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Montero Kemono.	Posted - 2007.01.20 21:18:00 - [31] works for anti-frig too. --------- Scrapheap Challenge
Bazman Caldari Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2007.01.20 21:27:00 - [32] Just fly a claw I used to be an avid hater of the Claw, but in practice, even with just the two midslots, its a very good fighting ceptor. You don't need a webber simply due to the 10km falloff you have on Small Auto's. I don't hate it, but i don't particularly love it either. Whoever says fly a Rifter instead of a Claw is crazy :P ----- OMG READ TUXFORD!!!1
Julian Lynq	Posted - 2007.01.20 21:34:00 - [33] could i get comment on this: (its meant for solo pvp, not gang) Originally by: Julian Lynq my idea after reading through the thread: 3x 150mm II 1x RL 1x scrambler 1x mwd 1x capacitor power relay 1x small armor repper II 2x inertia stabs the idea: - mwd used to approach and escape, or break the fighting pace - left offline during fight so that the turrrets hit. - cap power relay for the armor repper when needed. - intertia stabs so it flys quick enough without the mwd. problem: - missiles... ? any idea on this ? does this make sence ?
Ratey	Posted - 2007.01.21 04:50:00 - [34] Claw is currently the ultimate scout. I dumped the Cheetah and just use a proto cloak on the Claw. At over 7000 m/s I can buzz any battle group, while taking hits at zero damage. This is actually a better way find out max target ranges than just sitting there cloaked doing nothing but looking. And with 250mm artys and standard launcher, it has bigger teeth than the cheetah. And with rigging, the speed can be significantly increased.
Terianna Eri Amarr	Posted - 2007.01.21 06:20:00 - [35] Originally by: Julian Lynq could i get comment on this: (its meant for solo pvp, not gang) Originally by: Julian Lynq my idea after reading through the thread: 3x 150mm II 1x RL 1x scrambler 1x mwd 1x capacitor power relay 1x small armor repper II 2x inertia stabs the idea: - mwd used to approach and escape, or break the fighting pace - left offline during fight so that the turrrets hit. - cap power relay for the armor repper when needed. - intertia stabs so it flys quick enough without the mwd. problem: - missiles... ? any idea on this ? does this make sence ? istabs don't add a speed bonus, just agility, iirc the mass reduction means you'll get a significant speed bonus, but only when mwding (or using afterburners) nanofibers however increase speed and agility when not mwding (but provide less of a bonus to agility and to mwd speed) if that made any sense basically try fitting a combination of nanos and istabs and see what you like :) __________________________________ Please, please, please can we have an item DB update?
machinis fit	Posted - 2007.01.26 16:14:00 - [36] you do not use 150s you use 200s now and this is y http://www.killboard.net/?p=details&id=133092 last night i soloed a saber in my claw with no web just 200mm acs RLII and a 20km scram i f you think the claw sux ask ASCN waht thay think of BOBS claws ?? o yah that is right ASCN disbanded
Dark1 Minmatar Destructive Influence	Posted - 2007.01.26 16:17:00 - [37] oops with the rong character lol Proud member of C4 CA Rider in the dark CAV May the power of the dark CAV rule the univers fore ever
Galactic Thrasher	Posted - 2007.02.02 06:10:00 - [38] Edited by: Galactic Thrasher on 02/02/2007 06:07:23 3x150mm II 1xNOS 1xMWD 1xscrambler 2xinertial stabs 1xcap relay 1xtracking enhancer 1xspeed rig 1xinertial rig top speed 4885m/s, orbit at 2100m (keeps you close enough to use NOS) speed =3-3.5km/s
Aayan Beagle Corp	Posted - 2007.02.04 17:28:00 - [39] 3x 150 II 1x Nos 1x MWD 1x Scram 1x Repper II 1x Inertial 2x Nano Owns. -Steve - B E A G L E C O R P -
Reggie Stoneloader eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.02.17 09:15:00 - [40] Edited by: Reggie Stoneloader on 17/02/2007 09:12:01 Someone mentioned an arty setup for a Claw. I don't fly one, but I was puttering on Quickfit and would like to know whether something l ike this would work: 3x 250mm Arty MWD 20km warp jammer Gyro 3x nano/overdrive/inertial stabs to taste The inability to repair might be a deal-breaker, since it would get wtfpwned by anything with missiles, but I was thinking a setup like this could work on the same principle as a Crow, picking its fights by controling range. Would the tracking fall flat? With T1 Proton ammo rather than Tremor or Quake you get about a 13km optimal and a 10km falloff with the modest skills I assigned myself, and a .082 tracking speed. I have no way to test it, but that seems a bit slow. It would sure have trouble with drones. Also, the DPS would be kind of lame, since artillery is famously short in that category, but if the other guy can't hit you, you've got all the time in the world to wear him down. Thoughts?
