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The Huffarunier Origin. Black Legion. 0	Posted - 2015.08.16 15:20:53 - [1] - Quote The reason we play EVE (besides that we hate ourselves) is because it is unlike any other MMO, but when you talk to people about EVE and attempt to correlate it to other MMOs how do you do it? For example; Are Missions Quests? What are Raids? There are no Daily, or Monthly quests, or achievement points... So, how you do you the mental gymnastics to correlate different actions in EVE to those of Guildwars 2 or WoW, or any other MMO on the market?
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 25661	Posted - 2015.08.16 15:26:08 - [2] - Quote It's fairly easy. You just start out with GÇ£it doesn't really correspond all that well to how things work in other gamesGÇ¥. Trying to explain things in terms of how it works in completely different games tends to lead to all kinds of wrong conclusions, so while it may take slightly longer, starting from a clean slate is generally easier. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ Get a good start: Newbie skillplan 2.2.
Zimmy Zeta Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo 59315	Posted - 2015.08.16 15:33:14 - [3] - Quote I just pretend PVE didn't exist and tell them it's a sandbox game where you continually compete against other players instead of a stupid AI. I'd like to apologize for the poor quality of the post above and sincerely hope you didn't waste your time reading it. Yes, I do feel bad about it.
The Huffarunier Origin. Black Legion. 0	Posted - 2015.08.16 15:44:17 - [4] - Quote Sure. The entire no level thing gets to be an interesting conversation as well, but lets say you have to map certain actions in EVE to conventional MMO terms, what would they be?
Jill Xelitras Xeltec services 334	Posted - 2015.08.16 16:05:45 - [5] - Quote XP = ISK , the more you grind the more you gain. Unlike XP in other MMOs you can lose all your ISK or win it in a raffle. Now any other game with this mechanic would immediately become a P2W title. That's not the case in EvE because ISK don't mean anything if you can't put them to use through understanding the game. RL skills and knowledge required. Classes = ships + modules + rigs + implants + skills. The class you play is the sum of all this. The skill system allows you to learn how to play a class by only slowly opening new possibilities, but once you have those possibilities you can switch classes on a whim. Again, you can't plunk down 100$ or Gé¼ or -ú and hope to achieve anything without RL skills and knowledge. Attributes = RL skills and knowledge. Intelligence, perception, dexterity, charisma ... that's what you bring to the table and not what an arbitrary number in a video game says. Also, can someone explain what this thread is about?-á (Relax ! I'm just quoting Holgrak Blacksmith here.) When life gives you lemons, swap letters and poof: melons, solemn melons.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 25661	Posted - 2015.08.16 16:09:26 - [6] - Quote Jill Xelitras wrote: XP = ISK , the more you grind the more you gain. Unlike XP in other MMOs you can lose all your ISK or win it in a raffle. Now any other game with this mechanic would immediately become a P2W title. That's not the case in EvE because ISK don't mean anything if you can't put them to use through understanding the game. RL skills and knowledge required. Classes = ships + modules + rigs + implants + skills. The class you play is the sum of all this. The skill system allows you to learn how to play a class by only slowly opening new possibilities, but once you have those possibilities you can switch classes on a whim. Again, you can't plunk down 100$ or Gé¼ or -ú and hope to achieve anything without RL skills and knowledge. Attributes = RL skills and knowledge. Intelligence, perception, dexterity, charisma ... that's what you bring to the table and not what an arbitrary number in a video game says. Illustrates the problem quite nicely. An explanation of EVE in terms of how your standard MMO works will inevitably be of the template GÇ£It's like X, except that [long list of details that make it almost completely unlike X]GÇ¥. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ Get a good start: Newbie skillplan 2.2.
Yourmoney Mywallet Jita Institute of Applied Monetary Manipulation 533	Posted - 2015.08.16 16:12:17 - [7] - Quote I usually start by explaining to others that they are playing an MO whereas I am playing an MMO. You know - Massive. ~~50,000k+~~ 25,000+ players on one server. Having thus established my leetness the conversation then usually quickly turns to more important things. Like, the weather.
