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Ja'kar
MAFIA
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Posted - 2006.12.05 11:49:00 -
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Well I know this has been done to death but I wanted to have my say, and what I say is nothing to do with the pirate coalition, they are my own views.
First off Warp 0 and BM are not the same and one is not the natural solution for the other.
BMÆs were endorsed by CCP and they should not have been they should have been removed from the game (insta-warp to gate) to keep the balance between hard and soft. The real reason why I donÆt like warp 0 is that it forces me to play a different style yes I know pirates have adapted and yes I know you can still get a lot of kills, but this is not about that. It represents for me a shift from hard to soft eve. Well eve was supposed to be player vs. player, with CCP creating the structures of eve (space, ships etc) and policing those that cheated or played outside of the game. Pirates are used to adapting, sentry guns were used as pirates were camping gates and pirates used new tactics, such as snipers etc.
Now we can all agree that the use of some of those tactics were annoying and seemed unfair, but for me this was in keeping with the spirit of eve. What should have happened is that the player base should have taken out these types of players (and b4 u shout that u could not get snipers (I could say adapt) there were plenty of people who killed snipers). The point is that it should be possible for player innovation be in the field of mining or pirating. I loved the hardcore edge to eve and now feel thatÆs it lacking. For me jump close was a bad idea and now with warp 0 itÆs just kills yet another player style. I honestly believe that this game has been devalued as a result of warp 0.
I wish people would not look at eve from a moral standpoint or player style and look at the bigger picture of eve. Why join a hardcore pvp game and whinge it down to wow in space. Why not form gangs, hire pvpÆers etc, I think that most people in eve are just lazy and greedy. I want eve to be a free playing style for all and I want people to do what they want, within the game rules, but it seems vast amount of players just want to play there own style and restricted others style if it annoys them too much.
Before I was a pirate I saw gate camps that lasted days if not weeks, it was fun (yes when I lost ships I got mad, but took in the sprit of the game). I think the old pirate corps were a lot harder than today, I think most of the people today have it a lot easier, when making isk for example, mission runners, mining with barges. When I lost a ship in the early days it was very much harder to get isk.
Those that seek to define low sec pirates as a sort non-pirate or less of a pirate or think snipers is cowards miss the point, is that it is (or was) in the game spirit to be able to do these things. I lived in low sec within 2weeks of eve my login on eve and lived in 0.0 for long while, and I can say I prefer pirating in low-sec, but it is not an easier option or should it be seen as less then 0.0. What 0.0 is for me is just blobs.
The kind of people that log off and more then that, think its ok to log of b4 a pirate can pop you, are killin the game and really need to understand what eve was and what it should have been.
I donÆt care whether CCP bring in bubbles or not (into low sec) I just want the balance of hardcore and soft moved back to towards hardcore. I know it wonÆt but thatÆs life!
I mean CPP could have used the mission system to create live missions to clear campers, with information on ship etc and let the players really get involved in eve.
Anyway I am done; it would be nice for people not to try and show how great they are by number of kills or just fame me without thinking, but am guessing the usual suspect will flame away.
Jak
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Crumplecorn
Gallente
Aerial Boundaries Inc.
Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.12.05 11:54:00 -
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A few random ships being able to lock down a gate is not 'hardcore', it is easy mode.
The way it is now is fairly balanced. The people who are able to construct a competent gatecamp are still getting kills, I know, I've been that kill a few times  .
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Malcanis
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Posted - 2006.12.05 12:11:00 -
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"I mean CPP could have used the mission system to create live missions to clear campers, with information on ship etc and let the players really get involved in eve. "
This is actually a pretty cool idea in theory, where it not for the fact that the campers would all warp off instantly...
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Ja'kar
MAFIA
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Posted - 2006.12.05 12:11:00 -
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solo camp anyone?
and when did I say pvp was dead or that teh sky is falling in?
typical troll
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Ja'kar
MAFIA
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Posted - 2006.12.05 12:12:00 -
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This is actually a pretty cool idea in theory, where it not for the fact that the campers would all warp off instantly...
covert ops?
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Gonada
Gallente
Cross Roads
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Posted - 2006.12.05 12:13:00 -
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your say.....
does anyone really care?
dont like EVE quit
-I don't necessarily agree with everything I say.-
-nerf Missles-
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Ja'kar
MAFIA
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Posted - 2006.12.05 12:18:00 -
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your say.....
ahhh the trolls awaken!
