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Jonas Kanjus
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.08.14 19:25:54 -
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Howdy,
I've been with EVE for over 10 years and 99% of the time has been spent flying shield tankers. I have zero issues putting together a ship with DPS and shield tank. Now, over the years, the mechanics for armor tanking has changed some with the introduction to the Armor Resistance Shifting Armor Hardener (that's a mouth full). I've been trying to integrate my ship fitting methods used on shield tankers to armor tankers. Yes, I can still get insane DPS; however, the armor tank flat out sucks. Between the really slow rep time of the armor repairer module and the subpar resists, I'm lead to wonder if being able to armor tank and output good DPS is even possible. It would seem to me that one is stuck trying to achieve DPS OR achieve an armor tank.
Most of the ships I fly are Caldari-based (Gurista's, Caldari Navy, Mordu's Legion, and Sansha's). All of my fits are designed to be in favor of DPS while maintaining a decent shield tank for running missions in Caldari space. I'm getting bored of missiles and drones and want to fly Serpentis. I've used EFT to sketch up possible fittings and I simply cannot get a good tank and DPS combo. I've started running missions for a new corp; so, I'm stuck with level 2's for now. I want to try the Vigilant with blasters and an AB. I suppose a speed tank is what I should outfit for? I know Serpentis are geared more for PvP with the webber/warp sram bonus; but, their damage output is more desirable than Gallente ships.
Thanks in advance for the tips/advice.
My inauguration date to EVE Online:
6/25/2005 8:24:57 AM UTC
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Pax Deltari
NPC Corp Worst Corp No Doubt
42
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Posted - 2015.08.14 20:07:23 -
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What kind of numbers are you looking for/ find acceptable for DPS/ EHp/S. |
Jonas Kanjus
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
19
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Posted - 2015.08.14 20:25:35 -
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Pax Deltari wrote:What kind of numbers are you looking for/ find acceptable for DPS/ EHp/S.
If I am shield tanking, I like to see all resists close to 75% or better. For cruiser DPS, around 400 or so. So far, the Gurista ships are the only ones I can get near 80% resists with 750+ DPS. But, as I said, I want to fly a hybrid boat (no moa).
I have flown most all faction ships with the exception of SoE, Blood Raiders and Serpentis. I have always admired the serpentis ships, just never got around to flying them.
My inauguration date to EVE Online:
6/25/2005 8:24:57 AM UTC
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Tsukino Stareine
Sock Robbers Inc.
Low-Class
1306
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Posted - 2015.08.14 20:45:10 -
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paper dps != applied dps
armour ships applied dps is usually superior due to more mids for ewar and tracking mods.
So while your shield gank thorax is putting out 800 DPS it can only do so at 2km range and if the target is bigger than itself and not moving. |
Jonas Kanjus
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
19
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Posted - 2015.08.14 20:55:45 -
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This is what I came up with for a level 2 mission runner. It has over 500 DPS and the resists are where I want them. I can swap the rails for neutron blasters and add a webber if I want to go that route. I'm trying to keep the faction mods to a minimum.
[Vigilant, Rails]
Medium Armor Repairer II
True Sansha Energized Thermic Membrane
True Sansha Energized Kinetic Membrane
True Sansha Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
Reactive Armor Hardener
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
10MN Afterburner II
Tracking Computer II, Tracking Speed Script
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II
250mm Prototype Gauss Gun, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
250mm Prototype Gauss Gun, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
250mm Prototype Gauss Gun, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
250mm Prototype Gauss Gun, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
250mm Prototype Gauss Gun, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Medium Hybrid Collision Accelerator I
Medium Hybrid Metastasis Adjuster I
Hammerhead II x5
My inauguration date to EVE Online:
6/25/2005 8:24:57 AM UTC
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Mysa
Alekhine's Gun
The Periphery
41
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Posted - 2015.08.14 21:27:29 -
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[quote=Jonas Kanjus]"This is what I came up with for a level 2 mission runner"
[Vigilant, Rails] <- THIS..
5x250mm Prototype Gauss Gun, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M <- AND THIS
AND NO 90% webs?!? ITS JUST LEVEL 2 AGENTS... WTH!
