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Reaver Glitterstim
Dromedaworks inc Test Alliance Please Ignore
2540
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Posted - 2015.08.07 03:30:37 -
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Zhilia Mann wrote:Reaver Glitterstim wrote:The burner rat does NOT have player-level attributes, end of story. Who the **** said it had player-level attributes? Did it say that in the mission briefing? Do you get just as pissed off when NPC Machariels fire missiles at you? How about those 85% web drones? As a matter of fact the agent was pretty specific that the rat was flying an actual Daredevil. None of the agents ever said that those missions have actual Machariels (they sure perform WAY under par compared to Machariels), and I don't even see the relevance in the drone comment since players can do the same.
LanLanLoo wrote:What the heck is wrong with you.
You fit out the "pirate DD Burner" with a plate? you are using the wrong ammo, he shoots Shadow Serp not guristas. He also was already doing enough damage to your hawk to break your tank anyways at 264, which as it has been stated no less than 3 times in this thread is the DPS of the rat.
You are flying a freaking hawk, why waste the mid slot on a thermal resist? you are base 80 unless you have newb skills. You should also use a pith or gist booster because they are cheaper and better in every way to the T2.
And your dps on your hawk makes baby jebus cry.
You need to run these on sisi for a bit first. obvious bro I fit it with a plate because I had to increase the tank to get anywhere near the EHP it had, and also it was so low on CPU that I couldn't really fit anything else on it. I explained why I put Guristas in it: Shadow Serpentis quite plainly lacks the DPS necessary to reach the rat's DPS which if it is 264 as people are stating, would not have broken my 269 DPS tank, certainly wouldn't have broken it as easily as the rat did.
I'm not even sure how to respond to your saying that deadspace boosters are cheaper than T2. As for my fit, don't knock what works. I may not have enough EHP/s to survive that rat, but I came pretty darn close with a T2 repper and that's a lot closer than any of the hardener fits I've seen on anyone else. I don't see why you would take issue with my fitting extra defense when it's already clear I came up short.
Pirate ship Nightmare, can you fathom
Larger but with smaller spikes than Phantasm
The Succubus looks meaner
But the Revenant cleaner
Seems as they get bigger, the smaller spikes they has'm
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Fapping Happens
University of Caille Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2015.08.07 03:37:43 -
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[Daredevil, Possible DD Burner] Shadow Serpentis Magnetic Field Stabilizer Shadow Serpentis Magnetic Field Stabilizer Shadow Serpentis Magnetic Field Stabilizer Shadow Serpentis Small Armor Repairer
Shadow Serpentis 1MN Afterburner Shadow Serpentis Stasis Webifier Shadow Serpentis Warp Scrambler
Shadow Serpentis 150mm Railgun, Shadow Antimatter Charge S Shadow Serpentis 150mm Railgun, Shadow Antimatter Charge S [empty high slot]
Small Hybrid Burst Aerator I Small Trimark Armor Pump I Small Hybrid Metastasis Adjuster I
This, along with gang links and a couple of 5% implants actually gets you the exact stats (a little faster) that are posted in the relevant thread.
The OP whines too much. The fit used by CCP to combat us is very doable using Serp faction fittings on a Daredevil bought in Jita. I am sorry you had problems with this mission, your damage from your hawk fitting was horrible, you never would have won.
Also you do know you can refuse those missions as much as you want without penalty?
You want to talk about CCP using some bullcrap? How about the Worm burner and it's 50km warp disruptor and never ending MWD |
Da Dissector
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2015.08.07 05:20:31 -
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Donnachadh wrote:Arthur Direction wrote:Turn on your hardeners...
No seriously the DD burner does 264dps kin/therm... You can have a pith small shield booster with no resist mods and tank that.
[Hawk, Expensive but effective] Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Pithi A-Type Small Shield Booster Pithum A-Type Kinetic Deflection Amplifier Cap Recharger II Federation Navy Stasis Webifier Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron
Rocket Launcher II, Scourge Rage Rocket Rocket Launcher II, Scourge Rage Rocket Rocket Launcher II, Scourge Rage Rocket Rocket Launcher II, Scourge Rage Rocket 280mm Howitzer Artillery II, Quake S
Small Capacitor Control Circuit II Small Warhead Rigor Catalyst II
Or use this, put everything on him and go make a cup of coffee Never run this specific burner and never flown a Hawk but wondering if the newly released Guidance computer might not be a better option to the painter. Not quite as high a boost in the sig radius vs explosion radius side of the equation but I have found that with the precision script the explosion velocity increase gives a better overall result.