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Gutsani
The Priory
Shroud Of Darkness
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Posted - 2006.12.05 12:22:00 -
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 Originally by: Crumplecorn
The way it is now is fairly balanced. The people who are able to construct a competent gatecamp are still getting kills, I know, I've been that kill a few times .
hThT 
Ontopic, i actually agree that empire gankage got nerfed quite a bit, but you must believe in the stoupidity of your target. If they now all have instabookmarks to run from you, maybe you need to move terrain (stations), or catch them on the other side of the gate.
Killing a hauler before it goes into warp is not to much of a problem imho. And hitting shuttles always was a big pain. Hell, you can even do it with a rupture and i believe a thorax can do it also. As for stations, it sucks that people just nick your loot. When you steal loot, you shouldnt be able to instadock.
As for lowsec, i'm not sure, it depends. Gatecamping lowsec sounds quite stoupid to me anyway, but i hope CCP get their mind together to allow bubble anchoring in lowsec. Concord isnt there .. they cant unanchor my bubble then. <_<
As for zerozero space, gatecamping there got a big boost with medium and large bubbles. 
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Ja'kar
MAFIA
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Posted - 2006.12.05 12:27:00 -
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Ontopic, i actually agree that empire gankage got nerfed quite a bit, but you must believe in the stoupidity of your target. If they now all have instabookmarks to run from you, maybe you need to move terrain (stations), or catch them on the other side of the gate.
yes I agree and have got plenty of kills solo hauler, bc etc, but for instance missed a hauler and went to warp to next gate to catch him and 'ow yeah thatÆs gone' and it not the player style am bothered about its the added restriction s imposed, that I don't like
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James Duar
Merch Industrial
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Posted - 2006.12.05 12:27:00 -
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Hm...allow bubble anchoring. And leave the sentry guns considering it a hostile act.
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Jubeli
Caldari
Joint Espionage and Defence Industries
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Posted - 2006.12.05 12:32:00 -
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Why don't you try to become creative instead of crying?
Larger haulers etc don't insta warp out from a gate so lock them down and smack them. Won't be as easy as sniping form 150km, but I got the feeling at FF that it is intented to make gate camping more of a sport.. and to be able to protect yourself from it some more with the usage of WCS.
If you are a few people at the outgoing gate with a few fast scramblers and then a nice dmg dealer you will easily be as annoying as always. :)
So I don't see the "warp to 0" removing gate camps, only making it a bit harder and a bigger sport then good snipe and tank. It is making the game faster in genereral which I think will get more people's attention.. I for sure love it cuz I get more out from my gaming experience.
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Gutsani
The Priory
Shroud Of Darkness
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Posted - 2006.12.05 12:33:00 -
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Edited by: Gutsani on 05/12/2006 12:39:23
Edited by: Gutsani on 05/12/2006 12:36:58
Edited by: Gutsani on 05/12/2006 12:33:11
Originally by: James Duar
Hm...allow bubble anchoring. And leave the sentry guns considering it a hostile act.
How to implement that? I just let my alt anchor a bubble and cloak/jump out/log (just to name some lame ways to do it). Who are the sentry's gonna shoot then? Me? In a total different corp?
Originally by: Jubeli
If you are a few people at the outgoing gate with a few fast scramblers and then a nice dmg dealer you will easily be as annoying as always. :)
That doesnt works in hi sec, everyone scrambling the hauler is:
1) gonna lose sec status, for what?
2) gonna get jammed really soon (6-16 seconds), should be enough to kill it imho
3) gonna lose a ship really soon (0-60 seconds, depending on ship)
The problem is, that you used to be able to sit in a suicide gankathron on the gate, with a cargo scan alt (or you do it yourselve). The guy warps in at 15, you both lock, scan, worthwile? BOOM and you die. That has now become quite difficult, when are you gonna cargo scan the ship?!.
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Ja'kar
MAFIA
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Posted - 2006.12.05 12:34:00 -
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Why don't you try to become creative instead of crying?
ok am not crying am voicing my thoughts and I know how to pop ships at gates thanks- you missed the whole point try re-reading the post and if you don't get leave it alone thanks
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Andrue
Amarr
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Posted - 2006.12.05 12:35:00 -
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Originally by: Malcanis
"I mean CPP could have used the mission system to create live missions to clear campers, with information on ship etc and let the players really get involved in eve. "
This is actually a pretty cool idea in theory, where it not for the fact that the campers would all warp off instantly...
