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Viqer Fell
Minmatar Trinity Nova
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Posted - 2006.12.09 14:38:00 -
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Edited by: Viqer Fell on 09/12/2006 14:45:13 Edited by: Viqer Fell on 09/12/2006 14:42:26
Trinity Nova Mercenary Services are proud to announce the succesful completion of their most recent contract vs Namtz'aar K'in Alliance.
The contract against NMTZ represents TNT's third large alliance contract and again TNT mercenaries have demonstrated their ability to work effectively against superior numbers inflicting substantial damages against our contracted target.
The statistics for the contract are, as always publicly available at our killboard which can be found here.
Operation Prerogative Campaign
Whilst we are not at liberty to reveal the ultimate goal of the contract, one element of success is certainly measured by the amount of destroyed shipping and capsules achieved over the term of the campaign.
During a four week campaign NMTZ pilots lost:
11 Assault Ships, 17 Battlecruiser, 16 Battleships, 2 Command Ships, 1 Covert Ops, 27 Cruisers, 3 Heavy Assault Ships, 21 Industrials, 1 Mining Barge , 3 Recon Ships, 3 Stealth Bombers, multiple frigate sized classes and finally 115 capsules.
Total kills numbered over 305 and total losses numbered 57 and this gives a final kill ratio of 5.333 : 1. Given the alliance had access to member numbers well over 20 times that of TNT we believe that this performance is reflective of our pilots abilities and warrants the respect that we are receiving from not only our professional mercenary counterparts but from our clients and our targets as well.
At the start of the contract NMTZ numbered well over 600. By the end of our contract the alliance numbered under 485. The main reason for the fall in numbers was the loss of Red dwarves form the alliance. Whilst we certainly cannot claim that we forced Smeggy's Red dwarf Mining Corps to leave NMTZ we are reliably information confirming that their reasons for leaving were influenced the alliances response to our war and NMTZ pilots' activities.
During the last week of our contract the war was marred by numerous systems failures and sadly as can be seen from our killboard our performances during the last few days were impacted by these systems failures. These issues followed the introduction of new shipping types and equipment prior to ship and navigational software upgrades that await release. It was very disappointing that several NMTZ pilots failed to provide us with the copies of Concord registered records of kills however we are confident that despite these occasional discrepancies on behalf of NMTZ pilots and their refusal to co-operate ,our killboard remains over 99% accurate. It should be noted that the vast majority of NMTZ pilots honoured requests for the Concord mails and we thank them for this professional attitude.
Following the succesful conclusion of our work Trinity Nova would like to reassure NMTZ pilots that they will no longer be engaged in Empire controlled space as per the conventions of the Yulai Accord.
Trinity Nova are now availble for hire and would welcome discussions with any intrested party. Please join us in our public channel TrinityNova or speak to Viqer Fell, Tyto or Tecor directly.
Any pilots wishing to join Trinity Nova and become mercenarys should register on our forums and speak to Ffaide.
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Yarek Balear
The Initiative
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Posted - 2006.12.09 14:49:00 -
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Suggest moving to corporation, alliance & organisations as this doesn't really have anything to do with Crime & Punishment...
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Viqer Fell
Minmatar Trinity Nova
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Posted - 2006.12.09 14:57:00 -
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I think you'll find that it is directly related to "punishment". After all most of our contracts have been about one person punishing another.
And I would also ask if that's the case why the mercenary thread is stickied above this news post if that's the case.

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Karum Korinth
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Posted - 2006.12.09 16:04:00 -
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If I were you, I would not use the war against NMTZ as any sort of advertisement for your services.
Instead of bringing up "system failures", which has a tendency to affect both sides of any conflict, you could simply announce that you are very efficient when it comes to harassing and killing civilians.
Your statistics are weak at best. Any pure-combat (including mercenary) corp will cause disproportionate damage against an opponent with an industrial/civilian component. However, against our military forces you have suffered considerable losses.
To future potential customers of TNT, I suggest looking for more competent contractors.
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Dr Slice
Beer and Kebabs Pirate Coalition
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Posted - 2006.12.09 16:11:00 -
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Originally by: Karum Korinth If I were you, I would not use the war against NMTZ as any sort of advertisement for your services.