If you've never flown it then why bother to post your worthless input?? |
Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
1372
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Posted - 2015.08.08 05:20:59 -
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if you put Links, HG halos, and an afterburner on the daredevil EFT shows 15 dps from the hawk after resists (up or down a little depending on meta level on the EANM). So I have no doubt about it being able to tank your damage.
ignoring transversal the Enyo I fly vs the burner takes 25 dps vs the "player daredevil" and I'm not sure how much in game, but my tank barely moves. eft seems to say about 200ish dps tanked vs thermal which is the lowest resist on my fit. the Hawk fit you posted has similar tank numbers vs kinetic (lowest resist between kin/therm) and a bit more on therm. not sure what the damage blend is.
but yea on the damage side I'd say the burner daredevil cheats a bit. I feel like since they are NPCs they have to cheat a little otherwise it would be too easy.
I question your death, I would think you would be able to tank it till the server goes down. but I don't question for a second you not being able to kill it.
that said I don't think I've ever tried not webbing the burner daredevil, not sure how well it applies damage then. it seems like the burner dram doesn't apply much dps till you web it. not sure if the burner daredevil behaves similarly?
@ChainsawPlankto
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Reaver Glitterstim
Dromedaworks inc Test Alliance Please Ignore
2540
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Posted - 2015.08.08 05:55:46 -
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Chainsaw Plankton wrote:if you put Links, HG halos, and an afterburner on the daredevil EFT shows 15 dps from the hawk after resists (up or down a little depending on meta level on the EANM). So I have no doubt about it being able to tank your damage. Two problems with that figure: 1.) that would reduce the rat's base DPS against me to 31 because it's now moving much too fast to track me and it's lost the tracking computer in order to fit the afterburner. 2.) the rat wasn't moving anywhere near afterburner speed.
Chainsaw Plankton wrote:but yea on the damage side I'd say the burner daredevil cheats a bit. I feel like since they are NPCs they have to cheat a little otherwise it would be too easy. I don't have a problem with it cheating as long as my agent actually tells me so.
Chainsaw Plankton wrote:I question your death, I would think you would be able to tank it till the server goes down. but I don't question for a second you not being able to kill it. If it actually did 264 DPS, then I could have tanked it until my shield booster broke from overheat damage, but my Hawk didn't last that long. It has clearly had a DPS increase since those numbers were made. If it ever had realistic numbers for a player ship, it certainly doesn't now.
Pirate ship Nightmare, can you fathom
Larger but with smaller spikes than Phantasm
The Succubus looks meaner
But the Revenant cleaner
Seems as they get bigger, the smaller spikes they has'm
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Daniela Doran
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
72
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Posted - 2015.08.08 12:47:24 -
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Reaver Glitterstim wrote:Chainsaw Plankton wrote:if you put Links, HG halos, and an afterburner on the daredevil EFT shows 15 dps from the hawk after resists (up or down a little depending on meta level on the EANM). So I have no doubt about it being able to tank your damage. Two problems with that figure: 1.) that would reduce the rat's base DPS against me to 31 because it's now moving much too fast to track me and it's lost the tracking computer in order to fit the afterburner. 2.) the rat wasn't moving anywhere near afterburner speed. Chainsaw Plankton wrote:but yea on the damage side I'd say the burner daredevil cheats a bit. I feel like since they are NPCs they have to cheat a little otherwise it would be too easy. I don't have a problem with it cheating as long as my agent actually tells me so. Chainsaw Plankton wrote:I question your death, I would think you would be able to tank it till the server goes down. but I don't question for a second you not being able to kill it. If it actually did 264 DPS, then I could have tanked it until my shield booster broke from overheat damage, but my Hawk didn't last that long. It has clearly had a DPS increase since those numbers were made. If it ever had realistic numbers for a player ship, it certainly doesn't now.
