:50:00 - [95] This thread is funny, not because of the subject matter. Its funny because everyone is dancing around like a circus sideshow while Chris laughs his ass off at this thread. I'm personally, gonna go grab some popcorn. (BTW FIX: "STFU in local") _________________________________________________________
The Government Caldari The Nine Gates Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2006.12.06 04:09:00 - [96] Thank you for giving me something entertaining to read other then the comics. I'm glade eXe gave a few of you something new to type about. Our leadership is good and get out and fight right along everyone else. BoB has done everything they said they would so far. So bottom line there is not one damn thing you guys can say about eXe or BoB to drop our moral. We know who we are and how well we can do it. EXE Command: Major Riven û Alliance Big Cheese - FoFF Cosmo Raata û Alliance Head Diplomat û FoFF (standings etc.) Anndar Kreone û Alliance Asst. Diplomat+ TNGC (other stuff or if Cosmo isn't on) Most people who are worth talking to already know how to contact us. Rest of you can keep guessing or making up story's, it gives us something to laugh about. I've seen less crying and bs from pirate corps we killed off. Corp. Director
Oreh Anavrin No Quarter.	Posted - 2006.12.06 04:32:00 - [97] Edited by: Oreh Anavrin on 06/12/2006 04:32:29 Originally by: SamuraiJack Originally by: Pathfinda75 So your pilots dont know how to properly set up their overview. Go figure. I dont care. You are -ve. Enjoy being shot. PREPARE TO FEEL THE FULL WRATH OF THE ASCN FLEET* *after they defeat bob in Delve, I hear the wars over any day now.
Darkstar BP Caldari eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.12.06 04:36:00 - [98] Edited by: Darkstar BP on 06/12/2006 04:38:08 Originally by: Aero089 It does however annoy me that ASCN has gone from making statements about their own achievements to making statements about how their enemies are failing ... and how dishonourable they are. This one had me rolling on the floor, laughing. Maybe it is time to get the brown stuff out of your eyes that comes from sticking your head in the nether parts of your masters. There is about 50000 BoB statements to this effect and maybe 500 ASCN statements.
Righteous Fury Slacker Industries Exuro Mortis	Posted - 2006.12.06 05:01:00 - [99] Originally by: Darkstar BP This one had me rolling on the floor, laughing. Maybe it is time to get the brown stuff out of your eyes that comes from sticking your head in the nether parts of your masters. There is about 50000 BoB statements to this effect and maybe 500 ASCN statements. And, oddly enough, they're the ones that are winning the war aren't they?
matty01 No Quarter.	Posted - 2006.12.06 05:08:00 - [100] good luck to you FoFF guys, flew with you back in the day and every one of you i met was awesome have fun down there, pewpew some for me

