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Tenaj
Amarr
Imperial Shipment
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Posted - 2006.12.05 21:02:00 -
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Edited by: Tenaj on 05/12/2006 21:13:26
Hi.
Well, crim flagging for ore theft has been a feature for a long time now. I recall how the miners would gloat as the patch drew nearer and they boasted that the likes of me would be eradicated. To be honest, I got a little nervous, was this the end of my career??
I decided to give it a shot and parked my trusty (and rusty) old Itty V and bought an Occator. Fearing the worst I set out into high sec and proceeded to steal some ore, my heart racing as I envisaged the rain of fire that would shortly end my hugely overpriced Occator, my bounty and send me off to the clone vats in a sulk.
But......nothing. The same again a second time, then a third and a fourth...weeks have turned into months and I can count on one hand the number of times people have fired on me to defend their cans.
I have a great deal of respect for those who have, but where are the much talked about escorts for mining ops? Where are the much vaunted Battleships the pilots of the mining barges bragged would be parked in system waiting for them to leap into and wreak their revenge?
Come on folks, you can do better than this can't you? Or are the only real men in Eve actually us girls?? 
Tenaj
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LittleTerror
Caldari
Beer and Kebabs
Pirate Coalition
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Posted - 2006.12.05 23:26:00 -
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lol funny isn't it, they cryed so hard for the option of shooting the thief and now they do nothing and most still get robbed, cowards. Carebears make me laugh, they get it so easy, every patch has some sort of carebear boost in it and they still die and do nothing but ******* whine whine whine...
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Tobias Sjodin
Caldari
Ore Mongers
SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2006.12.05 23:31:00 -
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The real men are certainly not writing whiny posts projecting their own inadequacies on anyone but themselves.
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Tenaj
Amarr
Imperial Shipment
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Posted - 2006.12.05 23:43:00 -
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Edited by: Tenaj on 05/12/2006 23:46:06
 Originally by: Tobias Sjodin
The real men are certainly not writing whiny posts projecting their own inadequacies on anyone but themselves.
Um.....OK. Can anyone translate into English please? I pride myself on a reasonable level of literacy but this whole Freudian analysis bit has always escaped me to be honest.
Channel TOOKURSTUFF, serving the Criminal community.
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Kin Hanyerec
Reikoku
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.12.06 00:06:00 -
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Edited by: Kin Hanyerec on 06/12/2006 00:08:55
Originally by: Tenaj
Edited by: Tenaj on 05/12/2006 23:46:06
Originally by: Tobias Sjodin
The real men are certainly not writing whiny posts projecting their own inadequacies on anyone but themselves.
Um.....OK. Can anyone translate into English please? I pride myself on a reasonable level of literacy but this whole Freudian analysis bit has always escaped me to be honest.
He is telling that you are whining because the miners are not shooting you. That instead of blaming them you should admit your own incompetence. TRY HARDER.
I think he misunderstood your post.
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Stakhanov
Gallente
Acid Enema Of Doomed Gerbils
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Posted - 2006.12.06 00:51:00 -
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I've been taffing ore for a while now , but so far haven't lost a single ship doing so... neither my weak imicus , nor my bulky hoarder. Miners rarely ever fight back - and some who tried paid a high price for it... (ganging up with another high sec pirate for can swapping is so evil)
Nevertheless , it's still somewhat entertaining - the miners' reactions are varied , from terminally annoyed to amused and friendly. I've got some funny chat logs mentionning a "cloaked thief" (that's what you get for afk mining  ) although most people don't even bother to report ore thieves anymore.
Warp to zero made hauling much faster and safer - that includes stolen ore 
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Devian 666
Sectoid Technologies
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Posted - 2006.12.06 02:21:00 -
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Warp to 0km is actually for ore thieves and to make mobile bubbles and dictors more common. Warp to 0km is a curse on all carebears as it has made all space more dangerous. Warp to 0km is only for the purpose of helping pirates (except my friends who've finished training to be snipers  )
Most carebears won't report ore theft as they've probably learnt from the past that they'll get war dec'd and hunted down, or they don't want to look like a complete fool.
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Balor Rand
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.12.06 03:36:00 -
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Or perhaps they just don't care. Its just a game and anything lost are just so many pixels. In the end it doesn't mean a thing. Thats why some of my RL friends hate playing any game against me ... because its just a game and I treat it as such.
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Stakhanov
Gallente
Acid Enema Of Doomed Gerbils
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Posted - 2006.12.06 03:46:00 -
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Edited by: Stakhanov on 06/12/2006 03:46:25
A valid point. Someone mining in a hulk won't care if he loses a can - although it's somewhat profitable for the ore thief , especially if the opportunity to "tax" several people per system presents itself. It annoys mining cruisers more , usually 
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Lithalnas
Amarr
Hadean Drive Yards
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Posted - 2006.12.06 03:54:00 -
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didnt you try stealing from my prophecy and got concoduken'd in the process?
