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Bawls Deep
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Posted - 2006.12.10 03:43:00 -
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 Originally by: ghosttr
What I am against is the fact that a ship with a few large nos can completely incapacitate a frigate.
How else is a battleship supposed to incapacitate a frig? It can't web you if you stay out of 10km which you will do if you aren't a complete idiot. We all know that a battleship can't kill a frig without a web or a full rack of painters in the mids.
I don't know what you're complaining about tbh, if you target a bs and see the Nos activate line-up and get the frick out. There's no loss for you.  Then come back with friends.
What you are asking for is to be able to solo a BS in a frig. Not gun happen.
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LUGAL MOP'N'GLO
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Posted - 2006.12.10 03:44:00 -
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^^ Sorry that's my gatecamp alt :p To all the guys at P3, hello!!! 
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Sswiftstrike
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Posted - 2006.12.10 03:51:00 -
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Dont bring a knife to a tank fight...
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Dred'Pirate Jesus
Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2006.12.10 04:02:00 -
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Originally by: ghosttr
*stuff*
NOS is just dandy.. Don't feck it up.. 
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Cmdr Sy
Appetite 4 Destruction
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Posted - 2006.12.10 04:04:00 -
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Welcome to the exciting world of nos! 
Unchanged since god knows how long before Castor.
(Except for the visual effect which got tweaked in RMR).
I seem to recall back in late 2004, NPCing Ravens in TPS-run Vale of the Silent having 6x Siege and 2x Heavy Nos as their highslots. I seem to recall flying one under FOE. I don't seem to recall having godlike powers over everyone else trying to make some ISK and survive.
What is the problem now? More people fitting nos?
You do realise that every extra nos is one less damage-dealing launcher or turret? Though there is no such tradeoff on drone boats (Arbitrator, Curse, Pilrgim, Vexor, Iskur, Ishtar, Dominix), that's a pretty short list of ships. Everyone else finds themselves pretty gimped. Do you see many Armageddon pilots suddenly deciding "Hey, I know, I'll throw away my ship bonus and a third of my DPS and nos them, YEAH!!!"...? Blasterthrons? Ravens with more than the two they were fitting two and a half years ago? No, you don't.
Though nos has no true counter (except perhaps cap injectors, ECM and sensor dampeners), it has plenty of limitations, such as adversely impacting your turret/missile damage, using lots of powergrid, and having relatively short range.
A nossing ship will have an advantage in a 1v1, but unless it is one of the specialised ships described above, it will likely take a while to kill an opponent with a reasonable amount of hp. Plenty of time to summon help. Which brings me to my next questions - why are you not fitting plates / extenders, and why are you flying alone? I'm not talking about blobbing, but the rather simple fact that having even one wingman will greatly increase your chances of surviving a death by nos.
Nos hurts small ships? No, the web and drones that come afterwards, hurt small ships. Otherwise you would quickly notice that a small nos has a cycle time of 3 seconds, a medium nos 6 seconds, a heavy nos 12 seconds, and most people are too dumb to stagger them. Hence you keep the big fat ship scrambled while nossed, and your friends kill it. If you die, please note it's the drones in the killmail, not nos, and you would have died anyway had the nos not been there.
So my constructive suggestions are:
1) Fit only the required number of nos. One or two, unless your ship type demands more.
2) Fit a cap injector if you have more than 3 mids.
3) Fit a plate or extender, and increase your resists. Like it or not, Kali is forcing you to balance DPS with own hitpoints.
4) At PVP risk? Fly with a wingman FFS. A slow death by nos from a rubbish damage dealer is as stupid as getting ganked by a blob because you didn't have a scout.
Now go forth and try some small group tactics, and punish the groups who trade their damage for other people's cap. If you fly alone, accept that if something goes wrong, no-one is coming to help. You shouldn't make the cause of every such loss your complaint of the month, unless you are planning to complain about sensor dampeners, ECM drones, energy neutralizers, Mallers being able to fit two 1600mm plates, etc etc.
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Dred'Pirate Jesus
Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2006.12.10 04:15:00 -
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Originally by: Cmdr Sy
*stuff*
QFMFT.. 
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Malthros Zenobia
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
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Posted - 2006.12.10 04:35:00 -
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I've already posted in S&M how to 'fix nos', and it also fixes cap batteries to make them more useful (can you think of anyone who uses them?).
For now, the counter to NOS, is NOS, ECM, and damping them and staying out of their reduced range, and staying out of nos range in general.
Originally by: kieron
The Carrier was never intended to be a solo OMGWTF mission-farming PWNmobile.
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jbob2000
Gallente
Cskillzone
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Posted - 2006.12.10 04:38:00 -
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Maybe just make nos reduce cap recharge rate, and adding it to yours, instead of actually removing cap...
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LUGAL MOP'N'GLO
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Posted - 2006.12.10 04:47:00 -
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Originally by: Malthros Zenobia
I've already posted in S&M how to 'fix nos', and it also fixes cap batteries to make them more useful (can you think of anyone who uses them?).
