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Twulf Order of the Eagles 99	Posted - 2015.08.12 11:41:35 - [31] - Quote Murkar Omaristos wrote: Imma post right now just to say thank you to CCP. I downloaded Elite Dangerous recently, thinking it would be a good alternative game to play for when I'm bored of EVE. A lot of Null Sec people (including me) been really salty since Fozzie Sov and that certainly played a role. However - I downloaded elite thinking it would be awesome - it was advertised to eventually include things like planetary landing, atmospehric flight, etc. - which is awesome. All those cool things (the reason I bought the game) were recently announced as DLC for the low price of -ú39.99, or a pass for all future expansions for ***** -ú130.00.** So I wanted to say thanks CCP for not being knobheads like the rest of the industry, and not forcing DLC down our throats. We may be salty, but we appreciate you guys for not following the status quo :) Like others have said, you should have done some research instead of being an uninformed buyer, this has been known for a long time, sorry you are too lazy or stupid to research what you spend your money on. ED is fun, not a great game but a good game.
Barrogh Habalu Forever Winter Absolute Zero. 1020	Posted - 2015.08.12 11:42:18 - [32] - Quote Lucas Kell wrote: ]So -ú130 for a lifetime of expansions is bad, but paying CCP -ú90--ú120 per year is better? Depends on whether your lifetime in E:D lasts more than a year, I guess. Future of T3 cruisers - multi-tool they aspired to be instead of sledgehammer they have become
Kaarous Aldurald Black Hydra Consortium. CODE. 14093	Posted - 2015.08.12 11:45:29 - [33] - Quote Tippia wrote: PffGÇª E:D is going about it all wrong. The way forward these days is obviously to sell people jpegs for $5,000. And people thought EVE had some crazy scams. I still shake my head whenever I recall the space house plant. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." One of ours, ten of theirs. Best Meltdown Ever.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 25594	Posted - 2015.08.12 12:07:24 - [34] - Quote Yourmoney Mywallet wrote: Tippia wrote: I suppose I could do thatGÇª GÇªorGÇª These guys are literally the worst. Worse than EA, which according to the standard model of gaming physics shouldn't even be possible. Swimming in money, too. Just think of all the MSFS lemmings who're about to shove more money down their throats. At least the TrainSim guys have some kind of excuse and historical reasoning behind their business model. They're going for the model train market where, at the extreme end, a single engine can cost almost as much as all that DLC. Sure, we get into the whole GÇ£hand-crafted super-detailed working micro-machinery vs. infinitely reproducible digital downloadGÇ¥ at that point, but they know their market and they price their stuff accordingly. Similarly, on other parts of the sim spectrum, we have stuff like this for the flight fanatics and these guys for the driver nuts GÇö each happy to take your $5,000 for a fully kitted-out set. Simulation accessories has always been a funny business. Primary This Rifter wrote: At the rate we're going, SC will be more of a game than EVE in 2-3 years. So EVE will be dead in 1 year so it'll have time to be buried and rot into some kind of undead anti-game? GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ Get a good start: Newbie skillplan 2.2.
Salvos Rhoska 1242	Posted - 2015.08.12 12:30:31 - [35] - Quote As funds to SC have shown, the market for a really tuned to the gills space flight version of MSFS is enormously lucrative, even and especially before you release your product! The market is so fanatical, that its become more lucrative to simply continue development indefinately while milking free funds, than it is to release it. The peripherals market also is all in, as well as them pioneering VR peripherals specifically for this marke in conjunction with space flight sims as the leading genre. Gunjack, Valkyrie, ED, SC, all space sims and all connected to VR. Far cry from when I remember trying a **** VR boxing sim in a mall sometime in the 90s. ------------**
Brown Pathfinder Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 6	Posted - 2015.08.12 14:33:43 - [36] - Quote star citizen looks intresting but I only bought 1 ship and sticking with it until its released 50% playable so i get a feel of the game By that i dont mean the current fish tank experience.. Eve will stay alive for at least 3 years + imo
0bama Barack Hussein Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 70	Posted - 2015.08.12 14:41:44 - [37] - Quote I love Elite (all of them, can-¦t wait planets opening up in newest), but gotta say I love EvE too (and can afford to keep on playing it, pretty easy to get isk even afk to PLEX account), so... Can i has your stuff? Or too late?
