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Ransu Asanari
AQUILA INC
Verge of Collapse
315
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Posted - 2015.08.13 22:41:00 -
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I'd like to attend this. It's in the middle of my workday but I'll try to make the time.
WIll work on some good discussion points and questions. |
NoobMan
Hard Knocks Inc.
Hard Knocks Citizens
184
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Posted - 2015.08.13 22:54:20 -
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Would like to sign up to represent HK.
Operations Director of Hard K(n)ocks Inc.
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Sylvanium Orlenard
Future Corps
Sleeper Social Club
82
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Posted - 2015.08.14 05:16:18 -
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I won't be able to attend because its in the wrong timezone, however, please someone ask this question.
Will one be able to set-up contracts in a citatel, including, Item Exchanges, Auctions and most importantly Courier Contracts?
If the answer to the above is yes, will one be able to set up courier contracts to and from a wormhole system? |
Winthorp
3617
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Posted - 2015.08.14 06:21:35 -
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So no mention at all in devblog about ducking and undocking points, radius, safety timers or anything we really need to know.
Will you be able to get dscan information when inside a Citadel of the outside. What information on the docked people will you have from the outside also. These are pretty important i feel to foster interaction between players.
Wish i could make it. I hope you could ask those questions for me.
I am Winthorp, you might remember me from such films as "Winthorp is to blame for permanent signature ID's".
Please note i don't engage in any meaningful discussion with NPC alts, nut up or shut up...
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afkalt
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
1800
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Posted - 2015.08.14 07:44:42 -
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I cannot make this (and am a small fish in the WH pond anyway) however if we could get some awareness/clarity raised around these questions I had from the main thread that would be awesome:
They came in regards to WH having such long windows and with no way to shrink them as well as the fundamental differences between k and j space:
I think they are unreasonably long and that it is not valid to treat WH like other space.
The common rally cry, of course, is "live in your space". Which is fine when your space is outside a WH.
afkalt wrote:
Because being 4 jumps away in K-space is nothing LIKE being 4 away in J-space?
I actually think it's unreasonably long, given the constraints of J-space.
Routes home can disappear in a heartbeat
Deathcloning home is not an option
Anomalies and income sources are randomly spawned so living out of a single system isn't viable as it can be k-space.
This literally demands someone stay home and do nothing for XX hours per week in WHs.
Sure, we can use alts...but that's a stupid solution to a problem we shouldn't have.
Potential things which may help:
Shrink windows to mitigate the time spent babysitting?
Things that actually shoot interlopers so that a single ship can't play logoffski games (this is obviously massively amplified by the lack of local, you need eyes on the grid for the duration)?
Changes to allow it to be more practical to stay home in the window? Chuck out more anoms in that window maybe? I'm not sure, just something to make staying home to babysit not an activity you do in a minimized screen whilst doing other things.
I'm not sure what else to do, which doesn't create an artificial nonsense level of special treatment for WHers. |
Axloth Okiah
Future Corps
Sleeper Social Club
774
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Posted - 2015.08.14 09:06:02 -
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So could we maybe finally get clone swapping in the medical facility? We've been asking about it for only several years...
SSC Brokering Service
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Bleedingthrough
186
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Posted - 2015.08.14 09:46:14 -
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Not sure if I can be around for this.
A few questions/remarks I want to throw at you:
- I think it makes sense to explain the blogs content before starting any discussion. I didnGÇÖt find this blog an easy read with all that new terminology and such.
- Reinforcement timers seem a bit long in the example. This would be way too long to maintain a tight WH control during a WH siege. I would expect to see lot more parties involved in sieges or the besieged having an easier time to pull assets out if they donGÇÖt want to fight for their space. Not sure if this is good or bad for the game but certainly very different and probably bad.
Adjustments?
- It seems a bit counter-intuitive that larger structures have longer vulnerability windows and shorter time spans between two vulnerability phases. I would not want to pay more for a less secure fortress. This makes no sense to me. (unless see next point)
- How will defenses of M, L and XL be like compared to a decent POS? Will XL be a capital no go zone? If so, it might not be a good idea to have them in w-space.
- Trollceptors GǪ I would so pay fuel/ISK for a hired NPC defense crew that mans the guns. There are a lot of very small groups in lower class WHs that canGÇÖt be online for every vulnerability. I would hate to see them leave in frustration once their default vulnerability becomes vulnerability 2. (I am very sure people like me will do this.) Maybe make this an option for M and L citadels only?
- Wormhole stabilizersGǪ just kidding. 
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Galdur Trudaihnel
13.
Enigma Project
27
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Posted - 2015.08.14 11:26:06 -
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Will there be a discussion about putting the number of WH space to null connections and the time they are open for back to previous levels ?