Instead of bringing up "system failures", which has a tendency to affect both sides of any conflict, you could simply announce that you are very efficient when it comes to harassing and killing civilians.
Your statistics are weak at best. Any pure-combat (including mercenary) corp will cause disproportionate damage against an opponent with an industrial/civilian component. However, against our military forces you have suffered considerable losses.
To future potential customers of TNT, I suggest looking for more competent contractors.
11 Assault Ships 17 Battlecruiser 16 Battleships 2 Command Ships 1 Covert Ops 27 Cruisers 3 Heavy Assault Ships 3 Recon Ships 3 Stealth Bombers
I don't know. The above ships killed hardly seem "Industrialized/Civilian" to me 
Appears they did a good job. Keep in mind there are many different reasons and objectives that can be obtained through hiring a Merc Corp. Its not always about kill ratio.
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Karum Korinth
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Posted - 2006.12.09 16:26:00 -
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Sure. Although if you do the math, it would suggest most of our members travel in pods just for the hell of it.
In any case, I wouldn't trust any merc corp dismissing their losses with reference to system failures.
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Biggus Tankus
Minmatar Trinity Nova
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Posted - 2006.12.09 16:31:00 -
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Edited by: Biggus Tankus on 09/12/2006 16:31:26 Of course if you do the maths you'll notice without counting the pod losses we actually killed 189 pilots. You'll notice we didn't post shuttle and rookie kills on this thread. You can verify this by looking at our public killboard. 
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Karum Korinth
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Posted - 2006.12.09 16:37:00 -
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Edited by: Karum Korinth on 09/12/2006 16:37:40 I was referring to Dr Slice's version of math.
Nice fights though, Biggus 
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Alkeena
Gallente Gradient Namtz'aar k'in
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Posted - 2006.12.09 16:50:00 -
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While we're talking K:D statistics, I managed an 11:1 K:D ratio against your corp during the span of your contract, including at least one loss mail (a Lachesis) that you failed to post--several of which were 1v1 or even many vs me. And lets not even get started on teh isk value or losses per capita; thanks for the Domi tackling gear and other faction goodies, I made a profit of over 300 mil from you boys. I think you'll find similar numbers for our other combat oriented pilots. Good job, you can gank miners and mission runners--Civilians as stated above.
Hire TNT if you want a corp that can gank people that dont fight and cloaks and scurries away at the slightest sign of opposition (even if it's just a single cruiser vs a 3 man AF gang). TBH we stopped worrying about you after the first week of the contract, after we realized that you had no significant affect on our operations whatsoever. The few times you were hunted was just to relieve some occassional boredom.
~Alkeena
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Axen Vormar
Minmatar Encina Technologies Namtz'aar k'in
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Posted - 2006.12.09 17:14:00 -
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Edited by: Axen Vormar on 09/12/2006 17:16:41 Edited by: Axen Vormar on 09/12/2006 17:15:42 It was good to learn something new as a pilot. And it was very interesting to learn the very truth about TNT and how they define themselves and their business.
The statistics speak for themselves, but I know what I have seen and you really can't blame any other than yourselves for the loss of material in the last days of the contract. I wish I would have been able to record some of the battles.
See you again, Trinity Nova.
PS: Sorry for not giving you the "lost" killmails, but I am known for my lazyness in that regard. __________________
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Viqer Fell
Minmatar Trinity Nova
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Posted - 2006.12.09 17:43:00 -
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Edited by: Viqer Fell on 09/12/2006 17:50:55 Firstly Alkeena i would like to thank you for highlighting the missing killmail. We have identified the pilot involved and whilst he did post the pod loss without speaking to him i am unable to advise why the Lachesis loss wasn't posted which will be dealt with internally. I apologise though for this oversight on our pilots part. We do pride ourselves on the accuracy of our board and it is rare to have people point out omsissions. That said I do welcome people letting us know so we can correct those omissions. Can i ask that you please forward a copy of the mail to myself in game and I will ensure that it is posted up immediately.
Our client was happy with the contract results and theirs is the only opinion that really counts in terms of how suitable we are to employ rather than unbiased comments from the people we spent the last month killing. As for our use of guerilla tactics and indeed cloaks, I do not see how that is really that relevant. Cloaks help a force move quietly and undetected and also adds a psychological factor to any engagement. I had no issue with NMTZ fielding its Recon's, Coverts and SB's so I fail to see the point. Perhaps we should send out surveys next time asking our opponents what weapons they want us to field? 