Skeln Thargensen katana spelunking trips 586	Posted - 2015.08.12 14:46:23 - [38] - Quote the thing about elite is that it's amazingly like elite and not so much like eve which i believe has been the misunderstanding all along. also commander backer master race so don't care \o/ forums. -áserious business.
Kuronaga Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 389	Posted - 2015.08.12 15:33:32 - [39] - Quote Murkar Omaristos wrote: Imma post right now just to say thank you to CCP. I downloaded Elite Dangerous recently, thinking it would be a good alternative game to play for when I'm bored of EVE. A lot of Null Sec people (including me) been really salty since Fozzie Sov and that certainly played a role. However - I downloaded elite thinking it would be awesome - it was advertised to eventually include things like planetary landing, atmospehric flight, etc. - which is awesome. All those cool things (the reason I bought the game) were recently announced as DLC for the low price of -ú39.99, or a pass for all future expansions for ***** -ú130.00.** So I wanted to say thanks CCP for not being knobheads like the rest of the industry, and not forcing DLC down our throats. We may be salty, but we appreciate you guys for not following the status quo :) Considering ED doesn't have a monthly subscription, I'd say you're looking at it the entirely wrong way. They don't owe you content, therefore you're getting quite a good deal with them. CCP on the other hand, charges a monthly subscription and has barely any content in their updates to speak of. At the end of the year, how much will you have paid to CCP for that lack of content you've been receiving? Hmmmm...
Remiel Pollard Black Hydra Consortium. CODE. 6852	Posted - 2015.08.12 15:36:50 - [40] - Quote Kuronaga wrote: Murkar Omaristos wrote: Imma post right now just to say thank you to CCP. I downloaded Elite Dangerous recently, thinking it would be a good alternative game to play for when I'm bored of EVE. A lot of Null Sec people (including me) been really salty since Fozzie Sov and that certainly played a role. However - I downloaded elite thinking it would be awesome - it was advertised to eventually include things like planetary landing, atmospehric flight, etc. - which is awesome. All those cool things (the reason I bought the game) were recently announced as DLC for the low price of -ú39.99, or a pass for all future expansions for ***** -ú130.00.** So I wanted to say thanks CCP for not being knobheads like the rest of the industry, and not forcing DLC down our throats. We may be salty, but we appreciate you guys for not following the status quo :) Considering ED doesn't have a monthly subscription, I'd say you're looking at it the entirely wrong way. They don't owe you content, therefore you're getting quite a good deal with them. CCP on the other hand, charges a monthly subscription and has barely any content in their updates to speak of. At the end of the year, how much will you have paid to CCP for that lack of content you've been receiving? Hmmmm... CCP charge a monthly subscription for access to the servers to play the game. The updates are free. While we're comparing content though, I do laugh a little when someone makes like EVE has less than Elite in any way shape or form. GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥ - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104

Kuronaga Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 390	Posted - 2015.08.12 15:44:56 - [41] - Quote Remiel Pollard wrote: Kuronaga wrote: Murkar Omaristos wrote: Imma post right now just to say thank you to CCP. I downloaded Elite Dangerous recently, thinking it would be a good alternative game to play for when I'm bored of EVE. A lot of Null Sec people (including me) been really salty since Fozzie Sov and that certainly played a role. However - I downloaded elite thinking it would be awesome - it was advertised to eventually include things like planetary landing, atmospehric flight, etc. - which is awesome. All those cool things (the reason I bought the game) were recently announced as DLC for the low price of -ú39.99, or a pass for all future expansions for ***** -ú130.00.** So I wanted to say thanks CCP for not being knobheads like the rest of the industry, and not forcing DLC down our throats. We may be salty, but we appreciate you guys for not following the status quo :) Considering ED doesn't have a monthly subscription, I'd say you're looking at it the entirely wrong way. They don't owe you content, therefore you're getting quite a good deal with them. CCP on the other hand, charges a monthly subscription and has barely any content in their updates to speak of. At the end of the year, how much will you have paid to CCP for that lack of content you've been receiving? Hmmmm... CCP charge a monthly subscription for access to the servers to play the game. The updates are free. While we're comparing content though, I do laugh a little when someone makes like EVE has less than Elite in any way shape or form. In terms of content totality, its hard to claim that. In terms of content per update, it isn't.. And if you think CCP is retaining customers based on server access, you are mistaken. They might be charging for that on paper, but it's not what's being sold. If EVE never received another update again you would see player numbers plummet. Similar to how the recent updates now have no content that actually matters to anyone, and as a result those numbers have gone down. Funny how that works, eh?