The Daredevil burner overheats a lot so if 85% webbed you looking at 425+ dps. |
FT Diomedes
The Graduates Get Off My Lawn
1517
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Posted - 2015.08.08 14:12:18 -
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This has to be the funniest thread I have ever seen in the Missions and Complexes forum.
Anyway, when I used to run these, the fit that was linked earlier actually works.
Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. So, why do I post here?
I'm stubborn.
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Barrogh Habalu
Forever Winter Absolute Zero.
1008
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Posted - 2015.08.08 22:32:55 -
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This is horrible.
Next thing we will complain about is that Bittervet Crewed Abaddons aren't real abaddons and Corpus Oracles don't murder your cap in one click.
Future of T3 cruisers - multi-tool they aspired to be instead of sledgehammer they have become
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Daniela Doran
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
73
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Posted - 2015.08.09 04:15:02 -
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FT Diomedes wrote:This has to be the funniest thread I have ever seen in the Missions and Complexes forum.
Anyway, when I used to run these, the fit that was linked earlier actually works.
Well it was his fault for trying to take on the DD solo, LOL.
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Reaver Glitterstim
Dromedaworks inc Test Alliance Please Ignore
2543
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Posted - 2015.08.09 05:40:26 -
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Daniela Doran wrote:FT Diomedes wrote:This has to be the funniest thread I have ever seen in the Missions and Complexes forum.
Anyway, when I used to run these, the fit that was linked earlier actually works. Well it was his fault for trying to take on the DD solo, LOL. That makes no sense. Several people are claiming the burner rat has player-like attributes, and some are even quoting specific numbers on it. If these numbers are correct, my fit should have worked. If my fit is known to have worked in the past, it's reasonable for me to assume it'll work. Why would you guys say that I should have done more research before trying the mission, when I had picked a fit that according to research should have worked?
Pirate ship Nightmare, can you fathom
Larger but with smaller spikes than Phantasm
The Succubus looks meaner
But the Revenant cleaner
Seems as they get bigger, the smaller spikes they has'm
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Daniela Doran
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
73
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Posted - 2015.08.09 08:38:14 -
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Reaver Glitterstim wrote:Daniela Doran wrote:FT Diomedes wrote:This has to be the funniest thread I have ever seen in the Missions and Complexes forum.
Anyway, when I used to run these, the fit that was linked earlier actually works. Well it was his fault for trying to take on the DD solo, LOL. That makes no sense. Several people are claiming the burner rat has player-like attributes, and some are even quoting specific numbers on it. If these numbers are correct, my fit should have worked. If my fit is known to have worked in the past, it's reasonable for me to assume it'll work. Why would you guys say that I should have done more research before trying the mission, when I had picked a fit that according to research should have worked?
They lied. The DD burner can't be soloed with 100% certainty. |
Ploing
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
25
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Posted - 2015.08.09 10:19:38 -
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Daniela Doran wrote:
They lied. The DD burner can't be soloed with 100% certainty.
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FT Diomedes
The Graduates Get Off My Lawn
1520
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Posted - 2015.08.09 16:57:01 -
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Reaver Glitterstim wrote:Daniela Doran wrote:FT Diomedes wrote:This has to be the funniest thread I have ever seen in the Missions and Complexes forum.
Anyway, when I used to run these, the fit that was linked earlier actually works. Well it was his fault for trying to take on the DD solo, LOL. That makes no sense. Several people are claiming the burner rat has player-like attributes, and some are even quoting specific numbers on it. If these numbers are correct, my fit should have worked. If my fit is known to have worked in the past, it's reasonable for me to assume it'll work. Why would you guys say that I should have done more research before trying the mission, when I had picked a fit that according to research should have worked?
Sorry, I should have been more clear. The OTHER fits people linked actually work. Your fit obviously did not.
Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. So, why do I post here?
I'm stubborn.
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FT Diomedes
The Graduates Get Off My Lawn
1520
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Posted - 2015.08.09 16:58:06 -
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Daniela Doran wrote:Reaver Glitterstim wrote:Daniela Doran wrote:FT Diomedes wrote:This has to be the funniest thread I have ever seen in the Missions and Complexes forum.
