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voidvim Minmatar Genco Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2006.12.09 17:57:00 - [1] Salvaging & Rigging guide and Q&A- Ver 2.2 Riggs act like implants for your ships and are harvested from wrecks if you repackage a ship the Riggs are destroyed. All rigging modules have a calibration (calibration is like grid) which limits what Riggs can be fitted. Riggs come in T1 and T2 versions and are built from blueprints. The T1 blue prints version can be brought on the market. But I think the T2 most be invent from T1. A salvaging Module gathers salvaged materials form wrecks of ships. There are Riggs that help you collect salvaged materials. Thus a ship rigged to be good at salvaging would be a good idea. It seems salvaged materials come in two types damaged and undamaged comes from T2 ships and is need by T2 rig blueprints while T1 uses damaged materials. T1 parts from T1 ships (NPC will be the main source of wrecks) T2 parts from T2 ships (PvP will be the main source of wrecks) then there are basic two sub groups: Circuits & Non-circuits Circuits drop all over eve. Non-circuits are race/faction specific. T2 ships have 2 slots and T1 ships have 3 slots. Salvaging skill needs survey and mechanics at level 3. Which allows the use of salvaging module on wrecks. The higher the skill level of salving the better the chance of get materials from wrecks (5% per level) if there are material on the wreck. You need level 3 in salvaging to salvage T2 pod pilot and pirate faction ships. The salvaging module fits in a high slot and requires 1 grid and 20 cpu, with a range of 5 km (tractor beaming wrecks to you might be a good idea). You can fit (and use) multiple modules on the same wreck. Wrecks have to be "empty" of loot. they don't work on it if there's that civilian shield booster in there, so grab that phat loot first. Once you pull it to within 5k, you can activate the module. There are four things that can happen 1 - failing to find any thing (keeps trying) 2 - find out that their no slaved material to be found (wreck disappears) 3 – getting 1 or 2 salvaged materials (wreck disappears) 4 - anther salvaging module as all ready done 2 or 3 (de actives) Wrecks drop rate depends on if it's from a mission (50%) or asteroid belt (75%) - asteroid belt NPC pirate ships have a better drop rate To fit rigs into ships you need the jury rigging which needs engineering at level 3 and there are sub skills that need jury rigging and engineering at level 3. Each level of the sub skills reduce the drawback cost by 10% (worth getting to level 5). Intelligence and memory are the attributes the skills use all sub skills are rank 3 besides jury rigging which is rank 2. List of rigging sub skills and their drawbacks Armour - reduce speed – 9 different rigs Astronautic - lowers ship armour – 9 different rigs Drones – decreases ship CPU - 9 different rigs Electronics - some rigs don't have a drawback – 5 different rigs – uses jurry rigging only Electronic superiority – lowers ships shields - 8 different rigs Energy Grid - some rigs don't have a drawback - 5 different rigs – uses jurry rigging only Energy weapons – increase weapon grid need - 7 different rigs Hybrid - increase weapon grid need - 7 different rigs Missiles launchers - increase missiles cpu need - 6 different rigs Projectile weapons - increase weapon grid need - 5 different rigs Shields - increases a ships signature radius - 9 different rigs
voidvim Minmatar Genco Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2006.12.09 17:58:00 - [2] Edited by: voidvim on 09/12/2006 17:59:26 Questions & Answers Wrecks Q: Can wrecks can be tractor beamed. A: yes Q: How do I get salveged materials. A: With a salvager module – takes one high slot - 20 cpu 1 grid, active it on a wreck with nothing in it with in 5km. Q: do all wrecks contain all salvageable materials ? A: nope Q: how much space do salvaged materials take A: 1m3 Q: how many salvaged materials do I get per wreck. A: mostly one, but you can get two rarely Q: how many materials on average will I need make one rig. A: between 100 to 260 per rig BPO. Q: Is the amount of salvageable material needed linked to the calibration needed A: I does seem that that more calibration a rig requires the more salvageable materials to uses. Q: Can I salvage from newbie ships. A: Yes – you just get scrap metal – 10 trit. Q: Does my salvaging skill increase the chance a wreck could have salvageable materials in it. A: No – it does not seem to matter what your skill level is – you can salvage stuff with level 1. Q: So what's the point in training past level 