F Apparition Minmatar Infinitus Odium Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.17 09:58:00 - [41] Arty: 3x 280II named mwd, 20k PDUII, CPRx2, istab Can swap out one or both of the CPR to get some more speed. Originally by: Lasus If EVE gave you oral sex every time you used it people would still complain.
Ishquar Teh'Sainte Maza Nostra RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.17 11:09:00 - [42] Edited by: Ishquar Teh''Sainte on 17/02/2007 11:15:15 Originally by: Julian Lynq could i get comment on this: (its meant for solo pvp, not gang) Originally by: Julian Lynq my idea after reading through the thread: 3x 150mm II 1x RL 1x scrambler 1x mwd 1x capacitor power relay 1x small armor repper II 2x inertia stabs the idea: - mwd used to approach and escape, or break the fighting pace - left offline during fight so that the turrrets hit. - cap power relay for the armor repper when needed. - intertia stabs so it flys quick enough without the mwd. problem: - missiles... ? any idea on this ? does this make sence ? comment? my ranis will WTFBBQPWN you the same goes for galactic thrasher's and aayan's setup. so stay away from other ceptors (crappy fitted ones excluded ... but then again - you never know what the opponent has fitted ) ___________________ -Skellibjalla- Life is a garden of perceptions. Pick your fruit.
Nidhoggur The Movement	Posted - 2007.02.17 13:26:00 - [43] Originally by: SFX Bladerunner Originally by: Phelan Lore Here's all you need for claw setups... Use a stiletto for gang and a rifter for solo. Claw sucks a big one. no. it doesnt. imo its better than a stiletto... since you have 4 lowslots you can use to fit inertial stabs... for better speed. u can make a claw go 6000m/s+ with 3 good named inertial stabs.. and even faster with a weight reduction rig Thats fast? My ares goes faster than that with one inertial stab...
Nidhoggur The Movement	Posted - 2007.02.17 13:27:00 - [44] Originally by: machinis fit you do not use 150s you use 200s now and this is y http://www.killboard.net/?p=details&id=133092 last night i soloed a saber in my claw with no web just 200mm acs RLII and a 20km scram i f you think the claw sux ask ASCN waht thay think of BOBS claws ?? o yah that is right ASCN disbanded Sorry for the double post, but I just saw this... Trust me, ASCN did not disband because of an army of ceptors.
Phish1 Liberty Forces Ratel Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.17 13:30:00 - [45] 3 x 250mm artie IIs MWD II, 20k 3 x I-stabs, nano win
Reggie Stoneloader eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.02.17 22:56:00 - [46] Originally by: Nidhoggur Originally by: SFX Bladerunner u can make a claw go 6000m/s+ ... Thats fast? My ares goes faster than that with one inertial stab... Okay, how do you go that fast? I see very fast ships around, like Crusaders pushing 7km/s and whatnot, and all the setups I've come up with on Quickfit are lucky to hit 5km/s. Are you using Gist MWD or rigs or what? Also, why use 280mm arty? 250mm arty frees up enough space for a Gyro, so it does more DPS, and since you can't target past 20km anyway, the range is lass valuable than the tracking.
Nidhoggur The Movement	Posted - 2007.02.19 16:30:00 - [47] Originally by: Reggie Stoneloader Originally by: Nidhoggur Originally by: SFX Bladerunner u can make a claw go 6000m/s+ ... Thats fast? My ares goes faster than that with one inertial stab... Okay, how do you go that fast? I see very fast ships around, like Crusaders pushing 7km/s and whatnot, and all the setups I've come up with on Quickfit are lucky to hit 5km/s. Are you using Gist MWD or rigs or what? Both.
CagedRage	Posted - 2007.03.02 16:40:00 - [48] I was thinking: x3 280mm Howitzer Artillery II (Fusion S) x1 'Arbalest' Standard Missile Launcher (Flameburst Light Missile) x1 Gistii A-Type 1MN MicroWarpdrive x1 Faint Warp Prohibitor I x3 Inertia Stabilizers II x1 Micro B88 Core Augmentation I was thinking of adding a speed rig and a weight rig on there too... That sound okay?