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corbexx
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
1392
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Posted - 2015.08.14 12:02:53 -
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Galdur Trudaihnel wrote:Will there be a discussion about putting the number of WH space to null connections and the time they are open for back to previous levels ?
there maybe. but that wont be this one. and it would be pointless to bring it up since its not CCP Nullabors team. You'll also annoy me for not keeping it on topic.
Corbexx for CSM X - Wormholes still deserve better
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Alundil
Isogen 5
998
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Posted - 2015.08.14 12:41:33 -
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Ustz blah blah.
Open questions/points of contention
1. Asset safety in Wspace? I don't think it belongs tbh.
2. I thougt I recalled reading that the structures would be able to defend themselves against lone/small attackers. If not, the trollceptor problems will simply reappear in wspace as well.
3. Will these structures allow clone swapping in wspace?
4. Why are citadels warpable anomalies? I dislike knowing that my 'home' location is so lazily located. I would have preferred some dscan based method of location detection. Or some method of triangulation. But not just 'check box to show anoms r click warp'.
All in all I was pleased with the latest structure blogs.
I'm right behind you
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Andrew Jester
ElitistOps
Pandemic Legion
1332
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Posted - 2015.08.14 12:55:42 -
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afkalt wrote:
I think they are unreasonably long and that it is not valid to treat WH like other space.
The common rally cry, of course, is "live in your space". Which is fine when your space is outside a WH.
live in your space only works in sov because of the indices. I'm most interested in the vuln windows for WH space too, but 8h isn't THAT long, 4h is prolly too short, so 6h maybe is a good compromise
If thuggin' was a category I'd win a Grammy
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Obil Que
Star Explorers
Reckoning Star Alliance
345
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Posted - 2015.08.14 13:32:58 -
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I don't believe I can attend but I will leave these thoughts here to echo what others are saying as feedback
- The asset safety recovery and move mechanics have too much opportunity to be gamed. Between seeding your own citadel full of ships and scooping to leave ships inside a system and the "free move" of assets to NPC stations, players will game this to the fullest extent possible.
- Asset safety as a concept is understandable considering that you are looking at the XL structures as replacements for Outposts in null-sec. As such, I believe the proposal for asset safety to be a rig/module with sov as a fitting requirement is a good one and I would extend that to being an XL rig only. This removes asset safety entirely from high, low, and w-space while providing a fitting choice/reasonable replacement for Outpost functionality in null-sec.
- I do not feel that corporate hangers should be protected by any asset safety mechanism. Leave protection only for personal hangers. While players can "game" this system as well by moving assets to personal hangers prior to destruction, it is not much different than loading up a ship and logging off in terms of protection and also leaves assets vulnerable to theft by the player. As a result, asset safety should result in a journal entry created for the players personal property. This allows players and opportunity to retrieve their stuff currently not possible in a lost Outpost but does not allow for the "free move" gaming noted above. Corporation assets are dropped per standard loot drops. Arguably, those assets should have been protected by the corporation in the first place making their loss a reasonable risk/result of the attack.
As far as the actual capture mechanic, I'll leave this post here as I have to review the timers, etc. before giving feedback as the implications are pretty extensive depending on the size and layout of your vulnerability timers. |
afkalt
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
1802
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Posted - 2015.08.14 13:40:21 -
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Andrew Jester wrote:afkalt wrote:
I think they are unreasonably long and that it is not valid to treat WH like other space.
The common rally cry, of course, is "live in your space". Which is fine when your space is outside a WH.
live in your space only works in sov because of the indices. I'm most interested in the vuln windows for WH space too, but 8h isn't THAT long, 4h is prolly too short, so 6h maybe is a good compromise
It's 6/12/42 for M/L/XL according to the blog. |
Hoffi V6
Vision Inc
Hole Control
3
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Posted - 2015.08.14 13:46:11 -
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I want to be there. |
Ariete
Future Corps
Sleeper Social Club
44
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Posted - 2015.08.14 16:24:33 -
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X will be there
So CSM IX ????
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unimatrix0030
Viperfleet Inc.
Official Winners Of Takeshi's Castle
201
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Posted - 2015.08.14 19:21:48 -
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x i will be there also.
No local in null sec would fix everything!
Fleet warp proposal = the rubix cube is back into eve especialy the second part of the saying.
Wh players need to adapt, null sec players get the rules changed.
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Luft Reich
Snuff Box
Snuffed Out
114
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Posted - 2015.08.15 05:06:38 -
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COOOOOOOOREBEEEEEX can I come? I have Hard Question Asker trained to 5!
"ohhhh luft you are in snuff box they not WH corp grrrrr" Welp SSC people are coming too. GET IT GET IT...Ok I'm done
ISD Cyberdyne liked your forum post
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Heiluri
Unpublished Chapter
Chapters.
