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Max Kentarii Gallente	Posted - 2006.12.09 02:07:00 - [1] Hi everyone! I've written a webpage which could prove helpful. If you've browsed these forums, you've probably seen a few threads regarding which missions are worth salvaging. Instead of using the forum to post such info, I've written a web-app which makes the whole registering job a lot easier. Open your EVE IGB and paste in this url: http://eve.podzone.net/msdb/ I haven't got much data yet, but that's because I'm waiting on wednesday's patch. For this page to be successful, I need help from every mission runner/salvager out there to input data. The more data one mission has, the more precise the data will be. The numbers will be the average of all entries for a mission. I will work to make it more userfriendly as soon as I have time, hopefully before wednesday. Until then, please test it and leave me some feedback so that I can improve on it. Best regards, - Max ----- Enjoying life on the other side of the fence
Max Kentarii Gallente	Posted - 2006.12.09 02:11:00 - [2] Edited by: Max Kentarii on 09/12/2006 02:17:51 TODO LIST - total salvaged items column for one mission - lookup previous entered missions when submitting new salvage report instead of typing the info - add more info to rigs and blueprints section, like which mission has the components you want for a certain rig - make oog-version look pretty (pending eve-online item database update) KNOWN BUGS - none that I can think of at this moment SUGGESTED FEATURES ----- Enjoying life on the other side of the fence
Kella DelRae Ammu-Nation	Posted - 2006.12.10 17:33:00 - [3] This looks incredible nice, I look forward to people using this app after wednesdays aptch (not much use in submitting to it now) make sure it stays up top!
Philip Jones Gallente Bridgeburners 9TH Squad	Posted - 2006.12.10 18:28:00 - [4] Looks useful, hopefully people will send you the data after wednesday.
Sgt Washington	Posted - 2006.12.10 19:05:00 - [5] See, now you have gone and done it! i had just got my head around salvaging being a less than worthwhile time sink and then you go and build this! i don't want to salvage but i'm compeled to now so i can report back for the database. :/me shakes fist at Max and goes to build a salvaging ship/alt. Great job mate, have a cookie on me
Max Kentarii Gallente	Posted - 2006.12.10 19:52:00 - [6] Nice to see some replies at last :) If you want to test it, please enter valid mission data. I will keep that info after wednesday. Don't care about the salvaged materials info though. - Max ----- Enjoying life on the other side of the fence
Shadarle	Posted - 2006.12.10 22:35:00 - [7] I'll submit data after the Wed patch, not much point before then :) ********************************************** Tank Rankings - Ships & Fittings Compared! http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=386174
Faighn Marron Caldari Jol-Nar Industries	Posted - 2006.12.12 04:08:00 - [8] Could you make it so you can toggle it to display between missions with/without salvage and all missions? I understand they'll be revamping the salvage wednesday, and hopefully there'll be a chance of salvage from every wreck, but I wouldn't be surprised if there are still some missions that don't give any salvage. Additionally, could you setup a table for Player shipwrecks? So far mostly I've gotten metal scraps from PC ships, but it would be interesting to see what can be acquired from other ships. Thanks, and excellent job! --- Just because you can't see it doesn't mean it's there.
Max Kentarii Chaos Faction	Posted - 2006.12.13 01:01:00 - [9] Edited by: Max Kentarii on 13/12/2006 01:05:58 Originally by: Faighn Marron Could you make it so you can toggle it to display between missions with/without salvage and all missions? I understand they'll be revamping the salvage wednesday, and hopefully there'll be a chance of salvage from every wreck, but I wouldn't be surprised if there are still some missions that don't give any salvage. Additionally, could you setup a table for Player shipwrecks? So far mostly I've gotten metal scraps from PC ships, but it would be interesting to see what can be acquired from other ships. Thanks, and excellent job! Thanks for your suggestions, and as you can see, I've implemented them already. On a side note, I've updated the first post pending tomorrow's patch. WSDB has now gone live, so no more test-data. PS. I would love to know what kind of salvage materials you can get from a titan. Any BOB members who can enlighten me or is it still left unsalvaged? ----- Enjoying life on the other side of the fence WSDB
Philip Jones Gallente Bridgeburners 9TH Squad	Posted - 2006.12.13 19:03:00 - [10] Has your link gone?
William Blight	Posted - 2006.12.13 19:26:00 - [11] The new database appears to be here http://eve.podzone.net/wsdb/ Just submitted my first salvage report.
Faighn Marron Caldari Jol-Nar Industries	Posted - 2006.12.13 19:46:00 - [12] Looks good. Excellent work Max. Hopefully I won't have to add too many more Level 2 missions. (; --- Just because you can't see it doesn't mean it's there.
Max Kentarii Chaos Faction	Posted - 2006.12.13 21:27:00 - [13] Cheers for submitting everyone. Please use the official mission name when submitting. Makes it a lot easier to maintain. What does A/C stand for anyways? [L2] Unauthorized Military Presence A/C (The Blood Raider Covenant) Gonna take away the A/C from the title unless someone has an objection... no? good :) - Max ----- Enjoying life on the other side of the fence WSDB
Kella DelRae Ammu-Nation	Posted - 2006.12.13 23:32:00 - [14] I got A/C after one of my mission names too, its actually in the title the agent gives you so.... I'd leave it in, though I don't know what it means. Also is there a way to edit a entry? I entered The Score L3 w/ 42 items but was retarded and didn't realize there was a second section so its missing alot, id go ahead and delete it so it doesnt skew your data in thes tartup phase. Everyone input stuff, this thing is pretty cool!
Max Kentarii Chaos Faction	Posted - 2006.12.14 00:23:00 - [15] Originally by: Kella DelRae I got A/C after one of my mission names too, its actually in the title the agent gives you so.... I'd leave it in, though I don't know what it means. Readded A/C to mission title again Originally by: Kella DelRae Also is there a way to edit a entry? I entered The Score L3 w/ 42 items but was retarded and didn't realize there was a second section so its missing alot, id go ahead and delete it so it doesnt skew your data in thes tartup phase. There's no interface for users to edit their entries. Hopefully there wont be a need for one either. At the moment, I'm editing wrong entries through the sql-interface. I deleted your entry from the database. You can readd it if you want now. Originally by: Kella DelRae Everyone input stuff, this thing is pretty cool! Yes, please! ----- Enjoying life on the other side of the fence Wreck Salvaging Database
Elle D Caldari Ars Caelestis	Posted - 2006.12.14 00:44:00 - [16] I'm having troubles getting the my IGB to display the input salvage report form. It won't even display the results from other salvage reports, either. Might be an issue on my end, but I just want to know if anyone else has the same problem. I can view the results in Firefox though, which helps...but I would love to submit my own data and help out in this project.