Tregaron Minmatar Death Monkey's With Knives Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.05 13:34:00 - [49] 2x 200 t2 2x arbi standard 1x mwd t2 1x warp dis t2 1x small armour rep t2 3x in stabs (named) atm i'm doing 6.8k m/s and warp faster than anything can warp before a gate camp know i'm there. damage wise it's ok but like any inti you get web'd you go pop. tbh claw is just there to scram and fly fast. Anything else i go crow anyday though i rather cheaper inti's than a 200mil crow setup only getting 2mil back. [/url]
easei Caldari Energy.	Posted - 2007.03.05 19:32:00 - [50] Edited by: easei on 05/03/2007 19:29:10 Originally by: Tregaron 2x 200 t2 2x arbi standard 1x mwd t2 1x warp dis t2 1x small armour rep t2 3x in stabs (named) atm i'm doing 6.8k m/s and warp faster than anything can warp before a gate camp know i'm there. damage wise it's ok but like any inti you get web'd you go pop. tbh claw is just there to scram and fly fast. Anything else i go crow anyday though i rather cheaper inti's than a 200mil crow setup only getting 2mil back. Cap stability with a 20k and mwd? I think not If you admit that your only there to scram and not do damage you might as well fly a stiletto. (midslots FTW) Use phelan lore's setup it's a very solid tackler.
David Devant	Posted - 2007.03.27 17:43:00 - [51] You people are stupid : D 3x150mm IIs, 1xarby RL MWD I, 20k scram 400mm Tungsten, MAPC, Faction Mag Plate, SAR II I love this ship soooo much, trained minnie frig V to get a sabre but this things soooo good I haven't even bothered yet. Spent 10mil on this a week ago and haven't used anything else since, mainly because it will NOT die. I love it soooo much i might even fork out for a cold gas. I'm frightened to jinx it tho.
Sexorella hotz Beasts of Burden	Posted - 2007.03.27 18:06:00 - [52] Originally by: Nicocat Originally by: Nir Claw is a dogfighter and it will wtfpwn any other Interceptor and some AFs 1v1 with a decent fitting. Except the Taranis, the Crow, and possibly one of the Amarr ones... hee, just kidding about that last one ;) And if you die to a Claw in an AF, it's indeed a sad day. Yeah, kind of like dieing in a sabre to a harpy.
MacDuncan Minmatar Unknown Society	Posted - 2007.03.27 19:18:00 - [53] Originally by: David Devant You people are stupid : D 3x150mm IIs, 1xarby RL MWD I, 20k scram 400mm Tungsten, MAPC, Faction Mag Plate, SAR II /Signed I would add a IFF/Pseudo instead of the MagPlate, downgrade to a 7.5km scram. and it gives even good GankRanis a real hard nut to *****... -- Might As well Train Another Race
David Devant	Posted - 2007.03.27 20:08:00 - [54] Point taken Dunc, this is for gang work so the 20ks a more usefull, but yeh, for solo work that owns. Someone wanna do the DC/Mag Plate calcs?
CharITam	Posted - 2007.07.16 14:50:00 - [55] the key for a claw setup is: -close setup: AC's(150 t2 are best) MUST have NOS, 7.5 scram/web, tank -range: arties, 20k scram, speed mods now... picking your target is the other issue you have to consider: -when using close setup with 7.5 scram you have to avoid crows as there is no way you can get close enough... and anything that can outrun your mwd speed -in case you have close setup with web your targets will be mostly frigs as they don't tend to warp out that often and once you brake their tank they are poped before they get into warp, you can try other targets but you will need good bumping skills -about ranged setup... i don't have any advice cause i havent used it much i much subscribe to montero's setup althou i've used something like: 3x150t2, knave/dim nos named mwd, web/7.5 scram 1xsar t2, 2x200mm rolled tungsten, mapc i had about 1500 armor pre revelations with this setup and nice dps to deal even with cruisers...