For now, the counter to NOS, is NOS, ECM, and damping them and staying out of their reduced range, and staying out of nos range in general.
I use cap batteries... Why? Because they increase capacitor as well as increasing the overall recharge rate.
What's the counter to guns? Guns. Whats the counter to ECM? ECM. I fail to see the problem with the counter to a module being the module itself. It makes sense and that's usually how it is anyways. If someone has nos and you don't, you're probably screwbied. If someone has guns and you don't, its mostlikely going to end in your demise as well.
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Aphotic Raven
Gallente
Spectral Armada
Eternal Empire
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Posted - 2006.12.10 04:52:00 -
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Originally by: ghosttr
Every Weapon in eve has a something that effects its usability. Guns have accuracy, missiles have explosion velocity and radius. Something to make it so that the weapon is powerful in the right and and under the right circumstances. This is so that big guns arent so powerful that they dont nerf small ships.
The only thing that does not follow this rule is the NOS. A nos does not have any accuracy, falloff range, or anything to mitigate the damage that it does to your cap. If its in range its going to work. There is no effective way to stop a nos, no weapon disruption. No ammo or cap for it to run out of, nothing. A nos will work in any situation, against any size ships. There is no other weapon in eve that isnt effected by anything but its range.
I believe that nos should be tamed down so that it works under the same rules as any other weapon, it should have accuracy, or falloff range, or at least a countermeasure as well as having large nos have less effect on small ships.
Warp scrams, webs, sensor damps, ecm, target painters, cap neutralizers, shield transfers, remote armour reps...
You are wrong. shut up.
Why is nos range limited only? so that you have to get close.
To get close to a sniper/missle ***** is often difficult and very dangerous (assuming they start a long way away)
If you're getting beaten by nos, learn to outrange it, shut up.
God ECM isnt even cold in its grave and already the NERF NOS'S'S!! camp start up.
It will get nerfed. And then the NERF SENSOR DAMPORS! THEY PRAWN MY LEET SNIPOR SHIP! camp will open for business.
Just stop now.
Quote:
Melicien Tetro: I tried to fight a shark with a pistol underwater once, and I'll be ****ed if he didn't laugh at me and eat me. Sharks need a ******* nerf. True story
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DiuxDium
The Graduates
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Posted - 2006.12.10 04:58:00 -
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Nos is fine. Less tears more fight.
Timeout! Party time. |
ghosttr
Amarr
Point-Zero
Ratel Alliance
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Posted - 2006.12.10 05:37:00 -
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Originally by: jbob2000
Maybe just make nos reduce cap recharge rate, and adding it to yours, instead of actually removing cap...
Or at least I would like to see stacking penalties. So if you use one it will work like they do now. But if you try to put 5 or 6 it wont help you any.
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James Duar
Merch Industrial
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Posted - 2006.12.10 05:48:00 -
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Originally by: ghosttr
Originally by: jbob2000
Maybe just make nos reduce cap recharge rate, and adding it to yours, instead of actually removing cap...
Or at least I would like to see stacking penalties. So if you use one it will work like they do now. But if you try to put 5 or 6 it wont help you any.
Because popping drones is apparently inconceivable 
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Phyrr
Minmatar
The Gosimer and Scarab
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Posted - 2006.12.10 08:03:00 -
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Edited by: Phyrr on 10/12/2006 08:05:27
*sigh* this weeks Nos thread. Nos is fine don't like being nos'd get the **** outta range. It's limited range is it's balancing...
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Cmdr Sy
Appetite 4 Destruction
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Posted - 2006.12.10 10:46:00 -
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Originally by: ghosttr
Or at least I would like to see stacking penalties. So if you use one it will work like they do now. But if you try to put 5 or 6 it wont help you any.
When has having 5 or 6 nos ever helped anyone? There must be no more than two or three ships in EVE that can even do it! And if you're not flying one of them, what's your plan for killing the target?
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NocturnalDeath
Umbra Congregatio
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.12.10 10:53:00 -
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Capacitors got bigger, ie NOS got a NERF with the last patch.
It really needs a boost to be honest
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NocturnalDeath
Umbra Congregatio
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.12.10 10:55:00 -
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Originally by: Cmdr Sy
Originally by: ghosttr
Or at least I would like to see stacking penalties. So if you use one it will work like they do now. But if you try to put 5 or 6 it wont help you any.
When has having 5 or 6 nos ever helped anyone? There must be no more than two or three ships in EVE that can even do it! And if you're not flying one of them, what's your plan for killing the target?
Ummm Stay out of Nos Range, and deal more damage than the other guy...
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Cmdr Sy
Appetite 4 Destruction
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Posted - 2006.12.10 11:08:00 -
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Originally by: NocturnalDeath
Ummm Stay out of Nos Range, and deal more damage than the other guy...
Exactly. I'm glad someone agrees.
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