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Celestis Kudzu	Posted - 2006.12.05 23:32:00 - [1] Edited by: Celestis Kudzu on 05/12/2006 23:38:10 The new backround stars make my older computer lose 5-10 frames per second. When can I expect an option to turn them off? Was I crazy when I thought this ability would be included in the December 5th patch?
Derelyk	Posted - 2006.12.06 01:24:00 - [2] Originally by: Celestis Kudzu Edited by: Celestis Kudzu on 05/12/2006 23:38:10 The new backround stars make my older computer lose 5-10 frames per second. When can I expect an option to turn them off? Was I crazy when I thought this ability would be included in the December 5th patch? waits for answer
Stitcher Caldari J.I.T. Enterprises Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2006.12.06 01:38:00 - [3] What is it with people and the star field? At least yours is a valid performance-based complaint, the last lot I saw wanted it gotten rid of because it was "unrealistic"... Btw, may I enquire as to what your average FPS is nowadays? I tend to consider anything above 25 to be perfectly fine (Seeing as this is the frame rate of a TV program or movie) *** DEAR CCP PLz fix players ever1y has wining lvl 5 + wining is OP plz nerrf wining + fix players i get gankd by wining evry time i enter forums y u not do sumthing about it?
Maya Rkell Forsaken Empire	Posted - 2006.12.06 01:40:00 - [4] Yes it'd be reasonable, if you were running at 640*480 on a slow-refresh phosphur screen. You're not. Your monitor is NOT a TV. //Maya
Fuujin Hadean Drive Yards	Posted - 2006.12.06 01:41:00 - [5] Upgrade your computer. Hadean Drive Yards Tier 2 BC Pricing
Maya Rkell Forsaken Empire	Posted - 2006.12.06 01:43:00 - [6] Originally by: Fuujin Upgrade your computer. Yes, and you're sending the cash, when? You're plain and simple trolling - he did not say "turn them off", he said "can I have have the option to turn them off". //Maya
Stitcher Caldari J.I.T. Enterprises Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2006.12.06 01:49:00 - [7] Originally by: Maya Rkell Yes it'd be reasonable, if you were running at 640480 on a slow-refresh phosphur screen. You're not. Your monitor is NOT a TV. /me shrugs I'm not that clued in on the difference between a monitor and TV (more software-oriented, me). Still, what people have been telling me is that you want to be above 30 at least. I guess I'm kind of removed from such earthly concerns, frankly (<- has an average FPS of 180-ish) *** DEAR CCP PLz fix players ever1y has wining lvl 5 + wining is OP plz nerrf wining + fix players i get gankd by wining evry time i enter forums y u not do sumthing about it?
Stitcher Caldari J.I.T. Enterprises Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2006.12.06 01:54:00 - [8] Edited by: Stitcher on 06/12/2006 01:55:04 Originally by: Stitcher Originally by: Maya Rkell Yes it'd be reasonable, if you were running at 640480 on a slow-refresh phosphur screen. You're not. Your monitor is NOT a TV. /me shrugs I'm not that clued in on the difference between a monitor and TV (more software-oriented, me). Still, what people have been telling me is that you want to be above 30 at least. I guess I'm kind of removed from such earthly concerns, frankly (<- has an average FPS of 180-ish) EDIT: btw, in response to the "upgrade/trolling" thing - EVE is looking at a pretty major graphical overhaul sometime in the presumably not too distant future. I understand that the update won't be mandatory, and that the old engine will still be an option, but the fact is that as we move forward, the demands placed on a PCs system, especially by gamers, increase pretty rapidly. I consider regular upgrades as being an integral part of owning a PC, and not necessarily an expensive one if you do it right. for now, if upgrading isn't an option, maybe the OP should consider overclocking instead? maybe CCP will give a "bStarField true/false" option, maybe they won't. maybe providing such an option would be such a huge change to the game's code that it would have to be included in the next big update. Maybe it's not possible at all if we want the map to keep working. we don't know. for now, I say assume that it's here to stay, and do what you can to help adress your performance issues yourself. EDIT2: gah. thought I clicked "Edit", not quote.... *** DEAR CCP PLz fix players ever1y has wining lvl 5 + wining is OP plz nerrf wining + fix players i get gankd by wining evry time i enter forums y u not do sumthing about it?