Anyway, when I used to run these, the fit that was linked earlier actually works. Well it was his fault for trying to take on the DD solo, LOL. That makes no sense. Several people are claiming the burner rat has player-like attributes, and some are even quoting specific numbers on it. If these numbers are correct, my fit should have worked. If my fit is known to have worked in the past, it's reasonable for me to assume it'll work. Why would you guys say that I should have done more research before trying the mission, when I had picked a fit that according to research should have worked? They lied. The DD burner can't be soloed with 100% certainty.
This is not true. It, like any other rat, is predictable and consistent. If you have the right fit and use the right technique, you can solo it all the time.
Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. So, why do I post here?
I'm stubborn.
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DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
51103
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Posted - 2015.08.09 19:49:32 -
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There's a lot more players in-game that do missions and don't visit these forums compared to the amount of players in-game that do missions and visit these forums.
The Agent mission briefing hasn't been changed since the missions were first added to the game yet the rat stats have been manipulated and buffed by CCP at least once if not more. That alone intentionally misleads players into losing their ships, maybe on purpose.
In fact, I remember CCP proudly posting a thread bragging about the amount of player ships destroyed by Burner Rats. Obviously over time those stats have now changed due to two main reasons :
1 - Players in-game who visit these forums are now using bling ship fits that have been posted as proven to work. 2 - Players in-game who don't visit these forums are now just declining those missions whenever offered.
Bottom line - CCP has a long history of saying one thing and doing another thing. In other words - lying.
End of discussion.
DMC
'The Plan' | California Eve Players | Proposal - The Endless Battle
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Ploing
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
25
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Posted - 2015.08.09 20:43:11 -
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DMC http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/some-npcs-just-want-to-watch-the-world-burn/ |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
51104
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Posted - 2015.08.09 21:04:55 -
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OK, so it was a Dev Blog thread posted 09-17-2014.
And .................
DMC
'The Plan' | California Eve Players | Proposal - The Endless Battle
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Ploing
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
25
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Posted - 2015.08.09 21:17:46 -
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DeMichael Crimson wrote: In fact, I remember CCP proudly posting a thread bragging about the amount of player ships destroyed by Burner Rats. Obviously over time those stats have now changed due to two main reasons :
DMC
just wanted to add that post to follow your post.
greetz to SoCal. |
Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
1376
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Posted - 2015.08.10 00:59:17 -
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DeMichael Crimson wrote:There's a lot more players in-game who do missions and don't visit these forums compared to the amount of players in-game who do missions and visit these forums.
The Agent mission briefing hasn't been changed since the missions were first added to the game yet the rat stats have been manipulated and buffed by CCP at least once if not more. That alone intentionally misleads players into losing their ships, maybe on purpose.
In fact, I remember CCP proudly posting a thread bragging about the amount of player ships destroyed by Burner Rats. Obviously over time those stats have now changed due to two main reasons :
1 - Players in-game who visit these forums are now using bling ship fits that have been posted as proven to work. 2 - Players in-game who don't visit these forums are now just declining those missions whenever offered.
Bottom line - CCP has a long history of saying one thing and doing another thing. In other words - lying.
End of discussion.
DMC would be interesting to see stats on how many accounts visit the forums, vs how many post. Nearly every mmo I've played has numerous out of game resources, including the forums. My first MMO was so poorly supported and documented (ie, needed to find the ip to the server on the forums) that I have considered the forums as essential reading for MMOs ever since. But I do agree there are many, many players who do not visit the forums. Wonder how much they use other out of game resources?
there have been a few small tweaks to the burner AI. I think most of it is more related to how often they shoot drones than anything else. I've been running them pretty much since they came out and I haven't noticed any major changes. There is a note in the burner thread about the burner daredevil getting a tank buff, and I didn't even notice for a few months. Here is a link to my post: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=5630846#post5630846 the one thing I notice is I usually end the mission with 18 rounds instead of 20. The other change I've noticed is mostly drop based.
some of the bling is needed, some is not. I think fozzie said he had a t2 fit ship for each of the original burners but this was back during testing and I'm not sure how accurate it is at this point, but I mostly believe it. Most of the bling is to use a faction ship that can complete the mission faster, or to increase your margin of error. a t2 hardener overloaded gives more resist than an x-type. and a deadspace hardener with heat usually means you don't have to think about over heating your rep (if you even have to heat the hardener). an a-type small rep is pretty cheap, although they have been a bit volatile spiking each time a t3d comes out. In a few cases the bling feels much more needed, like a long web for the burner sansha, or burner daredevil. that said you could probably get by that with links, but that is adding an even bigger barrier to entry imo.
