Originally by: ThaMa Gebir

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I thought people were here to enjoy the game, not to read stuff like "Grievers!!!111"

(Badly spelt on purpose)

Every day I come on here and see whining this and whining that, grief play etc etc, and am getting sick and fed up of it.

I enjoy the non-consent part of the game, it keeps you on your toes.

For example, I was down in Omist and we heard about a certain player that was a thorn in the side for most alliances down there, Stybbe. Now this guy has a few of my ships on his KB, but one thing I have to say, it could be construed as griefing as what he did, to the uneducated that is. He goes out in a group with his pvp partner Ka-ten and they take down small fleets on their own, rarely logging off after engaging, and for that he has my respect.

Why, when pvp'ers using a small loophole in the game (not exploit or h4xpl017s ) they manage to get someone to attack them in secure space (well more secure) do you whine that he popped your ship. Yes I get upset that I have lost months of work on occasions, but I still play because that is all part of the game, and should I not want to lose so much cash I would not fly the damn ship with those fittings. Also have you thought of using a possible log-in trap (I don't particularly like it but if it works then they [the pvp'er] can whine less about it because they used a loophole on you) you may be able to kill them and make them think twice about attacking you in future.

There are ways and means of stopping people from (or possibly hindering their mission against you) an easy kill, use it. Options are; Friends, lots of friends (almost as good as lots of guns but can be more effective in a well trained group), don't go where the "griefer" can scout you out and destroy your fun, or (I hate to say it) if you want no risk in a solo online rpg, then join wow. It may be more fun for you.

CCP are doing their best and have always done so. They do have their problems, the same as any other game operator, but I do get the distinct impression that they are working hard on it and trying to improve the game for us all, not just for the cash (although that is a big incentive). This game has on a number of occasions been stated to be player driven, what comes with the players when (more or less) in control? PvP of course. Be that you have to find a better trade run for your goods in empire or (god forbid ) low sec, or if you have to fight another player that has stolen something from you (combat).

Please do not whine anymore as I can't stand the damn cheese around here.

I have no problem with standard well laid out points of view and possible improvents to the game, but things like "FFS CCP, I R TEH 1337 PWNZOR IN MISSIONS AND MY LIFE SHUD BE E4S1ER THEN TH15 CUZ I PAI 15$ A MUNTH AMD DADDY SAIS IT IS MINE!!11111!!", really lose points with the credibility factor I have/had for these boards.

I am sure the average IQ of the players has sunk in the last few weeks /months, I hate it.

Please restore my confidence in the playerbase, I don't want to play game with 1337 kiddies, rather young adults (girls fine too ).

Thank you.

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