Warp or log. One of the two certainly.
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Ja'kar
MAFIA
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Posted - 2006.12.05 12:40:00 -
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Edited by: Ja''kar on 05/12/2006 12:40:50
Edited by: Ja''kar on 05/12/2006 12:39:54
Warp or log. One of the two certainly.
well yes warping out shoud be allowed (covert, probes etc to conter that) and loggin well that's typical(cheating I would call it name and shame)
anyway I am work and got it all done but i am gonna have to go to a meeting soon. so feel free to post away and feel free to laugh at the trolls
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Jubeli
Caldari
Joint Espionage and Defence Industries
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Posted - 2006.12.05 12:42:00 -
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Edited by: Jubeli on 05/12/2006 12:42:45
Originally by: Ja'kar
Why don't you try to become creative instead of crying?
ok am not crying am voicing my thoughts and I know how to pop ships at gates thanks- you missed the whole point try re-reading the post and if you don't get leave it alone thanks
Great job avoiding my comments on alternative way to work 
I think it is you who should read my reply a bit better and not only the first line.
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Alitha Maru
Hidden Agenda
Deep Space Engineering
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Posted - 2006.12.05 12:43:00 -
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Originally by: Ja'kar
It represents for me a shift from hard to soft eve. Well eve was supposed to be player vs. player, with CCP creating the structures of eve (space, ships etc) and policing those that cheated or played outside of the game. Pirates are used to adapting, sentry guns were used as pirates were camping gates and pirates used new tactics, such as snipers etc.
I must admit, reluctantly, that I used warp to 0 with a bitter taste in my mouth. Not because I was against Instas, but because I feel I do not deserve to automatically warp to 0. With instas, at least I had to make my own or pay millions for a set. I felt I did something to deserve it. Now it feels....wrong, somehow.
I do understand that BMs were a problem to lag, and when CCP today deletes all BMs within a certain radius of stations and gates I do not see them turning around and take away WTZ anytime soon, if ever.
Sour taste, yes. But will will forget this matter in a few months anyhow, and accept it as a part of daily life in EVE. Like with all other sour grapes we found during the years. Some times sour grapes can turn into sweet wine too  |
Ja'kar
MAFIA
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Posted - 2006.12.05 12:47:00 -
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Edited by: Ja''kar on 05/12/2006 12:48:43
Jubeli
ok...
did you read the op - I know you can still pop ships-
look not to be rude- just tell nme what it is your getting at and i will reply still got 10 mins or so.
alitha
yes i agree it will be normal soon and new pirates will never know and eve will go on, just feel something was lost is all, and yes the taste is still very sour
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Pham Sirge
VersaTech Interstellar Ltd.
SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2006.12.05 12:49:00 -
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Hi all,
I dont really care about empire its a carebear love in.
Lowsec is a gank feast and a really big joke, its bloody unpopulated and that needs to change(nerf empire missions imo). If Warp to zero does anything it will increase traffic.
0.0 without bookmarks or Warp to zero is just painful. Subtracting them add's nothing, people will still either work together or they will die, all it would do is turn 0.0 into just blobs. Bookmarks already sucked, Want to send a small gang into enemy space... copy bookmarks. Want to invade enemy space... copy bookmarks. Want to move around generally... copy bookmarks. Id say a good 90% of 0.0 pilots used them always and warp to zero hasnt changed anything much.
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<VTIL> Pham Sirge
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DropZone 187
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Posted - 2006.12.05 12:56:00 -
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Holly cow. Do dumb piwats have nothing better to do than complain about changes to the game for which they are too stupid to figure out and adapt properly like their smarter piwat peers?
Enough posts about how CCP 'killed' their profession. Each and everyone of the posts just publicizes the op's inadequacies of being a player because they themselves either can't or don't want to adapt like others have.
Keep in mind that these are the same people who feel it is thir right to pop any hauler that comes near them and brag about it like it is some honor. Pathetic.
On a brighter note, the smarter piwat has used this to their advantage and is making massive amounts of isk at the expense of the dumb piwat.
Evolution at its best.
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Jubeli
Caldari
Joint Espionage and Defence Industries
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Posted - 2006.12.05 12:58:00 -
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What I'm saying is that your post sort of stinks of a "sniper pirates are gone and you can now insta-warp and this made eve soft" sensation (sorry for harsh wording, didn't know how to put it in any way).
I agree that when we had warping in to 15km it was sometimes a bigger rush to go through lowsec, however the sniper pirate was too easy to play and also if I had expensive cargo I'd make sure to get instans...
