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Mirasta Caldari Enigma Enterprises Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2006.12.06 11:12:00 - [31] Originally by: Ngwee If the salvager HAS killed a mission ship and stolen mission dependent loot which has caused a mission to fail he is in deep trouble. Petition this immediately as behaviour like this has caused lifetime bans for players responsible, as it is griefplay as defined by CCP. So petition this and lets have less people around who believe they have the sole right to play exactly as they want to and do not care the slightest in how it affects other people. To this, I loled. Maby if he constantly stole only your mission loot time and time again you flew a mission that might be conciderd greifing. OP: I would say that scanning out a mission location to steal loot was more intended than mining out a mission area while ignoring the mission objective. Rember this, anything in Eve is free game for anyone with the strengh and innitive to take it from you be it Ore, Loot, Escrows, Market sell orders, Ships ECT. The pirate was playing as intended as he took your stuff, if you can handele the fact that people are gunna keep trying to take stuff from you then i would ask your self what you are doing in this game. Of couse, You are now reading my sig.
Ngwee Gallente 7 SAI	Posted - 2006.12.06 18:08:00 - [32] Does anyone except me pay my subscription ? Do you ? When you decide to do so I will pay attention to what youre saying as regards how I choose to play EVE. Till then I will ignore you as not being worthy of my time and effort.
Snarls McGee	Posted - 2006.12.06 18:23:00 - [33] I understand you were mining out the mission that you were currently in.. I do it all the time when I need some minerals to finish building something.. But why didn't you just kill the last rat, pick up the Mission Objective and then come back to mine? The roids will be around until you end the mission with your agent. You'd have had the MO loot and still had access to the roids.. Out of all the Mission Griefing threads this one is still purely your fault.
Shemar Gallente Photesthetics Glamour Syndicate	Posted - 2006.12.06 18:25:00 - [34] Originally by: Miss Overlord lets have this confirmed by a dev then we will have to stop otherwise its legal despite youre say so. If i warp in after scanning someone in low sec kill them and their rat ( whos to say it wasnt cosmos or the new exploration stuff that they were fighting) so if u can provide a link to a dev post it will force us all to stop this until then its a free for all imo Stealing the mission item is exploiting game mechanics and if it is not already a violation of the rules of play, you can bet that after the GMs get thousands of petitions about it, it will be. Petition is a good advise. What I suggest you petition: - Someone aggroing the whole room on you and leaving. - Someone stealing the mission critical item or killing the NPC carrying it so that you can't get it without criminal flagging. Do not petition: - People stealing your loot. This is a semi-intended functionality and they are flagged as killable to you. It's no different than ore thieving which has been around forever. - People salvaging your wrecks after they have been looted: Based on the way CCP has done things, it appears this is a perfectly legitimate and intended functionality. ________________ Enhanced eye sight does not make up for the lack of vision
syphurous Gallente Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2006.12.06 21:31:00 - [35] I petitioned and did rechieve compensation for my lost mission item. The GM was very polite & responded in a decent time frame. I have no problem with pirates, or PvPers, I just would rather have the choice wether I put myself in a situation with them. I stay out of low sec, I stay in a n00b corp. I choose. . ------------------------- Rats, Rats The Magical Fruit, The More You Pop, The More You Loot !
NocturnalDeath Umbra Congregatio Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2006.12.06 22:46:00 - [36] How am I supposed to keep my enemy from harvesting resources efficiently and effectively if they can just petition a GM for their stuff back? My enemy harvesting mission critical loot is PvP, its a direct threat to my security, and I should be able to stop them from doing it.
Oswald Forbes Caldari Turk and Son Inc.	Posted - 2006.12.06 22:53:00 - [37] Yes I'm sure those 10 kidnapped VIPs are a dire threat to you
NocturnalDeath Umbra Congregatio Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2006.12.06 22:57:00 - [38] Originally by: Oswald Forbes Yes I'm sure those 10 kidnapped VIPs are a dire threat to you no but him earning LP that he converts to isk, and then uses to fund his military assault upon me is a threat.
Oswald Forbes Caldari Turk and Son Inc.	Posted - 2006.12.06 22:58:00 - [39] All part of our PvE master plan buhaaahaahaaaaaa!
Plutoinum German Cyberdome Corp Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2006.12.06 22:58:00 - [40] Edited by: Plutoinum on 06/12/2006 23:04:14 Originally by: Eudyptes sclateri Originally by: NocturnalDeath 'My Perspective' comes from playing Real Time strategy games. In which you try to harvest resources as fast and as efficiently as possible, at the same time you are converting these resources into a military. You use your military to 1. Keep the other guy from harvesting resources fast and efficient 2. To kill him til hes dead. 3. Win the game. Eve is a GIANT RTS game with some RPG thrown in. I intend to do steps 1 through 3 as best I can. I can't help that there are others who don't care about winning, and don't want to play a game where BY DESIGN, EVERYTHING IS PvP. Empire space is not there for people to carebear and "PvE" forever. It is a stepping stone and breaking in process to getting out to 0.0 where you can kill them 'til they're dead and WIN the game. Uh... are you playing the same game as us? EVE isn't an RTS. Someone must have changed your EVE shortcut to point to Starcraft. Sorry, people who try to "win" an MMORPG make me laugh. I agree 100% to NocturnalDeath's two posts, so looks like more people play 'her' game. EVE is a virtual world simulator (warfare/economy/crime/society/politics...) edit: There you also have the answer why pvp doesn't need to be fair like 5 vs. 5 all the time. We play a bit a strategy game. CTD/con-loss vs. log-out. A proposal for a fix.