Minikrimi Extreme Caldari Essence Privateers	Posted - 2006.12.14 01:25:00 - [17] Elle, no problems displaying here, either using the igb or IE (haven't fired up Mozilla yet). Looks good, I'm adding in the cra-, er lovely level 1's I'm currently who- er, spamming.
Faighn Marron Caldari Jol-Nar Industries	Posted - 2006.12.14 02:13:00 - [18] Aye, the A/C was part of the name. No clue what it means, but figured I'd put everything in exactly as it appears for the sake of accuracy. Also more L2s incoming, probably several w/ no loot (we'll see). --- Just because you can't see it doesn't mean it's there.
Tachy	Posted - 2006.12.14 07:29:00 - [19] Yesterday I got 4 different types of (T!) circuit boards from 'The Assault' (L4). I never got more than two types from a mission against a single type of opponent before. The collected data might be outdated by now. --==*-- The cause for this is not yet known, but we do have a possible fix in testing. by Sharkbait \| 2006.09.20
Max Kentarii Chaos Faction	Posted - 2006.12.14 08:48:00 - [20] Originally by: Elle D I'm having troubles getting the my IGB to display the input salvage report form. It won't even display the results from other salvage reports, either. Might be an issue on my end, but I just want to know if anyone else has the same problem. I can view the results in Firefox though, which helps...but I would love to submit my own data and help out in this project. Try adding "http://eve.podzone.net/" without the " to your trusted sites manually. Hope this helps. - Max ----- Enjoying life on the other side of the fence Wreck Salvaging Database
Minikrimi Extreme Caldari Essence Privateers	Posted - 2006.12.14 14:45:00 - [21] Can we get confirmation that it really IS a level 1 Blockade mission vs Sanshas Nation that gave 150 component drops? Considering that the Serpentis version dropped only 7 for me (as reported) it seems a bit much....
Keshi Linegod Amarr Pod Squad Xelas Alliance	Posted - 2006.12.14 16:10:00 - [22] Freeken sweet! I just started salvageing yesterday. Gona run a bunch of missions today and start putting the data in the site. Sugestion: Add a section for belt rats and what they drop so people know where to go ratting if they just need those last few parts for a shiny new rig. Thanks for the sweet took, -K -------------------------------------------------- Loyal servant of the Amarr empire. Why the hell an't my picture showing up.......
ophiuchus3000 ISK Sink Incorporated	Posted - 2006.12.14 19:40:00 - [23] nice work and good to see people adding to it. Added a couple to it as well :)
CaptainHair Amarr	Posted - 2006.12.14 22:57:00 - [24] Added lvl 4 storyline Shipyard Theft and Sansha version of Duo of Death Lets hope more reports get sent in! Keep it up
Sphynx Stormlord Gallente Anqara Industries Serenus Letum	Posted - 2006.12.15 01:34:00 - [25] Very nice, I intend to be adding my mission data here. Features I would like to see: Sort by each salvage material so that it shows the top entries with the highest average salvage of that type. Option to show missions against a particular target type. (eg blood raiders).
Max Kentarii Chaos Faction	Posted - 2006.12.15 02:14:00 - [26] Wiiiiiiiiiiii (tm) It's cool to see so many people contributing to this site. Keep it up everyone. Originally by: Minikrimi Extreme Can we get confirmation that it really IS a level 1 Blockade mission vs Sanshas Nation that gave 150 component drops? Considering that the Serpentis version dropped only 7 for me (as reported) it seems a bit much.... I don't think the 150 salvage drop is really reliable.. guess someone was pretty wasted when they entered that data, lol. Chances are that it's a lvl 4 or 3 at least. Originally by: Keshi Linegod .. Sugestion: Add a section for belt rats and what they drop so people know where to go ratting if they just need those last few parts for a shiny new rig. .. You know that you can actually add rat spawns in the system as it is now. Just choose the ship class, f.ex. Battleship and add the name of the specific rat, and select which faction that rat belongs too. Originally by: Sphynx Stormlord Very nice, I intend to be adding my mission data here. Features I would like to see: Sort by each salvage material so that it shows the top entries with the highest average salvage of that type. Option to show missions against a particular target type. (eg blood raiders). Top entries for a salvage material sounds like a good idea. If you check out my TODO list, you'll see that I've already added the "- Statistics for enemy/faction drops". Originally by: CaptainHair Added lvl 4 storyline Shipyard Theft and Sansha version of Duo of Death Lets hope more reports get sent in! Keep it up Yay, Thx for submitting CaptainHair. - 1000010 ;) ----- Enjoying life on the other side of the fence Wreck Salvaging Database
Max Kentarii Chaos Faction	Posted - 2006.12.15 02:23:00 - [27] To whoever that entered "Plith Guristas 2/10 Complex", I hope you don't mind if I rename it to "Pith Guristas 2/10 Complex" ----- Enjoying life on the other side of the fence Wreck Salvaging Database
Max Kentarii Chaos Faction	Posted - 2006.12.15 02:26:00 - [28] Originally by: Minikrimi Extreme Can we get confirmation that it really IS a level 1 Blockade mission vs Sanshas Nation that gave 150 component drops? Considering that the Serpentis version dropped only 7 for me (as reported) it seems a bit much.... You know what? Since it was me who actually reported the first entry with 27 salvage, I'm gonna delete the other entry with 272 salvage. ----- Enjoying life on the other side of the fence Wreck Salvaging Database
Philip Jones Gallente Bridgeburners 9TH Squad	Posted - 2006.12.15 06:35:00 - [29] Edited by: Philip Jones on 15/12/2006 06:39:51 Added lots of lvl 3s'. I think A/C is Attack the Convoy? EDIT. Can you change my entry for Downing the Slavers LVL 3 and add PART 2 at he end Thanks
Max Kentarii Chaos Faction	Posted - 2006.12.15 11:09:00 - [30] Originally by: Philip Jones Edited by: Philip Jones on 15/12/2006 09:57:28 Added lots of lvl 3s'. I think A/C is Attack the Convoy? EDIT. Can you change my entry for Downing the Slavers LVL 3 and add PART 2 at he end Thanks Can you also delete the Portal to War Part 2 that has no 0 salvage I forgot about the 2nd room. When I went back and salvaged all the Imperial Cruisers to my suprise I recieved salvage!!! Only boards, and also Metal Scraps (12), which I forgot to enter into the database entry [20061215-1047]. Updated all the changes above. - Max ----- Enjoying life on the other side of the fence Wreck Salvaging Database
Artmedis Valben Gallente Lobster of Babel	Posted - 2006.12.15 13:04:00 - [31] Doesn't higher level of Salvaging skill affect your chance of salvaging from a wreck? So isn't that a relevant factor, when determining salvage from a mission? Wouldn't it also make a difference if your salvage boat is fitted with a salvage tackle rig? Or is the percentage chance just something that affects your chance of successfully salvaging at each cycle of salvager, even if there is actually nothing to salvage? In either case: I have researched Salvage tackle BPO, and am making 300run BPCs (ME100/PE50) saves up to 10% of the salvage material needed to construct a rig ___________________________________________ Selling BPCs of almost all seeded BPOs. Lobster of Babel currently holds 641 of the 649 Tech 1 BPOs seeded.