Jill Xelitras Xeltec services 334	Posted - 2015.08.16 16:22:18 - [8] - Quote The Huffarunier wrote: Sure. The entire no level thing gets to be an interesting conversation as well, but lets say you have to map certain actions in EVE to conventional MMO terms, what would they be? The PvE part is fairly easy to explain except for the part where even PvE is PvP. Guilds = corporations. Don't foget that corporations can be a part of an alliance, which is like a levelled up guild. Alliances can work together in a freeform relationship, which players call coalitions. Raids = PvE fleets. They do exist for instance for incursions otherwise it's less common. Don't forget that you may encounter PvP as soon as you undock and until you redock. ... and actually, even docked you can lose wast amounts of isk on the market, or to scammers, or when somebody blows up your in-space assets. Groups = Fleets. Unlike many other MMOs, fleets are mostly formed to do PvP. Are there other terms you want translated ? Also, can someone explain what this thread is about?-á (Relax ! I'm just quoting Holgrak Blacksmith here.) When life gives you lemons, swap letters and poof: melons, solemn melons.
flakeys Arkham Innovations 3215	Posted - 2015.08.16 16:25:49 - [9] - Quote Well , the people i usually hang around with in rl don't even know what an mmorpg is ... We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
TigerXtrm Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance 1207	Posted - 2015.08.16 16:44:40 - [10] - Quote "It's like World of Warcraft, but with spaceships..." is usually enough to make people understand the basic idea of the game. Going into a detailed explanation is something I don't generally do lol. My YouTube Channel - EVE Tutorials & other game related things! My Website - Blogs, Livestreams & Forums
Jill Xelitras Xeltec services 334	Posted - 2015.08.16 16:45:17 - [11] - Quote Instance = a what ??? A copy of a particular dungeon for a group of players. Instanced dungeons are parallel worlds which let different groups of players explore the same dungeon in separate groups. Games like Vindictus and Dragon Nest are entirely instanced outside of persistent hubs, which are usually in towns. No, seriously it's a thing outside of EvE. We only know the single shard. Also, can someone explain what this thread is about?-á (Relax ! I'm just quoting Holgrak Blacksmith here.) When life gives you lemons, swap letters and poof: melons, solemn melons.
Akirei Scytale Okami Syndicate 3562	Posted - 2015.08.16 17:34:50 - [12] - Quote The Huffarunier wrote: Sure. The entire no level thing gets to be an interesting conversation as well, but lets say you have to map certain actions in EVE to conventional MMO terms, what would they be? There's a login screen, and other people. The similarities end.
Trevor Dalech We pooped on your lawn Resonance. 135	Posted - 2015.08.16 18:11:33 - [13] - Quote Hmmm... to compare EVE with WoW... High sec = Elwhyn Forest Ratting in High Sec = Killing boars in Elwhyn Forest Carebears = People who think they can reach lvl 100 by killing boars in Elwhyn Forest ALOD = Dude in purple gear who gets killed in Elwhyn Forest
BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie Fredegar Hohenstaufen Corporation Holy Arumbian Empire 1915	Posted - 2015.08.16 19:46:42 - [14] - Quote The Huffarunier wrote: The reason we play EVE (besides that we hate ourselves) is because it is unlike any other MMO, but when you talk to people about EVE and attempt to correlate it to other MMOs how do you do it? I don't. I compare it to elder scrolls or the X series. The closest multiplayer games would be Wurm Online or Minecraft. Comparing Eve to Wow is futile. Founder of Violet Squadron, a small gang NPSI community! Mail me for more information. BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie's Space Mediation Service!
The Huffarunier Origin. Black Legion. 0	Posted - 2015.08.16 23:22:55 - [15] - Quote Ive heard people say it is like ARK, but Ive never tried the game.