1 A: Less time wasted on failed trys – using more then one salvager also lowers time. Q: do all wreck have the same difficulty to salvage from. A: nope T2 ship wrecks are more difficult to salvage from and your get a lot more failed attempts. Q: Do different types of NPCs pirates drop different types of salvageable materials. A: Yes – they drop 7 to 8 different materials 4 circuits (small amount) and 3 to 4 other materials (in bulk) Also pod pilot ships currently produce salvage. It seems Structures don't, rogue drones don't, Empire navies don't, Mordus legion don't. Complex Boss's don't, named rats don't. Q: Do NPCs pirates drop salvageable materials to build rigs that are the same as the loot they mainly drop. A: It seems from what info I have gather that NPC drop: Serpentis – hybrid, Electronics, Electronic superiority Angel – projectile, Astronautic, shields, drones Guristas - shield, missile Sasha - armour, energy weapon Blood - energy grid, electronic ?? Rogue drones – drones ?? Serpentis - Contaminated Lorentz Fluid(T1 hybrid rigs), Malfunctioning shield emitors (T1 shield rigs), Broken Drone Transceiver(T1 all drone rigs), Contaminated lorentz fluid(T1),conductive polymer(T1 electronic rigs). Sansha - Armour Plates(not T1 armour rigs ?), Defective Current Pump(T1 energy weapons rigs), Contaminated Nanite Compound (T1 armour rigs). Blood - melted capacity console (one T1 energy grid rig), tangled power conduit(most T1 energy grid rigs) common, Defective Current Pump(T1 energy weapons rigs), Contaminated Nanite Compound (T1 armour rigs). Guristers – ward consoles (T1 shield rigs), scorched telemetry process(T1 missiles rigs), Malfunctioning shield emitors (T1 shield rigs) Angel – alloyed tritanium bar(T1 Astronautic rigs), Smashed trigger unit(T1 projectile rigs), thruster console(T1 Astronautic rigs), ?? Rogue drones - Broken Drone Transceiver(T1 all drone rigs) ?? Player ships Artificial Neural Network(T1 Electronic superiority, Electronics rigs) Q: Is their any difference between drops from the same NPC pirate faction in asteroid belts, complexes or missions. A: seems a NPC pirate faction drops the same materials. Q: Do npc pirate faction drop all four damaged circuits. A: Yes - all npc pirates drop all circuits (in small amounts) - Buried Logic Circuit, Charred Micro Circuit, Fried Interface Circuit, Tripped Power Circuit. Q: does the system security states effect drop rate of salvageable materials. A: Yes (or so it seems) – low security system have better drop rates Q: What is calibration ? A: It's like the power grid for rigs.
voidvim Minmatar Genco Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2006.12.09 17:58:00 - [3] Edited by: voidvim on 09/12/2006 18:03:08 Questions & Answers Riggs Q: Can you use more then one of the same type of rig on a ship ? A: Yes – has many of the same rig as you have calibration point for. Q: Can you increase the amount of calibration a ship has? A: No. Q: Do all ships get the same about of rig slots ? A: Most T1 get three all T2 get two – shuttles and freighters get none Q: Is the amount of calibration ship class based or race (could Minmatar get more calibration) A: No – all races get the same about of calibration. Q: How much calibration do ships have ? A: all ships have 400 calibration, faction ships get less than 400 calibration. Q: Do rigs get stacking penalties and or bonus's A: Yes – the cargo T1 expander rig for example acts just like having a 10% cargo expander fitted Q: Do rigs get compound bonus's A: Yes – using three T1 10% cargo expander rig will give more then 30% to total cargo hold size. Q: How do compound bonus work ? A: The first rig / module adds it's bonus which makes a new 100% then the second bonus is applied and so on. Example – a ship's cargo hold starts at 100m3 and a 15% T1 rig is added, giving the ship 115m3 cargo. Then a 20% cargo expander module is added which gives 20% of 110 which is 23, bring the new total of 133m3. If a second T1 15% rig is added (bringing the total bonus to 3) it would bring the total to 152.95m3. Q: How does compound penalties work then A: The first rig / module adds it's penalty which makes a new 100%, then the second penalty is applied and so on. Example - a ship's speed starts at 200m/s and a % T1 rig is added (at max rigging skill), giving the ship a 5% speed penalty make ship max speed 190m/s. Then a 20% cargo expander module is added which gives a 10% penalty which bring the new speed to 171m/s. If a second T1 rig is added (bringing the total penalties to 3) it would bring the total to 162.45m/s. Q: When you use more then one of the same rig do they get the extra stacking