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syphurous Gallente Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2006.12.05 20:59:00 - [1] So I was in a mission mining the Ore that was in there, and in comes a pirate in his little frigate and starts checking my wrecks. That I was cool with, however I would've prefered a PM asking if I had claimed salvage on them. I lock him as a target, as he's not shown himself to be friendly or agrressive. The mission rat with the item loot I required was still flying round and he decides he'll come and can swap the ore. After doing that, I tell him what a ** he is in local, and I get a friendly smiley. How cute I think, this guy has found the character map. So I just sit their idle for a while, I was in the middle of a conversation with a corp mate anyways and he just idles about. The he decides to shoot the mission rat and take the loot. Great I think, missions buggered. I didn't blow him out of the sky because I was in an ity collecting a load, all I had fitted was small NOS, for some reason I'd taken the rail gun off it. Though I doubt that would've stopped him from leaving had I started to shoot. Revelations, has brought us this new wonderful way to annoy the hell out of PvE players. I was in the midddle of highsec 0.9 near a trade hub. So the pirates are coming with the mission runners back from low sec. I thought the idea CCP had in mind was to encourage players to move out into low sec ? With everyone coming back into highsec, its sort've working against that idea huh ? . -------------------------** Rats, Rats The Magical Fruit, The More You Pop, The More You Loot !
Eternal Fury Shadow Of The Light Vertigo Coalition	Posted - 2006.12.05 21:14:00 - [2] Edited by: Eternal Fury on 05/12/2006 21:15:28 this will sound horrible, so i'll appologise now. If you had been in 0.0 when this happened, the second he warped into the mission, you would have either blown him away if you were capable, or he would have blown you away. or you would have ran. You would never have let him sit around and loot your cans. This kind of behaviour is perpatrated in empire by people who still think they can trust strangers. The only person in this game you can trust is you alt. And sometimes not even then..(The theifing pirate basterd) In 0.0 when someone you don't know warps in, they either get destroyed, you get destroyed, or one of you runs. The question of loot goes to whoever is the most dangerous at that time. problem solved. As for doing missions in empire.. Get your tank to such a high level that you can tank the whole mission, and blow up one NPC ship, loot it, then do the next, rinse & Repeat. This way you never have all your loot hanging around. Or even better, get some buddy's together. Some of you kill NPC's, some of you loost while the NPC's are being killed. This will keep you from looseing those importannt mission items. Eternal Fury Shadow Of The Light .SOL.
syphurous Gallente Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2006.12.05 21:28:00 - [3] So everytime I have a couple of hours on Eve, I'm to get a gang together, of people I can trust, get them all in the same system, all fitted out for a mission, then get a mission which isn't "pop the 4 rats" and then get the all to agree on the same tactics, jobs ? I cant give them LP, low level missions give bugger all as reward. Am I to spend more than I make doing missions ? . ------------------------- Rats, Rats The Magical Fruit, The More You Pop, The More You Loot !
Creepin	Posted - 2006.12.05 22:08:00 - [4] Quote: If you had been in 0.0 when this happened... stuff... This will keep you from looseing those importannt mission items. Well, that's all nice and good, but hey, if I'd want to bother with them freaks crazed on PK, thieves and other scum of the like, to go through a pain of gathering others and thus either boss them around or follow others' orders (I hate both things equally) then I'd just go to 0.0 to have something for my efforts at least. It's exactly because I don't want to have any crap like this why I stay in the empire space! Is it so hard to understand? :(
Shemar Gallente Photesthetics Glamour Syndicate	Posted - 2006.12.05 22:10:00 - [5] Originally by: Creepin Well, that's all nice and good, but hey, if I'd want to bother with them freaks crazed on PK, thieves and other scum of the like, to go through a pain of gathering others and thus either boss them around or follow others' orders (I hate both things equally) then I'd just go to 0.0 to have something for my efforts at least. It's exactly because I don't want to have any crap like this why I stay in the empire space! Is it so hard to understand? :( Signed. ________________ Enhanced eye sight does not make up for the lack of vision
TheDevilsJury principle of motion R i s e	Posted - 2006.12.05 22:49:00 - [6] Once he's stolen your ore, can't you blow the **** out of him? ^^^^ You can hide, but you can't run. ^^^^
NocturnalDeath Umbra Congregatio Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2006.12.05 22:55:00 - [7] PvE = PvP in Eve imo... all PvE activities compete against other players for those resources. If you choose to collect resources (PvE) , then I should be able to prevent you from collecting those resources if I so choose. Eve is not a mining simulator. Eve is not a mission simulator. Every action in Eve has an economic PvP consequence. Not being able to prevent my opponent from harvesting a resource (PvE) is a 'bug' imo.