To clarify my comments on the patch, tbh I believe both sides were impacted by it. I was not making excuses for our losses just acknowledging that we both lost ships to things like ctd's and primarily to lag. There were many instances in the last week where pilots were in warp prior to even being locked and yet still ended up being scrambled. I never tried to imply that this effected only TNT.
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Elsebeth Rhiannon
Minmatar Gradient Namtz'aar k'in
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Posted - 2006.12.09 17:55:00 -
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Edited by: Elsebeth Rhiannon on 09/12/2006 17:56:45 Edited by: Elsebeth Rhiannon on 09/12/2006 17:55:01 (Some moderator please move this out of "Crime and punishment", this was not a bounty contract of any kind.)
I don't want to sound flamewarish, but now that the war is over, I have to point out something.
Namely, when someone hires mercenaries, they typically hire them to accomplish some goal, to have some effect on the target. Numbers are just numbers - you could state those same figures us having lost just 0.75 ships per pilot and TNT having lost several - and that would mean equally less than the figures they state. Yes, TNT know their trade, definitely, and they performed extremely well in a guerrilla type of disadvantage in numbers, but the main question in judging a mercenary force's efficiency in a contract is this: did they have an effect on the target, were they able to force the target to change its operations?
The answer to this in the case of this war seems to me to be a clear negative, unless the contractor had some really bizarre or extremely badly defined goals in mind. Yes, we lost some ships, but by no means nothing an alliance of our size could not afford to easily replace. And no, we did not all fivehundred or so of us go too much out of our way to hunt down TNT - but then again, they they mostly chose to keep the fights in areas that had little over-all strategic significance to most of our member corps. Why should we do their job of interrupting our operations for them?
The interesting question to me is why did this war last so long. TNT was from the start mostly just hunting for fun (which I must admit they do well, with obvious capability in working in a situation where they have a gross number disadvantage), but accomplishing nothing that had any actual effect on NMTZ's operations. I am sure the war was fun and educational for them, as it was for us, but I fail to figure out what in EVE can have been the motivation of the guy who supposedly paid them for it? Was the customer given clear updates on the effect TNT had, or was he deceived by a nifty figures?
(As to the Dwarves, it has been stated elsewhere the causes that lead to them leaving had to do with internal disagreements over certain policies. Those policies might have partly concerned this war too, however, the war with TNT was not the cause of the disagreements.)
Well fought, anyway, on both sides.
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Tyto
Minmatar Trinity Nova
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Posted - 2006.12.09 18:24:00 -
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Elsebeth, you surely know that we cannot explain in great detail the clauses of our contract, but I am disappointed in your own inability to join together the dots of a picture you yourself have painted. I can only assume it is done as a reflex action to try to 'hurt' us commercially after the end of the contract.
Allow me to point out two extracts from your own posts.
Quote: when someone hires mercenaries, they typically hire them to accomplish some goal, to have some effect on the target.
Quote: By taking a contract against us, you are helping our enemies... You are always helping someone's goals and hurting someone else's
and from Meklon -
Quote: Now, by turning Trinity Nova's contract sight onto those from Namtz'aar k'in they have removed not one, but two groups from the fight to stabilize Molden Heath
Now, I hope you will forgive my trimming of your words in my quotation, I merely do so for the sake of brevity. You see, you had the answer all along, and could it be that we did actually achieve our goal? The satisfied client and healthy corp wallet would suggest so. Remember, you don't know what the goal was!
Regarding your other points. The Lachesis kill (as far as we can tell) never generated a killmail, the pilot involved had posted his pod loss indicating no attempt to 'hide' the loss.
Finally regarding the Red Dwarf's departure. Again I'll use your words to avoid claims that I am storytelling.
Quote: SMEGH leaving the alliance was because of internal diagreements about policies having nothing to do with this war.
Quote: Those policies might have partly concerned this war too, however, the war with TNT was not the cause of the disagreements.
It can be difficult to tell truth from fiction, but Trinity Nova have made every effort to make our performance as transparent as possible. The quotes above suggest to me that NMTZ are spin-doctoring.
It has been a profitable four weeks for TNT, and as Viqer said, we are now open to negotiations for our next contract.
