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Rhudabega Joe	Posted - 2006.12.06 19:10:00 - [1] I have a 4.5 million SP carebear that has been itching for something better (my current corp requests we use forum alts to avoid any negative publicity). Part of me wants to explore, part of me wants to see more ISK I keep hearing about being in 0.0, part of me just wants to get away from the whole negativity of being associated as a carebear. I've engaged in only a little PvP and found it fun but I don't think I could PvP 24/7. What is the customary (and respectful) way of contacting a corp/alliance to ask for the availability of a 'free pass'/blue standings so I don't get shot at for 'poaching' or spying? Do some corps let you use their space as long as you notify them for free or is 'renting' customary? If renting is the norm is there a 'normal' rent per week/month?
LUGAL MOP'N'GLO	Posted - 2006.12.06 19:12:00 - [2] Edited by: LUGAL MOP''N''GLO on 06/12/2006 19:15:01 Fit up a battlecruiser, decide where you're going to go, get an alt in the first 0.0 system, when its clear go. When you have a full cargo hold have friend come pick it up, or just go back to the first lowsec system and drop it off. Eventually you'll either get popped/podded and go back to highsec or you'll make friends in 0.0 who will let you hide outside their pos. It isn't that hard tbh. Edit: About the isk thing... Its not bad, its not that great though either. Its just luck. I was out 3jmps deep into 0.0 in a quiet system, made about 6m in bounties and picked up one 'arbalest' siege launcher (4m) in about 2hrs. So I'd say its not more profitable than running lvl IV's, but its just plain ol' more fun and exillerating when you are just warping out and two ceptors warp in on ya ~~~~~~~~~ I wish my lawn was EMO so it would cut itself. I approve of this message.
Mr dummy	Posted - 2006.12.06 19:15:00 - [3] To join a 0.0 alliance, you generally have to have several million SP. And thanks to mission griefing, your time in Empire is not going to be profitable. It's best just to keep paying your $14 a month, and just log on to change skills. With a bit of luck your character might be good enough to actually enjoy the game in 6 months time.
Nizbah SideKick Squad	Posted - 2006.12.06 19:16:00 - [4] Join an alliance and get some jump clones (my corporation has both if you're interested)
Nm'Me Amarr Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.12.06 19:17:00 - [5] Edited by: Nm''Me on 06/12/2006 19:16:46 Originally by: Mr dummy To join a 0.0 alliance, you generally have to have several million SP. And thanks to mission griefing, your time in Empire is not going to be profitable. It's best just to keep paying your $14 a month, and just log on to change skills. With a bit of luck your character might be good enough to actually enjoy the game in 6 months time. Just ignore this troll. I was out in 0.0 before I had 1.2 million Sp =)
Loyal Servant Caldari Cornhole Inc. The SUdden Death Squad	Posted - 2006.12.06 19:17:00 - [6] Edited by: Loyal Servant on 06/12/2006 19:18:01 Join an alliance. Find alliances that take smaller corps. ASCN, AXE, BOB and the likes want megacorps like the typical ****ers they are. :) There are plenty of smaller alliances that live in 0.0 Seek them out - They do exist. Good luck. Edit - LOL! the word I posted with is a BAD WORD? HAHA. Cornhole, Inc. - Cornholeing eve one system at a time. Member, The Sudden Death Squad [TSDS]
LUGAL MOP'N'GLO	Posted - 2006.12.06 19:17:00 - [7] Originally by: Mr dummy To join a 0.0 alliance, you generally have to have several million SP. And thanks to mission griefing, your time in Empire is not going to be profitable. It's best just to keep paying your $14 a month, and just log on to change skills. With a bit of luck your character might be good enough to actually enjoy the game in 6 months time. Your name expresses your true knowledge. To the OP, I forgot to add. Bring a T1 cloak. Nothing fancy, but you will have to cloak. ~~~~~~~~~ I wish my lawn was EMO so it would cut itself. I approve of this message.
Allen Deckard Gallente LFC Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.12.06 19:29:00 - [8] cloak isn't necessary but a scout is. btw cloak is scannable now anyway.
LUGAL MOP'N'GLO	Posted - 2006.12.06 19:32:00 - [9] Originally by: Allen Deckard btw cloak is scannable now anyway. Thats news to me. ~~~~~~~~~ I wish my lawn was EMO so it would cut itself. I approve of this message.