penalties ? A: resistance no – weapons yes- A resistance rig only gets the halving penalty but not the stacking penalty, unlike modules. Q: What's the resistance halving formula A: Fitting one 50% em shield hardener modules to a t1 ship say a Rifter, would give you 50% em resistance. The second 50% em resistance hardener added would give half the current value, so giving 25% bring the resistance to 75% in total – thus it is impossible to ever get 100% resistances. Q: So what the stacking penalty A: Some modules when more then one module which effect the same aspect of a ship is fit Q: Do I have to rig my ship my self A: No a professional rigger could do it for you Q: Can rigs be turn on and off once installed A: No – they have to be removed by repackaging the ship their in Q: How bad is the drawback for fitting say a hybrid turret damage rig A: At hybrid rigging skill level 5, a T1 turret rig needs 5% more grid – thus a 425 hybrid will go from 2500 to 2625 per turret Q: And with three hybrid turret damage rigs how much gird will each turret need A: A 425 hybrid will go from 2500 to 2894.0625 – but with a 1.1% damage bonus Q: does advanced weapon upgrade help with rig A: yes – at level five it will reduce a hybrid 425 grid need by 10% - from 2894 to 2604 Q: Does trade or some else rigging and insured ship A: Nope - Insurance is never voided unless LOST outside of the parameters of its insurance (individual or corp) or repackaged before it expires.undefined
voidvim Minmatar Genco Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2006.12.09 17:59:00 - [4] Edited by: voidvim on 09/12/2006 18:16:14 Rigging economic viability The factors that effect the economic viability of rigging are: 1 - salvageable materials drop rate (seems one per wreck – rarely two) 2 – percentage of wrecks that have salvageable materials (I get one about 75% of the time) 3 – time taken to salvage 4 – how many people will train the salvage skill ( requirement lowered to 3 from 5 ) 5 – what is the ratio of material drop compared to what rig bpo need 6 - how many materials a rig bpo needs. 7 – what price the market settles on for salvaged materials 8 – what people are will to pay for rigs. 9 – will people let other people rig their ships 10 – when CCP plan rigging, how commonly used did they want them to be
voidvim Minmatar Genco Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2006.12.09 18:01:00 - [5] All comments and suggestions are welcome – this guide is not total finished so please feel free to add more info.
xh'duality Caldari Caldari Luftwaffe Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2006.12.09 18:11:00 - [6] Nicely done. Finaly I understand something about salvaging. Now off to skill for it --------------------------------------------------- It take's 10 finger's for to smacktalk and ONLY ONE TO WIN [The all mighty "I WIN BOTTON"]
CptEagle Gallente D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2006.12.09 18:43:00 - [7] Cud someone shed some light on this please? Quote: 2006.12.09 18:40:09 Notify Salvaging the Caldari Elite Frigate Wreck is too difficult for you to be able to do. Got this when trying to salvage a Manticore, I've got Salvaging lvl 2.
Shi'ra Kull	Posted - 2006.12.09 19:24:00 - [8] Needs lvl 3
voidvim Minmatar Genco Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2006.12.11 22:53:00 - [9] I'm look for a in depth drop rate of salvable material to complete my guide. I have a good idea what npc faction drops what, but a drop ratio of materials and quantity would be very handy.
coldrieve	Posted - 2006.12.12 19:31:00 - [10] can you tell me this... when i destroy a rat, i close in and loot it. then i turn my salvager on. either i get something or it tells me that my attempt failed to salvage. do you then say that the wreck has nothing or do i keep my salvager working to get the components? because it has happened to me that i see that the attempted fail and i move to turn off the salvager and before i get a chance to, i see that it was able to get something from the wreck.
OldPueblo Gallente Aliastra	Posted - 2006.12.12 21:31:00 - [11] Originally by: coldrieve can you tell me this... when i destroy a rat, i close in and loot it. then i turn my salvager on. either i get something or it tells me that my attempt failed to salvage. do you then say that the wreck has nothing or do i keep my salvager working to get the components? because it has happened to me that i see that the attempted fail and i move to turn off the salvager and before i get a chance to, i see that it was able to get something from the wreck. You basically salvage it till it pops or you get something.