The burner stats are based on bling fit ships with links and implants. Any amount of "OP/cheating/whatever you want to call it" has to do with the fact they are NPCs that can't change their fits or behaviors where players can do both. I see a player daredevil in a plex I don't know if it is blaster or rail fit, MWD or AB? armor or hull tanked? wouldn't a 500dps blaster burner be fun? Oh yea, and most player fits don't have to fit a scram to stop the burner from warping off. I feel that the slight bump in ability, for instance the burner daredevil having improved tracking, and some extra tank, doesn't really seem to break anything. Given the current npc and player rules it seems both get a freebie slot. if the burner NPCs were strictly limited to player achievable stats they would be too easy given they don't have the AI to adjust to the situation.
@ChainsawPlankto
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Estella Osoka
Perkone Caldari State
681
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Posted - 2015.08.10 13:47:44 -
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DeMichael Crimson wrote:There's a lot more players in-game who do missions and don't visit these forums compared to the amount of players in-game who do missions and visit these forums.
The Agent mission briefing hasn't been changed since the missions were first added to the game yet the rat stats have been manipulated and buffed by CCP at least once if not more. That alone intentionally misleads players into losing their ships, maybe on purpose.
In fact, I remember CCP proudly posting a thread bragging about the amount of player ships destroyed by Burner Rats. Obviously over time those stats have now changed due to two main reasons :
1 - Players in-game who visit these forums are now using bling ship fits that have been posted as proven to work. 2 - Players in-game who don't visit these forums are now just declining those missions whenever offered.
Bottom line - CCP has a long history of saying one thing and doing another thing. In other words - lying.
End of discussion.
DMC
Gotta disagree. The mission agent didn't lie.
Quote: I have a special optional mission for you, we wonGÇÖt penalize you if you decline it.
A single individual, a rogue element of the Serpentis Corporation, has struck out on their own. We donGÇÖt know why, but we want you to hunt them down. They have all scans open, so we canGÇÖt go there in force. WeGÇÖve acquired their coordinates and need someone to sneak in and take them out. ItGÇÖs you against them.
Only frigate sized ships can gain entry to the hideout, so donGÇÖt try to bring anything bigger. This pirate will be flying an armor tanked Daredevil frigate, with an extremely effective Stasis Webifier. He tends to deal his damage using railguns loaded with Shadow Antimatter ammo. Survivors of his previous attacks claim that he likes to orbit his opponents at around 10km while holding them in place. He always flies with a powerfully boosted Stasis Webifier and a Warp Scrambler fit.
A word of warning: this rogue pirate is extremely dangerous and has proven very capable of destroying capsuleer ships. If you choose to decline this mission or if you fail to complete it, you will not lose any standings.
Declining a mission from a particular agent more than once every 4 hours will result in a loss of standing with that agent.
No where in that mission offer does it say how much DPS he does, how much he tanks, how good his tracking is, or how fast he goes. The OP assumed stats based on EFT or Pyfa fittings. As we all know, NPCs do not use the same stats as players. I know Sansha Incursion rats don't, and I am very sure CONCORD doesn't; so why should a burner rat be any different?
The bottomline is that the burner missions were never meant to be solo'd when they were designed. In fact, CCP encouraged people to take friends. It took a little while, but people eventually theorycrafted, tested, and came up with blingy fits that could solo them. |
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
1380
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Posted - 2015.08.10 19:38:13 -
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Estella Osoka wrote:Quote:A word of warning: this rogue pirate is extremely dangerous and has proven very capable of destroying capsuleer ships.
all you really need to know. I dare you to fight this thing, it will probably kill you Enjoy!