Shocknawe Celestial Horizon Corp. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.12.06 19:33:00 - [10] Joining a corp that already has a presence is probably your best bet. Just look at the recruit forum there are all kinds of corps advertising 0.0 access. If you want to do it on your own hit an NPC region. Stain is the one im most familar with, it is huge and your can live in relative peace there if you find an out of the way sys off the main corridor.
Mortuus Minmatar Just-fun Distant Star Alliance	Posted - 2006.12.06 19:36:00 - [11] Fit Battlecruiser, head to 0.0 chokepoint, bypass camp if any, home free, watch local, done. If you are wondering, 0.0 is easy to live in, just takes the guts to make the jump. ex-Occassus Republica <3
Rakeris Legio VIII	Posted - 2006.12.06 19:38:00 - [12] I can't tell you a good way to do it. But I can tell you how I did. I did some reasearch on where I wanted to go, I wanted to mission run, so I found a nice place with some good agents. Then I got my stuff together, what I was going to take down there. BPOs, mods etc. Then I set up one of my alts in a SS 5,000KM off a popular gate camp, got my ship with all the goodies to the system before the camp, made a SS. Then I logged onto my alt every now and again untill there was no one at the camp, and once I was though, it was a nice easy ride to my destination. After I got there I set-up a hanger, made some BMs and SS, and I was set to go. Was cake. ^^ ---------- I gave up on sigs. As all the beatings are starting to hurt and leave nasty bruises.
Riho Red Wrath Exquisite Malevolance	Posted - 2006.12.06 19:53:00 - [13] Originally by: Allen Deckard cloak isn't necessary but a scout is. btw cloak is scannable now anyway. omfg.. didnt know that
Erimisha	Posted - 2006.12.06 20:20:00 - [14] Thanks for all the info :) I figured I'd just bring out 10-100 run BPCs with me my first run out until I 'learn the ropes' so if I do get popped while moving it won't sting as much :) I look forward to the adventure.
Emily Spankratchet Minmatar Pragmatics	Posted - 2006.12.06 21:23:00 - [15] Originally by: LUGAL MOP'N'GLO <...> get an alt in the first 0.0 system, when its clear go. <...> I'd just like to emphasise that bit. I was feeling lazy/cocky this morning just before downtime and jumped into a bubble camp because I hadn't scouted properly. I only lost a T2-fitted BC, but it was still a tad frustrating. If you ever find yourself thinking "That gate's never camped...", you're probably about five minutes away from a podding.
Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2006.12.06 21:24:00 - [16] Handiness incarnate. -----------------------------------------------
Di Jiensai Gallente Myster0ns	Posted - 2006.12.06 21:39:00 - [17] Edited by: Di Jiensai on 06/12/2006 21:40:21 Originally by: Riho Originally by: Allen Deckard cloak isn't necessary but a scout is. btw cloak is scannable now anyway. omfg.. didnt know that You didnt know that, because its not true. Cloaked ships cannot be scanned, and i dont think anyone can supply any evidence that they can. To OP: It realy is no big problem, look for a nice deadend pocket, with several systems that have only one exit/entrance. Possibly close to lowsec. As someone else pointed out, the problem are only the chokepoints (lowsec<->0.0). you need to make an alt, fly him in, in a pod, and sit at some safespot from where you can scan the gate. As for the choice of ships, i would suggest a Battleship, but you need to be able to defend against small ships. Most of the time you will encounter interceptors at gates in 0.0, which might be annoying if you have no way of harming them, or breaking their lock. Another safety measure is to have Local chat Visible on screen at all times; you can detach the local channel from the others, if you need to have corp or gang chat visible. What for me was the biggest breakthrough in 0.0 luxuary living, was being able to fly a Deepspace transport. go in with it, anchor giant secure can, back out, and get in with BS. You now have plenty of room to store your loot, and when its full, go back, and fetch it with your deepspace transport. All of this can be done solo, without any form of corp/alliance backup. the only must have, is a alt in the chokepoint to scan the gate. Rewards are nice, but expect some visitors to "your" system every now and then. Deal with them as you see fit. --- The Story of the Big-Bad-Nos-Domi and the Brutix Selfproclaimed last instance on Rightousness Issues
Alowishus Shadow Company Alektorophobia	Posted - 2006.12.06 21:44:00 - [18] Go to the recruitment forum.
Harry Manback Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2006.12.06 21:57:00 - [19] You will be amazed on how empty most of 0.0 is. If possible have a ship with cloak/drone capability. Find you an out of the way system off of a pipe (well traveled route) and NPC away. The NPC's in the 0.0 belts give you loads if isk, and the risk of being popped by the NPC's is totally minimal. Actually you can make 10 X the isk doing 0.0 belt rats with 10 X less risk (besides a player popping you) then running empire missions. Of course the 0.0 residence won't admit it because they whined about empire LvL4 mission runners making all the isk with no risk until they got it nerfed. Anywho...drones are the best for me because you can rat away until your cargo is full (only keep the best named BS loot) without worrying about ammo.
