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Leandro Salazar
Aeon Industries
Confederation of Independent Corporations
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Posted - 2006.12.07 22:46:00 -
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How exactly will a friend or a NPC-setup help you when that 5-man gang of 3 year chars in CBCs that took all of 20 secs to probe out the mission decends onto you while you are scrambled by NPC frigs and tank 800 raw DPS already? 
I REALLY love these self-proclaimed experts that have no clue about real mission running and only see their own side of things. If the mission earnings are so great that you have to be jealous of it, why don't you do it yourselves? What, it is no fun for you? Now hey, enforced PvP that there is no viable defense against while engaged in PvE is no fun for us either! But us not having fun is fine while you not having fun is a big no-no because some animals are more equal than others?
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Kolmogorow
Freedom Resources
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Posted - 2006.12.07 23:05:00 -
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 Originally by: One Percent
You shouldn't be able to do your homework, watch tv, and generate millions upon millions of isk simultaneously.
You understand something completely wrong. There is no problem with high-sec courier missions, you uber uber mission runner...
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Black Scorpio
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Posted - 2006.12.07 23:12:00 -
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Originally by: Gray Carmicheal
I've found that running Serpentis and Guristas missions provides little to no difficulty increase with a PVP setup.
Maybe you guys complaining just have really bad pvp setups?
Matter of fact, I soloed a 4/10 plex in my pvp fitted AF the other day in low sec. Not a huge accomplishment, but I did it and tanked every ounce of it no problem. PVP setups aren't nerfed in missions, they're just a bit slower on the isk farm, which the very idea of slower profit gains makes some of you scream like girls (obviously).
I'll add that Angels ARE really hard with Minmatar PVP setups, but it can be done, and is incredible fun.I've never had an Amarr PVP build, sand never really ran missions on that alt when it existed, so I can't give an opinion on that.
I realize this doesn't completely cover the OP in the thread, but it can pretty much sum up the repetitive posts on this section. Which are getting older than the "OMG fix macrominers!!!1" threads, REALLY fast.
Hey Gray, next time i do Enemies abound I will ask you to do it for me in your pvp setup. While you are correct that most missions are doable in a less than optimized version of your ship for the task, there are those of them that are arguably doable even with a perfectly optimized ship. Friends are not always available.
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Black Scorpio
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Posted - 2006.12.07 23:16:00 -
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Originally by: StarStryder
Originally by: Black Scorpio
4. Aggro ONLY the attacker. As the attacker he has the complete advantage, hence making it a lot less possible for the defender to counter attack. Just as you have turrets at the gates, make the NPCs target the attacker immediately.
While that has a certain appeal it makes no sense to me. The runner is killing the NPCs but as soon as a pirate appears they turn on him and help protect the runner that was shooting them a moment before!
Making it split aggro basically takes the NPCs out of the equation for the duration of the PvP encounter since they equally reduce the players tanking ability. Of course the pirate has some advantage since the runner is probably already reduced somewhat from having all the NPCs on him before the pirate appeared.
Well imagine you are at 1/4 of your cap and at 27% shield, and webbed/scrambled assuming you fly say a shield tanked Raven since it's most common. How much time do you think it will take to kill you with a fully PvP anti-BS fitted ship with the right types of damage? My bet is about 10-15 sec, what's yours?
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Black Scorpio
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Posted - 2006.12.07 23:19:00 -
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Originally by: Kolmogorow
Originally by: One Percent
You shouldn't be able to do your homework, watch tv, and generate millions upon millions of isk simultaneously.
You understand something completely wrong. There is no problem with high-sec courier missions, you uber uber mission runner...
Right, maybe you can go 17 jumps in a barge for about 600K, that take you 35min. I wouldn't
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One Percent
Caldari
Developmental Neogenics Amalgamated
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Posted - 2006.12.07 23:38:00 -
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Keep an eye on the entrance to your mission.
You guys are all spouting off about how hard some missions are... give me a break.
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One Percent
Caldari
Developmental Neogenics Amalgamated
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Posted - 2006.12.07 23:39:00 -
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Originally by: Black Scorpio
Originally by: One Percent
.. they practically kill themselves.
There are quite a few ways to avoid being killed while running missions in low-sec or 0.0. It's unfortunate that CCP is being flamed on the forums by players who simply have trouble adapting or don't understand game mechanics.
Now that there is an element of danger or more incentive to run missions with your friends, EVE is no longer fair? Please.
You shouldn't be able to do your homework, watch tv, and generate millions upon millions of isk simultaneously.
If anyone wants lessons on "not dying" shoot me an evemail, my rates are reasonable. 
And i don't get idiotic hipocrite little morons like you who would rather bash on the forums than drink the potion by their own recepy and see start wathing TV while generating a zillion isk.
lamer!
I have no idea why I'm even being quoted here.. can someone translate? |
Lord Frost
Minmatar
The Crystal Method
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Posted - 2006.12.07 23:42:00 -
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Edited by: Lord Frost on 07/12/2006 23:44:21
Edited by: Lord Frost on 07/12/2006 23:42:06
Originally by: One Percent
.. they practically kill themselves.