as for the solo bit, I don't ever remember seeing that part, if anything they were designed to be solo content, however as new content, and newer player content bringing a friend is a decent idea. this quote is from before the burners ever hit TQ
ccp fozzie wrote:I can re-confirm that all of these guys are very doable solo. I've been able to come up with reliable strategies to kill them all solo using at least two different ship types and T2/meta modules, no expensive implants and no gang boosts. taken from: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4942073#post4942073
oh and lulz
Quote:There are of course some stats that don't match the baseline fits (for instance we gave the Burners more tracking than players would have since NPCs are only capable of orbiting at full speed and can't manage transversal) unfortunately this is also a nerf to missile damage, but meh missiles
@ChainsawPlankto
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Reaver Glitterstim
Dromedaworks inc Test Alliance Please Ignore
2544
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Posted - 2015.08.10 22:22:00 -
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Estella Osoka wrote:No where in that mission offer does it say how much DPS he does, how much he tanks, how good his tracking is, or how fast he goes. The OP assumed stats based on EFT or Pyfa fittings. As we all know, NPCs do not use the same stats as players. I know Sansha Incursion rats don't, and I am very sure CONCORD doesn't; so why should a burner rat be any different? Because the agent said it's flying a player ship. We've been over this.
Chainsaw Plankton wrote:oh and lulz Quote:There are of course some stats that don't match the baseline fits (for instance we gave the Burners more tracking than players would have since NPCs are only capable of orbiting at full speed and can't manage transversal) unfortunately this is also a nerf to missile damage, but meh missiles Actually, with rockets' incredible application ability, it's a bigger nerf to turrets.
Pirate ship Nightmare, can you fathom
Larger but with smaller spikes than Phantasm
The Succubus looks meaner
But the Revenant cleaner
Seems as they get bigger, the smaller spikes they has'm
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Estella Osoka
Perkone Caldari State
682
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Posted - 2015.08.11 13:42:23 -
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Reaver Glitterstim wrote:Estella Osoka wrote:No where in that mission offer does it say how much DPS he does, how much he tanks, how good his tracking is, or how fast he goes. The OP assumed stats based on EFT or Pyfa fittings. As we all know, NPCs do not use the same stats as players. I know Sansha Incursion rats don't, and I am very sure CONCORD doesn't; so why should a burner rat be any different? Because the agent said it's flying a player ship. We've been over this.
Where in the Agent briefing I posted above does it say "player ship"? No where, because it doesn't. It says he is flying a Daredevil and provides what he may have fitted. It doesn't say it is the same exact Daredevil we buy on the market. You assume that. |
Reaver Glitterstim
Dromedaworks inc Test Alliance Please Ignore
2546
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Posted - 2015.08.11 19:21:49 -
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Estella Osoka wrote:Where in the Agent briefing I posted above does it say "player ship"? No where, because it doesn't. It says he is flying a Daredevil and provides what he may have fitted. It doesn't say it is the same exact Daredevil we buy on the market. You assume that. The agent says a Daredevil, which is a player ship. The agent makes no indication whatsoever that it is not a player Daredevil, and rather makes extra indication that it is by explaining what ammo the pirate is using. This is completely unique from anything agents say about other missions--never do they give the slightest indication that any mission NPCs have any sort of player attributes, except perhaps for the one that mentions a pirate being a capsuleer.
Pirate ship Nightmare, can you fathom
Larger but with smaller spikes than Phantasm
The Succubus looks meaner
But the Revenant cleaner
Seems as they get bigger, the smaller spikes they has'm
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
1389
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Posted - 2015.08.11 20:32:20 -
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Reaver Glitterstim wrote:Estella Osoka wrote:Where in the Agent briefing I posted above does it say "player ship"? No where, because it doesn't. It says he is flying a Daredevil and provides what he may have fitted. It doesn't say it is the same exact Daredevil we buy on the market. You assume that. The agent says a Daredevil, which is a player ship. The agent makes no indication whatsoever that it is not a player Daredevil, and rather makes extra indication that it is by explaining what ammo the pirate is using. This is completely unique from anything agents say about other missions--never do they give the slightest indication that any mission NPCs have any sort of player attributes, except perhaps for the one that mentions a pirate being a capsuleer.
if it were a player daredevil it would just warp off from your lol hawk.