Fuujin Hadean Drive Yards	Posted - 2006.12.06 02:00:00 - [9] Edited by: Fuujin on 06/12/2006 02:00:24 Originally by: Maya Rkell Originally by: Fuujin Upgrade your computer. Yes, and you're sending the cash, when? You're plain and simple trolling - he did not say "turn them off", he said "can I have have the option to turn them off". CCP has bigger issues to worry about then someone who doesn't want to fork out a few bucks to upgrade his commodore 64. Guess what, i had graphics related lag on my comp too, instead of asking ccp to turn off ships i worked a bit more and spent some money on a decent card. Hadean Drive Yards Tier 2 BC Pricing
Ayms Obsidian Asylum Pure.	Posted - 2006.12.06 02:00:00 - [10] More importantly, why is the starfield to blame? What evidence is there that the starfield is what is causing this FPS drop?
Derelyk	Posted - 2006.12.06 02:18:00 - [11] Originally by: Fuujin Edited by: Fuujin on 06/12/2006 02:00:24 Originally by: Maya Rkell Originally by: Fuujin Upgrade your computer. Yes, and you're sending the cash, when? You're plain and simple trolling - he did not say "turn them off", he said "can I have have the option to turn them off". CCP has bigger issues to worry about then someone who doesn't want to fork out a few bucks to upgrade his commodore 64. Guess what, i had graphics related lag on my comp too, instead of asking ccp to turn off ships i worked a bit more and spent some money on a decent card. nice strawman you built there, comparing turning off ships which directly effect game play to turning of stars in the background which add nothing to gameplay. here's a cookie.
Fuujin Hadean Drive Yards	Posted - 2006.12.06 02:21:00 - [12] Really, why not just have a static image. It's just asthetics. Hadean Drive Yards Tier 2 BC Pricing
Derelyk	Posted - 2006.12.06 02:24:00 - [13] Originally by: Ayms More importantly, why is the starfield to blame? What evidence is there that the starfield is what is causing this FPS drop? my guess would be ccp's known issues page.
Ayms Obsidian Asylum Pure.	Posted - 2006.12.06 02:30:00 - [14] Originally by: Derelyk Originally by: Ayms More importantly, why is the starfield to blame? What evidence is there that the starfield is what is causing this FPS drop? my guess would be ccp's known issues page. There is a known issues page? OK. So if it's a known issue, why would you think they are not looking to fix it? People really do just look for ways to whine. f.ex me and this whole thread.
Mondo Banana	Posted - 2006.12.06 02:58:00 - [15] An option to turn the starfield off would be great, especially because it looks like crap.
Miss Overlord Gallente Ferrum Pugnus New Eve Order	Posted - 2006.12.06 03:00:00 - [16] i think optional display would be good turn it on or off These posts represent my personal views and not those of my corp or alliance. These do not reflect offical alliance or corp views This is a disclaimer
Grez Minmatar The Raven Warriors	Posted - 2006.12.06 03:07:00 - [17] There is zero evidence that the Starfield causes graphical lag, and the Known Issues forum is nothing to go by. If your machine is really getting 5-10 fps undocked, then you should seriously consider an upgrade. If you already have all the options disabled, resolution at it's lowest, and all that jazz, and your machine cannot render a few hundred pixels, then you really, really, really need to consider an upgrade. Also, the average human eye cannot tell the difference of anything above 72, some can, some can't. --- Cache Clearer Still waiting for a Wrangler-edit!