Moghydin Confederation of Red Moon Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.12.06 22:10:00 - [20] You don't need many million of sp's to be effective in 0.0. Join corp/alliance that is based there. Help them in their goals and get access to 0.0 resources. If you want to sneak in, I'd use a cloaked HAC. It's hard to get through in a bs or a bc, and getting in a frig won't give you much as you can't kill NPC's in it (unless you are very good with assault frigs). If you manage to get in a bs, use amarr bs if you can (no ammo 4tw). Be prepared to stay there for a prolonged amount of time, as each jump through a choke point increasing your chances f getting ganked dramatically. Make several safespots in system and warp there asap if someone unknown enters system. watch local all the time of course, and always assume that neutral = hostile.
DefJam101 Gallente Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate	Posted - 2006.12.06 22:15:00 - [21] Originally by: Nm'Me Edited by: Nm''Me on 06/12/2006 19:16:46 Originally by: Mr dummy To join a 0.0 alliance, you generally have to have several million SP. And thanks to mission griefing, your time in Empire is not going to be profitable. It's best just to keep paying your $14 a month, and just log on to change skills. With a bit of luck your character might be good enough to actually enjoy the game in 6 months time. Just ignore this troll. I was out in 0.0 before I had 1.2 million Sp =) 900k for me ***
Dumus Silver Service	Posted - 2006.12.06 22:27:00 - [22] Originally by: Allen Deckard cloak isn't necessary but a scout is. btw cloak is scannable now anyway. no they aint -Dumus-
Ridley Tree Crimson Knights Trade Federation	Posted - 2006.12.06 22:27:00 - [23] Originally by: Mr dummy To join a 0.0 alliance, you generally have to have several million SP. And thanks to mission griefing, your time in Empire is not going to be profitable. It's best just to keep paying your $14 a month, and just log on to change skills. With a bit of luck your character might be good enough to actually enjoy the game in 6 months time. LOL, I've been ratting 0.0 since day 3 in a Tristan with a low-sec pirate corp acting as a tackler for the battleships that might warp off and as a tackler against players. Now I can I successfully rat battle cruiser/frigate spawns and sometimes a battleship spawn on my own in a Throax. FFS, 0.0 is there for anyone who wants to go and who wants to take the risk. Hi-sec is boring because you're trying to PVE in a PVP game. I have lots of fun in hi-sec via hunting macro-miners, flipping cans and yes, on that rare occasion, running missions. Not that I've done enough of that to even get to level IIs. -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Zarch AlDain The Establishment Establishment	Posted - 2006.12.06 22:43:00 - [24] I was about a million SP myself from what I remember, it was a while ago now though. The easiest/best way out into 0.0 is to get in touch with a 0.0 corp (there are lots in the recruitment forums) as they can provide intel/escorts/etc. (I know my first trip out to 0.0 I was scouted for by a corpmate who had instas - although that's no longer a problem at least). Most 0.0 corps will ask for at least 1 mill SP, some will ask for 5 mill or more. Generally (but not always) the higher the SP limit the more powerful the average corp member - but also potentially the less willing to help you they will be and the less you might feel you can contribute. (i.e. if everyone else is a tech 2 sniper you will feel a bit useless). Zarch AlDain
Shadow Ballet Artificial Horizons YouWhat	Posted - 2006.12.06 22:47:00 - [25] To be honest, you can exist in 0.0 solo but it needs very careful play style if you cant afford too many losses. ISK is the least concern, access to ships and intel is. A lot of 0.0 is actually pretty empty. The BEST way to exist out in 0.0 is to find a sympathetic corp or alliance. Skillpoints really shouldn't matter but you do need a clear development path for your character if you are low skilled. Either... Promote services you can currently perform (tackler or scout perhaps?) Demonstrate a focused path for your character that will ultimately benefit the corp... ...or at the very least be willing to follow a skill path as required by the corp. IMHO
Sadistic	Posted - 2006.12.06 23:15:00 - [26] Edited by: Sadistic on 06/12/2006 23:16:32 If you have spent time in .4-.1, then you are already familiar with alot of the problems of 0.0. You know that entering the next system may have a nasty surprise for you. You know that letting any unknown ships get near you (unless they are your target) is the quickest way to a pod/clone ride home. The thing to keep in mind is that certain things can be done in 0.0 that cant be dont in .1-.4. Those include interdictors (instant and total warp scramble), bubbles and a total lack of sentry guns at gates/stations, so even a lone frig sitting on a gate can hurt you. Going solo is a bit of work in 0.0, you need to get ships/ammo in, and loot out, but can be rewarding. Being in a corp helps alot. But that is really a personal decision. Eve is meant to be a team game, even if you dont want to join a corp, find someone with the same intentions as you, and go into 0.0 together. Many ships complement each other, going in with a friend or two more then pays for itself. Just make sure they play at the same times as you.
Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2006.12.06 23:23:00 - [27] Originally by: Ridley Tree Originally by: Mr dummy To join a 0.0 alliance, you generally have to have several million SP. And thanks to mission griefing, your time in Empire is not going to be profitable. It's best just to keep paying your $14 a month, and just log on to change skills. With a bit of luck your character might be good enough to actually enjoy the game in 6 months time. LOL, I've been ratting 0.0 since day 3 in a Tristan with a low-sec pirate corp acting as a tackler for the battleships that might warp off and as a tackler against players. Now I can I successfully rat battle cruiser/frigate spawns and sometimes a battleship spawn on my own in a Throax. FFS, 0.0 is there for anyone who wants to go and who wants to take the risk. Hi-sec is boring because you're trying to PVE in a PVP game. I have lots of fun in hi-sec via hunting macro-miners, flipping cans and yes, on that rare occasion, running missions. Not that I've done enough of that to even get to level IIs. Heh, I wouldn't worry about it too much. After you've been in 0.0 yourself, you can start to identify people on the forums- that guy there is someone who was ascared of 0.0 until he had millions of SP- didn't want tot ake the plunge before that I was no different- until I had about 5 or 6 millionSP, I though 0.0 was some Uber Leet place for veterans, where I wouldn't standa chance. Havinng been in 0.0 a while now, though, I realise its nothing of the sort- anyone with some wits about them can make a grreat living in 0.0. SP is not a barrier. -----------------------------------------------
Aphotic Raven Gallente Spectral Armada Eternal Empire	Posted - 2006.12.07 00:06:00 - [28] Edited by: Aphotic Raven on 07/12/2006 00:23:53 Edited by: Aphotic Raven on 07/12/2006 00:08:06 Originally by: Rhudabega Joe I have a 4.5 million SP carebear that has been itching for something better (my current corp requests we use forum alts to avoid any negative publicity). Part of me wants to explore, part of me wants to see more ISK I keep hearing about being in 0.0, part of me just wants to get away from the whole negativity of being associated as a carebear. I've engaged in only a little PvP and found it fun but I don't think I could PvP 24/7. What is the customary (and respectful) way of contacting a corp/alliance to ask for the availability of a 'free pass'/blue standings so I don't get shot at for 'poaching' or spying? Do some corps let you use their space as long as you notify them for free or is 'renting' customary? If renting is the norm is there a 'normal' rent per week/month? Well its a lot more wild west than that... most use a NBSI policy... the key to getting good standings is to survive the initial encounter, hide, and start chatting to them... if you're lucky you may be able to convince the more carebearish 0.0 inhabitants to let you and your corp live... Im on the pointy end of 95% of pure blind... its not a happy place but it is fun, and staying alive is a lot less hard than you think... The guy who replied saying he made less than 10 mil in an hour must be ratting in a cruiser... thats the absolute minimum any battleship will pull in + loot. Im seeing a lot of carebearish people who are starting to become more adventurous and want to explore... stage one is get a jump clone so your implants are safe, if you're a mission runner this shouldnt be too hard. Next up... evemail me.. im thinking of running a new 0.0 Safari service, for 15 mil i will take you into the heart of pure blind, 5 mil up front, 10 mil once you're out there and established safely (dont pay the rest... and you get negative standings) and a quick training run in high sec as well as some ratting in 0.0 at the end of the treck... anyone who is interested evemail me in game, the best time for me would be the 5 hours before downtime. I can also provide scouting services ahead of any heavier ships you want to move out to 0.0 later. See you soon Edit: SP really is no barrier, ive been in 0.0 and on everyones kill list since i had about 3mil SP, i now have 6 mil and its all good. If you can use active hardeners and a BC you are set. Quote: Melicien Tetro: I tried to fight a shark with a pistol underwater once, and I'll be **ed if he didn't laugh at me and eat me. Sharks need a ***** nerf. True story

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