syphurous Gallente Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2006.12.05 23:04:00 - [8] Originally by: TheDevilsJury Once he's stolen your ore, can't you blow the ** out of him? Yeah the Iteron 3 comes packed with fire power. . -------------------------** Rats, Rats The Magical Fruit, The More You Pop, The More You Loot !
Rogerano	Posted - 2006.12.05 23:06:00 - [9] Edited by: Rogerano on 05/12/2006 23:06:06 That's complete bull****, Nocturnal. Get some perspective.
Nate D Naughty Ambitious Temptatious Endeavours	Posted - 2006.12.05 23:12:00 - [10] So is this your main? or are you an alt? Cause man... if Syphurous is your main... why don't you join a corp and do something interesting... then you could move down to low sec or 0.0... maybe get a bit of PVP experience so that the next time someone tries to F with you... you can really tell him to F off... -NÖ --- Voice Comms are Coming ...SoonÖ [Click]
Shemar Gallente Photesthetics Glamour Syndicate	Posted - 2006.12.05 23:14:00 - [11] There are people who play this game (and unless I am mistaken the majority) that have no interest in ship-to-ship PvP. While EVE does advertise a single shard universe where non-concensual (ship-to-ship) PvP is possible, there was a balance that allowed the majority of the playerbase to play the game the way they liked with the possibility of being harassed small as it required a lot of time and skill from the harasser and relatively less skill to avoid the harassment. This delicate balance is in danger of being destroyed as now every idiot can within minutes ruin a mission that may take hours to complete and has penalties for failure to complete it. Those of you that produce claims of the style "adapt", "defend yourself", "that's how EVE is supposed to be" etc. etc. fail to understand basic human characteristics. If these people wanted to "adapt", "defend themselves" etc etc, they would be in 0.0 where the rewards are much higher. They just don't care for this kind of game. If empire mission running turns into a free-for-all, I think EVE will have seen it's last record of players online forever. And before some smartass says "great, less lag", you better remember that it is the vast majority of players that live in empire, who's monthly subscriptions finance all the development for the shiny new toys all the ADD leet kids rave about and pays CCP's Internet bill. ________________ Enhanced eye sight does not make up for the lack of vision
ollobrains Ferrum Pugnus New Eve Order	Posted - 2006.12.05 23:21:00 - [12] as this pirate ill say hello this guy was using 2 characters both not in a player corp ( his buddies if he was in a player corp could have come blown me up) basically he was mining omber in a mission and being the pr!ck that i am found him using scan probes and went and looted and basically helped myself This game contains an element of PVE yes but youre not meant to be safe anywhere - god u could make more in low sec mining ore even in a safeish system Fact youre NPC corp means youre basically meat for everyone i might have been more careful if u were in a corp ( political issues and all that) stop whining and get on with it - and tbh instead of tanking that rat u should have blown it up and got the mission objective as it is i have it and ive since sold it Its really up ot CCP to fix this problem with scan probes making it so easy for me to play with mission runners basically nothing in the game that says i cant. Also ive been roaming around many systems annoying ppl so essentially its no one in particular So CCP as also as a mission runner i want u to make it harder for peeps to find me running missions i wanna be safe otherwise every player in eve will forget missions and goto PVP - making youre content stuff useless At any time youre BC could have attacked me but hey not being fitted for PVP was youre weakness in that encounter. Learn from it i reckon and ill see u out there