I remember someone tried to steal my can with a rupture, he stole, i lock, i shot a missile, and he shot back, the problem was i never changed my target to him, but he freaked out and shot me. Roid take 1 heavy assault missile (prepatch), best weapon in the game, the concoduken.
I looted his can and it was good.
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Jurskjeld
Minmatar
Pator Tech School
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Posted - 2006.12.06 08:43:00 -
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Real men, and women, go into lowsec and nosec to build something, having a common goal greater than the worth of a single invidiual.
If you have fun stealing ore, holy bum do you have things left to discover. 
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Setana Manoro
Gallente
The Scope
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Posted - 2006.12.06 11:34:00 -
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They are fighting back Tenaj, depends on how much you can annoy them, and secondary on how much you steal from them. :)
PS: So you are back in the game Tenaj ?
Must say that you're ore theft guides were a fun read, and got me started. :)
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Marsha11
Bad Karma.
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Posted - 2006.12.06 12:07:00 -
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Originally by: Tenaj
Edited by: Tenaj on 05/12/2006 23:46:06
Originally by: Tobias Sjodin
The real men are certainly not writing whiny posts projecting their own inadequacies on anyone but themselves.
Um.....OK. Can anyone translate into English please? I pride myself on a reasonable level of literacy but this whole Freudian analysis bit has always escaped me to be honest.
Sounds like someone threw a bunch of big words together in an attempt to sound intelligent. The fact they forgot about context is where they failed
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Ko Nguyen
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Posted - 2006.12.06 12:40:00 -
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Real miners have haulers standing by to scoop up the ore as it comes into the can. Real miners rarely leave enough ore in a can to get upset if an ore thief takes it. Real men plan ahead.
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Maxine Blade
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Posted - 2006.12.09 19:42:00 -
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We've kicked out 2 ore thieves from our system. Actually, we're watching them move their ships from system right now.
Miners united!!!
They lost over 300mill in ships.
2 Curses, 10 Punishers, 3 Harbingers...
LOL, turn tail and run!!!
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eLusi0n
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.12.10 05:18:00 -
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Originally by: Tenaj
Edited by: Tenaj on 05/12/2006 21:13:26
I have a great deal of respect for those who have, but where are the much talked about escorts for mining ops? Where are the much vaunted Battleships the pilots of the mining barges bragged would be parked in system waiting for them to leap into and wreak their revenge?
In low sec.
"Get a haircut and get a real job."
- how many licks does it take to get to the center of your ship? -
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Kiyirari
Love and Rockets
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Posted - 2006.12.10 11:27:00 -
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Oh the sweet ol days of ore removal, many fond memorys
I was also rather disappointed at the lack of miners who fighted back after the patch, it was almost as nothing had changed.
I once enjoyed a chase through many systems by a carcal and a ferroxs, lucky for me wcs and mutli specs worked back then and save meh lil baby smooth butt
I enjoyed the chase so much after the aggression timer went away, i had to go back for 2nd helping of ore
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Harris
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Posted - 2006.12.10 12:12:00 -
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The problem is, that 'we' (the royal 'we'.. us miner types) don't know who you have in gang so rarely risk taking 'you' on in case you have a raven warp in and gank us.
Have heard a few tales of a battle badger holding a prophecy while the hulk used it's drones to kill it though, pretty sure that if you're operating alone, you (ore thieves) run that risk all the time though.
I'm a miner by trade, ore thieves are part of the game and I'm happy with that so not whinging, it's just annoying and time consuming while an ore thief hangs around your can waiting for you to top it up again.
The amount of bookmarks holding cans open that I've lost to ore thieves is irritating..
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Barstander
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Posted - 2006.12.10 18:54:00 -
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newb here
basically I'm kitted out for mining, so its unlikely I'm going to fight back in my mining ship. (currently an osprey) and fankly I'm new enough that I don't have anything back at the station that will give the ore thief a real fight. I have tried, lost a merlin (was all I had to fight with) and once drove a guy off with my destroyer, only to have him reappear 10 minutes later as I was scooping the can in my badger (which I subsequently lost to him). So yeah, its basically not worth it to fight back for the ore can, at least not for the ore I'm mining. If an ore thief shows up, I just move to a new belt or system.
3mil osprey > 1 mil worth of ore in can.
when I get a better ship to fight with (and believe me, I will just as soon as I can afford it, I'll be happy to fight you ore thieves again)
by the way, I too just consider ore thieves part of the game, though somewhat annoying to newer players... especially the guy who jacked my can while I was in a bantam.. I mean come on, thats worse than taking candy from a baby... and its crappy candy at that.