Lucas Kell Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance 6557	Posted - 2015.08.12 16:06:45 - [42] - Quote Remiel Pollard wrote: CCP charge a monthly subscription for access to the servers to play the game. The updates are free. While we're comparing content though, I do laugh a little when someone makes like EVE has less than Elite in any way shape or form. The older game has more content. I imagine if Elite is still about when it get to the age EVE is now it will have more content. EVE has had a lot of times when it's fallen back on content delivery which has hurt it in the long term. For example, EVE has pushed for so long on "look how many players we have in one fight" first running into lag, then compensating with tidi, then encountering more lag, trying to break out services and then finally changing mechanics to reduce the number of players in a fight. A lot of time has been wasted pushing for a goal which they've now done a 180 on. Elite by the way also gives server access. The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list. Chrysus Industries - Savings made simple!
Yourmoney Mywallet Jita Institute of Applied Monetary Manipulation 525	Posted - 2015.08.12 16:33:29 - [43] - Quote Tippia wrote: Yourmoney Mywallet wrote: Tippia wrote: I suppose I could do thatGÇª GÇªorGÇª These guys are literally the worst. Worse than EA, which according to the standard model of gaming physics shouldn't even be possible. Swimming in money, too. Just think of all the MSFS lemmings who're about to shove more money down their throats. At least the TrainSim guys have some kind of excuse and historical reasoning behind their business model. They're going for the model train market where, at the extreme end, a single engine can cost almost as much as all that DLC. Sure, we get into the whole GÇ£hand-crafted super-detailed working micro-machinery vs. infinitely reproducible digital downloadGÇ¥ at that point, but they know their market and they price their stuff accordingly. Similarly, on other parts of the sim spectrum, we have stuff like this for the flight fanatics and these guys for the driver nuts GÇö each happy to take your $5,000 for a fully kitted-out set. Simulation accessories has always been a funny business. Agreed; although my point was more about the Train Sim guys having now also taken over the Steam distribution of FSX. And that ain't right. Somewhat guilty as charged though: never shelled out for a yoke but have always had a decent HOTAS, currently a Saitek X-55 which I can also use for, you guessed it, E:D. Also have a set of rudder pedals lying around somewhere(tm). Didn't use those for very long though as I just never could get them to work realistically enough for my liking. And yes, I do know what rudders are supposed to feel like.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 25600	Posted - 2015.08.12 17:31:36 - [44] - Quote Yourmoney Mywallet wrote: Agreed; although my point was more about the Train Sim guys having now also taken over the Steam distribution of FSX. And that ain't right. Oh, damn. I didn't even realise that. Then again, MSFS, or at least the MSFS-addon developers, have a long and proud tradition of making people pay through the nose for small additions. So no real change thereGÇª GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ Get a good start: Newbie skillplan 2.2.
