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Mark666
Ichirin
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Posted - 2006.12.05 17:54:00 -
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I think some people failed to realise that Trollin was um.... Trollin.
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Zadrot Huyzabey
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Posted - 2006.12.05 17:54:00 -
[32]
Thanks a lot - did not expect so many replies
The point is not that mechanic 5 and survey 5 are useless - for someone they look that way for someone not. The point is that people do make mistakes sometimes and when it comes to skills in many other MRPGs there is a possibility to correct these mistakes - namely respec. I admit that EVE is somewhat different - there is no limit for your skills here - so your mistake will only cost you some time and isk. However why not make it possible to respec? The idea is not that alien for EVE - all new chars receive 800 k SP for free since Revelation.
I think the respec should not be made for free - possibly it should cost isk like clones or maybe require a special skill. But it would be nice
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Tao Han
Caldari
Earth Day Corporation
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Posted - 2006.12.05 18:00:00 -
[33]
 Originally by: Mark666
I think some people failed to realise that Trollin was um.... Trollin.
Meh, I was just about to post that..
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Tao Han
Caldari
Earth Day Corporation
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Posted - 2006.12.05 18:00:00 -
[34]
Originally by: Mark666
I think some people failed to realise that Trollin was um.... Trollin.
Meh, I was just about to post that..
Saving the world, one bottle at the time |
Taedrin
Gallente
Mercatoris Technologies
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Posted - 2006.12.05 18:03:00 -
[35]
Originally by: techzer0
Originally by: Taedrin
Oh man, I would LOVE a respec. Right now my skills are half minmatar ships, half gallente ships, half shield tanking, half armor tanking, half gunnery, half missiles.
There with you... lol, but I don't count it as useless because I plan to be lpaying long enough to us them all :)
Actually, it's been fairly useful for flying my typhoon, since that ship uses so many different skills. The only thing that isn't doing me any good are my gallente ships and shield tanking skills. Of course having good shield tanking skills is nice to have even on an armor tanker
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Taedrin
Gallente
Mercatoris Technologies
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Posted - 2006.12.05 18:03:00 -
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Originally by: techzer0
Originally by: Taedrin
Oh man, I would LOVE a respec. Right now my skills are half minmatar ships, half gallente ships, half shield tanking, half armor tanking, half gunnery, half missiles.
There with you... lol, but I don't count it as useless because I plan to be lpaying long enough to us them all :)
Actually, it's been fairly useful for flying my typhoon, since that ship uses so many different skills. The only thing that isn't doing me any good are my gallente ships and shield tanking skills. Of course having good shield tanking skills is nice to have even on an armor tanker
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140
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Posted - 2006.12.05 18:07:00 -
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Id like the option to delete skills from my character sheet, i dont want to put the sp elsewhere, i just want to get rid of all the anooying skills taking up space
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140
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Posted - 2006.12.05 18:07:00 -
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Id like the option to delete skills from my character sheet, i dont want to put the sp elsewhere, i just want to get rid of all the anooying skills taking up space
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Anjerrai Meloanis
Minmatar
Omerta Syndicate
Exuro Mortis
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Posted - 2006.12.05 18:08:00 -
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maybe you could just reverse train skills for the same amount of time required to train them? that would be fairly pointless though, haha.x
uh.
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Anjerrai Meloanis
Minmatar
Omerta Syndicate
Exuro Mortis
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Posted - 2006.12.05 18:08:00 -
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maybe you could just reverse train skills for the same amount of time required to train them? that would be fairly pointless though, haha.x
uh.
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Phrixus Zephyr
Yesodic Nomads Corp
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2006.12.05 18:12:00 -
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Neo: "I don't know kungfu"
Morphius: "Show me..."
Morphius flying knee drop hits you perfectly, ending the film.
Originally by: Victor Ramirez
using it to get the layout of a new system and a quick belt-check is about as practical as using Google Earth to see if your car is still in front of your house.
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Phrixus Zephyr
Yesodic Nomads Corp
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2006.12.05 18:12:00 -
[42]
Neo: "I don't know kungfu"
Morphius: "Show me..."
Morphius flying knee drop hits you perfectly, ending the film.
Originally by: Victor Ramirez
using it to get the layout of a new system and a quick belt-check is about as practical as using Google Earth to see if your car is still in front of your house.
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DefJam101
Gallente
Coreli Corporation
Corelum Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.12.05 18:14:00 -
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To the OP
Once your past 4-5mill SP I wouldn't really call you a "new player"...