A 200m cheaper cormorant, hectate, thorax, rail dd, cataclyst or whatever hybrid turret ship will do just fine in lv2's, why and oh why are you using a vigilant for it??? Are you sure your not gonna use a Adestria for your comming lv3's???
SoloFoLife!
-KEKE the Merlin wonder
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Tsukino Stareine
Sock Robbers Inc.
Low-Class
1306
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Posted - 2015.08.14 21:30:39 -
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wow such troll |
Jonas Kanjus
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
19
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Posted - 2015.08.14 21:35:55 -
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Mysa wrote:[quote=Jonas Kanjus]"This is what I came up with for a level 2 mission runner"
[Vigilant, Rails] <- THIS..
5x250mm Prototype Gauss Gun, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M <- AND THIS
AND NO 90% webs?!? ITS JUST LEVEL 2 AGENTS... WTH!
A 200m cheaper cormorant, hectate, thorax, rail dd, cataclyst or whatever hybrid turret ship will do just fine in lv2's, why and oh why are you using a vigilant for it??? Are you sure your not gonna use a Adestria for your comming lv3's???
Simple answer: Because I can
My inauguration date to EVE Online:
6/25/2005 8:24:57 AM UTC
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Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
8253
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Posted - 2015.08.14 21:49:31 -
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I initially read the thread title as something like: "How can I shot web?"
After reading it, I have not changed my opinion. After ten years in the game you must have at least *some* idea of how to armour tank a ship.
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CONCORD arrested two n00bs yesterday, one was drinking battery acid, the other was eating fireworks. They charged one and let the other one off.[/b]
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Hadrian Blackstone
Immortalis Fratres Vacui
Legio immortales CXCI
179
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Posted - 2015.08.14 21:49:34 -
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You want armor/hybrid weapon fits solely for PvE use? Or PvP too? |
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Paranoid Loyd
6650
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Posted - 2015.08.14 22:21:13 -
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Assuming this isn't a troll, it is totally unnecessary to use more than one slot for tank on level 2 missions when you have that much DPS.
This has 140 more DPS and will do level 2 missions much faster as most of your time will be spent in warp. This fit should also be more than sufficient for level 3s, for the more difficult Angels missions you can switch a mag stab or TE for an explosive hardener.
[Vigilant, Rails]
Medium Armor Repairer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Tracking Enhancer II
10MN Afterburner II
Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script
Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script
Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script
250mm Prototype Gauss Gun, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
250mm Prototype Gauss Gun, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
250mm Prototype Gauss Gun, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
250mm Prototype Gauss Gun, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
250mm Prototype Gauss Gun, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Medium Hyperspatial Velocity Optimizer II
Medium Hyperspatial Velocity Optimizer II
Medium Hyperspatial Velocity Optimizer II
Hammerhead II x5
"Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata
Fix the Prospect!
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Jonas Kanjus
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
19
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Posted - 2015.08.14 22:22:58 -
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Hadrian Blackstone wrote:You want armor/hybrid weapon fits solely for PvE use? Or PvP too?
Primarily for PvE. The blaster setup (with T2 webber) I'm using seems to be working good. I just need to get used to the different fighting style of gun boats versus the missile boats I mainly use. Heck, this thing should handle level 3's alright. Seeing 81% resists on therm/kin which is fine by me. Getting about 440 DPS with blasters alone. Drones add another 150 DPS. My hybrid gun skills suck atm; so, their DPS will get better with training.
For those who think using a Vigilant is overkill for lvl 2 agents, you're right. However, this just means I can burn through lvl 2 missions faster and move on.
My inauguration date to EVE Online:
6/25/2005 8:24:57 AM UTC
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Paranoid Loyd
6650
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Posted - 2015.08.14 22:28:55 -
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Using rails is preferred as flying to the target with blasters takes more time than shooting them from range with slightly less DPS.
"Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata
Fix the Prospect!
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Jonas Kanjus
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
19
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Posted - 2015.08.14 22:31:51 -
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Paranoid Loyd wrote:Assuming this isn't a troll, it is totally unnecessary to use more than one slot for tank on level 2 missions when you have that much DPS.