CarIito Brigante	Posted - 2006.12.06 04:19:00 - [18] I dont know if u guys have noticed but them stars there in the background are actual systems in eve which i think has been added in the new patch (which i think is really cool and gives a bigger sense of well being within the universe :P ), so maybe beause there are more stars youre getting lag ? if i was you i would add in the command line of eve to have the screen set at 800x600 60mhz (although its not a supported resolution you will have to tweak youre comp a bit) especially if youre comp is old and having problems (you could actually buy a new card any card above ú40 which isnt much can handle eve pretty well its not that much of a graphic resource hog unless youre in massive fleet wars ). theres my 2 cents
Fuujin Hadean Drive Yards	Posted - 2006.12.06 05:00:00 - [19] Originally by: Mondo Banana An option to turn the starfield off would be great, especially because it looks like crap. Looks pretty damn nice to me. Hadean Drive Yards Tier 2 BC Pricing
Alt Troll	Posted - 2006.12.06 06:58:00 - [20] hold your hand infront of your screen so you can't see them ____________ FEED me! You know you want to -all posts made on this character represent the views of my main's corp, alliance, as well as the views of everyone else in EVE and in the universe.-
Celestis Kudzu	Posted - 2006.12.06 07:38:00 - [21] Edited by: Celestis Kudzu on 06/12/2006 07:43:51 I know the stars are to blame because on Sisi they didn't display until your brought up the galaxy map. After bringing up the galaxy map my FPS took a solid 5-10 frame hit when the stars were displayed in the system's backround. After jumping the stars would vanish and FPS would go up. Until I brought up the world map again... Maybe they will address the issue but I could have sworn they said they were going to give you the option to turn them off in this mini-patch. My computer used to get much higher frame rates before this whole Dragon-Kali thing. My computer isn't some stone aged relic but keeping framerates above 15 in fleet battles goes a long way in making the game more enjoyable.
Andrue Amarr	Posted - 2006.12.06 08:10:00 - [22] Originally by: Fuujin Really, why not just have a static image. It's just asthetics. Yeah. That static image could be generated once when you enter the system. There's no reason why stellar relationships should change just because you're moving around within one system. There probably won't be much change even when moving around a single constellation. It would also be nice if they'd size/colour the stars. Once or twice I've had a seamless map glitch and been left with the star map half zoomed on top of my in space view and it looked great. -- (Battle hardened industrialist) [Brackley, UK] Linux is only free if your time is worthless
Andrue Amarr	Posted - 2006.12.06 08:13:00 - [23] Edited by: Andrue on 06/12/2006 08:13:58 Originally by: Grez There is zero evidence that the Starfield causes graphical lag, and the Known Issues forum is nothing to go by. If your machine is really getting 5-10 fps undocked, then you should seriously consider an upgrade. If you already have all the options disabled, resolution at it's lowest, and all that jazz, and your machine cannot render a few hundred pixels, then you really, really, really need to consider an upgrade. Also, the average human eye cannot tell the difference of anything above 72, some can, some can't. First off it's over five thousand stars (although I agree that probably only a few hundred are actually drawn at a time they all have to be considered). Secondly rendering an individual pixel can be quite innefficient. It's probably being done entirely through software rather than the gfx card. I don't have any proof that the stars are the problem (and personally I love the concept) but as a programmer who has dabbled in graphics now and again I'd not be at all surprised if the constant star rendering is responsible for the fps drop. -- (Battle hardened industrialist) [Brackley, UK] Linux is only free if your time is worthless
Ghitza Backup Squad	Posted - 2006.12.06 08:20:00 - [24] I dont need new stars background. Its cuting down my FPS in PvP and i REALLY dont need it so why i have to look at it? Option to turn it off would be all i need.
Barsei Cataclysm Enterprises	Posted - 2006.12.06 09:38:00 - [25] i dont think that the performance probleme have something to do with the stars out there. several people have some performance problem and some have a performance boost. what i can say is, it doesnt change anything for me, before and after the patch i have an averages of 15fps
Feerax Caldari FATAL REVELATIONS Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.12.06 10:45:00 - [26] I want an option to turn off the stars and an option to turn off the new map animation.
Hana Brenecki	Posted - 2006.12.06 10:55:00 - [27] The new starfield and map animations are the most meaningful upgrades EVE has had in the last year. I don't care if it goes at 1 frame a second. I want my pretty stars and map, and I think they should be force-fed to everyone.
Kusan Awazhen Caldari TITAN INDUSTRIES ELITE	Posted - 2006.12.06 11:12:00 - [28] I think its safe to assume that the stars are not "rendered" in realtime. More likely that their position is calculated once per system and then displayed in the same way like a background bitmmap. Absolutly no framerate decrease for me.
