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Artmedis Valben Gallente Lobster of Babel	Posted - 2006.12.15 13:04:00 - [31] Doesn't higher level of Salvaging skill affect your chance of salvaging from a wreck? So isn't that a relevant factor, when determining salvage from a mission? Wouldn't it also make a difference if your salvage boat is fitted with a salvage tackle rig? Or is the percentage chance just something that affects your chance of successfully salvaging at each cycle of salvager, even if there is actually nothing to salvage? In either case: I have researched Salvage tackle BPO, and am making 300run BPCs (ME100/PE50) saves up to 10% of the salvage material needed to construct a rig ___________________________________________ Selling BPCs of almost all seeded BPOs. Lobster of Babel currently holds 641 of the 649 Tech 1 BPOs seeded.
CaptainHair Amarr	Posted - 2006.12.15 14:01:00 - [32] Edited by: CaptainHair on 15/12/2006 14:00:59 As i understand it.. the salvage skill etc increases the chance of successfull salvage. But a failed salvage doesnt lead to the wreck dissapearing, atleast not when i salvage and i can try again and succeed. So higher salvage skill would just mean that you have a greater chance of succeeding on each attempt. Am i wrong?
Slevin Kalebra	Posted - 2006.12.15 15:29:00 - [33] The way I understand it is your salvage skill and fitted salvager tackle rig(s) determine your chance to recover salvage (on a per salvager mod, per cycle basis). The salvage is either 'there' or not, presumably 'decided' at the time the wreck is spawned, along with any normal loot. So eventually, if there is any salvage then you will recover it. Fitting N salvagers reduces the time it takes because you have N times as many chances to recover salvage per cycle. However, some ships, such as T2 and Faction ships (e.g. Dread Gurista) appear to have a 'negative' modifier to the 'chance to salvage'. (This part is a little speculation based on experiance). If the chance to salvage is <=0% then you are informed that your skills are not good enough to recover the salvage from this ship. In any case, the negative modifier is likely to increase the time required to discover whether (or not) that wreck has any salvage. Couple of days ago I spent a very nervous 5 minutes (literally) with 4 salvagers running non-stop on a Dread Gurista cruiser wreck (in low sec, with pirates in system) to be told at the end of the time that the wreck had no salvage. Let's just say certain words were used that would send the chat filter into paroxysms of ******. I did manage to recover an intact shield emitter from another DG wreck later though.
Keshi Linegod Amarr Pod Squad Xelas Alliance	Posted - 2006.12.15 17:42:00 - [34] Originally by: CaptainHair Edited by: CaptainHair on 15/12/2006 14:00:59 As i understand it.. the salvage skill etc increases the chance of successfull salvage. But a failed salvage doesnt lead to the wreck dissapearing, atleast not when i salvage and i can try again and succeed. So higher salvage skill would just mean that you have a greater chance of succeeding on each attempt. Am i wrong? You are correct. Also, with added salvagers you have on a wreck your chance of suceeding does not suffer from a stacking nerf. Each of my salvagers have a 20% chance to sucessfly salvageing and I usaly put 3 of them on a wreck for a 60% chance of suceeding. Does not take me more then 2 cycles to clear the wreck. I discovered today that the salvage tackle just increases that bonus and that what the wreck has in it is static I dont think the tackle is worth putting it on my alt's destroyer IMO. Proubly best to put a cargo expander or speed boost on a salvage ship. -------------------------------------------------- Loyal servant of the Amarr empire. Why the hell an't my picture showing up.......
ophiuchus3000 ISK Sink Incorporated	Posted - 2006.12.15 21:50:00 - [35] Originally by: Max Kentarii To whoever that entered "Plith Guristas 2/10 Complex", I hope you don't mind if I rename it to "Pith Guristas 2/10 Complex" Hehehe yeah typo 4tw. I'll blame the beer on that one.
Fitz VonHeise	Posted - 2006.12.16 00:39:00 - [36] The "Database" seems to be missing.
Canute Minealot	Posted - 2006.12.16 07:28:00 - [37] I don't think we need a database based on Missions. What component you get is based on the Faction of the wreck. And we already know that Drones, Merc's and Empire Faction ships dont give any salvage components so far. So we just need a Database what kind of faction can drop what Components. I was hunting just Guristas and only got the same 7 different Components out of them. Burned Logic Circuit Charred Micro Circuit Fried Interface Circuit Malfunctioning Shield Emitte Scorched Telemetry Processor Tripped Power Circuit Ward Console From Dread Guristas Enhanced Ward Console Intact Shield Emitter Telemetry Processor
Aerth Star	Posted - 2006.12.16 08:45:00 - [38] Edited by: Aerth Star on 16/12/2006 08:45:43 Originally by: Fitz VonHeise The "Database" seems to be missing. It's not really missing.... just not posted as a link. in the original poster's message, he said to open your IGB (in game browser) to: eve.podzone.net/wsdb/ http://eve.podzone.net/wsdb/ edited: double url as linkage.