ollobrains Ferrum Pugnus New Eve Order	Posted - 2006.12.05 23:21:00 - [13] By the way i was this "pirate" he was referring to
NocturnalDeath Umbra Congregatio Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2006.12.05 23:34:00 - [14] Edited by: NocturnalDeath on 05/12/2006 23:36:30 Edited by: NocturnalDeath on 05/12/2006 23:36:01 Originally by: Rogerano Edited by: Rogerano on 05/12/2006 23:06:06 That's complete bull****, Nocturnal. Get some perspective. 'My Perspective' comes from playing Real Time strategy games. In which you try to harvest resources as fast and as efficiently as possible, at the same time you are converting these resources into a military. You use your military to 1. Keep the other guy from harvesting resources fast and efficient 2. To kill him til hes dead. 3. Win the game. Eve is a GIANT RTS game with some RPG thrown in. I intend to do steps 1 through 3 as best I can. I can't help that there are others who don't care about winning, and don't want to play a game where BY DESIGN, EVERYTHING IS PvP. Empire space is not there for people to carebear and "PvE" forever. It is a stepping stone and breaking in process to getting out to 0.0 where you can kill them 'til they're dead and WIN the game.
ollobrains Ferrum Pugnus New Eve Order	Posted - 2006.12.05 23:37:00 - [15] i was using all ingame valid and legal avenues to do what i do there was no swearing in local on my behalf i smiled nicley to the carebear what more can u want
Region Watcher	Posted - 2006.12.05 23:42:00 - [16] Originally by: ollobrains pirate Slow down there. In the scheme of things its Pirate>Carebear>Ore Thief. Because lets face it my friend, ore theft is pirating for carebears.
syphurous Gallente Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2006.12.05 23:45:00 - [17] Originally by: ollobrains Fact youre NPC corp means youre basically meat for everyone i might have been more careful if u were in a corp ( political issues and all that) I currently choose not to play in a player corp even though I've had many generous offers, even had help from some of their members ( cheap ships, gate clearing ). The other character is the mission was a corp mate, someone I had taken under my wing, one of many I help out and guide through the basics of Eve as do many other long term NPC corp members and was offfering the pyroxeres ( not Omber ) to them to help them fit out their shiny new crusier. Had I still had my Brutix in the mission I could've set my drones on you, which you could then have either suffered the loss of you little frigate or most probably warped out before you took any serious damage. Had been equipped to web and scram you I still couldn't have taken your pod, it was in highsec. Either way it would not have seriously harmed you in your wallet or SP. Quote: Also ive been roaming around many systems annoying ppl so essentially its no one in particular I didn't feel upset that you picked me, I realised it could've been anyone, I was more upset that it this is such a drastic change, and means they game is no longer in a style I wish to play. Sometimes a cool new feature, really isn't that cool to a certain player base. People in my missions that I didn't bring with me, not a feature I like. . ------------------------- Rats, Rats The Magical Fruit, The More You Pop, The More You Loot !