and given it is so "completely unique," maybe that was an "indication" you should have done some research
@ChainsawPlankto
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Ploing
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
30
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Posted - 2015.08.11 22:32:52 -
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ok ......lets go to your basic fit
[Hawk] Missile Guidance Enhancer II Capacitor Flux Coil II
Cap Recharger II Target Painter II Kinetic Deflection Field II Thermic Dissipation Amplifier II Small Shield Booster II
Rocket Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Rocket Rocket Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Rocket Rocket Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Rocket Rocket Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Rocket [empty high slot]
Small Capacitor Control Circuit I Small Hydraulic Bay Thrusters I
@lvl5 you deal woooping 148 kinetic DPS and tank 285 thermal and 190 kinetic. why you need a Small Hydraulic Bay Thrusters I is your secret beside the Missile Guidance Enhancer II.
as we all know that npc have unlimited cap i dont care about in the following fit
@lvl 5
[Daredevil, Raildevil] Small Ancillary Armor Repairer, Nanite Repair Paste Federation Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer Federation Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer Reactive Armor Hardener
Warp Scrambler II Stasis Webifier II Tracking Computer II, Tracking Speed Script
125mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S 125mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S [empty high slot]
Small Processor Overclocking Unit I Small Processor Overclocking Unit I Small Anti-Kinetic Pump II
tanks 205 kinetic DPS and even if you OH your rockets you cant get him. it deals 227 DPS, 266DPS OH
with a speed of 34 m you are a sitting duck and he has a tracking of 0.145 and 0.15 due OH. so he should not track you?
you can not OH unlimited time and no wonder this fails.
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Reaver Glitterstim
Dromedaworks inc Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2015.08.12 07:52:35 -
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Ploing wrote:why you need a Small Hydraulic Bay Thrusters I is your secret beside the Missile Guidance Enhancer II. It was intended for rage rockets to hit the target, but I swapped to CN rockets because rage weren't doing hardly any damage even with the painter and the MGE.
Pirate ship Nightmare, can you fathom
Larger but with smaller spikes than Phantasm
The Succubus looks meaner
But the Revenant cleaner
Seems as they get bigger, the smaller spikes they has'm
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Market McSelling Alt
Bernie Madoff Investment Services LLC
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Posted - 2015.08.12 12:13:27 -
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Reaver Glitterstim wrote:Ploing wrote:why you need a Small Hydraulic Bay Thrusters I is your secret beside the Missile Guidance Enhancer II. It was intended for rage rockets to hit the target, but I swapped to CN rockets because rage weren't doing hardly any damage even with the painter and the MGE.
That is because of his speed. I see what your problem is... you must be an F1 monkey. Your fits have to be spoonfed and you have had no reason to learn the mechanics of the game.
You web him, you TP him, or you double web him and you Rigor... Missiles can't his something going 3x their explosion velocity.
If you are tanking 260 with OH and he is doing 260 in damage or above, you OH will burn out and you will die.
If you are doing less damage than he tanks, you will never win.
He has a scram.
Seems to me all the above were points you missed, probably because you don't have an FC to help you through this mission. Treat it like a combat op and treat us like your FC. Listen to what we are saying and learn, or stop trying to do something in this game as hard as a mission against a single rat.
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Anthar Thebess
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Posted - 2015.08.12 13:23:50 -
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You can quite easy overcome burner frigates. People are dropping tons of alts on them . For example when you use 4 T2 fitted T1 ( yes T1 frigates) you can kill many burner rats in less than 10 seconds. You can simply alpha them from field.
Burner missions where designed for 1 vs 1 , but are totally broken when you bring alts.
My record is killing a burner in alpha shoot ( so no need for 3 cycles) as i max damage from all alts.
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Way to solve important nullsec issue. CSM members do your work.
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Reaver Glitterstim
Dromedaworks inc Test Alliance Please Ignore
2551
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Posted - 2015.08.13 01:49:41 -
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Market McSelling Alt wrote:Seems to me all the above were points you missed, No, actually I understand fittings quite well. I understand quite well that rage rockets track quite a bit better than small railguns, for instance. Sure, an afterburning Daredevil at 10km won't take much damage from rage rockets, but it'll dish out a hell of a lot less.
Pirate ship Nightmare, can you fathom
Larger but with smaller spikes than Phantasm
The Succubus looks meaner
But the Revenant cleaner
Seems as they get bigger, the smaller spikes they has'm
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