Mayoz Miner	Posted - 2006.12.06 23:17:00 - [41] Originally by: NocturnalDeath How am I supposed to keep my enemy from harvesting resources efficiently and effectively if they can just petition a GM for their stuff back? My enemy harvesting mission critical loot is PvP, its a direct threat to my security, and I should be able to stop them from doing it. Who is your enemy? everyone ? I dont see why some carebear PVEer is your main target ( who may well be in a newb corp). This guy in a newb corp how does he effect you apart from selling items on the market making things cheaper ? What I want to know is does CCP want PVEers to wear a PVP setups now when running misssions? 'cos that will become the only way of doing it as I dnt want to be asking my corp mates to come on every mission with me even if they wanted too. Tbh if thats what CCP want then ill roll with it and explore some other way of making cash but it seems odd that they will be limiting there players base I.E. PVErs. P.s. If someone warps in agrros all the rats the warps out ( no profit in that ?) how is that not grief ?
NocturnalDeath Umbra Congregatio Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2006.12.06 23:19:00 - [42] Edited by: NocturnalDeath on 06/12/2006 23:32:46 Edited by: NocturnalDeath on 06/12/2006 23:22:15 Originally by: Plutoinum I agree 100% to NocturnalDeath's two posts, so looks like more people play 'her' game. EVE is a virtual world simulator (warfare/economy/crime/society/politics...) edit: There you also have the answer why pvp doesn't need to be fair like 5 vs. 5 all the time. We play a bit a strategy game. Thanks. Another tidbit. I run lvl 4 missions in 0.0, I run traderoutes, I go on corp mining ops, I carebear a metric *#$@ton. However, I do this so I can kill my enemies. I EXPECT my enemies to keep me from doing those carebear things the best way they can. When you mission/Rat/trade you might as well be shooting directly at your competitor's ship. Competitor = Enemy in many circumstance in Eve. (not all, some of my competitors are set to blue, and my allianc is neutral friendly, so I limit my hunting of enemy competitors to hostiles.) As far as people staying in the n00b corp to avoid(carebears) or exploit(pirates) these issues, then imo they are exploiting the gift of an NPC corp. Hopefully CCP will remedy this exploit soon.
Pang Grohl Gallente	Posted - 2006.12.06 23:30:00 - [43] You seem confused. In one post you claim you want to be left the !@#$ alone, but in another you say you want to play with other people? Which is it? By limiting the ability to ferret out missions & steal from them or otherwise futz with them you are impinging on the play style of other people, which seems to be an abhorrent thing to you. EVE is multi-player. EVE is PVP oriented. If you no longer feel safe in your high-sec mission running bring friends to help. This is the only legitimate answer to your problem. Si non adjuvas, noces (If you're not helping, you're hurting)
Allen Deckard Gallente LFC Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.12.06 23:35:00 - [44] Originally by: Eternal Fury Edited by: Eternal Fury on 05/12/2006 21:15:28 this will sound horrible, so i'll appologise now. If you had been in 0.0 when this happened, the second he warped into the mission, you would have either blown him away if you were capable, or he would have blown you away. or you would have ran. You would never have let him sit around and loot your cans. This kind of behaviour is perpatrated in empire by people who still think they can trust strangers. The only person in this game you can trust is you alt. And sometimes not even then..(The theifing pirate basterd) In 0.0 when someone you don't know warps in, they either get destroyed, you get destroyed, or one of you runs. The question of loot goes to whoever is the most dangerous at that time. problem solved. As for doing missions in empire.. Get your tank to such a high level that you can tank the whole mission, and blow up one NPC ship, loot it, then do the next, rinse & Repeat. This way you never have all your loot hanging around. Or even better, get some buddy's together. Some of you kill NPC's, some of you loost while the NPC's are being killed. This will keep you from looseing those importannt mission items. Course since there are no missions/agents/or npc stations in .0 where i live or anywhere near where I live makes ur solution a little tough.
syphurous Gallente Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2006.12.07 00:01:00 - [45] Originally by: Pang Grohl You seem confused. In one post you claim you want to be left the !@#$ alone, but in another you say you want to play with other people? You dont have to kill people to play a game with them, if you did, casinos would become slaugther houses no ? The family game of snap would quickly remove your bloodline from the gene pool. Friendly games of poker on your Wednesday night with your friends would leave you looking for new friends on a weekly basis. . ------------------------- Rats, Rats The Magical Fruit, The More You Pop, The More You Loot !
NocturnalDeath Umbra Congregatio Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2006.12.07 00:22:00 - [46] Edited by: NocturnalDeath on 07/12/2006 00:23:05 Originally by: syphurous Originally by: Pang Grohl You seem confused. In one post you claim you want to be left the !@#$ alone, but in another you say you want to play with other people? You dont have to kill people to play a game with them, if you did, casinos would become slaugther houses no ? The family game of snap would quickly remove your bloodline from the gene pool. Friendly games of poker on your Wednesday night with your friends would leave you looking for new friends on a weekly basis. You're right, that is why I won't be coming to your RL house to kill you. Its just a game... A game where I can blow your ship up, cuz you are competing with me for resources.

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