ollobrains Ferrum Pugnus New Eve Order	Posted - 2006.12.05 23:46:00 - [18] call me an annoyance ( dont really worry about tags) im a PVPer , do some PVE basically i play many roles
ollobrains Ferrum Pugnus New Eve Order	Posted - 2006.12.05 23:50:00 - [19] Originally by: syphurous Originally by: ollobrains Fact youre NPC corp means youre basically meat for everyone i might have been more careful if u were in a corp ( political issues and all that) I currently choose not to play in a player corp even though I've had many generous offers, even had help from some of their members ( cheap ships, gate clearing ). The other character is the mission was a corp mate, someone I had taken under my wing, one of many I help out and guide through the basics of Eve as do many other long term NPC corp members and was offfering the pyroxeres ( not Omber ) to them to help them fit out their shiny new crusier. Had I still had my Brutix in the mission I could've set my drones on you, which you could then have either suffered the loss of you little frigate or most probably warped out before you took any serious damage. Had been equipped to web and scram you I still couldn't have taken your pod, it was in highsec. Either way it would not have seriously harmed you in your wallet or SP. Quote: Also ive been roaming around many systems annoying ppl so essentially its no one in particular I didn't feel upset that you picked me, I realised it could've been anyone, I was more upset that it this is such a drastic change, and means they game is no longer in a style I wish to play. Sometimes a cool new feature, really isn't that cool to a certain player base. People in my missions that I didn't bring with me, not a feature I like. i do see youre point and agree it needs changing. Well i was flying a cruiser actually maller to be exact you are right SP and wallet wouldnt have suffered. But yes the days of flying fairly safe missions in high sec are over with these latest changes
syphurous Gallente Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2006.12.05 23:57:00 - [20] Oh, Cruiser, sorry just looked at your info/stats to get an understanding of what I might expect. Didn't bother about the ship I didn't have anything at hand to take it out of the sky. . ------------------------- Rats, Rats The Magical Fruit, The More You Pop, The More You Loot !
syphurous Gallente Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2006.12.05 23:59:00 - [21] Oh, Cruiser, sorry just looked at your info/stats to get an understanding of what I might expect. Didn't bother about the ship I didn't have anything at hand to take it out of the sky. . ------------------------- Rats, Rats The Magical Fruit, The More You Pop, The More You Loot !
Eudyptes sclateri	Posted - 2006.12.06 00:19:00 - [22] Originally by: NocturnalDeath 'My Perspective' comes from playing Real Time strategy games. In which you try to harvest resources as fast and as efficiently as possible, at the same time you are converting these resources into a military. You use your military to 1. Keep the other guy from harvesting resources fast and efficient 2. To kill him til hes dead. 3. Win the game. Eve is a GIANT RTS game with some RPG thrown in. I intend to do steps 1 through 3 as best I can. I can't help that there are others who don't care about winning, and don't want to play a game where BY DESIGN, EVERYTHING IS PvP. Empire space is not there for people to carebear and "PvE" forever. It is a stepping stone and breaking in process to getting out to 0.0 where you can kill them 'til they're dead and WIN the game. Uh... are you playing the same game as us? EVE isn't an RTS. Someone must have changed your EVE shortcut to point to Starcraft. Sorry, people who try to "win" an MMORPG make me laugh. __________________________________________________ Ever notice that people who say "problem solved" seem to have the worst ideas?
Miss Overlord Gallente Ferrum Pugnus New Eve Order	Posted - 2006.12.06 00:20:00 - [23] there is no win just continous fighting These posts represent my personal views and not those of my corp or alliance. These do not reflect offical alliance or corp views This is a disclaimer
Montaire Lacedaemon. Sparta Alliance	Posted - 2006.12.06 00:49:00 - [24] Well, I hate to say it but your kinda outta luck here. There are game mechanics in place to make things "Safer" for you in high security, but you are by no means safe. EVE is a cut-throat place, and you have to realise that. As much as I respect that there are many styles of play, EVE is not supportive of a style that is 100% safe. Some games are, such as WOW. It may be that those games would be better for you. CCP wanted to make it easier to find people in space. That was their stated intent. Now people can find mission runners, and those same mission runners should be prepared to fight if necessary to protect what they want. Also, please remember you are in a NPC Corp. This is the absolute bottom of the totem pole in EVE. Its a place for new players to learn the ropes, for inexperienced people to get to know the game. You seemingly know the game, you dont sound like a new player and your willing to smack in local. It seems time for you to move out of the NPC corp, and be aware pretty soon CCP is going to find a way to FORCE you out. This game is about conflict. Its about fighting against other players, and everything that comes with it. Its constant fighting vs other players. Pretty soon we are going to fight over who gets the best level 4 missions as they continue to push them into low security. Every patch CCP pushs content away from empire, towards the lawless lands of low secuiryt. 0.0 space has expanded recently. Empire Resource (ice belts) have been depleted recently and will continue to do so. This game is pushing you out of the easy zone, and into the zone where PVP is a fact of life. Now you can fight it if you like, but you will lose when the developers push the content you want to access out to 0.0 or low sec. PVE is not a lifestyle in EVE - its a training ground. Its time to graduate.