CaptainHair Amarr	Posted - 2006.12.15 14:01:00 - [32] Edited by: CaptainHair on 15/12/2006 14:00:59 As i understand it.. the salvage skill etc increases the chance of successfull salvage. But a failed salvage doesnt lead to the wreck dissapearing, atleast not when i salvage and i can try again and succeed. So higher salvage skill would just mean that you have a greater chance of succeeding on each attempt. Am i wrong?
Slevin Kalebra	Posted - 2006.12.15 15:29:00 - [33] The way I understand it is your salvage skill and fitted salvager tackle rig(s) determine your chance to recover salvage (on a per salvager mod, per cycle basis). The salvage is either 'there' or not, presumably 'decided' at the time the wreck is spawned, along with any normal loot. So eventually, if there is any salvage then you will recover it. Fitting N salvagers reduces the time it takes because you have N times as many chances to recover salvage per cycle. However, some ships, such as T2 and Faction ships (e.g. Dread Gurista) appear to have a 'negative' modifier to the 'chance to salvage'. (This part is a little speculation based on experiance). If the chance to salvage is <=0% then you are informed that your skills are not good enough to recover the salvage from this ship. In any case, the negative modifier is likely to increase the time required to discover whether (or not) that wreck has any salvage. Couple of days ago I spent a very nervous 5 minutes (literally) with 4 salvagers running non-stop on a Dread Gurista cruiser wreck (in low sec, with pirates in system) to be told at the end of the time that the wreck had no salvage. Let's just say certain words were used that would send the chat filter into paroxysms of ******. I did manage to recover an intact shield emitter from another DG wreck later though.
Keshi Linegod Amarr Pod Squad Xelas Alliance	Posted - 2006.12.15 17:42:00 - [34] Originally by: CaptainHair Edited by: CaptainHair on 15/12/2006 14:00:59 As i understand it.. the salvage skill etc increases the chance of successfull salvage. But a failed salvage doesnt lead to the wreck dissapearing, atleast not when i salvage and i can try again and succeed. So higher salvage skill would just mean that you have a greater chance of succeeding on each attempt. Am i wrong? You are correct. Also, with added salvagers you have on a wreck your chance of suceeding does not suffer from a stacking nerf. Each of my salvagers have a 20% chance to sucessfly salvageing and I usaly put 3 of them on a wreck for a 60% chance of suceeding. Does not take me more then 2 cycles to clear the wreck. I discovered today that the salvage tackle just increases that bonus and that what the wreck has in it is static I dont think the tackle is worth putting it on my alt's destroyer IMO. Proubly best to put a cargo expander or speed boost on a salvage ship. -------------------------------------------------- Loyal servant of the Amarr empire. Why the hell an't my picture showing up.......
ophiuchus3000 ISK Sink Incorporated	Posted - 2006.12.15 21:50:00 - [35] Originally by: Max Kentarii To whoever that entered "Plith Guristas 2/10 Complex", I hope you don't mind if I rename it to "Pith Guristas 2/10 Complex" Hehehe yeah typo 4tw. I'll blame the beer on that one.
Fitz VonHeise	Posted - 2006.12.16 00:39:00 - [36] The "Database" seems to be missing.
Canute Minealot	Posted - 2006.12.16 07:28:00 - [37] I don't think we need a database based on Missions. What component you get is based on the Faction of the wreck. And we already know that Drones, Merc's and Empire Faction ships dont give any salvage components so far. So we just need a Database what kind of faction can drop what Components. I was hunting just Guristas and only got the same 7 different Components out of them. Burned Logic Circuit Charred Micro Circuit Fried Interface Circuit Malfunctioning Shield Emitte Scorched Telemetry Processor Tripped Power Circuit Ward Console From Dread Guristas Enhanced Ward Console Intact Shield Emitter Telemetry Processor
Aerth Star	Posted - 2006.12.16 08:45:00 - [38] Edited by: Aerth Star on 16/12/2006 08:45:43 Originally by: Fitz VonHeise The "Database" seems to be missing. It's not really missing.... just not posted as a link. in the original poster's message, he said to open your IGB (in game browser) to: eve.podzone.net/wsdb/ http://eve.podzone.net/wsdb/ edited: double url as linkage.