There are quite a few ways to avoid being killed while running missions in low-sec or 0.0. It's unfortunate that CCP is being flamed on the forums by players who simply have trouble adapting or don't understand game mechanics.
Now that there is an element of danger or more incentive to run missions with your friends, EVE is no longer fair? Please.
You shouldn't be able to do your homework, watch tv, and generate millions upon millions of isk simultaneously.
If anyone wants lessons on "not dying" shoot me an evemail, my rates are reasonable.
You shouldn't drink and post... its bad for a lot of people. I think you are 2 brain cells shy of being a complete tard. You're right on 1 things... pvpers don't kill mission runners... griefers do.
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One Percent
Caldari
Developmental Neogenics Amalgamated
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Posted - 2006.12.07 23:44:00 -
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Originally by: Lord Frost
Edited by: Lord Frost on 07/12/2006 23:42:06
Originally by: One Percent
.. they practically kill themselves.
There are quite a few ways to avoid being killed while running missions in low-sec or 0.0. It's unfortunate that CCP is being flamed on the forums by players who simply have trouble adapting or don't understand game mechanics.
Now that there is an element of danger or more incentive to run missions with your friends, EVE is no longer fair? Please.
You shouldn't be able to do your homework, watch tv, and generate millions upon millions of isk simultaneously.
If anyone wants lessons on "not dying" shoot me an evemail, my rates are reasonable.
You shouldn't drink and post... its bad for a lot of people. I think you are 2 brain cells shy of being a complete tard.
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Lord Frost
Minmatar
The Crystal Method
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Posted - 2006.12.07 23:46:00 -
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Originally by: One Percent
mission runner?
wow... nice one. you got me there... ouch.
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One Percent
Caldari
Developmental Neogenics Amalgamated
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Posted - 2006.12.07 23:47:00 -
[41]
Originally by: Lord Frost
Originally by: One Percent
mission runner?
wow... nice one. you got me there... ouch.
It's all your weak attempt at an insult deserved tbh.  |
Profhet
Murder of Crows
E N I G M A
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Posted - 2006.12.07 23:48:00 -
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They steal from you then you get killrights for 15 minutes?
Thats long enough to go back, adjust your setup, cause you know what they are flying now, probably what their ammo type is, use your locator agent, and go blow them up. In all probablility, they think they can get away with it solo, so no friends to help as your cruise missiles are providing their raven with a much needed colonic rinsing.
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Matori Kar
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Posted - 2006.12.07 23:51:00 -
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Mission runners probably lose more ships each day than all the 0.0/low sec residents do in a week, probably several weeks. Would be nice to see some stats from CCP, but I doubt we would get anything like that, or even like what the chinese server has 
Caldari: Don't have to worry about transversal, falloff/optimal, cap, tracking, how your damage type is being tanked,ship speed, the direction you are moving... etc. Easy Mode w00t!! |
Lord Frost
Minmatar
The Crystal Method
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Posted - 2006.12.07 23:52:00 -
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Originally by: One Percent
Originally by: Lord Frost
Originally by: One Percent
mission runner?
wow... nice one. you got me there... ouch.
It's all your weak attempt at an insult deserved tbh.
LMAO... no it was successful... thus your pathetic comeback.
You must be one of the piewats that has a bigger ego than his mouth can handle. Its a shame... 
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Soporo
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Posted - 2006.12.07 23:54:00 -
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Quote:
Death to mission runners.
Here, let me translate: Death to Low Sec.
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Cez
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Posted - 2006.12.07 23:55:00 -
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WTF...
You saying missions are NO element of danger? you must be kidding. with or without griefers crashing they are lots of risk. unlike your typical sniper spot alligned to warp... you complete moron.
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One Percent
Caldari
Developmental Neogenics Amalgamated
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Posted - 2006.12.08 00:09:00 -
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Originally by: Cez
WTF...
You saying missions are NO element of danger? you must be kidding. with or without griefers crashing they are lots of risk. unlike your typical sniper spot alligned to warp... you complete moron.
I didn't say there wasn't danger. |
One Percent
Caldari
Developmental Neogenics Amalgamated
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Posted - 2006.12.08 00:23:00 -
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Originally by: Lord Frost
Originally by: One Percent
Originally by: Lord Frost
Originally by: One Percent
mission runner?
wow... nice one. you got me there... ouch.
It's all your weak attempt at an insult deserved tbh.
LMAO... no it was successful... thus your pathetic comeback.
You must be one of the piewats that has a bigger ego than his mouth can handle. Its a shame...
Oh yeah? Well judging by the comeback you made to my comeback of your comeback which resulted from my original statement I have not only hurt your feelings, but somehow managed to kill your dog in the process. Ha! |
Kolmogorow
Freedom Resources
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Posted - 2006.12.08 19:50:00 -
[49]
Originally by: Black Scorpio
Originally by: Kolmogorow
Originally by: One Percent
You shouldn't be able to do your homework, watch tv, and generate millions upon millions of isk simultaneously.
You understand something completely wrong. There is no problem with high-sec courier missions, you uber uber mission runner...