Bumblefck Kerensky Initiatives 8245	Posted - 2015.08.12 17:54:49 - [45] - Quote I tried Elite Dangerous... ...and, five minutes later, booted up Frontier: First Encounters. Much better game. [b]---- CONCORD arrested two n00bs yesterday, one was drinking battery acid, the other was eating fireworks. They charged one and let the other one off.[/b]
Reiisha Repracor Industries 752	Posted - 2015.08.12 18:03:12 - [46] - Quote Murkar Omaristos wrote: Imma post right now just to say thank you to CCP. I downloaded Elite Dangerous recently, thinking it would be a good alternative game to play for when I'm bored of EVE. A lot of Null Sec people (including me) been really salty since Fozzie Sov and that certainly played a role. However - I downloaded elite thinking it would be awesome - it was advertised to eventually include things like planetary landing, atmospehric flight, etc. - which is awesome. All those cool things (the reason I bought the game) were recently announced as DLC for the low price of -ú39.99, or a pass for all future expansions for ***** -ú130.00.** So I wanted to say thanks CCP for not being knobheads like the rest of the industry, and not forcing DLC down our throats. We may be salty, but we appreciate you guys for not following the status quo :) Compared to the sub money i spent on EVE in the last 12 years, 130 quid seems like a good deal. If you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all...
Kuronaga Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 390	Posted - 2015.08.12 18:09:08 - [47] - Quote I find it funny to a degree... Elite is a single player game that happens to have other people stumbling through your business on occasion. EVE is a multiplayer game that most people happen to play solo 99% of the time. Even social agreements are generally just an excuse to get people to mind their own damn business. If there is one thing EVE does better (and probably always will) it's lore. And that isn't even reflected in the game itself very well most of the time. Oh, How I wish that EVE would do the stuff that ED and SC are doing.... like they were supposed to.
Salvos Rhoska 1242	Posted - 2015.08.12 18:11:05 - [48] - Quote Reiisha wrote: Compared to the sub money i spent on EVE in the last 12 years, 130 quid seems like a good deal. Mmm. But how likely are you to play ED for the next 12 years? ------------
Lucas Kell Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance 6557	Posted - 2015.08.12 18:27:50 - [49] - Quote Salvos Rhoska wrote: Reiisha wrote: Compared to the sub money i spent on EVE in the last 12 years, 130 quid seems like a good deal. Mmm. But how likely are you to play ED for the next 12 years? Personally, if they even deliver on half the plans they have I'd stick around. The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list. Chrysus Industries - Savings made simple!
Salvos Rhoska 1242	Posted - 2015.08.12 18:29:27 - [50] - Quote Lucas Kell wrote: Salvos Rhoska wrote: Reiisha wrote: Compared to the sub money i spent on EVE in the last 12 years, 130 quid seems like a good deal. Mmm. But how likely are you to play ED for the next 12 years? Personally, if they even deliver on half the plans they have I'd stick around. So have you spent the 130 yet then? ------------

Lucas Kell Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance 6557	Posted - 2015.08.12 18:50:48 - [51] - Quote Salvos Rhoska wrote: Lucas Kell wrote: Salvos Rhoska wrote: Reiisha wrote: Compared to the sub money i spent on EVE in the last 12 years, 130 quid seems like a good deal. Mmm. But how likely are you to play ED for the next 12 years? Personally, if they even deliver on half the plans they have I'd stick around. So have you spent the 130 yet then? Nope, bought the main game beta without the expansion pass as I wasn't sure about it then. Will be buying the pass close to the expansion release or sometime before then if they do any deals with it. The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list. Chrysus Industries - Savings made simple!
Vortexo VonBrenner Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord 2083	Posted - 2015.08.12 20:40:41 - [52] - Quote I don't regret any money I've spent on EvE. Really EvE is fairly cheap entertainment. A month of EvE is cheaper than going to one movie. A month of EvE is much cheaper than dinner and drinks. Just for the money I've spent on divorce lawyers alone, I could sub all of you in this thread and all your alts for a long time. ITT: ARE YOU NOT ENTERTAINED?
embrel BamBam Inc. 250	Posted - 2015.08.12 20:52:39 - [53] - Quote Vortexo VonBrenner wrote: I don't regret any money I've spent on EvE. Really EvE is fairly cheap entertainment. A month of EvE is cheaper than going to one movie. A month of EvE is much cheaper than dinner and drinks. Just for the money I've spent on divorce lawyers alone, I could sub all of you in this thread and all your alts for a long time. and had you been in EVe earlier, you just might have saved the money for that lawyer!