Shalia Ripper Caldari Perpetua Umbra Brotherhood Of Steel	Posted - 2006.12.12 21:43:00 - [12] Reading through the patch notes, I see no mention of being able to salvage rogue drones, faction navy and mercenary ships. All of which I have attempted to salvage with 0 success. I don't even bother trying at all anymore. Salvage is a 3, so the skill should not be an issue.
Lyta Reimalken Minmatar	Posted - 2006.12.12 21:44:00 - [13] Decent explanation, thanks :) Could use some punctuation n stuff but the content is all there :) Now... to figure out how to get those thrice accursed fall-off rigs :P
Christopher Dalran	Posted - 2006.12.12 22:00:00 - [14] Are you sure that training salvaging reduces the ammount of failed attempts you get? With salvage 4 it seems i fail just as much as i did with salvage 1 meaning i often sit there fro 10+ attempts before it works, however on sucessful attemts I now get the "... but there was nothing to salvage" far less frequently than i did before.
Slevin Kalebra	Posted - 2006.12.13 01:51:00 - [15] Edited by: Slevin Kalebra on 13/12/2006 01:51:30 T2 rig parts (undamaged components) also drop off the rare spawn npc rats e.g. Dread Guristas in belts - these spawn 'Commander' wrecks. They are harder to salvage than standard components too. I think they require salvage 3 or 4 (I had salvage 4 before I came across one though). They also seem to take longer to retrieve the components (if present). Player ships do not always drop rig parts... in fact off the half a dozen or so player-wrecks I've salvaged so far I've yet to get anything other than metal scraps (and that includes the wrecks of frigates, cruisers and a battlecruiser)
Leverton AWE Corporation Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.12.13 05:02:00 - [16] Good guide. -- The universe is governed by the aggressive use of force. Hows this for a little note! Oh, and YARRRRR!! - Petwraith I prefer the term RAWR - Xorus
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2006.12.13 05:23:00 - [17] "Q: So what's the point in training past level 1. A: Less time wasted on failed trys – using more then one salvager also lowers time. Q: Do all wreck have the same difficulty to salvage from. A: Nope - T2 ship wrecks are more difficult to salvage from and your get a lot more failed attempts." Actually, these two Q&As are linked together. Each wreck has a "difficulty" rating that gets substracted from your salvager's success rate... NPC pirate frigates have almost no difficulty modifier (1%, maybe even 0%), NPC cruisers have a low (under 5% but above 0%) difficulty, T2 cruisers (player ships) have a difficulty between 10% and 14% (needs L3 salvage) and so on and so forth. If your salvager "chance to salvage" is EQUAL OR LOWER than the wreck's difficulty, you will not be able to salvage the wreck at all... and you'll need to either train an additional salvage level, or fit salvage tackle rigs. "Q: When you use more then one of the same rig do they get the extra stacking penalties ? A: resistance no – weapons yes- A resistance rig only gets the halving penalty but not the stacking penalty, unlike modules." Rigs are supposed to be stacking-nerfed WITH the modules, not separately. At least, so it was stated by the devs. If you don't get the resist rigs stacking-nerfed alongside resists modules, bug-report it... if you don't, somebody will, and it will eventually get "fixed" (when, now that's another story). "Q: Do I have to rig my ship my self A: No a professional rigger could do it for you" Now, this one is pretty interesting. You mean, you have tested it by rigging a ship and trading it to a player without any rigging skills whatsoever, and the ship got the rig bonuses (alongside maximum, non-reduced drawbacks, in case of rigs that HAVE drawbacks) ? Hmmz, that's... at least a bit interesting, if nothing else. _ My skills \| Mod/Rig stacknerfing explained
Slevin Kalebra	Posted - 2006.12.13 12:38:00 - [18] Originally by: Akita T "Q: Do I have to rig my ship my self A: No a professional rigger could do it for you" Now, this one is pretty interesting. You mean, you have tested it by rigging a ship and trading it to a player without any rigging skills whatsoever, and the ship got the rig bonuses (alongside maximum, non-reduced drawbacks, in case of rigs that HAVE drawbacks) ? Hmmz, that's... at least a bit interesting, if nothing else. I think this issue was discussed in the (now closed) Revelations Testing forum during the testing in the final stages of development. IIRC you only need the rigging skills to fit the rigs. However as far as I know, the ship has to be active and the 'Fitting' screen open in a station, so the rigger is also going to need the ship type command skill in order to fit the rigs. So you could make and sell 'customised' ships to order (just remember not to repackage the ship after you rig it or you waste a lot of money). Or you could buy a ship, take it to a specialist rigger and have them fit it out for you if he has the correct ship skill. And you trust him not to run off with it. Anyone else with the requisite ship skills can then fly it, however a pilot without the jury-rigging skill will get hit pretty hard by the negative effects of the rig (where applicable).