And this is a good idea up until the point where:
If your attributes suck (Like me) I then train skills that I have my best attributes in, then detrain the skill and put the SP into skills I want.
Since I was one of the unlucky peopel who started with numerically less SP than other classes, and had 4 base perception and 6 base willpower and it took me 26 days to train Medium Hybrid 5, I would obviously prefer that they just equalized all 'butes and let implants decide.
But im sure the swarms of Minmatarr/Caldari people who have 20+ in all attributes(unlike me who will never have above 20 in any of them) will say no.
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DefJam101
Gallente
Coreli Corporation
Corelum Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.12.05 18:14:00 -
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To the OP
Once your past 4-5mill SP I wouldn't really call you a "new player"...
And this is a good idea up until the point where:
If your attributes suck (Like me) I then train skills that I have my best attributes in, then detrain the skill and put the SP into skills I want.
Since I was one of the unlucky peopel who started with numerically less SP than other classes, and had 4 base perception and 6 base willpower and it took me 26 days to train Medium Hybrid 5, I would obviously prefer that they just equalized all 'butes and let implants decide.
But im sure the swarms of Minmatarr/Caldari people who have 20+ in all attributes(unlike me who will never have above 20 in any of them) will say no.
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Patch86
Di-Tron Heavy Industries
Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2006.12.05 18:35:00 -
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Of course I'd have really liked the ability to detrain Drone Navigation V, but luckily I found out about it's horrible consequences before it got anywhere near finishing. Poor peeps who did optimisitcally train it, though..........
Lvl 4 = Uber fast drones of death. Lvl 5 = too fast to actually hit their target.................
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Patch86
Di-Tron Heavy Industries
Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2006.12.05 18:35:00 -
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Of course I'd have really liked the ability to detrain Drone Navigation V, but luckily I found out about it's horrible consequences before it got anywhere near finishing. Poor peeps who did optimisitcally train it, though..........
Lvl 4 = Uber fast drones of death. Lvl 5 = too fast to actually hit their target.................
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Ather Ialeas
Amarr
Karjala Inc.
Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2006.12.05 18:39:00 -
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Originally by: Patch86
Of course I'd have really liked the ability to detrain Drone Navigation V, but luckily I found out about it's horrible consequences before it got anywhere near finishing. Poor peeps who did optimisitcally train it, though..........
Lvl 4 = Uber fast drones of death. Lvl 5 = too fast to actually hit their target.................
 Thanks for warning
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Ather Ialeas
Amarr
Karjala Inc.
Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2006.12.05 18:39:00 -
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Originally by: Patch86
Of course I'd have really liked the ability to detrain Drone Navigation V, but luckily I found out about it's horrible consequences before it got anywhere near finishing. Poor peeps who did optimisitcally train it, though..........
Lvl 4 = Uber fast drones of death. Lvl 5 = too fast to actually hit their target.................
Thanks for warning
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Kylania
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.12.05 18:50:00 -
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Originally by: Zadrot Huyzabey
The point is that people do make mistakes sometimes and when it comes to skills in many other MRPGs there is a possibility to correct these mistakes - namely respec.
The point is that in EVE you need to take responsibility for your actions, by understanding them before hand and accepting them, no matter what changes.
Skill "respec" would simply result in "flavor of the month" characters constantly, the never ending balance nightmare that plagued DAoC.
You spent a week or so training Survey IV-V. Big deal. If the skill is "worthless" now, CCP will eventually make it worthwhile. Respec is bad. Accept your choices in EVE.
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Lil Miner
Newbie Skills Roadmap | CCG Card Lookup |
Kylania
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.12.05 18:50:00 -
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Originally by: Zadrot Huyzabey
The point is that people do make mistakes sometimes and when it comes to skills in many other MRPGs there is a possibility to correct these mistakes - namely respec.
The point is that in EVE you need to take responsibility for your actions, by understanding them before hand and accepting them, no matter what changes.
Skill "respec" would simply result in "flavor of the month" characters constantly, the never ending balance nightmare that plagued DAoC.
You spent a week or so training Survey IV-V. Big deal. If the skill is "worthless" now, CCP will eventually make it worthwhile. Respec is bad. Accept your choices in EVE.