Max Kentarii Chaos Faction	Posted - 2006.12.16 11:10:00 - [39] Edited by: Max Kentarii on 16/12/2006 11:11:48 Originally by: Canute Minealot I don't think we need a database based on Missions. What component you get is based on the Faction of the wreck. And we already know that Drones, Merc's and Empire Faction ships dont give any salvage components so far. So we just need a Database what kind of faction can drop what Components. In the programming business, there are two phrases that goes like this: "Need to have" and "Nice to have". Guess which this falls under? Statistics based on faction will be made available soon. As a mission salvager, which most people are, they can use this DB to find out if they should bother salvaging at all, which imo is pretty nice. So to all who like it, please continue contributing, and those who don't... come back later if you change your mind. Originally by: Fitz VonHeise The "Database" seems to be missing. Please enlighten me.. what did you mean by this? ----- Enjoying life on the other side of the fence Wreck Salvaging Database
Miri Tirzan Caldari Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.16 11:34:00 - [40] Originally by: Keshi Linegod ... Each of my salvagers have a 20% chance to sucessfly salvageing and I usaly put 3 of them on a wreck for a 60% chance of suceeding. Does not take me more then 2 cycles to clear the wreck. Sorry but you have the math wrong. You do not add the percentage chance of success. The easy way is to caculate the percentage chance that all will fail. So with 80% failure rate, the odds that all three will fail is: .8^3 = 51.2% so you have a 48.8% chance of success. Sucess rate to number of salvage attemps based on 20% success rate: 1 20% 2 36% 3 48.8% 4 59% 5 67.2% 6 73.8 As you can see, the odds will approach 100% but will never reach it. The formula is 1 - ( F ^ # ) where F = the probility of failure per single attempt # = the number of attempts. Hope this helps. svetlana - "whining gets you stuff. that is why humans got to the top of the food chain and all the other animals got nerfed."
Saldun Zexu	Posted - 2006.12.17 00:22:00 - [41] I'm killing many navies still no single component from them after patch. CCP, why? sad
Fliewatuet Angelus dos Business	Posted - 2006.12.17 02:03:00 - [42] Ok, another Guristas Extra submited. Seems like the numbers are quite different each time so it still needs a lot of reports more to hit a good average. And on another side, it would be quite useful to look up the types of rigs you can build with a certain salvaged material. :) Otherwise, it looks great, is simple to use and intuitive. Good job. Regards, Fliewatuet --
Ogdru Jahad Amarr Astral Wolves	Posted - 2006.12.17 12:23:00 - [43] New Regions after four days i got the following Alloyed Tritanium Bar x12 Armor Plates x16 Broken Drone Transceiver x203 Burned Logic Circuit x140 Charred Micro Circuit x204 Conductive Polymer x11 Contaminated Lorentz Fluid x14 Contaminated Nanite Compound x13 Damaged Artificial Neural Network x83 Defective Current Pump x13 Fried Interface Circuit x103 Malfunctioning Shield Emitter x7 Melted Capacitor Console x13 Scorched Telemetry Processorx 12 Smashed Trigger Unit x15 Tangled Power Conduit x8 Thruster Console x14 Tripped Power Circuit x124 Ward Console x14 -
bringme2life Caldari Imperial Ravens	Posted - 2006.12.17 21:43:00 - [44] Thanks for great service Max, will certainly put it in good use. Already submitted one salvaging report
Morro Terminus	Posted - 2006.12.17 23:12:00 - [45] Ran the new Stop the Thief today for Caldari Navy and didnt get one item from Salvaging. very little worthless Loot as well.
Shayla Etherodyne	Posted - 2006.12.18 11:22:00 - [46] Edited by: Shayla Etherodyne on 18/12/2006 11:23:09 Looking my reports I see that my results often are lower than the average, even with salvaging at 4. As I am currently operating in high sec systems, I suspect that there is a security level variable in salvaging.
Viktoria Maher	Posted - 2006.12.19 01:56:00 - [47] Edited by: Viktoria Maher on 19/12/2006 01:59:22 My 0.4 salvage (so far) appears higher than the average, so I suspect you are right. Suggestion: Add a table similar to "Faction Salvage Drops" listing rigs that can be made and the components they require.