Maeltstome Minmatar Caldari Navy Raiders Praesidium Libertatis	Posted - 2007.07.16 15:13:00 - [56] Edited by: Maeltstome on 16/07/2007 15:18:16 Originally by: Phelan Lore Edited by: Phelan Lore on 21/12/2006 05:08:02 Originally by: Felix Dzerzhinsky Originally by: Inen 3 x 150mm II 1 x rocket launcher II 1 x fleeting warp scrambler 1 x afterburner II (sometimes I go into deadspace complexes) 1 x small armor repairer II 1 x micro auxillary power core 1 x 400mm rolled tungste plate 1 x capacitor power relay The claw will outperform the Rifter under any situation. The ability for the Claw to dictate range and its low sig makes it a very fine killer. You dictate your range without a web how? BTW, my rifter has more HP, more DPS, and is faster (AB II on an inty LOL) than that setup. It also has a web and can lock out to 27km. If you're gonna be in a gang you want a stiletto for the extra mids and the ability to lock out to 30k if you are getting boosted by a claymore. The claw sucks. If you disagree, you suck too. Negative - in gang i'll take a stiletto over any other ceptor, the 4th mid just makes it perfect for a cap booster/web (sitution dependant). But in solo - I'd rather fly my claw than my sader or taranis. The massive powergrid it has combined with the low PG use of ac's makes it awesome for tanking - jaegerbomb might not be what a ceptor is supposed to do, but not even a plated AC punisher will be able to bring it down before he gets shredded. And btw, if you think a rifter is better than a claw - try 200 plate on a claw, combine what with a 50% damage mode (over the rifters 25%) and you suddently have 2 ships with identical health.... but the claw with better cap, smaller sig and higher damage. And your also forgetting its quite easy to get a claw hitting 7k/s with no rigs or implants - it is a fast as hell ship, which works well with 250 light arty's. The only drawback and complaint i have about the claw is its lock range, since 18k/m is just pathetic - it makes it hard to stay in range for fights against other ceptors (if you've ever fought a standard crow, youll know what i mean) granted each volley does 500 damage with arty's, but gettting in more than one volley on another ship before they go outside of lock range usually takes 10-15 secs in which time they can escape (pilot skill depending).
Ajna Anami Gallente	Posted - 2007.07.20 17:44:00 - [57] Disclaimer: I have never actually flown a claw. I think some of you may have missed the point that the Claw is THE fastest ship in the game. It starts with the best base velocity, has low mass, and lots of low slots. Becuse of that, you can have total control over what range the fight happens at. The keep at range button is your friend.
Ultroth Veto. Academy Veto Corp	Posted - 2007.07.20 18:08:00 - [58] 3 x 150mm II 1 x Arby RL 1 x 1mn MWD II 1 x 7.5km Scram/90% Web 1 x SAR II 1 x Nano II 1 x 400mm RT Plate 1 x MAPC Or 3 x 200mm II 1 x Arby Std 1 x 1mn MWD II 1 x Fleeting Scram 2 x OD II 1 x Nano II 1 x Local Istab Both are fun to fly "This is my sig, there are none like it, thats why its mine"
Bourgeoisvio	Posted - 2007.07.29 08:49:00 - [59] Edited by: Bourgeoisvio on 29/07/2007 08:50:06 Just started flying Min interceptors and came here looking for advice. Although a good setup is nice, I'm also looking for basic battle tactics for an interceptor. I know the usual one on one PvP stuff (hit MWD, orbit fast, don't get webbed), but what about gang activity (which I mostly fly)? It seems the rules would be different there. Sure I could get close and orbit a guy at 3k/sec where his turrets couldn't track me, but what about his buddies a couple dozen km away who I'm not orbiting at max traversal? Seems like they could kill me easily with my low traversal speed (relative to them) coupled with my increased sig radius from the usual MWD. If not in this thread, can someone point me to one that could help? Right now I'm thinking this for my setup: Highs: Lowest caliber autocannons , rocket launcher or NOS Meds: MWD/Afterburner, 7.5k scrambler Lows: Unsure yet Lowest caliber autocannons for max tracking (so I can orbit the target faster and still hit). May trade the rocket launcher for a NOS depending on what else I'm running. Thinking about using an AB instead of MWD since my gang usually jumps guys near gates and combat starts out at short to medium range (might not need the MWD to close such a distance, and orbiting at autocannon range means I probably won't be able to move max MWD speed anyways). Lows? I honestly have no idea. I'm new when it comes to maxing out low slots. What would be the best for a small gang semi-suicidal frigate tackler?
Luke Lor'aul	Posted - 2007.10.08 11:07:00 - [60] So how do you get a claw over 7km/s? That many km/s sounds great for antifrig, and hell you could probably speedtank any bs's guns not even having to turn on your mwd. With MWD on, a -.9 web would put you at around 7hm/s, which is still nearly 1km/s. By my practical experience, that's fast enough to get out of web range, but you're still probably going to go pop. So is the claw antifrig or super speed tackle? And if it s speed tackle, then how do you avoid web+nos?

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