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Chrisbitz
Minmatar United Freedom Front
Electus Matari
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Posted - 2006.12.09 11:06:00 -
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I've been a medium manufacturer for a while now, rails, blasters, cruisers and BCs, but theres so much competition now...
I wanna move up a stage to something a little more exclusive?
I appreciate 1.3bill isn't actually all that much in the scheme of things, but if I could buy a BPO for 1.5bill, then I doubt as many people would have that compared to say, a BS BPO?
I've looked into capital ship components, and I just don't feel theres enough turnover for them... I'm guessing that a T2 ship BPO is still in the region of 1,000,000,000,000,000 ISk? :-)
What else could i look at? reselling T2 stuff for someone else? I have a freighter and loads of capital to buy in bulk for a good deal?
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Merrill Lynch
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Posted - 2006.12.09 11:30:00 -
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You can make quite a bit of money doing T2 reselling. I made several hundred million in a month with a few hundred million starting capital by using the ISK to control the T2 market on a few specific ships that were in low supply and high in demand in Essence. Bought some ships for 18-19m, entire market, then put them back up for 4-5m more. I watched the trading in that market before I did this, of course.
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Bigoleed
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Posted - 2006.12.10 04:23:00 -
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Being a manufacturer in EVE is tough - unless you enjoy it OR have a T2 BPO.
There are still a few gems that make money - but you will have to search them out and do a lot of distribution. Almost not worth it IMO unless you really enjoy manufacturing.
Trading in EVE is the only route to riches - again - unless you have a T2 BPO or run a corp.
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BurnHard
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Posted - 2006.12.10 12:42:00 -
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Whatever you do, don't buy a BS BPO fresh from the market, you'll have to spend 6 months researching it up to a reasonable ME and PE level, particularly if you want to sell BPC's on the market. Even then it will take a very long time to return the initial investment, let alone make a profit.
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Lilan Kahn
Amarr
ISS Navy Task Force
Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.12.11 03:17:00 -
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 Originally by: BurnHard
Whatever you do, don't buy a BS BPO fresh from the market, you'll have to spend 6 months researching it up to a reasonable ME and PE level, particularly if you want to sell BPC's on the market. Even then it will take a very long time to return the initial investment, let alone make a profit.
Assuming your operateing under normal circumstanstes
RoI on say a raven bpo for me woud be abut 2-3 weeks then again im more well placed and how a cheeper produktion etc.
A fighter bpo atm for me is a meer 10 day RoI.
Originally by: Eris Discordia
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Baun
4S Corporation
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2006.12.11 03:27:00 -
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Edited by: Baun on 11/12/2006 03:27:08
Originally by: Lilan Kahn
Assuming your operateing under normal circumstanstes
RoI on say a raven bpo for me woud be abut 2-3 weeks then again im more well placed and how a cheeper produktion etc.
A fighter bpo atm for me is a meer 10 day RoI.
Care to explain those figures?
You are saying under normal circumstances you can make your entire investment back starting with an unresearched BPO in those time frames? Thats bsically claimiing you can double your money in 10 days with a fighter BPO.
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Tami Auryn
Natural Evolution
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Posted - 2006.12.11 03:30:00 -
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He builds in the ISS Amarr Outpost ;) 30% cheaper production
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Baun
4S Corporation
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2006.12.11 06:36:00 -
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Originally by: Tami Auryn
He builds in the ISS Amarr Outpost ;) 30% cheaper production
I can't see how 30% cheaper production could let you double your money on a 200m BPO in 10 days.
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Pizi
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.12.11 14:49:00 -
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Originally by: Tami Auryn
He builds in the ISS Amarr Outpost ;) 30% cheaper production
its 30 faster not cheaper
if its cheaper you would generate minerals out of thin air with recycling
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Lilan Kahn
Amarr
ISS Navy Task Force
Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.12.11 17:21:00 -
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i have a reliabel source of low cost minerals i have a high volum market, a fighter from my me 0 bpo cost abut 10m to make, sells for abut 20, produktion is at my pos witch pays for it self, 0 isk in facktory fee's.
i can build ravens of bpcs build cost abut 75m each sell price nearby 130m need i go on ?
Originally by: Eris Discordia
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Dark Shikari
Caldari
Imperium Technologies
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2006.12.11 17:23:00 -
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Originally by: Lilan Kahn
i have a reliabel source of low cost minerals i have a high volum market, a fighter from my me 0 bpo cost abut 10m to make, sells for abut 20, produktion is at my pos witch pays for it self, 0 isk in facktory fee's.
i can build ravens of bpcs build cost abut 75m each sell price nearby 130m need i go on ?
If your minerals are so cheap, why not just resell them on the market for double price to begin with?
A raven costs roughly 103 million at current market prices with perfect ME.