Remiel Pollard Black Hydra Consortium. CODE. 6881	Posted - 2015.08.16 23:39:19 - [16] - Quote Yoda said it best: "you must unlearn what you have learned". GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥ - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Scatim Helicon GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 3257	Posted - 2015.08.16 23:43:53 - [17] - Quote "Its kinda like x, only actually nothing like x in any way at all" Post on the Eve-o forums with a Goonswarm Federation character that drinking bleach is bad for you, and 20 forum warriors will hospitalise themselves trying to prove you wrong.
Sabriz Adoudel Black Hydra Consortium. CODE. 5257	Posted - 2015.08.17 00:18:03 - [18] - Quote Any comparison with WOW is misleading as the entire premise of the games is different. WOW is basically about memorizing fight mechanics then trying to execute a strategy against high stat, poor AI opponents. Harder encounters allow fewer mistakes, cutting edge encounters might need both flawless execution and some favorable RNG. Strict rules prohibit most 'outside the box' strategies. EVE is all about fighting opponents with the same stats as you but that are (potentially) as smart as you or smarter. Outside the box strategies and extremely unfair numerical advantage are part of the game. Shoot everyone. Let the Saviour sort it out. I enforce the New Haliama Code of Conduct via wardec ops. Ignorance of the law is no excuse - read about requirements for highsec miners at www.minerbumping.com
Mephiztopheleze Republic University Minmatar Republic 124	Posted - 2015.08.17 00:38:08 - [19] - Quote The Huffarunier wrote: The reason we play EVE (besides that we hate ourselves) is because it is unlike any other MMO, but when you talk to people about EVE and attempt to correlate it to other MMOs how do you do it? For example; Are Missions Quests? What are Raids? There are no Daily, or Monthly quests, or achievement points... So, how you do you the mental gymnastics to correlate different actions in EVE to those of Guildwars 2 or WoW, or any other MMO on the market? heh, this could be fun....... my $0.02: Quests = Agent Missions Raids = Wormhole roaming? General content finding roams? Any activity revolving around Surprise PVP! The Daily Quest is always the same: to not get podded. Monthly Quest is to finish the month with more ISK than you started. Classes, well, they still exist in the familiar Tank, DPS, Healer (logi) flavours common to other MMOs, just we also have a much wider variety of 'classes' to choose from, including Tackle, Debuffer (EWAR & Neuts), Party Buffer (Target Painters, squad/wing/fleet boosters, off grid boosting Tengus). And that's before we even venture into the whole Mining, Trading, Hauling, Invention and Industry side of EVE. Grinding = Ratting/Mining/Hauling any awful, repetitive activity. Epic Super Loot = Future ALOD Lulz. Occasional Resident Newbie Correspondent for TMC: http://themittani.com/search/site/mephiztopheleze
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE 1429	Posted - 2015.08.17 02:34:11 - [20] - Quote A lot of terms and mechanics transfer over pretty well, that said there are a lot of eve snobs. Many terms and mechanics for MMOs go way back. I think the bigger issue is the why of it. Looks like Sabriz Adoudel's post has a decent start on the differences. To the casual observer both games probably look the same except that one has wizards, and one has spaceships. @ChainsawPlankto
Tiddle Jr Galvanized Inc. 385	Posted - 2015.08.17 11:41:06 - [21] - Quote - "Do you like Spaceships Barbies?" - "Yes!" - "All right, come with me..."
Jandice Ymladris Aurora Arcology 1463	Posted - 2015.08.17 11:52:38 - [22] - Quote Tiddle Jr wrote: - "Do you like Spaceships Barbies?" - "Yes!" - "All right, come with me..." No! Don't follow the stranger to his rusty hauler! There's no spaceship barbies there! Only Nightmares & spreadsheets! 13th Alliance Tournament first weekend results Amarr Navy repels third Drifter assault
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 25697	Posted - 2015.08.17 11:56:33 - [23] - Quote Jandice Ymladris wrote: Tiddle Jr wrote: - "Do you like Spaceships Barbies?" - "Yes!" - "All right, come with me..." No! Don't follow the stranger to his rusty hauler! There's no spaceship barbies there! Only Nightmares & spreadsheets! Oooh! Spreadsheets. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ Get a good start: Newbie skillplan 2.2.