Eomar Standard Operations Building Services	Posted - 2006.12.06 12:32:00 - [29] Originally by: Hana Brenecki The new starfield and map animations are the most meaningful upgrades EVE has had in the last year. I don't care if it goes at 1 frame a second. I want my pretty stars and map, and I think they should be force-fed to everyone. meaningful??! yeah if by meaningful you mean "it means you have to wat while it zooms out and spins round and generally ****es round before finally giving you the damned thing you wanted in the first place." When im using my satnav it doesnt zoom out from my present location all the way to the world map. nor would i want it to. same goes with the map as far as im concerned. fine it does look cool. but frankly i couldnt give a toss WHAT it looks lke if it annoys hell out of me everytime i try to use it. Starfield again is something that adds absolutely nothing to my game. the option to turn it off would be nice. for all it may or may not decrease performance its still unneccessary background noise. I do feel that people who would rather have functionality over aesthetics should at least have some options. ...in accordance with the prophecy
Strength Cow	Posted - 2006.12.06 12:36:00 - [30] Originally by: Celestis Kudzu Edited by: Celestis Kudzu on 05/12/2006 23:38:10 The new backround stars make my older computer lose 5-10 frames per second. When can I expect an option to turn them off? Was I crazy when I thought this ability would be included in the December 5th patch? How could you POSSIBLY know the new background stars make you lose FPS? They were put in with 895 other changes to the game. Is it just because you are a control freak obsessive compulsive perfectionist with bad taste that you don't like the new stars, and therefore DECIDED they are making your FPS lower?
Andrue Amarr	Posted - 2006.12.06 12:38:00 - [31] Edited by: Andrue on 06/12/2006 12:37:18 Originally by: Kusan Awazhen I think its safe to assume that the stars are not "rendered" in realtime. More likely that their position is calculated once per system and then displayed in the same way like a background bitmmap. Absolutly no framerate decrease for me. Wrong. If you watch the stars as you crawl toward a gate you will see them doing a staggered shuffle. The relative pixel distance between a pair of stars grows and shrinks. This wouldn't happen if they were rendered once (which is another good reason for the single render route). -- (Battle hardened industrialist) [Brackley, UK] Linux is only free if your time is worthless
Avon Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.06 12:42:00 - [32] Originally by: Fuujin Upgrade your computer. Here we have an example of how easy it is to become a sucker of consumerism. What we should all do is downgrade our computers. You really think that you should have to upgrade your hardware so that software producers can keep selling you new versions of your old software? Think about it. The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur
Tachy	Posted - 2006.12.06 12:44:00 - [33] The pod gives you the positions of all known and reachable stars in the system background. It is a very nice feature. It could look nice. With those stars all being of the same size and colour right now it seems a wee bit useless. Actually, only the stars in the background. In the map we had that nice feature where it did show us the true star colour. It wasn't reflected by the actual star in the systems though, but that's another story - same as gates only being able to exist in systems with dual stars. It doesn't have any obvious purpose at the moment past slowing the client down a bit. (New dev's entry project?) --==*-- The cause for this is not yet known, but we do have a possible fix in testing. by Sharkbait \| 2006.09.20
Strength Cow	Posted - 2006.12.06 12:49:00 - [34] Originally by: Eomar Originally by: Hana Brenecki The new starfield and map animations are the most meaningful upgrades EVE has had in the last year. I don't care if it goes at 1 frame a second. I want my pretty stars and map, and I think they should be force-fed to everyone. meaningful??! yeah if by meaningful you mean "it means you have to wat while it zooms out and spins round and generally **es round before finally giving you the damned thing you wanted in the first place." No, I think it was meaningful as in "meaning it was a sarcastic point which sides with you and you totally missed it." Originally by:** Eomar When im using my satnav it doesnt zoom out from my present location all the way to the world map. nor would i want it to. same goes with the map as far as im concerned. There is already an option to make the animation instant. I tried it. It is instant if you dont use flatten map. And if you do use flatten map, it takes about 1 sec. Originally by: Eomar fine it does look cool. but frankly i couldnt give a toss WHAT it looks lke if it annoys hell out of me everytime i try to use it. Grow a stronger mind and quit letting things that dont matter annoy you so much. If you bought EVE yesterday and began playing, youd never even THINK ABOUT IT as something negative. It is not inherently a problem. It is a problem because you DECIDED to be annoyed by it because your brain is suffer from what makes all brians begin to grow old, which is inability to adapt and change. (I'm being serious, not just throwing out random insults. The words I'm using are my literal analysis of the situation and not just made up on a whim.)