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Lil Miner
Newbie Skills Roadmap | CCG Card Lookup |
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solarwinds
ISS Navy Task Force
Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.12.05 18:57:00 -
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Edited by: solarwinds on 05/12/2006 18:57:46
GAWD how I'd love to de-train all my Caldari/Amarr/Gallente skills (ships and weapons) and reinvest them. But I can't, and I doubt the devs would want that anyways. A 10mil SP character can become so highly specialized in a certain type of ship to be total pwn against others. Unbalances the game. The learning curve is a part of the balancing process.
I could see MAYBE a one time thing to help low SP characters become a little more competitve (how in the blue f@ck can you compete against a 40mil SP character?) but that is about it. It doesn't really penalise anyone, just lets them optimize a little more. Still won't happen until pigs fly.
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Fuujin
Hadean Drive Yards
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Posted - 2006.12.05 18:57:00 -
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Edited by: Fuujin on 05/12/2006 18:58:09
If you want to respec go back to effing warcraft. Keep it there. Don't bring that garbage over here.
Hadean Drive Yards Tier 2 BC Pricing |
solarwinds
ISS Navy Task Force
Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.12.05 18:57:00 -
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Edited by: solarwinds on 05/12/2006 18:57:46
GAWD how I'd love to de-train all my Caldari/Amarr/Gallente skills (ships and weapons) and reinvest them. But I can't, and I doubt the devs would want that anyways. A 10mil SP character can become so highly specialized in a certain type of ship to be total pwn against others. Unbalances the game. The learning curve is a part of the balancing process.
I could see MAYBE a one time thing to help low SP characters become a little more competitve (how in the blue f@ck can you compete against a 40mil SP character?) but that is about it. It doesn't really penalise anyone, just lets them optimize a little more. Still won't happen until pigs fly.
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Fuujin
Hadean Drive Yards
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Posted - 2006.12.05 18:57:00 -
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Edited by: Fuujin on 05/12/2006 18:58:09
If you want to respec go back to effing warcraft. Keep it there. Don't bring that garbage over here.
Hadean Drive Yards Tier 2 BC Pricing |
Unemployed
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2006.12.05 19:01:00 -
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Edited by: Unemployed on 05/12/2006 19:02:26
In regard to this topic, I think It would be a really cool implementation. But it would need to have SERIOUS restrictions to be viable. for example, in the entire life of your character your allowed to "untrain" a total of lets say 5 - 10 million skill points.
Those skill points could go into a secondary category, called "knowledge burst" or "hindsight" whatever, some name that satisfied role players.
Then when you right click skills to train it you are given two options, learn the skill normally, or engage your "hindsight" points and train it instantly.
I think if it was added to the game, as long as everyone was given a LIMIT on retrains, that it wouldnt screw the game up.
I guess all of this could take place at a special learning facility, like the stations where you buy all your skill books.
my thoughts...
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Unemployed
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2006.12.05 19:01:00 -
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Edited by: Unemployed on 05/12/2006 19:02:26
In regard to this topic, I think It would be a really cool implementation. But it would need to have SERIOUS restrictions to be viable. for example, in the entire life of your character your allowed to "untrain" a total of lets say 5 - 10 million skill points.
Those skill points could go into a secondary category, called "knowledge burst" or "hindsight" whatever, some name that satisfied role players.
Then when you right click skills to train it you are given two options, learn the skill normally, or engage your "hindsight" points and train it instantly.
I think if it was added to the game, as long as everyone was given a LIMIT on retrains, that it wouldnt screw the game up.
I guess all of this could take place at a special learning facility, like the stations where you buy all your skill books.
my thoughts...
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mellian
Research Associates
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Posted - 2006.12.05 19:03:00 -
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Bah, I am annoyed at the choices I made with my main character almost three years ago when I first played, and haven't since until a month ago. But that is okay! I have a second account with an alt to make things right and already about to surpass my main character. :p
-mellian
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mellian
Research Associates
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Posted - 2006.12.05 19:03:00 -
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Bah, I am annoyed at the choices I made with my main character almost three years ago when I first played, and haven't since until a month ago. But that is okay! I have a second account with an alt to make things right and already about to surpass my main character. :p
-mellian
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Detavi Kade
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Posted - 2006.12.05 19:09:00 -
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lol respec....
We'll go from "it's great being amarr, ain't it" to "it's great everyone's caldari, ain't it?"
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Detavi Kade
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Posted - 2006.12.05 19:09:00 -
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lol respec....
We'll go from "it's great being amarr, ain't it" to "it's great everyone's caldari, ain't it?"
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