Harry Forever SpaceJunkys 1252	Posted - 2015.08.17 13:14:28 - [24] - Quote The Huffarunier wrote: The reason we play EVE (besides that we hate ourselves) is because it is unlike any other MMO, but when you talk to people about EVE and attempt to correlate it to other MMOs how do you do it? For example; Are Missions Quests? What are Raids? There are no Daily, or Monthly quests, or achievement points... So, how you do you the mental gymnastics to correlate different actions in EVE to those of Guildwars 2 or WoW, or any other MMO on the market? I just call it Spaceaquarium, sometimes you have to feed ships with torpedos SpaceJunkys on YouTube - Harry Forever on the Forums
IcyMind Arierep Chaotic Tranquility Lethal Intent. 18	Posted - 2015.08.17 13:57:14 - [25] - Quote I tell them is a sandbox that you go and do whatever you want. What I notice is that people who are lazzy that want instant success, tend to quit the game. But people who like to do research and understand thing, they stay with the game. I always loved how in the OLD OLD game you use to loose expericnce when you died. SO what i like here is that if you loose something you loose it and you feel the pain for it. But it feels good when you buy a new ships and start fighitnig other people or making isk from it. I tell people this is a game where different strategy can be applied to anything PVE PVP Low Sec null high sec.
Aineko Macx 348	Posted - 2015.08.17 15:00:35 - [26] - Quote Yourmoney Mywallet wrote: I usually start by explaining to others that they are playing an MO whereas I am playing an MMO. You know - Massive. ~~50,000k+~~ 25,000+ players on one server. Having thus established my leetness the conversation then usually quickly turns to more important things. Like, the weather. For me it usually goes a bit different. After telling players of other MMOs I play eve and that it is quite different, the generic WOW player goes off telling us "that one time, we were fighting that dragon..." or something in that vein. But then I start talking about the sandbox, the uniqueness of a single shard universe (you can actually write history!), fights with thousand of players, ships worth thousands of dollars, multi-hour engagements, month-long conflicts, espionage, alliances and backstabbings, drama bombs in and outside of the game (including CCP), news sites on two sides of a political spectrum and other forms of meta-gaming... The round things off I show them a video or two with raging FCs. By then the players are typically intrigued and listening intently to tales of the wondrous world that is eve, while feeling a little petty with whichever MMO they play. iveeCore: The PHP engine for industrial activities and CREST library
Nasar Vyron S0utherN Comfort DARKNESS. 117	Posted - 2015.08.17 19:15:18 - [27] - Quote Since I'm stuck at jury duty I think I have time to write something up. First, I don't typically talk about playing games with out of game friends. But for other online friends this is basically how I've summed it up: - single server MMO - social/command structure City=Corp State=Alliance Country=Coalition - sandbox means if it exists, a player had a role in it From modules, ships, starbases and most stations in null all the way down to content generation - high, low, null, and wormhole represent areas of the game and the player's relative safety in said area where they can learn the game and interact with like-minded players When they've asked for comparisons I tell them it's not really ppossible to do that accurately that they would need to try it to understand. Usually gets them for a month before they hate it and quit to be honest lol
Lazy Eagle The Goat Farm 108	Posted - 2015.08.17 20:16:18 - [28] - Quote When I get asked this, I just punch them in the gut, take their wallet, then post about my gank. Later in court, I say to him "it's like that" then I punch him in the gut again .
Salvos Rhoska 1247	Posted - 2015.08.17 20:49:33 - [29] - Quote I ask em if they ever played UO. If response is Trammel or negative, disregard. If they try WoW arguments, I slap em with WaR arguments, after which I drink and cry myself to sleep cos its dead. ------------
Val'Dore PlanetCorp InterStellar 966	Posted - 2015.08.17 21:49:40 - [30] - Quote The first rule of EvE is: You do not talk about EvE. The second rule of EvE is: You do not talk about EvE. Third rule of EvE: Someone yells stop, goes limp, taps out, the fight is just beginning. Fourth rule: only two alts to an account. Star Jump Drive A new way to traverse the galaxy. I invented Tiericide

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