Max Kentarii Chaos Faction	Posted - 2006.12.16 11:10:00 - [39] Edited by: Max Kentarii on 16/12/2006 11:11:48 Originally by: Canute Minealot I don't think we need a database based on Missions. What component you get is based on the Faction of the wreck. And we already know that Drones, Merc's and Empire Faction ships dont give any salvage components so far. So we just need a Database what kind of faction can drop what Components. In the programming business, there are two phrases that goes like this: "Need to have" and "Nice to have". Guess which this falls under? Statistics based on faction will be made available soon. As a mission salvager, which most people are, they can use this DB to find out if they should bother salvaging at all, which imo is pretty nice. So to all who like it, please continue contributing, and those who don't... come back later if you change your mind. Originally by: Fitz VonHeise The "Database" seems to be missing. Please enlighten me.. what did you mean by this? ----- Enjoying life on the other side of the fence Wreck Salvaging Database
Miri Tirzan Caldari Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.16 11:34:00 - [40] Originally by: Keshi Linegod ... Each of my salvagers have a 20% chance to sucessfly salvageing and I usaly put 3 of them on a wreck for a 60% chance of suceeding. Does not take me more then 2 cycles to clear the wreck. Sorry but you have the math wrong. You do not add the percentage chance of success. The easy way is to caculate the percentage chance that all will fail. So with 80% failure rate, the odds that all three will fail is: .8^3 = 51.2% so you have a 48.8% chance of success. Sucess rate to number of salvage attemps based on 20% success rate: 1 20% 2 36% 3 48.8% 4 59% 5 67.2% 6 73.8 As you can see, the odds will approach 100% but will never reach it. The formula is 1 - ( F ^ # ) where F = the probility of failure per single attempt # = the number of attempts. Hope this helps. svetlana - "whining gets you stuff. that is why humans got to the top of the food chain and all the other animals got nerfed."
Saldun Zexu	Posted - 2006.12.17 00:22:00 - [41] I'm killing many navies still no single component from them after patch. CCP, why? sad
Fliewatuet Angelus dos Business	Posted - 2006.12.17 02:03:00 - [42] Ok, another Guristas Extra submited. Seems like the numbers are quite different each time so it still needs a lot of reports more to hit a good average. And on another side, it would be quite useful to look up the types of rigs you can build with a certain salvaged material. :) Otherwise, it looks great, is simple to use and intuitive. Good job. Regards, Fliewatuet --
Ogdru Jahad Amarr Astral Wolves	Posted - 2006.12.17 12:23:00 - [43] New Regions after four days i got the following Alloyed Tritanium Bar x12 Armor Plates x16 Broken Drone Transceiver x203 Burned Logic Circuit x140 Charred Micro Circuit x204 Conductive Polymer x11 Contaminated Lorentz Fluid x14 Contaminated Nanite Compound x13 Damaged Artificial Neural Network x83 Defective Current Pump x13 Fried Interface Circuit x103 Malfunctioning Shield Emitter x7 Melted Capacitor Console x13 Scorched Telemetry Processorx 12 Smashed Trigger Unit x15 Tangled Power Conduit x8 Thruster Console x14 Tripped Power Circuit x124 Ward Console x14 -
bringme2life Caldari Imperial Ravens	Posted - 2006.12.17 21:43:00 - [44] Thanks for great service Max, will certainly put it in good use. Already submitted one salvaging report
Morro Terminus	Posted - 2006.12.17 23:12:00 - [45] Ran the new Stop the Thief today for Caldari Navy and didnt get one item from Salvaging. very little worthless Loot as well.
Shayla Etherodyne	Posted - 2006.12.18 11:22:00 - [46] Edited by: Shayla Etherodyne on 18/12/2006 11:23:09 Looking my reports I see that my results often are lower than the average, even with salvaging at 4. As I am currently operating in high sec systems, I suspect that there is a security level variable in salvaging.
Viktoria Maher	Posted - 2006.12.19 01:56:00 - [47] Edited by: Viktoria Maher on 19/12/2006 01:59:22 My 0.4 salvage (so far) appears higher than the average, so I suspect you are right. Suggestion: Add a table similar to "Faction Salvage Drops" listing rigs that can be made and the components they require.
Fliewatuet Angelus dos Business	Posted - 2006.12.19 22:15:00 - [48] i've done about ten missions and entered them into the db. I'm running missions in a 0.7 sec rate system and so far, i'm sometimes over average, sometimes under it. I don't see any connection of the security system to the amount of salvage material. That or noone entered anything from lowsec before me. Regards, Flie --
Canute Minealot	Posted - 2006.12.20 01:41:00 - [49] How much you get is totaly random. A Large Wreck (BS) can give you 0-20 (maybe 25) components, while a small wreck (frig) 0-5 . Until the Database got 1000+ entry for the same mission, you can't realy tell an average.
Noig Lamaroz	Posted - 2006.12.20 01:59:00 - [50] Nice site and all.. Shame that the info I was basically looking for doesnt hold true in that site (what faction drops what salvage pieces) There's simply too much bogus data and it now claims that nearly all items drop from nearly all factions, which as anyone doing salvaging knows, aint true.
CaptainHair Amarr	Posted - 2006.12.20 02:03:00 - [51] Edited by: CaptainHair on 20/12/2006 02:03:52 never mind :D
Max Kentarii Chaos Faction	Posted - 2006.12.20 02:44:00 - [52] Edited by: Max Kentarii on 20/12/2006 02:46:20 Originally by: Noig Lamaroz Nice site and all.. Shame that the info I was basically looking for doesnt hold true in that site (what faction drops what salvage pieces) There's simply too much bogus data and it now claims that nearly all items drop from nearly all factions, which as anyone doing salvaging knows, aint true. I've made a little improvement to the faction salvage page. It now shows the total amount of salvage reported for an item/faction so that you can interpret the statistics as you wish. A very low number is most likely an input error or a very rare drop, while a high number can be considered very reliable. I'll work on a way to let people track down the reports which gives the abnormal statistics. I encourage everyone to report obvious faulty reports to me, either by evemail or here. ----- Enjoying life on the other side of the fence Got salvage?
Diatom	Posted - 2006.12.20 20:07:00 - [53] Hey Max, nice job and I'm contributing salvage amounts from each mission. I was wondering if u can do a "Where-Used" kind of sort. In other words if I wanted to know which missions drop "Contaminated Nanite" I could enter Contaminated Nanite and a list of missions and faction with the average amount recovered. Just a thought because I'm constantly being asked which mission drops this.......I'm a mission *****.. "If you don't know where you are going, any road will get you there"
Canute	Posted - 2006.12.21 02:08:00 - [54] Take a look at faction salvage drops first, then you know what faction drop these Component. And any Mission with these Faction would drop it.