If you can build one for 75m, why not just sell the damned minerals?
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Lilan Kahn
Amarr
ISS Navy Task Force
Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.12.11 17:26:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Shikari
Originally by: Lilan Kahn
i have a reliabel source of low cost minerals i have a high volum market, a fighter from my me 0 bpo cost abut 10m to make, sells for abut 20, produktion is at my pos witch pays for it self, 0 isk in facktory fee's.
i can build ravens of bpcs build cost abut 75m each sell price nearby 130m need i go on ?
If your minerals are so cheap, why not just resell them on the market for double price to begin with?
A raven costs roughly 103 million at current market prices with perfect ME.
If you can build one for 75m, why not just sell the damned minerals?
a bs is easyer to move than pure minerals.
a fighter is even more easy to move compared to minerals.
Originally by: Eris Discordia
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Pizi
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.12.11 17:43:00 -
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Edited by: Pizi on 11/12/2006 17:46:32
me thinks you need to reevaluate how to calculate your costs
its the typical i mine my minerals so they cost nothing attitude
and nowhere is a raven near 130 mil
edit :
even the new battleships did NOT give a 90% makeup after the second day so your raven bpo would be magic
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Elmar Solderi
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.12.11 17:52:00 -
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Originally by: Pizi
Edited by: Pizi on 11/12/2006 17:46:32
me thinks you need to reevaluate how to calculate your costs
its the typical i mine my minerals so they cost nothing attitude
and nowhere is a raven near 130 mil
edit :
even the new battleships did NOT give a 90% makeup after the second day so your raven bpo would be magic
LOL
no no i dont mine i buy minerals stright off my local market.
and regards to price have you hard of 0.0?
no didnt think so 
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Lilan Kahn
Amarr
ISS Navy Task Force
Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.12.11 17:52:00 -
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Originally by: Pizi
Edited by: Pizi on 11/12/2006 17:46:32
me thinks you need to reevaluate how to calculate your costs
its the typical i mine my minerals so they cost nothing attitude
and nowhere is a raven near 130 mil
edit :
even the new battleships did NOT give a 90% makeup after the second day so your raven bpo would be magic
LOL
no no i dont mine i buy minerals stright off my local market.
and regards to price have you hard of 0.0?
no didnt think so
Originally by: Eris Discordia
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Pizi
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.12.11 18:02:00 -
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all i know of 00 is that low end minerals like trit are extrimly pricy
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Psychotic Penguin
Gallente
Fouska
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Posted - 2006.12.12 01:08:00 -
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Edited by: Psychotic Penguin on 12/12/2006 01:13:52
Edited by: Psychotic Penguin on 12/12/2006 01:11:09
Originally by: Pizi
all i know of 00 is that low end minerals like trit are extrimly pricy
yea and high end ones are extremely cheep compared to empire.
example would be one of the npc 0.0 regions, maxellon goes for 4.5 isk and in a empire region it goes for 14 isk (actual prices from a few days ago)
zydrine I have seen as low as 2700 isk. and pyrite can usually be acquired at half price in low sec
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Gallente
Obliteration Unlimited
R i s e
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Posted - 2006.12.12 02:10:00 -
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Originally by: Lilan Kahn
i have a reliabel source of low cost minerals i have a high volum market, a fighter from my me 0 bpo cost abut 10m to make, sells for abut 20, produktion is at my pos witch pays for it self, 0 isk in facktory fee's.
i can build ravens of bpcs build cost abut 75m each sell price nearby 130m need i go on ?
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Trotski II
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Posted - 2006.12.12 05:02:00 -
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Edited by: Trotski II on 12/12/2006 05:04:09
Assuming your operateing under normal circumstanstes
RoI on say a raven bpo for me woud be abut 2-3 weeks then again im more well placed and how a cheeper produktion etc.
A fighter bpo atm for me is a meer 10 day RoI.
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To the OP: I would use that money to trade, starting maybe selling some tech2 mods at mission hubs and maybe buying some minerals at those mission hubs to sell in the trade hubs where the tech2 stuff is picked. Pay close atention to isogen and nocxium.
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Lord WarATron
Amarr
Vanguard Frontiers
Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.12.12 12:53:00 -
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The 0.0 market is a funny one. Some places, you can buy minerals at half empire price in units of tens of millions.
However, even in empire, putting up buy orders for minerals, you can easaly make ravens for 75mil.
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Posted - 2006.12.12 13:13:00 -
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Shadarle
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Posted - 2006.12.13 16:40:00 -
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"However, even in empire, putting up buy orders for minerals, you can easaly make ravens for 75mil."
Sure, if you wait for those extremely low orders to be filled... you may make 1 raven every day or two or three. Not the same as churning out ravens non stop.
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