Scius Amarr Federation of Freedom Fighters Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2006.12.06 07:18:00 - [101] After an indepth internal inquiry, it seems our new sat nav's fitted to all our Alliance (EXE) ships were using the wrong star charts, after travelling so far off course we asked the local inkeeper for refreshments and out of intersteller courtesy they obliged. We are merly waiting for the new charts to be downloaded so we can get back to our Alliance mining op in Empire. I must apologies to ASCN if we appear to be a threat to your roids but out of courtesy we promise with hand on heart not to touch your roids, no matter how tasty they may seem. EXE Command: Major Riven û Alliance Big Cheese - FoFF Cosmo Raata û Alliance Head Diplomat û FoFF (standings etc.) Anndar Kreone û Alliance Asst. Diplomat+ TNGC Scius - Alliance mouth - F-OFF
Cosmo Raata Federation of Freedom Fighters Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2006.12.06 08:03:00 - [102] Maybe I should clear this up, while doing so I'll make it as simple as posible. 1) EXE came to BoB, we wanted to be part of the best and it was clear who that was. No one from BoB ever contacted us to ask for a contract. 2) Relations with ASCN were pathetic tbh, we traded off shooting each other for over 6 months while assuming we were positive to each other. ASCN only wanted blue standings to avoid losses incurred by our desire to Raid, they offered nothing but a "cease-fire" NAP. We decided after yet another shooting, a "cease-fire" did not interest us, we left ASCN blue until we had decided where we wanted to go. 3) Less than 5% of EXE or FoFF have hard feelings anymore against FIX, the few that dislike FIX have an enate ability to spur further hatred from FIX towards us. We war decced and shot at FIX before positive standings with BoB because they a) Were close, b) Would fight, c) History between us made it fun. To all Fixions that hold a grudge, let it go, excuse the few that can't and accept that 95% of us dont care anymore, its in the past. 4) EXE doesn't want to sit still and be happy. We have a proactive approach to PvP. We will be attacking all BoB enemies outside of where ever we live. The philosophy is simple, BoB does well, we'll do well. Getting fat and happy is a poor excuse of an alliance, history shows those that get complacent, die. In conclusion, we are currently putting the Merc business aside until we see fit to resume it. Our decision to do this was a simple one, we wanted to aim high. Call it what you will, insult all you want, but one thing has always held true and will continue to hold true, We dont give a damn what you think about us! We are a tight knit group that plays for the friendship we have for each other and to have fun, no opinions of others will change that. The End.
Mindlles 0utbreak	Posted - 2006.12.06 08:08:00 - [103] My past statments about FoFF shows even more to be thrue now! Im right once again what ppl like to pass their time doing! =)
Cosmo Raata Federation of Freedom Fighters Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2006.12.06 08:22:00 - [104] Originally by: Mindlles My past statments about FoFF shows even more to be thrue now! Im right once again what ppl like to pass their time doing! =) Well, seeing that you're not in FIX anymore, and therefore do not interfere with any relations that we wish to retain I can tell you this. Who the hell cares what you think? You apparently gave up on FIX just as you have always whined and complained that we did. Anyways, go ahead and say something else, because we all know you have no ability to remain a mature, insightful person.
Lord Seth Federation of Freedom Fighters Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2006.12.06 08:38:00 - [105] Edited by: Lord Seth on 06/12/2006 08:38:55 "CANT WE ALL JUST GET ALONG" -Rodney King- 1992
Riddlock Minmatar Sha Kharn Corp Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.12.06 08:50:00 - [106] mucho love to the FOFF , long live stain empire :) more pew pew less chit chat :)
Nez Perces Amarr Black Spot.	Posted - 2006.12.06 08:53:00 - [107] Edited by: Nez Perces on 06/12/2006 08:55:39 Against my better judgement I'm going to say something..... Ahh who am I kidding, when it comes to the forums, I don't give a monkey's crutch. I think its high time FOFF got a break from the bashing they recieve everytime they come up on the forums. FOFF are like Cosmo Raata said, a close knit group of players, I think its fair to say that FOFF comes first and a lot of other stuff second. FIX leadership, Wraithstorm closed the FAT deal at the time (when FIX gained possession of FAT through 'diplomacy') knew what FOFF were about when they were invited to join FIX. When I rejoined FIX (as a JCoS) after a period of self-imposed exile, it was clear that FOFF and FAT were like chalk and cheese.... unseparable if you will. Lose FAT and you lose FOFF... it was plain to see and those that chose not to, are the ones getting all riled up about this issue. The truth is that FOFF found it hard to adjust to FIX life, simply because they are very corp-centric and FIX at the time was more alliance centric. Its no surprise cause SA, the alliance FOFF came from was corp-centric too. No matter, changes were made in FIX to accomodate FOFF, they semi-worked. The real problem came during war time, there was a section of FIX that thought FAT was not really FIX proper and only 3 or 4 FIX corps bothered to setup shop in FAT, the result of this was that FOFF felt isolated and lacking in military backup. One of FIX's problems was the FIX Council and getting corps to do what was necessary was bloody hard work, like populating FAT properly. FIX did not support FOFF sufficiently and did not populate FAT properly. In the end FOFF gave up, cause it was clear that FIX wasn't going to put in the elbow grease required to keep FAT. So FOFF jumped ship, can you blame them for it?... perhaps the timing was a bit off... Nevertheless.. as the CODA war progressed, many corps left FIX for precisely the same reasons that FOFF left, only a bit later. My consolation is that I had already become completely inactive before the CODA war actually started with SA and Huzzah. Anyways FIX dont like me no more.. so this is just another piece of the picture for those that are interested.
Gungankllr Caldari Celestial Horizon Corp. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.12.06 09:23:00 - [108] Originally by: Nez Perces Anyways FIX dont like me no more.. I still like you. Hidden in this signature is a secret message. I like pie.
Nez Perces Amarr Black Spot.	Posted - 2006.12.06 09:25:00 - [109] Originally by: Gungankllr I still like you. I still like you too <3
Mindlles 0utbreak	Posted - 2006.12.06 09:26:00 - [110] Originally by: Cosmo Raata Originally by: Mindlles My past statments about FoFF shows even more to be thrue now! Im right once again what ppl like to pass their time doing! =) Well, seeing that you're not in FIX anymore, and therefore do not interfere with any relations that we wish to retain I can tell you this. Who the hell cares what you think? You apparently gave up on FIX just as you have always whined and complained that we did. Anyways, go ahead and say something else, because we all know you have no ability to remain a mature, insightful person. Yeah i left fix before u joined up with them. So ur absolutly right, and have nothing to do with anny kind off relations, And cant care less either. Ur absolutly right. But my statement and ur replay shows how right i am. And maybe if u want to call me childish and imuture u still know how right i am ! Now good luck with what ever u are doing =), And ihope u see a bright future from where u are looking =)

Wesley Walker Hedion University	Posted - 2006.12.06 14:11:00 - [111] Originally by: Righteous Fury Originally by: Darkstar BP This one had me rolling on the floor, laughing. Maybe it is time to get the brown stuff out of your eyes that comes from sticking your head in the nether parts of your masters. There is about 50000 BoB statements to this effect and maybe 500 ASCN statements. And, oddly enough, they're the ones that are winning the war aren't they? RF <3 BoB (IDT).

Petwraith Forum Moderator Interstellar Services Department	Posted - 2006.12.06 14:20:00 - [112] Op's question has been answered and this thread has been derailed and continues to move away from the original topic. --- If it ain't orange, it ain't offical! If it aint red it ain't important. - Hutch If it's blue, it's time to call the goat to fix it- Tirg



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