Diatom	Posted - 2006.12.21 05:18:00 - [55] I'm sorry Canute if I wasn't clear. Faction of course is important, but my questeion for a "Where Used" was directed at the name of the mission. Of course it is only a suggestion. I think the data base is great. "If you don't know where you are going, any road will get you there"
Ogdru Jahad Amarr Astral Wolves	Posted - 2006.12.21 11:29:00 - [56] Originally by: Canute Take a look at faction salvage drops first, then you know what faction drop these Component. And any Mission with these Faction would drop it. Thar needs changing fast as! Belt Rogue drones do drop salvage. -
Max Kentarii Chaos Faction	Posted - 2006.12.21 21:37:00 - [57] Originally by: Ogdru Jahad Originally by: Canute Take a look at faction salvage drops first, then you know what faction drop these Component. And any Mission with these Faction would drop it. Thar needs changing fast as! Belt Rogue drones do drop salvage. Well.. you can add that to the salvage database as well. Just type in the name of the rat, which faction/enemy, in this case rogue drones, and type, which could be a battleship or a cruiser etc. While I'm at it.. I've added tables which shows all types reported for a given faction. List are based on primary enemy/faction. Secondary is ignored for now. Wanna know what has been reported on the Angel Cartel, Guristas Pirates etc. ----- Enjoying life on the other side of the fence Got salvage?
Max Kentarii Chaos Faction	Posted - 2006.12.23 21:47:00 - [58] Just added the functionality to delete own reports. Now people can fix their own mistakes more easily. Perhaps I'll add an edit functionality later on, but for now, just delete and resubmit a new report if you happen to enter the wrong data. ----- Got Salvage?
Max Kentarii Chaos Faction	Posted - 2006.12.27 04:54:00 - [59] Added "My Page" which summarizes your salvage report on one page. - Now you can browse through all your salvage reports. - What mission types you've done. - Which factions you have killed. - How many items you've managed to salvage. ----- Got Salvage?
Klinsanthoor	Posted - 2006.12.28 05:26:00 - [60] Edited by: Klinsanthoor on 28/12/2006 05:27:29 nice
Daya Doon Minmatar X.E.N.O. Breidablik	Posted - 2006.12.31 06:20:00 - [61] Nicely done Max. Site bookmarked and entry made.
Ilea Celentay Veiled Justice	Posted - 2007.01.02 13:54:00 - [62] Originally by: Max Kentarii Added "My Page" which summarizes your salvage report on one page. - Now you can browse through all your salvage reports. - What mission types you've done. - Which factions you have killed. - How many items you've managed to salvage. I have emailed you in regards to this, not sure how often your email address is checked, but I used the one that you provided on your site 'max@...' I emailed from immortal-nights.com, so check your junk mail! Otherwise, nice site - your information has been useful to correct errors with my own database. - Faction\|Tech1 Ship Info \|\| Rig Factory
Mikal Drey	Posted - 2007.01.02 21:10:00 - [63] small bumb and nice work. is it possible to add searchable mission/salvage I like to check my mission before i salvage it and i also keep looking up which npc drops specific salvage. It would be great to be able to search directly :) mucho gratis. will keep adding missions :) iskies sent when i get back ingame Mikal Drey
Faighn Marron Caldari Jol-Nar Industries	Posted - 2007.01.03 06:48:00 - [64] Small note, The Rogue Slave Trader Part 2 and Downing The Slavers Part 2 are the same mission. If there was some way to automatically consolidate the reports together that would be great... --- Just because you can't see it doesn't mean it's there.
Max Kentarii Chaos Faction	Posted - 2007.01.03 10:13:00 - [65] Originally by: Faighn Marron Small note, The Rogue Slave Trader Part 2 and Downing The Slavers Part 2 are the same mission. If there was some way to automatically consolidate the reports together that would be great... There is not any automatic way to do this as of now, so I just manually move the reports from one mission to the other and delete the "faulty" mission entry. Will fix it when i get home. ----- Wreck Salvaging Database
Max Kentarii Chaos Faction	Posted - 2007.01.03 19:16:00 - [66] Originally by: Mikal Drey small bumb and nice work. is it possible to add searchable mission/salvage I like to check my mission before i salvage it and i also keep looking up which npc drops specific salvage. It would be great to be able to search directly :) mucho gratis. will keep adding missions :) iskies sent when i get back ingame Mikal Drey Thank you very much for the generous contribution * Max Kentarii runs off to Jita to buy a few new toys for his ship. * ----- Wreck Salvaging Database
Viktoria Maher	Posted - 2007.01.10 01:56:00 - [67] This be useful. :)
Firecrak	Posted - 2007.01.10 20:38:00 - [68] Hmm this tool looks nifty and its IGB compatible, so easy as peesey. One question, I've run multiple missions before that have pulled up jack****, should we submit null results as well as positive missions?
Max Kentarii Chaos Faction	Posted - 2007.01.10 20:53:00 - [69] Originally by: Firecrak Hmm this tool looks nifty and its IGB compatible, so easy as peesey. One question, I've run multiple missions before that have pulled up jack****, should we submit null results as well as positive missions? Yes, if the mission doesn't give any salvage, submit a mission report with 0 salvage. ----- Wreck Salvaging Database
Viktoria Maher	Posted - 2007.01.10 23:04:00 - [70] If it is a mission that 20 other people have done and none of them have salvaged anything, I don't bother reporting it. If only a few people have reported the mission (or if any number of people have done a mission but gotten some salvage) I will report null salvage.
DR Blues	Posted - 2007.01.11 12:53:00 - [71] Nice database :) thankz Would like to see a sticky on this tread
Faighn Marron Caldari Jol-Nar Industries	Posted - 2007.01.16 07:05:00 - [72] Any chance we could get a "light" version (maybe a checkbox or something) that lists just Mission Level/Name, # of Reports, and Average Salvage. It'd make it a lot easier to load the thing with the IGB, as well as faster and safer to submit reports. I've been fairly remiss lately on adding my info, largely due to having to wait several minutes for the thing to load... (yeah I'm a bit ADD, sue me.) --- Just because you can't see it doesn't mean it's there.