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Ibram Ancille
Gallente
The Wailing Doom
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Posted - 2006.12.10 22:01:00 -
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I'm sure this has probably been said before but anyone who mines into a jet can deserves to have it flipped/stolen. IMHO, jet can mining is an exploit since people who do are too lazy to use secure cans. C'mon now, 27,000 m3 as opposed to 3900 m3 is just to easy to pass up, I know, but don't complain about ore thieves if there are some very simple steps you can take to secure your ore and avoid all that frustration.
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General Coochie
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Posted - 2006.12.10 22:47:00 -
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Can you use secure cans in 0.5 and above?
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sgt spike
Sicarri Covenant
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Posted - 2006.12.10 23:13:00 -
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im thinking about becoming a miner just to get more fights tbh
can you put a price on peace?
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Soporo
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Posted - 2006.12.11 00:21:00 -
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Edited by: Soporo on 11/12/2006 00:24:32
As far as Empire goes: You can only anchor a secure can in the lower high sec systems.
Noobs wont be anchoring cans because they either dont know or are in a .8 .9 or 1.0 system. |
Maxine Blade
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Posted - 2006.12.12 05:07:00 -
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Originally by: Harris
The problem is, that 'we' (the royal 'we'.. us miner types) don't know who you have in gang so rarely risk taking 'you' on in case you have a raven warp in and gank us.
Have heard a few tales of a battle badger holding a prophecy while the hulk used it's drones to kill it though, pretty sure that if you're operating alone, you (ore thieves) run that risk all the time though.
I'm a miner by trade, ore thieves are part of the game and I'm happy with that so not whinging, it's just annoying and time consuming while an ore thief hangs around your can waiting for you to top it up again.
The amount of bookmarks holding cans open that I've lost to ore thieves is irritating..
This isn't an issue. An ore thief who steals from a can is flagged. If you shoot at him, his gangmates and corp mates cannot help him during this time. The best the thief can do is solo. We just destroyed another of the thieves Dominix. That's 2 Curses, 3 Harbingers, 2 Dominix, and a bunch of Punishers we've taken from this one thief.
He still claims that he is ahead. I'm sure he is, but he isn't ahead of our corp. He stole about 10mil of ore from our corp, but he's lost over 400mil in ships. He hasn't bothered us at all the last 2 days.
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Kerik Igan
Critical Analysis
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Posted - 2006.12.12 07:55:00 -
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I remember a kestrel that stole from a can that I stole from a macro. Unfortunately for him, he sorta blew up
Another hauler was blown up today when he stole from a can I was tractoring behind me while waiting for the loooong queue at jita. He dropped heavy missles, I was in love.
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Shandling
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Posted - 2006.12.12 08:58:00 -
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The only people who utilize the flagging systems are new pirates who put a can outside a starting area named 'free stuff'. New players go for it and get popped in their starter ships.
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Zed Hound
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.12.12 09:08:00 -
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Stealing ore is worthless, id be ashamed to do it. And most miners in high sec dont keep a giant stash sitting around in a can waiting to get stolen. Most dont care anymore as its just a minor inconvinience. As for you picking a fight with high sec miners, nice one. Why not find someone that wants to fight? only real men in eve girls eh? hardly. They dont even compare. |
Ship Monger
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Posted - 2006.12.12 11:28:00 -
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Come mine in Tannolen, you will die. *unless your blue, then I'll help you.
Ship Monger, I Mine with my Tier2 Battlecruiser. My drones are ALWAYS combat oriented. I love sinking thieves.
Greetings, to those in the non agression pact with the Priory of Chaos. You are welcome in Tannolen, in all ways.
I will attack your enemies.
I will fix your ships, in the field.
I will provide |
Karees
Gallente
GalacTECH Unlimited
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Posted - 2006.12.12 11:52:00 -
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I don't usually hang around high sec space, but the one time that I did go mining in high sec I didn't have any problems with ore theft. It might have had something to do with the fact that I was flying a domi at the time, and the fact that any ore thiefs that warped into my belt got locked and a look at my Ogres MIGHT have had some impact on their decision to not steal my ore
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Rooker
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Posted - 2006.12.12 21:52:00 -
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Don't feed the troll..... Don't feed the troll..... Don't feed..... oh the hell with it.
You're trying to pick fights with ships armed with mining lasers and have the nerve to ask where the "real men" are? 
Since those big, mean mining frigs won't turn on you and.... whatever it is you think a mining laser-fitted ship should do, why not go to the 1.0 newb systems and steal the gate key the newbs need while they're doing the tutorial? Just be careful. Those noob ships come with a mining laser AND a gun.
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