This has 140 more DPS and will do level 2 missions much faster as most of your time will be spent in warp. This fit should also be more than sufficient for level 3s, for the more difficult Angels missions you can switch a mag stab or TE for an explosive hardener.
[Vigilant, Rails]
Medium Armor Repairer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Tracking Enhancer II
10MN Afterburner II
Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script
Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script
Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script
250mm Prototype Gauss Gun, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
250mm Prototype Gauss Gun, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
250mm Prototype Gauss Gun, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
250mm Prototype Gauss Gun, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
250mm Prototype Gauss Gun, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Medium Hyperspatial Velocity Optimizer II
Medium Hyperspatial Velocity Optimizer II
Medium Hyperspatial Velocity Optimizer II
Hammerhead II x5
Using T2 guns will get you another 60 DPS.
You assume right, this is not a troll post. I like your outfit. I did modify it for blaster use, though, I also dropped a mag stab II for the armor resistance shifter mod. Seeing 616 DPS with guns + another 145 DPS with drones.
My inauguration date to EVE Online:
6/25/2005 8:24:57 AM UTC
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Donnachadh
United Allegiance of Undesirables
440
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Posted - 2015.08.15 04:10:23 -
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So I understand that you are looking to blitz your way through these level 2's but just bear with me a bit and read on.
[Tristan, Mission]
2x Light Neutron Blaster II (Antimatter Charge S)
2x Cap Recharger II
1MN Afterburner II
Small Armor Repairer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Small Nanobot Accelerator II
Small Auxiliary Nano Pump II
Small Auxiliary Nano Pump I
5x Hobgoblin II
[Federation Navy Comet, Mission]
2x Light Neutron Blaster II (Antimatter Charge S)
2x Cap Recharger II
1MN Afterburner II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
2x Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Small Armor Repairer II
Small Capacitor Control Circuit I
Small Nanobot Accelerator II
Small Auxiliary Nano Pump II
3x hobgoblin II
[Vexor, Mission]
4x 220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II (Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M)
2x Cap Recharger II
2x Tracking Computer II
Damage Control II
Medium Armor Repairer II
Adaptive Nano Plating II
2x Drone Damage Amplifier II
Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump II
Medium Nanobot Accelerator II
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I
5x Hobgoblin II
5x Hammerhead II
I run level 2 and many level 3 missions in these fits and have no trouble.
You have 500 dps and are worried about resists? With that dps output and running level 2's all you need is a T1 armor rep and to hell with the tank mods you should be in and out so fast that resist mods are virtually irrelevant.
However if you are more concerned with the PvP side of things while running missions then forget all that crap up there ^.
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Tiddle Jr
Galvanized Inc.
379
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Posted - 2015.08.15 11:30:59 -
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10 years it's a long period of time though ... but i've heard about new ship "Hecate" and you probably too. |
Jonas Kanjus
Side Busters
19
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Posted - 2015.08.16 02:07:16 -
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Tiddle Jr wrote:10 years it's a long period of time though ... but i've heard about new ship "Hecate" and you probably too.
Meanwhile you're asking Vigilant for lvl2 ? I do smell a certain trollizm here.
Yes, I have heard of the Hecate. Who hasn't? I am not trained to fly that ship yet. I'll get into it sometime down the road.
I didn't need help fitting for lvl 2. I just needed help in how to outfit armor tanking ships. Since most of the mid slots on shield tankers are reserved for buffing the tank, I figured the exact same thing for armor tankers for their low slots. The problem I ran into was finding a balance of DPS/WPN mods and tanking mods. Now that some others have shed a bit of light on this, I am currently running lvl 3's in the Vigilant. I swap between blasters and rails, which both provide good fun and a challenge compared to missile boats. Not saying missile boats aren't fun, they just take away the challenge of running missions.
I am not a troll. I've been so focused in one aspect of the game, I had forgotten how to do other things (ie, outfit armor tanking ships).
Thanks peeps for the tips and advice! Fly Safe o7
My inauguration date to EVE Online:
6/25/2005 8:24:57 AM UTC
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