Now instas we all know created very bad things with the server and databases. Many whine about lag - this problem is now being dealt with one big step being removing lots of the BMs.
Being the pirate will now take more then just sitting at 150km in a sniper while having an alt scooping the cargo as you wait 15 minutes before you can go back in. Everyone in EVE have to adapt more then once, not only pirates.. Many things around gates are there since gate-camping has been waaaaaay to easy.
However I don't see the "warp to 0" being a tool to get rid of snipers camping a gate in lowsec. I bet the two main reasons is to make eve a bit faster (all the 15km flights do make eve sooo slow) to get more people involved, also to reduce the lag because as long as there isn't warp to 0 you'll have BMs to take up CPU load.
This will most likely also have a good effect on lowsec being populated more when people have adapted to the patch.. they will feel safer (hehe) and this combined with the WCS changes/nerf fewer will use that.
So it will give pirates more people to hunt in local, make pirates change tactics in gate camps while giving a bigger false security for the locals.
Warp to 0 has not made EVE softer in any way. It will make EVE bigger, faster and most likely even more cruel.
I love it. :)
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Lady Galadriel
Thief Hunters of Orion's Alliance
Safe And Fun Environment
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Posted - 2006.12.05 12:59:00 -
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Originally by: Ja'kar
Well I know this has been done to death but I wanted to have my say, and what I say is nothing to do with the pirate coalition, they are my own views.
blah blah to long cba to read ..
Can I have your Stuff ?
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Ja'kar
MAFIA
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Posted - 2006.12.05 13:02:00 -
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Jubeli
ok thanks for that and I agree with some of your post but have to run let me just say snipers are just a player style I am not a sniper (have done it yes) its the fact that CCP are shaping directly how eve is played that I don't like.
anyway I have to go good luck with however you play!
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UGWidowmaker
Caldari
Setenta Corp
Xelas Alliance
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Posted - 2006.12.05 13:03:00 -
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warp to 0 isent all that good. as u cant use warb bubles in empire.. but wtf we will adapt.. however i need to ask ccp..
cant we have emperiel warb bubles. a speciel bubel or all of em where u can set standings so that only wartargets is efected or something.. a module even.. somehting..
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Lisento Slaven
Amarr
The Drekla Consortium
Kurai Komichi
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Posted - 2006.12.05 13:03:00 -
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I haven't had any problems getting kills before or after warp to 0km, although I am not necessarily the best at it.
Personally I don't believe that warp to 0km has made EVE "easier" so to speak, it has just made EVE faster, literally. One reason I would never go help my friends out with stuff was because I didn't have instas to where they were doing missions/ratting/mining etc. and they were 13+ jumps away. Now it takes me what, a minute per system as opposed to 3 or 4 minutes per system that I don't have an insta for? I seriously enjoy being able to play with people and not be forced to live in a hole because it takes me an hour to go somewhere without the instas.
Gate sniping was annoying in low sec. It still is because people still do it and they still get kills because it's still possible. People get caught entering systems same as before the patch. It's just a lot harder catching them when they leave the system (in fact it's impossible unless you have a bubble when you're only camping the "exit" point). Not sure there's anything to say about gate camping since it hasn't really changed in the killing part of it. The defending part has really changed now though with the warp core nerf. If they land a cov-ops on you, it's *harder* to survive when the main gang lands on top of you.
The log off stuff is agreed by everyone that it's lame - but it doesn't have anything to do with warp to 0km =P
And yeah making isk is easier now than in the past. But that just ties into a faster paced EVE.
So yeah - warp to 0km just makes me feel like things are faster, not necessarily easier in EVE. I had sets of bookmarks for 4 regions, including insta-docks in the region I lived in. Not much has changed for me as far as the warp to 0km (other than being able to play in places I didn't have instas....which I never used to do).
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Jubeli
Caldari
Joint Espionage and Defence Industries
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Posted - 2006.12.05 13:04:00 -
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Originally by: Ja'kar
Jubeli
ok thanks for that and I agree with some of your post but have to run let me just say snipers are just a player style I am not a sniper (have done it yes) its the fact that CCP are shaping directly how eve is played that I don't like.
anyway I have to go good luck with however you play!
Hehe, well we absolutely don't agree that sniper is a player stile. I can't even see the fun in it cuz it doesn't challenge anything but "how long can i sit here before sentry guns take me out" :P
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