Tyto
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Tyto
Minmatar Trinity Nova
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Posted - 2006.12.09 18:34:00 -
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Edited by: Tyto on 09/12/2006 18:34:31
Originally by: The Client I can't be more satisfied with a merc corp then i am about you guys and i will defo recommend you guys wherever whenever i can. When i have another task like this i will defo contact you guys first..
The name is protected of course, but this mail was received on the final payment of our fees, just after the leaving of SMEGH.
As far as we are concerned, this makes our contract a success.
Tyto
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Karum's alt
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Posted - 2006.12.09 18:48:00 -
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Edited by: Karum''s alt on 09/12/2006 18:52:34 Removed by myself, accidental post
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Karum Korinth
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Posted - 2006.12.09 18:52:00 -
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Quote: Originally by: The ClientI can't be more satisfied with a merc corp then i am about you guys and i will defo recommend you guys wherever whenever i can. When i have another task like this i will defo contact you guys first..
Quoting anonymous and unverifiable sources will doubtlessly make you appear even more professional in the eyes of future clients.
But hey, maybe you'll catch one of those one-in-a-million suckers who actually respond to spam.
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Viqer Fell
Minmatar Trinity Nova
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Posted - 2006.12.09 19:19:00 -
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Seriously though of course we're not going to tell you who the client was and yes I recognise that many people might take that with a pinch of salt as space is full of liars.
I am quite proud that I know many of the people I have flown with throughout my three and a half years as a pilot will attest to my honesty irrespective of whether we got on or not and whether we were on different sides of the battlefield.
But if posting snidey little comments makes you feel better, knock yourself out champ. 
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Elsebeth Rhiannon
Minmatar Gradient Namtz'aar k'in
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Posted - 2006.12.09 22:05:00 -
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Edited by: Elsebeth Rhiannon on 09/12/2006 22:08:18
Quote: Now, I hope you will forgive my trimming of your words in my quotation, I merely do so for the sake of brevity. You see, you had the answer all along, and could it be that we did actually achieve our goal? The satisfied client and healthy corp wallet would suggest so. Remember, you don't know what the goal was!
*shrug* If your client was happy, I suppose that is what matters for you. For myself, I find it really hard to imagine a goal worth paying anything to anyone that would have been achieved by this war. Unlike you state, and some feared, no one was removed from anywhere, not MH, not our other areas of operation, and we had zero need to stop any regular work during this conflict.
I do not say this to put you down, you fought well and cleverly and with a mercenary's honor, but the fact is this war did not make much of a difference in any direction for us. If your contractor only wanted to see some killmails, fine, you did manage that - but if he really wanted to change NMTZ's operations or goals somehow, I fail to see how you can call this a success.
Quote: Regarding your other points. The Lachesis kill (as far as we can tell) never generated a killmail, the pilot involved had posted his pod loss indicating no attempt to 'hide' the loss.
I have made no point about any Lachesis kill. If one was missing from the counts, I could really care less personally: I do not count points in wars anyway, I know that no system of gathering killmails is ever 100 percent certain, and I have zero reason to believe either side would knowingly lie in discussing this war.
Other than that, I don't think I have anything to add for myself, and I doubt there is much anyone else can add either; you have been paid to hold your silence, so new facts are unlikely to come to public.
Good luck on the path you have chosen, and remember it's never too late to come back home.
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Tyto
Minmatar Trinity Nova
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Posted - 2006.12.09 23:22:00 -
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Neither the Republic, Gradient or NMTZ were ever my home.
Trinity Nova is more than home - it's family.
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SatanicVersus
Minmatar S.T.A.R.S.
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Posted - 2006.12.10 02:40:00 -
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Edited by: SatanicVersus on 10/12/2006 02:41:48
Originally by: Viqer Fell Edited by: Viqer Fell on 09/12/2006 15:50:17
At the start of the contract NMTZ numbered well over 600. By the end of our contract the alliance numbered under 485. The main reason for the fall in numbers was the loss of Red dwarves form the alliance. Whilst we certainly cannot claim that we forced Smeggy's Red dwarf Mining Corps to leave NMTZ we are reliably informed that their reasons for leaving were influenced the alliances response to our war and NMTZ pilots' activities.