snerdly	Posted - 2006.12.06 01:12:00 - [25] To put it bluntly: if you mission runners and carebears had their way, EVE would be another monotonous grind-fest, just like, oh, WoW. PvP would only be allowed in specially designted areas, far from the carebears' precious grinding locations. What does that sound like? Oh, yes, that's right, WoW. If you like endless, risk-free grinding, feel free to go try it. You'll like it... and, I know you told me not to say this but.. less lag for the rest of us. You may pay some of CCP's bill, but it should be rather clear to you at this point that... PvE is not an end. It is a means to an end; you acquire minerals, blueprints, money. What do you use them for? building/buying ships. The vast majority of these ships have one primary purpose: To kill.
syphurous Gallente Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2006.12.06 01:28:00 - [26] Originally by: snerdly To put it.... Things weren't broken, those who wanted some risk, or a place to call their own went into low sec, people who didn't go into low sec stayed out, missed out on the rewards & hardly got fat off the loot/ore they gathered. Pirates got their prey, and those who quietly spent time playing missions, building their skills and wallet up could do so in peace. I've harmed no ones game experience, infact remaining in a n00b corp for so long ( 4 months or there abouts ) means I have had the oppotunity to help out other players. If the pirates had their way, the game would be all about kill board stats, every system would become 0.0. If I wanted to "rank" myself against other players I'd go play CS. You can keep your lowsec, your pirating and any other activity you want, but I have no need to prove how big my epeen is. I enjoy running missions, helping out players who need a hand getting past that "last room", and making my character better at running the missions. I have no urge to go play WoW, it really doesn't excite my imagination. WC never really was one of my favourite RTS's. The maturity on their servers is lacking compared to the experience I have found on Eve. Ships are meant to kill, thats exactly what you do, wether it be PvP or PvE, human or AI is the only difference. . ------------------------- Rats, Rats The Magical Fruit, The More You Pop, The More You Loot !
Miss Overlord Gallente Ferrum Pugnus New Eve Order	Posted - 2006.12.06 01:48:00 - [27] there are no designated zones tho u see basically everywhere is the same as everywhere else. But i understand youre view as well. to be honest mission runners being visited by friends can be a good thing to. These posts represent my personal views and not those of my corp or alliance. These do not reflect offical alliance or corp views This is a disclaimer
Ngwee Gallente 7 SAI	Posted - 2006.12.06 06:34:00 - [28] If the salvager HAS killed a mission ship and stolen mission dependent loot which has caused a mission to fail he is in deep trouble. Petition this immediately as behaviour like this has caused lifetime bans for players responsible, as it is griefplay as defined by CCP. So petition this and lets have less people around who believe they have the sole right to play exactly as they want to and do not care the slightest in how it affects other people.
Miss Overlord Gallente Ferrum Pugnus New Eve Order	Posted - 2006.12.06 06:46:00 - [29] Originally by: Ngwee If the salvager HAS killed a mission ship and stolen mission dependent loot which has caused a mission to fail he is in deep trouble. Petition this immediately as behaviour like this has caused lifetime bans for players responsible, as it is griefplay as defined by CCP. So petition this and lets have less people around who believe they have the sole right to play exactly as they want to and do not care the slightest in how it affects other people. lets have this confirmed by a dev then we will have to stop otherwise its legal despite youre say so. If i warp in after scanning someone in low sec kill them and their rat ( whos to say it wasnt cosmos or the new exploration stuff that they were fighting) so if u can provide a link to a dev post it will force us all to stop this until then its a free for all imo These posts represent my personal views and not those of my corp or alliance. These do not reflect offical alliance or corp views This is a disclaimer
Letri Bimmet Gallente	Posted - 2006.12.06 10:04:00 - [30] hmmm...so one needs protection against other players when doing missions now....great ¼_¼

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