Max Kentarii Chaos Faction	Posted - 2007.01.18 00:45:00 - [73] Speeding up IGB version is definitely on my todo-list as well as making the OOG version look good. Been busy at work lately and haven't found the inspiration to work on the WSDB so much, but it will get more love soon. Would be nice to see more player ships added to the database though, both T1 and T2. Here's an example on how to do it: Name: Megathron Type: Battleships Faction: Gallente Federation Name: Vindicator Type: Battleships Faction: Serpentis If you're unsure which faction a ship belongs to, check this wiki Tip of the day: Bookmark the "submit salvaging report" page for quick access when you want to register a report. ----- Wreck Salvaging Database
Bambi	Posted - 2007.01.18 16:59:00 - [74] Great site, I found it ages ago whwn you 1st started it up then lost the link. You know what these forums are like for finding things.... But now I found it again, its great! [sig banned as it was just too damn good] Knowledge is knowing a tomato is a fruit; Wisdom is not putting it in a fruit salad. EVE-Log
Venkul Mul Gallente	Posted - 2007.01.19 00:00:00 - [75] Read today Dev blogs? The droprates will change with the 29 patch.
Viktoria Maher	Posted - 2007.01.19 02:04:00 - [76] Hmm, so non-dropping NPCs may start dropping, but NPC faction drops have been played with too. Looks like the database will have to be reset when these changes are made, or at least have some way to seperate old data from the new.
Max Kentarii Chaos Faction	Posted - 2007.01.19 15:15:00 - [77] Originally by: Venkul Mul Read today Dev blogs? The droprates will change with the 29 patch. Which blog are you referring to? I only found this post ----- Wreck Salvaging Database
Mr Hawk	Posted - 2007.01.19 15:25:00 - [78] does it make a difference to the database anyway ? I dont think so. the database is excellent for checking your mission against what others are geting and its very helpfull to find what items drop from which mission. BUT it isnt acruate for what CCP have put into missions. Variables it doesnt track : Lost Wrecks not looted Skills/Rig % Typing Errors/human input errors - thanks for the del option max it does a perfect job for player input and tracking. The dev blog/post was about mercs will be droping salvage as they currently dont drop salvage the DB will have nul entries and wont need to be reset.
Venkul Mul Gallente	Posted - 2007.01.19 16:49:00 - [79] Edited by: Venkul Mul on 19/01/2007 16:46:47 This blog: TomB coffe girl in particular: "Since I joined the team, I was given the task of fixing salvaging. Salvaging as a feature was not broken as such, but there are aspects of it that needed some attention and tuning. One, which you are undoubtedly aware of, is that certain NPCs were not dropping salvage. No matter how much you tried, you always got the nice message ôYour salvaging attempt has been successful, however there was nothing to salvageö. Having experienced this myself I do understand this frustration. This is something that needed to be fixed, but it's not an easy task. There were about 500 entities not dropping salvage, but in order to make them drop, they needed to be categorized according to size, race and so forth. Amongst other things that have been changed are player ships. They will now drop more salvage than they have been, and in more variety based on their faction. Damaged Artificial Neural Networks were also added to some NPCs as they were only being dropped in minimum amount in player ships. The drops from NPC factions were also tweaked a bit, moved around, added to some, frequency increased and/or decreased and so forth, so balance would be held between the factions. The work on this has been finished, and only awaits testing by the QA department." and in the comments: "The salvage materials have been decreased in size. All these changed will come with the 1.3 patch at the end of the month."
Egil Kolsto Caldari Collwood Collective	Posted - 2007.01.19 16:55:00 - [80] As a mission runner, severely turned off by the whole wreck part I now ask in local for you dedicated salvagers. Salia (forgot last name) got some decent parts last night from The Assault Lvl 4 (Gurista) not sure if she reads the forum or not. Happy salvaging guys, I buy the rigs so you do a great job!
Max Kentarii Chaos Faction	Posted - 2007.01.19 22:53:00 - [81] Originally by: Viktoria Maher Hmm, so non-dropping NPCs may start dropping, but NPC faction drops have been played with too. Looks like the database will have to be reset when these changes are made, or at least have some way to seperate old data from the new. Added a flag to differentiate the different major patches like "Revelations 1.1", "Revelations 1.2" etc. I'll make it more visible at a later time when R1.3 is out. This way, we'll be able to compare/filter out old data. ----- Wreck Salvaging Database
Max Kentarii Chaos Faction	Posted - 2007.01.19 23:09:00 - [82] Originally by: Mr Hawk does it make a difference to the database anyway ? I dont think so. the database is excellent for checking your mission against what others are geting and its very helpfull to find what items drop from which mission. BUT it isnt acruate for what CCP have put into missions. Variables it doesnt track : Lost Wrecks not looted Skills/Rig % Typing Errors/human input errors - thanks for the del option max it does a perfect job for player input and tracking. The dev blog/post was about mercs will be droping salvage as they currently dont drop salvage the DB will have nul entries and wont need to be reset. Another aspect I noticed which causes the database to not be 100% correct is the fact that some missions includes rats from other factions. Ritualist Raids (Blood primary with a touch of Angel) is one. Rogue Slave Trader Lvl 4 is another (don't remember if it was part 1 or 2). Skills/Rig % shouldn't matter since the amount should be the same. The percentage only affects how fast you pull the junk out of the wrecks. Lost wrecks is kinda hard to do anything about on my part. Same goes with bonus stages on missions like Angel Extra. Missions with mixed factions/enemies are always hard to make out as well but they don't count towards the faction statistics. But with the database you'll get a certain idea what to expect. I kinda like the fact that I can keep track of how much salvage I've gotten since I started :) ----- Wreck Salvaging Database
Michael Caldar	Posted - 2007.01.20 18:00:00 - [83] Originally by: Ogdru Jahad Thar needs changing fast as! Belt Rogue drones do drop salvage. Not in Caldari space they don't. If you're referring to the lvl3 Rogues Drones that is...
Mikal Drey	Posted - 2007.01.20 22:53:00 - [84] its the new rogue drone npc's that drop salvage (unconfirmed personally) Mission NPC drones dont drop salvage.