1
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Posted - 2015.08.15 09:00:41 -
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I would like to come if there is room. |
Adarnof
Free Trade Monopoly
You Are Being Monitored
93
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Posted - 2015.08.15 16:32:14 -
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I'd like to attend if you've got room. |
Faldor MacLeod
New Jovian Exploration Department
A Band Apart.
1
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Posted - 2015.08.15 19:36:54 -
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I would like to be there. |
Seraph Essael
eXceed Inc.
Triumvirate.
1133
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Posted - 2015.08.15 21:54:04 -
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Ruffio Sepico wrote:corbexx wrote:Braxus Deninard wrote:Signing up for the structure soundboard as well.
I enjoy a lot of these changes but think the asset safety is a significant concern in w-space. asset safety is up for discussion in w space. It should be up for discussion for all space imho. Double standards just for wh space is silly. Magic loot fairy protection based on what part of space you live in is not very eve-like... It would just encourage more players to go null (or other places) rather than wspace. Just let it all blow up for purdy kill mails and put the loot fairy to sleep. Much more healthy for the economy too. More stuff need to be replaced -)
So much this... Asset protection... If we bash a tower we wants the shinies 
Although I am curious: These new Citadels, they state everyone inside the station is podded...So what happens if you take an extended period of time away from Eve, but you are logged out in one of these? Are you also podded along with everyone else or does it not work like that / have I misunderstood??
Cannot attend personally I am afraid...
Quoted from Doc Fury: "Concerned citizens: Doc seldom plays EVE on the weekends during spring and summer, so you will always be on your own for a couple days a week. Doc spends that time collecting kittens for the on-going sacrifices, engaging in reckless outdoor activities, and speaking in the 3rd person."
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Scott Ormands
The Desolate Order
Brave Collective
55
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Posted - 2015.08.15 23:14:04 -
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I am interested if possible. |
Ibn Khatab
Bittervets Inc.
3
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Posted - 2015.08.16 00:57:06 -
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I would love the opportunity to attend this conversation. |
Ruffio Sepico
Hidden Agenda
Deep Space Engineering
76
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Posted - 2015.08.16 08:18:09 -
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Seraph Essael wrote:Ruffio Sepico wrote:corbexx wrote:Braxus Deninard wrote:Signing up for the structure soundboard as well.
I enjoy a lot of these changes but think the asset safety is a significant concern in w-space. asset safety is up for discussion in w space. It should be up for discussion for all space imho. Double standards just for wh space is silly. Magic loot fairy protection based on what part of space you live in is not very eve-like... It would just encourage more players to go null (or other places) rather than wspace. Just let it all blow up for purdy kill mails and put the loot fairy to sleep. Much more healthy for the economy too. More stuff need to be replaced -) So much this... Asset protection... If we bash a tower we wants the shinies
I rather it all blow up and you get a nice kill mail + whatever mats/resources those citadels will drop as default. More healthy for the economy. Then hitting on players would be more based on do it to get pvp, rather than just do it to get "shinies"
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GizzyBoy
Aperture Harmonics
K162
180
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Posted - 2015.08.16 09:18:18 -
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From twitter.
Doc containing questions and answers relating to the new structures.
Its worth reading answers most questions.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1mEbMx9xUXje3KH4AppvcjSSoALUVtVEaK6ZZ-zy2Lrs/edit
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Amak Boma
Dragon Factory
140
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Posted - 2015.08.16 16:19:40 -
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any ETA when they will be available to play with? |
unimatrix0030
Viperfleet Inc.
Official Winners Of Takeshi's Castle
201
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Posted - 2015.08.16 19:17:43 -
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Last thing about time i read was before the end of the year.
No local in null sec would fix everything!
Fleet warp proposal = the rubix cube is back into eve especialy the second part of the saying.
Wh players need to adapt, null sec players get the rules changed.
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Pendico
Novus Spiritus
Novus Dominatum
2
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Posted - 2015.08.16 20:42:25 -
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X-ing up for the townhall meeting. |
Ilaister
Isogen 5
232
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Posted - 2015.08.17 08:21:13 -
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RSVPing incase of noshows. |
Ilaister
Isogen 5
232
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Posted - 2015.08.17 08:31:07 -
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Obil Que wrote: This could have a very chilling effect on smaller groups as they see themselves attacked for no other reason than they are in an open vulnerable window. Today's POS EHP wall prevents most casual attack of towers other than very poorly fit defenses.
You imply that a group belongs in wspace if they cannot protect their assets. This has never been the case.
You fail to recognise that it works both ways, if your small group wants, it can go do the same to other small groups = way more fun than AFK gasmining. Way better for our environment than those that turtle up and log off as soon as a non-purple shows up in chain.
Granted 0.0 is different, they know their neighbours etc. but casually wanding any vulnerable structure is already a thing out there. It's not a specific Wspace issue. Wormholes go there too (just in smaller numbers than we're used to  )
We are all telling nullbears to HTFU and live in their space if they want to keep it. Same applies to us. |
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