Terminal Insanity Pwn 'N Play Black Legion. 807	Posted - 2015.08.12 21:25:33 - [54] - Quote Murkar Omaristos wrote: So I wanted to say thanks CCP for not being knobheads like the rest of the industry, and not forcing DLC down our throats. We may be salty, but we appreciate you guys for not following the status quo :) This x1000 "War declarations are never officially considered griefing and are not a bannable offense, and it has been repeatedly stated by the developers that the possibility for non-consensual PvP is an intended feature." - CCP
Avvy Republic University Minmatar Republic 92	Posted - 2015.08.12 21:52:59 - [55] - Quote Vortexo VonBrenner wrote: A month of EvE is much cheaper than dinner and drinks. 6 months sub, 2 PLEX and 4k+ aurum is cheaper than what I often pay for drinks and a meal whilst out. EVE is essentially low cost entertainment.
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai 3954	Posted - 2015.08.12 22:07:00 - [56] - Quote Avvy wrote: Vortexo VonBrenner wrote: A month of EvE is much cheaper than dinner and drinks. 6 months sub, 2 PLEX and 4k+ aurum is cheaper than what I often pay for drinks and a meal whilst out. EVE is essentially low cost entertainment. A Big Mac is not a big business. 100 million Big Macs, though... 73% of EVE characters stay in high security space. 62% of EVE subscribers barely PvP. 40% of all new accounts just "level up their Ravens". Probably that's why PvE content in EVE Online is sub-par and CCP is head over heels for PvP...
Altrue Exploration Frontier inc Brave Collective 1950	Posted - 2015.08.12 22:14:42 - [57] - Quote Murkar Omaristos wrote: So I wanted to say thanks CCP for not being knobheads like the rest of the industry, and not forcing DLC down our throats. We may be salty, but we appreciate you guys for not following the status quo :) No instead you're paying 10 pounds a month per account but let's just forget it because its divided into tiny pieces so surely it magically makes the total sum per year less important. Elite isn't actually charging for a DLC, its charging for a year worth of updates at 3,33 pounds a month. Meanwhile EVE charges us triple that amount. Signature Tanking Best Tanking Exploration Frontier Inc [Ex-F] CEO - BRAVE - Eve-guides.fr
Avvy Republic University Minmatar Republic 93	Posted - 2015.08.12 22:16:31 - [58] - Quote Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote: Avvy wrote: Vortexo VonBrenner wrote: A month of EvE is much cheaper than dinner and drinks. 6 months sub, 2 PLEX and 4k+ aurum is cheaper than what I often pay for drinks and a meal whilst out. EVE is essentially low cost entertainment. A Big Mac is not a big business. 100 million Big Macs, though... Who actually eats those things? But, yeah from a business perspective that's true enough.
Darth Terona Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo 176	Posted - 2015.08.12 22:22:40 - [59] - Quote I'm late, but I haven't paid for eve in over two years. It's really awesome they give you the ability to do that here. ED is a half complete beta that got sold as a full product. I was very pissed when I realized that. I'll not be spending any more on ED. Which sucks, because at its core, the gameplay is awesome. It just feels half baked. From the ships to the weapons to the market to the missions. All seem half baked
Avvy Republic University Minmatar Republic 93	Posted - 2015.08.12 22:29:29 - [60] - Quote Altrue wrote: Murkar Omaristos wrote: So I wanted to say thanks CCP for not being knobheads like the rest of the industry, and not forcing DLC down our throats. We may be salty, but we appreciate you guys for not following the status quo :) No instead you're paying 10 pounds a month per account but let's just forget it because its divided into tiny pieces so surely it magically makes the total sum per year less important. Elite isn't actually charging for a DLC, its charging for a year worth of updates at 3,33 pounds a month. Meanwhile EVE charges us triple that amount. Elite has its flaws, but at least they are trying to make the experience enjoyable and FUN. Hell, if you look at the way powerplay works, its way better than the Aegis Sov. And yes, it could totally be transposed to EVE. What's fun for you might not be fun for someone else. Not played ED myself and don't intend to. Cheaper games are usually subsidised with an in-game shop, players can spend far more in those shops than they would normally on a subscription.



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