MacroKillerGirl	Posted - 2006.12.19 10:56:00 - [19] from what i've seen if a ship/struct/drone doesn't have a bounty you won't get anything from it. thats why mission drones and navy ships don't drop anything. you'll probably find the big the bounty the better parts (but not sure)
Kara Gillquria	Posted - 2006.12.29 04:30:00 - [20] This is very nice, thanks! I am wondering, from what do I get to salvage Damaged Artificial Neural Network, and Melted Capacitor Console? is it from Player ships?
Esaka Caldari	Posted - 2006.12.29 04:55:00 - [21] Originally by: Kara Gillquria This is very nice, thanks! I am wondering, from what do I get to salvage Damaged Artificial Neural Network, and Melted Capacitor Console? is it from Player ships? MCC drop from Blood Raider, no idea about the DANN. A very good source is the salvaging db from http://eve.podzone.net/wsdb/ - doesn't seem to have anything listed for DANN as well though. -------------------------------------- Agent & Mission-Info: http://www.eveinfo.com Evewide Market-Info: http://eve-central.com/
Ruth Menewai	Posted - 2006.12.29 07:40:00 - [22] can anyone confirm/deny that the resist rigs work on capital ships?
Zakgram Apocalyptic Raiders Maelstrom Alliance	Posted - 2006.12.29 21:31:00 - [23] I'm a little confused about player ship salvage. I took a condor and self destructed it, then salvaged it but got nothing more than a metal scrap. I thought that was only supposed to happen on shuttles and the like, but this was a Caldari Frigate Wreck.
Aramendel Amarr Queens of the Stone Age Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2006.12.29 22:27:00 - [24] Probably because you self destructed it. SD destroys all fitted items, makes some sense that it kills also any salvage.
BlueDiamond	Posted - 2006.12.31 10:08:00 - [25] Awsome thread, should be a sticky
Saro Gunn	Posted - 2007.01.10 06:03:00 - [26] I recently salvaged a corp mate's Dominix wreck and picked up no less than 14 Damaged Artificial Neural Networks.
Starlinger	Posted - 2007.01.10 09:11:00 - [27] Originally by: CptEagle Cud someone shed some light on this please? Quote: 2006.12.09 18:40:09 Notify Salvaging the Caldari Elite Frigate Wreck is too difficult for you to be able to do. Got this when trying to salvage a Manticore, I've got Salvaging lvl 2. Needs Salvaging lvl 3 or at least Salvaging lvl 2 + rig "Salvage Tackle I".
Starlinger	Posted - 2007.01.10 09:21:00 - [28] Originally by: Zakgram I'm a little confused about player ship salvage. I took a condor and self destructed it, then salvaged it but got nothing more than a metal scrap. I thought that was only supposed to happen on shuttles and the like, but this was a Caldari Frigate Wreck. I always got metal scrap from frigate wrecks and i don't pay attention more to its. Something useful may take only from bigger ships. Salvaging BS wreck for example require 60m3 of free space in cargo - it means that maximum that you can get from it is 60 units of salvaging materials.
Sadao Minmatar Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.10 09:29:00 - [29] I got total of 85 rig parts from a freighter wreck, 65 specific rigs, 20 ciruits (dont remember the exact types I got). ---
voidvim Minmatar Genco Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.01.30 17:52:00 - [30] I have undated my guide and added patch notes. With the latest patch stuff hhad chnaged, so I would like to find out what the drop rates are and what npc leave salvageable materials.

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