Fliewatuet Angelus dos Business	Posted - 2006.12.19 22:15:00 - [48] i've done about ten missions and entered them into the db. I'm running missions in a 0.7 sec rate system and so far, i'm sometimes over average, sometimes under it. I don't see any connection of the security system to the amount of salvage material. That or noone entered anything from lowsec before me. Regards, Flie --
Canute Minealot	Posted - 2006.12.20 01:41:00 - [49] How much you get is totaly random. A Large Wreck (BS) can give you 0-20 (maybe 25) components, while a small wreck (frig) 0-5 . Until the Database got 1000+ entry for the same mission, you can't realy tell an average.
Noig Lamaroz	Posted - 2006.12.20 01:59:00 - [50] Nice site and all.. Shame that the info I was basically looking for doesnt hold true in that site (what faction drops what salvage pieces) There's simply too much bogus data and it now claims that nearly all items drop from nearly all factions, which as anyone doing salvaging knows, aint true.
CaptainHair Amarr	Posted - 2006.12.20 02:03:00 - [51] Edited by: CaptainHair on 20/12/2006 02:03:52 never mind :D
Max Kentarii Chaos Faction	Posted - 2006.12.20 02:44:00 - [52] Edited by: Max Kentarii on 20/12/2006 02:46:20 Originally by: Noig Lamaroz Nice site and all.. Shame that the info I was basically looking for doesnt hold true in that site (what faction drops what salvage pieces) There's simply too much bogus data and it now claims that nearly all items drop from nearly all factions, which as anyone doing salvaging knows, aint true. I've made a little improvement to the faction salvage page. It now shows the total amount of salvage reported for an item/faction so that you can interpret the statistics as you wish. A very low number is most likely an input error or a very rare drop, while a high number can be considered very reliable. I'll work on a way to let people track down the reports which gives the abnormal statistics. I encourage everyone to report obvious faulty reports to me, either by evemail or here. ----- Enjoying life on the other side of the fence Got salvage?
Diatom	Posted - 2006.12.20 20:07:00 - [53] Hey Max, nice job and I'm contributing salvage amounts from each mission. I was wondering if u can do a "Where-Used" kind of sort. In other words if I wanted to know which missions drop "Contaminated Nanite" I could enter Contaminated Nanite and a list of missions and faction with the average amount recovered. Just a thought because I'm constantly being asked which mission drops this.......I'm a mission *****.. "If you don't know where you are going, any road will get you there"
Canute	Posted - 2006.12.21 02:08:00 - [54] Take a look at faction salvage drops first, then you know what faction drop these Component. And any Mission with these Faction would drop it.
Diatom	Posted - 2006.12.21 05:18:00 - [55] I'm sorry Canute if I wasn't clear. Faction of course is important, but my questeion for a "Where Used" was directed at the name of the mission. Of course it is only a suggestion. I think the data base is great. "If you don't know where you are going, any road will get you there"
Ogdru Jahad Amarr Astral Wolves	Posted - 2006.12.21 11:29:00 - [56] Originally by: Canute Take a look at faction salvage drops first, then you know what faction drop these Component. And any Mission with these Faction would drop it. Thar needs changing fast as! Belt Rogue drones do drop salvage. -
Max Kentarii Chaos Faction	Posted - 2006.12.21 21:37:00 - [57] Originally by: Ogdru Jahad Originally by: Canute Take a look at faction salvage drops first, then you know what faction drop these Component. And any Mission with these Faction would drop it. Thar needs changing fast as! Belt Rogue drones do drop salvage. Well.. you can add that to the salvage database as well. Just type in the name of the rat, which faction/enemy, in this case rogue drones, and type, which could be a battleship or a cruiser etc. While I'm at it.. I've added tables which shows all types reported for a given faction. List are based on primary enemy/faction. Secondary is ignored for now. Wanna know what has been reported on the Angel Cartel, Guristas Pirates etc. ----- Enjoying life on the other side of the fence Got salvage?
Max Kentarii Chaos Faction	Posted - 2006.12.23 21:47:00 - [58] Just added the functionality to delete own reports. Now people can fix their own mistakes more easily. Perhaps I'll add an edit functionality later on, but for now, just delete and resubmit a new report if you happen to enter the wrong data. ----- Got Salvage?
Max Kentarii Chaos Faction	Posted - 2006.12.27 04:54:00 - [59] Added "My Page" which summarizes your salvage report on one page. - Now you can browse through all your salvage reports. - What mission types you've done. - Which factions you have killed. - How many items you've managed to salvage. ----- Got Salvage?
Klinsanthoor	Posted - 2006.12.28 05:26:00 - [60] Edited by: Klinsanthoor on 28/12/2006 05:27:29 nice

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