Gaius Sejanus Gallente Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2007.01.21 00:46:00 - [85] Quote: and in the comments: "The salvage materials have been decreased in size. All these changed will come with the 1.3 patch at the end of the month." This to me makes it sound like the cubic meter measurement of salvaged materials will be reduced so they take up less space in your cargo bay. Doesn't sound like a reduction in the frequency of salvaged drops.
Viktoria Maher	Posted - 2007.01.21 23:06:00 - [86] Edited by: Viktoria Maher on 21/01/2007 23:02:49 Indeed. Unfortunately Quote: The drops from NPC factions were also tweaked a bit, moved around, added to some, frequency increased and/or decreased and so forth, so balance would be held between the factions. makes me think that at least something has had its drops decreased. ;)
Max Kentarii Chaos Faction	Posted - 2007.01.23 22:24:00 - [87] Just given the out-of-game version some love. Hope you guys like the new design. More functional changes will come as soon as I finish cleaning up the design of the igb-version as well. ----- Wreck Salvaging Database
Max Kentarii Chaos Faction	Posted - 2007.01.25 01:55:00 - [88] Edited by: Max Kentarii on 25/01/2007 01:54:45 Ok.. I lied.. haven't done much to the igb version, but I added a neat functionality to the oog version. Open up t1 rigs material usage comparison and enter the amount of salvage materials you have available and press submit. The easy to read table quickly gives you an idea of what you can build and what you can't. Hope some of you find it useful. I will implement the igb version of this soon.. just need some sleep now. Ps. if you're logged in, it will fetch the numbers from your salvage report as listed on my page. ----- Wreck Salvaging Database
Max Kentarii Chaos Faction	Posted - 2007.01.25 22:01:00 - [89] Renamed "t1 rigs material usage comparison" to "T1 Rig Builder". Short and simple :) Added perfect ML values based on the MLCalc application made by Zatch. ----- Wreck Salvaging Database
Max Kentarii Nordic Endeavour	Posted - 2007.01.30 17:14:00 - [90] I feel like a bump is in order. Please add reports as if the database is empty. We need mission statistics for Rev 1.3. I will make it easy to filter between all/multiple/single version reports. Thanks for contributing everyone. ----- Wreck Salvaging Database
Fliewatuet Angelus dos Business	Posted - 2007.01.30 20:48:00 - [91] Originally by: Max Kentarii Please add reports as if the database is empty. We need mission statistics for Rev 1.3. Since there are quite a lot of differences between Rev 1.3 and the old data - isn't a reset the way to go? As long as the average calculation includes old data, we don't get a useful average for Rev 1.3. Oh, and the graphics are nice but somehow, reading the picture titles that are rotated by 90 degree isn't that easy. My impression was that the shortened name with the possibility of hoovering over to get the long name as a tooltip was easier to the eye. Oh, and why did you use rotated shortened graphics at all? The shortened title is short enough so that it won't push out the table. :) And another thing i noticed: It would be nice to have the shortened title repeated every 20 or perhaps 15 entries in the tables. Regards, Flie --
Max Kentarii Nordic Endeavour	Posted - 2007.01.31 02:41:00 - [92] Reset is the solution to Microsoft Windows problems :P Reason I want to keep the existing data is: 1) Fun to see the history 2) Some people keep track of their mission records 3) Some people keep track of their total salvage materials I'll be adding a filter which will only show the latest Rev 1.3.x reports by default, so the statistics will count that. The ones interested in the history can of course go back and view that as well. As for the vertical text.. I kinda agree with you there, but what I really want is for CCP to release the item graphics soon... If not, I'll go about making them myself soon. - Max ----- Wreck Salvaging Database
Max Kentarii Nordic Endeavour	Posted - 2007.02.03 22:28:00 - [93] CHANGELOG 03/02 - Added icons for salvage materials for the oog-version. - Added salvage material inventory on my page. - When submitting a new salvage report, your inventory will be updated to reflect this automatically. - T1 rig builder now uses your inventory count instead of alltime count. - Added export option for your salvage material inventory if you are out of game. - Added a few more links to some useful sites. ----- Wreck Salvaging Database
Viktoria Maher	Posted - 2007.02.04 12:13:00 - [94] The inventory is a very nice touch. :b:
Aranorn Luna Rossa Corporation The Guardian Coalition	Posted - 2007.02.05 05:37:00 - [95] Erm. Cant seem to submit salvage reports or set a password via the IGB. Any ideas?
Max Kentarii Nordic Endeavour	Posted - 2007.02.05 12:04:00 - [96] Originally by: Aranorn Erm. Cant seem to submit salvage reports or set a password via the IGB. Any ideas? My immediate thought is to add 'http://eve.podzone.net/' to your trusted sites manually. If that doesn't work, I'll have to look into it when I get home. You can also join the ingame channel WSDB if you want to. Easier to chat there regarding issues. * Max Kentarii hits the BOSS button and goes back to work * ----- Wreck Salvaging Database
Max Kentarii Nordic Endeavour	Posted - 2007.02.05 19:28:00 - [97] Just tested the trust functionality in the EVE IGB. Even though you answer yes to the question, the IGB doesn't set the site to trusted. Check the image EVE IGB Trust Issues Fix this by clicking on "Options -> Trusted Sites". Locate "http://eve.podzone.net/" in the list and select it. Then click on the button named "Trusted". If the site isn't listed, add it manually. This will set it as trusted automatically. Hope you can login now. - Max ----- Wreck Salvaging Database
Max Kentarii Nordic Endeavour	Posted - 2007.02.19 22:49:00 - [98] Fixed a bug which prevented new users from registering passwords/reports ----- Wreck Salvaging Database
Ko'ras Emn Scrap Scavenger	Posted - 2007.02.20 00:22:00 - [99] \o/ Thanks again to have fix this :)
Derboff	Posted - 2007.02.25 22:06:00 - [100] Thx Max again for this wonderful datable gives invaluable information One minor question, is there any possiblity of having it also work the otherway round so you could state a salvaged part, and get where you might get it from Even with out this feature I will continue to use it, and add my mission results to the db
Viktoria Maher	Posted - 2007.02.25 23:13:00 - [101] Well, you can see which factions drop what type of items, so it is easy to see who drops the most of whatever item you are interested in. Then you need to do research into where these factions live (as in, what region(s) give missions against this faction).