You are partly right, but to be more accurate, the contract issued by TNT was merely the final nail in the coffin. The reason for the Red Dwarf Mining Corp to leave NMTZ alliance was, for the most part, due to a disagreement about a certain internal issue (i shall not elaborate on this as it is irrelevant).
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smeggy
Minmatar Red Dwarf Mining Corps
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Posted - 2006.12.10 03:09:00 -
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Edited by: smeggy on 10/12/2006 03:13:53 I will however reply to this
fell and tankus man u guys are funny as hell.
If you have convinced your client who it seems wanted the dwarfs out of namt alliance then thats fine. However if you knew the circustances your client could have waited and not have wasted his money or your bragging about the wrong outcome.
Wanting the dwarfs out of the alliance is fine yes we have caused many deaths of alliance enemies so I guess thats a cause of concern for some especially when the thoughts of taking over a new area of 0.0 is concerned. Take out your most feared enemy from the equation and you will have an easier ride when you try to complete your goals. So yes maybe your client was happy but it certainly wasnt anything to do with you guys. My kill ratio was 14 kills on you guys to 3 kills on me I consider that poor from your point of view. Especailly with the fact that killing you guys has given me many new faction and officer mods including a dread guristas cloaker (dissperpointed in its stats gms please make this mod better). So we certainly didnt leave the alliance because of your ability to cloak everytime we jumped into a system you were in.
The dwarfs as else says left namt due to a number of conflicting issues with their rules and regs. The dwarfs have never and will never be major role players and that has always been a problem with my corp and alliance with us. It is always going to bring in conflicts of game play. We left the alliance when I was upset with a situation that I felt ment we couldnt stay within the alliance. When we left futher had posted that if you felt that you were deprived of a target we would be happy for you to war dec us however that never happened. Maybe thats because you kept hiding in your stations and cloaked ships when we turned up. I dont know dont care really. We offered you a chance to war dec us but you didnt accept.
I wouldnt go about beating your chests you made a corp leave an alliance as that isnt the case. As for being effective a lot of shipping loses were civilian shipping missioners. Cloaking up and picking on these newer alliance pilots and then bragging your attacking their military well thats for you to deside. If I was going to be hiring a merc corp you wouldnt be on the list. Your good at terrorising so im not going to take that away from you.
So for anyone else who wants to know (contract placer) yes we left namt no it wasnt from your isk spent on these terrorists and traitors. But if you think it makes your life easier then think again. Just because we are out of the alliance doesnt stop us working with them most times of the day. That hasnt stopped and never will.
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BlackPrince
Amarr Trinity Nova
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Posted - 2006.12.10 07:58:00 -
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Edited by: BlackPrince on 10/12/2006 07:59:10 Edited by: BlackPrince on 10/12/2006 07:58:55 . -=BlackPrince=- "Fair fights are for suckers."
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Sokratesz
Guardians of Hell's Gate Tactical Narcotics Team
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Posted - 2006.12.10 11:18:00 -
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Edited by: Sokratesz on 10/12/2006 11:24:01
Originally by: Viqer Fell we believe that this performance is reflective of our pilots abilities and warrants the respect that we are receiving from not only our professional mercenary counterparts but from our clients and our targets as well.
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feiht'd'ero
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Posted - 2006.12.10 13:18:00 -
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Originally by: smeggy We offered you a chance to war dec us but you didnt accept.
What ? you wanted to hire them to war dec you ? or was it one of the training packages they offer?
From what i have read TNT done a job and done it well and if i need to HIRE mercs i would have them in my wish list.
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The Knight
Gallente The Crucible Namtz'aar k'in
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Posted - 2006.12.10 17:55:00 -
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Originally by: smeggy So for anyone else who wants to know (contract placer) yes we left namt no it wasnt from your isk spent on these terrorists and traitors. But if you think it makes your life easier then think again. Just because we are out of the alliance doesnt stop us working with them most times of the day. That hasnt stopped and never will.
This is very true.
Two days after the Dwarves left NMTZ, Smeggy joined me in a gang and we fought together.
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Axen Vormar
Minmatar Encina Technologies Namtz'aar k'in
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Posted - 2006.12.11 02:33:00 -
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I just wanted to mention that you shouldn't say "NMTZ is spin doctoring". There is no official response, but the personal points of view on a hot topic.