Right, maybe you can go 17 jumps in a barge for about 600K, that take you 35min. I wouldn't
Tell me that ancient agent who give you such a mission these days. Since the Dragon patch more than half of the level 4 courier missions have only 3 cbm or less volume, need 0 to 5 jumps and can be done in a shuttle, sometimes in 1 or 2 minutes. In terms of ISK/hour courier missions can (or almost can) compete with combat missions since these changes.
But I didn't want to vote for courier missions with my post above. It was only a reply to the openers statement I quoted which is only true for high-sec courier missions. Is he talking about high-sec courier missions? No. So the statement is nonsense. If CCP don't give us an automatic lock-fire-cycle function you can't even do level 1 combat missions in a raven afk (maybe with a little luck with a Hobgoblin  ).
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Sorela
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.12.08 20:46:00 -
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How about:
1) Missions be altered such that they behave a bit more like PvP instead of stupid numbers of ships throwing so much DPS at your massive active tank without even bothering to try and Nos you or some such.
2) As someone said the spawns should split aggro. PvP is good but only a complete ******* would suggest that a 100% sure kill against someone who is tanking a bunch of mobs is the correct way to do things.
3) Since missions in 0.0 would be even more unsafe than a roid spawn with these rules then nobody would have a problem with the NPC's finally dropping the full loot tables that roid pirates drop (ie occasional officer spawn with officer loot table).
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Skeenee Al'Ramed
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Posted - 2006.12.08 21:03:00 -
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/applauze
Sick and tired of the whiners... adapt or die puffs!
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Pax Althaleen
Amarr
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Posted - 2006.12.08 21:41:00 -
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Originally by: Patch86
I learnt this lesson many moons ago. I always PvE with a scram these days- its an excellent way of nabbing those who think they can nab your loot, or who attack you thinking its risk free.
I've always thought it a bit distasteful to "optimise" a setup for PvE. You should never fly a setup in a risky enviroment (like low-sec) that you wouldn't be happy to PvP in. I can manage most missions and all belts just fine in a PvP-capable setup, and I'm hardly Uber.
Exactly...
I've been running a PvP setup for missioning almost since i started EVE (Note: When ganked in a mission with a PvE setup - Change to PvP setup to deal with possible future ganks while missioning).
While sometimes the missions take a little longer to complete, sometimes they go way faster too, so its a tradeoff i can easily live with.
That said though, its extremely satisfying when you get a party crasher who thought you were going to be an easy Target, find out that you were not such an easy mark.
Its at this point (3 times so far) that they've returned home in their Pods...
Respectfully,
Pax Althaleen
Holder - House Althaleen |
Chenlab
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Posted - 2006.12.08 21:48:00 -
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The noOb p-rats are usually corps full of alts with an average of 5 no more online at the same time. They dont dare go into 0.0 after endless attempts failing to get past the first alliance blob they saw. They will hang out in low sec now and hunt those running low-sec missions handing out passes to systems that are not theirs.
WHY? This is usually because they are very easy targets reflecting how high noOb p-rat truly thinks of his abilities in combat. Pretty poor imo. Because odds are their ships will be setup for pve and possibly at half cap/armour inside many of the missions available, noob p-rat feels alot more safer knowing half the job is already done for him and his friends.
Im afraid they have decided to fall ill to poor piratism, infact im not gonna insult the pirates because i wouldnt evan consider it being that. Earning next to nothing then complaining when they cant hack it in true combat. way to go noO p-rats \o/
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Druid R
Murder of Crows
E N I G M A
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Posted - 2006.12.08 22:41:00 -
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Originally by: Black Scorpio
4. Aggro ONLY the attacker. As the attacker he has the complete advantage, hence making it a lot less possible for the defender to counter attack. Just as you have turrets at the gates, make the NPCs target the attacker immediately.
why the hell would the rats attack the pirate coming in, hes helping them by protecting them from the ebil mission runner.
talk of boosting payments is so stupid, come try making a living in low sec, i have no access to agents as all the starter ones are in regions i cannot access or are 50+ jumps away. so i make money killing the overpayed mission runners. probing should stay as it is. how hard can it be to find an accelaration gate, thier friggin huge and must cause quite an emission when they fire.
what use would an navigation beacon be if u couldn't find it.
if ppl are having problems with ppl in high sec stealing your loot, ccp should do the decent thing and move all the missions to low sec. sure u could have safety in numbers, after all us pirates rely on it.
playing in groups for the win in this massivle MULTIPLAYER game
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Riho
Red Wrath
Exquisite Malevolance
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Posted - 2006.12.08 23:02:00 -
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well, i dunno about low sec mission running :P
the scanning is to fast... kinda have to perma scan all the time so i wount be jumped by suprise... but most of the times the first ship is cloaked so cant see that one comeing enyways :(
they need to change a bit of the system ... becouse atm you basically dont have eny defence agaisnt ppl probeing and jumping in on you... even if you use scanner alot. been lucky now 2 times so far myself... the cloaked ship bumped into me and decloaked :P so i got out before i got ganked...
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