Lrrp Minmatar Gallente Mercantile Exchange	Posted - 2007.02.26 01:32:00 - [102] Not to burst the data base bubble but I've been starting to keep track of salvage in missions. I've done lvl 4 Unauthorised Military Prescence twice now and the salvage for each mission was no where similar.
Selena 001	Posted - 2007.03.16 09:59:00 - [103] I'd Assume thats becuase each races variant of that mission spawns different rats? (Gallente mission would spawn Caldari Navy NPC's etc) This is only an assumption, but it may account for the difference in salvageable materials. ___________ NATIONAL SARCASM DAY!!
Max Kentarii Nordic Endeavour	Posted - 2007.03.16 10:28:00 - [104] Unauthorized military presence comes in many flavours as stated in the previous post. So you might have looked at the wrong entry. I found most entries to be rather accurate, at least those with +5 reports, so keep on submitting :) ----- Wreck Salvaging Database
Max Kentarii Nordic Endeavour	Posted - 2007.03.23 22:06:00 - [105] Rev. 1.4 has been added with a few more new missions. Please help enter the new data for these missions into the db. Thanks for the support so far everyone. Ps. updated the icons for ward console and enhanced ward console. ----- Wreck Salvaging Database
Akita T Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2007.05.24 09:22:00 - [106] No idea if you still actively pursue this, but could you enable a few more filters for the "faction-specific" drops ? For instance, a "include missions of level [][][][]" checkbox section, and another "average value per mission included" checkbox ? This way, you'd (much easier) see, at a glance, what kind of drops you get from a certain faction. Or, alternatively, make an completely different display style, with "percentage of total drops from a faction" instead of "amounts". At least for that page it would make a lot more sense... and it would be even simpler as the above suggestion. _ MySkills \| Module/Rig stacknerfing explained
Janssen	Posted - 2007.06.03 00:57:00 - [107] I'm finding the T1 Rig builder to be a valuable tool. Thanks! As soon as I get back to ratting, I'll add stuff to your mission drops DB.
FT Diomedes Gallente Vereor Is Inceptum	Posted - 2007.06.03 14:40:00 - [108] I've been adding to this for every L3 mission I run. I find it a great resource. ------------------------------------------------ FT Diomedes - That ship looks like one of those centipede things from that game, what's it called? FT Cold - Centipede. FT Diomedes - That's it!
Talkie Toaster Amarr	Posted - 2007.06.03 14:42:00 - [109] just started filling out reports a few days ago, i think im up to 14 now :) including a few that had never been done before. its a great resorce and is very very handy. the rig builder is also very useful.
Tonto Auri Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2007.06.09 13:40:00 - [110] Dunno if it already suggested or not. 1. Move "The " prefix to the end like on Missions database 2. When deleting submitted report - send reporter back to filling report. Often happened issue: I have entered wrong mission name and need to reenter entire data instead of just correcting the mission name/type. 3. For OOG links, agg shellexec: prefix before http:// (like on EVE-o news) 4. Add some rapid links to reporting page. I'm doing L2 missions ATM and really boring while navigating through that long combobox listing all possible wreckage odds in EVE. As example, http://eve.podzone.net/wsdb/?op=rep&type=L2 (prefix from squares) 5. Remove metal Scraps from reporting list. Dunno why someone may fill that field. I never do that - I just can't see it at a time of reporting in my cargohold, sorted by type. There are only 19 real salvage materials of 2 types, 38 total. -- .
Rylor	Posted - 2007.07.10 18:29:00 - [111] Is this data being collected taking into account the bonuses for salvaging rigs? Supposedly they increase the chance of salvalging an item which may change the statistics a bit depending on the salvager. Also, does anyone know if using more than one salvager on a wreck produces more salvage? Or maybe increases the chance of salvage?
FT Diomedes Gallente Ductus Exemplo	Posted - 2007.07.10 18:35:00 - [112] Originally by: Rylor Is this data being collected taking into account the bonuses for salvaging rigs? Supposedly they increase the chance of salvalging an item which may change the statistics a bit depending on the salvager. Also, does anyone know if using more than one salvager on a wreck produces more salvage? Or maybe increases the chance of salvage? It doesn't work that way. Having salvaging rigs makes wrecks more accessible. It makes it take fewer cycles to salvage the wreck. The same is true of training up the salvaging skill. The amount of salvage in a wreck is predetermined - like the amount of loot in a wreck. Using more than one salvager on a wreck makes it take less time to salvage the wreck. It means you will get fewer failed cycles. It does not produce more salvage.
Arte Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2007.07.21 20:49:00 - [113] Hello, First of all, thankyou for the effort in developing a handy tool. I've just started doing missions and seriously gearing up to building rigs so this will serve me will. My question is this, (apologies if the answer lies somewhere already). Is there a way to find out where I can find a particular salvage item. As in 'reverse engineer' the data? In particular I am looking for alloyed tritanium bars to build cargo expander rigs with and they are very expensive where I am at the moment (amarr space) and the missions I do just don't seeem to drop them. So in my instance, if I could find out where they were more abundant then it would be great. Can that function be included into your application or is it available elsewhere? Many thanks in advance and thanks once again for the efforts you've already made.
FT Diomedes Gallente Ductus Exemplo	Posted - 2007.07.31 21:31:00 - [114] Originally by: Arte Hello, First of all, thankyou for the effort in developing a handy tool. I've just started doing missions and seriously gearing up to building rigs so this will serve me will. My question is this, (apologies if the answer lies somewhere already). Is there a way to find out where I can find a particular salvage item. As in 'reverse engineer' the data? In particular I am looking for alloyed tritanium bars to build cargo expander rigs with and they are very expensive where I am at the moment (amarr space) and the missions I do just don't seeem to drop them. So in my instance, if I could find out where they were more abundant then it would be great. Can that function be included into your application or is it available elsewhere? Many thanks in advance and thanks once again for the efforts you've already made. The best source for tritanium bars is Angel Cartel ships - especially Angel battleships. ------------ Improvize. Adapt. Overcome.

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