I view this contract on us as a success also. I for one caused you far more losses than you could inflict on me, or the wings I were part of. Your tactics are good, still. May you improve them.
Its just business anyway. Maybe I'll meet you again in a good fight, you freedom fighters of the first hour. __________________
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DaMiGe
Amarr Infinitus Odium
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Posted - 2006.12.11 08:36:00 -
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Namtz without a war again? OMG *checks his agenda... aaah not yet..... maybe later 
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DimiTrip
Gallente 0NE
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Posted - 2006.12.11 10:02:00 -
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Gratz TNT. But on the personal note - Dear BT. U used to be a part of our gangs. Turning ur guns against ur "former" friends does not spell loyality. For that fact alone i will never trust u or ur corp. I do believe that being a member pf the community in sertein area would make u know places and ppl in that area. So as weaknesses. U used that against those ppl who were fighting shoulder to shoulder with u. Actually i do remember promoting u - wich was a mistake apparently.
Mabe u did earn ISK. mabe u earn corpaction. But my respect u lost. (for what it means)
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Al Haquis
Minmatar Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.12.11 11:57:00 -
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Originally by: DimiTrip Gratz TNT. But on the personal note - Dear BT. U used to be a part of our gangs. Turning ur guns against ur "former" friends does not spell loyality. For that fact alone i will never trust u or ur corp. I do believe that being a member pf the community in sertein area would make u know places and ppl in that area. So as weaknesses. U used that against those ppl who were fighting shoulder to shoulder with u. Actually i do remember promoting u - wich was a mistake apparently.
Mabe u did earn ISK. mabe u earn corpaction. But my respect u lost. (for what it means)
Fly safe
I would think having flown with TNT members in the past would give you an advantage to fight back and give you insight into what kind of tactics TNT would use against you. And the Main fact that most of the TNT guys are girlyboys and are easy to kill so that should at least have got you some kills 
Now If i had any Isk i would hire TNT on the spot becouse i know how they operate and they can be a total pain in the ass if your not at the top of your game.
With Love to the Old Crew From Al Haquis
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Viqer Fell
Minmatar Trinity Nova
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Posted - 2006.12.11 15:22:00 -
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Edited by: Viqer Fell on 11/12/2006 15:25:24
Originally by: Al Haquis
Now If i had any Isk i would hire TNT on the spot becouse i know how they operate and they can be a total pain in the ass if your not at the top of your game.
With Love to the Old Crew From Al Haquis
Thank you for your kind words Al. Hope you are well and congratulations on the tournament win.
As for DimiTrip's comments he was not involved in the war being a member of ONE (I'm not able to log in right now so relying on the Corp Ticker in his post so i apologise if this is incorrect) so I think he was just lamenting the fact that as mercenaries we respect the paying client more than ancient vague friendships.
When you talk about not trusting us though Dimi I fail to see the relevance to the topic. We have never broken an agreement with a client, we do not breach the trust or confidences given us. In our business dealings we are more than honest and TNT expects its pilots to maintain that conduct in their personal dealings when off contract. TNT has had no dealings with you on a business level and as far as I am aware on a personal basis either beyond that one or two of our pilots once flew with you some time ago. So if you are suggesting that you wouldn't trust us on a contract well thats a personal choice but you have zero basis for thinking that we cannot be trusted. It seems to me that you are saying you wouldn't hire us because we might one day be employed against you and you would see that as a betrayal. Let me make this easy for you. We are no-ones friends. We are businessmen and we would work as hard for you as we would for anybody else but yes there is nothing that would mean that we would not take a contract against you in the future. If that's your issue then I fail to see how you would be happy trusting any mercenary force as few would allow permanent exclusion clauses post-contract
Originally by: Al Haquis
And the Main fact that most of the TNT guys are girlyboys and are easy to kill so that should at least have got you some kills 
Al, I'm not too sure about the girlyboy quote but yes as you'll see from their posts NMTZ did manage some impressive Kill Ratios. Smeggy himself rushed to mention how pleased he was with his 14 : 3 ratio and Alkeena her 11:1. I'm afraid I can't quite compete with their killing sprees and only managed an ineffective and entirely non-disruptive 79 : 2 myself in non-strategically important space against Industrialists and New pilots.

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