Crumplecorn Gallente Aerial Boundaries Inc. Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.12.06 13:07:00 - [35] Originally by: Avon Originally by: Fuujin Upgrade your computer. Here we have an example of how easy it is to become a sucker of consumerism. What we should all do is downgrade our computers. You really think that you should have to upgrade your hardware so that software producers can keep selling you new versions of your old software? Think about it. I demand an Eve client that runs on Windows 3.11 with the graphical quality of Space Invaders. \o/ ---------- IBTL \o/ EVE is upside down! WTZ+Slower Warp=Win
MailFan Horizon.Inc	Posted - 2006.12.06 13:20:00 - [36] Edited by: MailFan on 06/12/2006 13:19:55 Imo the new starmap is nice, and it looks sweet when you zoom out and see the systems are actually real systems in EVE. Now I wouldn't mind at all having this map, if it would not be that I had a comparable fps drop like other people. I'm not saying it's because of the map, I just would like a response by the Devs if it is. And if so, remove it :p (or make an on/off option). -- Cry havoc and let loose the dogs of war
Celestis Kudzu	Posted - 2006.12.06 18:23:00 - [37] Edited by: Celestis Kudzu on 06/12/2006 18:23:10 Originally by: Strength Cow How could you POSSIBLY know the new background stars make you lose FPS? They were put in with 895 other changes to the game. Is it just because you are a control freak obsessive compulsive perfectionist with bad taste that you don't like the new stars, and therefore DECIDED they are making your FPS lower? No. You're wrong. I tested it on Sisi before and with the star field in the backround my computer took a serious FPS hit. On Sisi it was possible to have the star field rendered in system or not. When the star field was not drawn I would get much higher frame rates then with the stars being drawn. Of course asking you to read would be too much.
Mondo Banana	Posted - 2006.12.06 19:07:00 - [38] If your idea of "nice" is a scattering of single pixels that shuffle across the screen like a never ending wave of tiny stellar drunks, then yes, it is indeed "pretty."
Snarlie Brown	Posted - 2006.12.06 19:12:00 - [39] Originally by: Fuujin CCP has bigger issues to worry about then someone who doesn't want to fork out a few bucks to upgrade his commodore 64. Guess what, i had graphics related lag on my comp too, instead of asking ccp to turn off ships i worked a bit more and spent some money on a decent card. Wow.. and I was told that EVE's playerbase was supposedly vastly more mature than other MMORPGs.. I've yet to see it.
CarIito Brigante	Posted - 2006.12.07 15:04:00 - [40] Edited by: CarIito Brigante on 07/12/2006 15:08:19 Originally by: Snarlie Brown Originally by: Fuujin CCP has bigger issues to worry about then someone who doesn't want to fork out a few bucks to upgrade his commodore 64. Guess what, i had graphics related lag on my comp too, instead of asking ccp to turn off ships i worked a bit more and spent some money on a decent card. Wow.. and I was told that EVE's playerbase was supposedly vastly more mature than other MMORPGs.. I've yet to see it. Eve is vastly more mature than most MMO's, u cant take one mans opinion and reply and say that the whole community is like it, besides forums just end up being a place to let off steam for some people and i also fear forums bring out the worst in people no matter who they are, its just something the rest of community puts up with it doesnt matter what forum u go to its the same everywhere. edit PS we all have our moments as im sure u do too
Mesacc Gallente	Posted - 2006.12.07 15:16:00 - [41] Originally by: Grez Also, the average human eye cannot tell the difference of anything above 72, some can, some can't. 72? I always heard it was 24. Movies are only recorded at 24 FPS. I cant tell the difference between 24 or 15.
Alowishus Shadow Company Alektorophobia	Posted - 2006.12.07 15:19:00 - [42] The star map is eye candy. Being seamless hasn't made any difference to me (haven't checked FPS, game works so I don't care). I see people ask for all sorts of stupid **** on these forums, why is this guy being flamed for asking for something, that while mundane to me, is ultimately meaningless?

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