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Aphotic Raven
Gallente
Spectral Armada
Eternal Empire
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Posted - 2006.12.10 10:27:00 -
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Hi, im not going to rant, we all know drones range from broken to downright dangerous for their users... a lot of people are sick of it.
If anything drones are getting worse... why? and why has the AI driving them not been removed and totally replaced yet?
Please give us some answers as the silence or soon(tm) crap is wearing thing.
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NocturnalDeath
Umbra Congregatio
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.12.10 10:59:00 -
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Actually the day after the last 'fix' was the worst.
Today they seem to actually shoot targets, however they do randomly choose to change targets on occassion.
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Aphotic Raven
Gallente
Spectral Armada
Eternal Empire
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Posted - 2006.12.10 11:05:00 -
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Yeah... since revelations they seem more broken to me... not returning to ship when ordered.. changing targets... attacking/not attacking..
You know i almost regret not having a caldari alt with a raven... sometimes i feel like doing missions in high sec.. and sometimes i'd like to play the game on Easy mode... but with drones this wont happen...
A lot of people say that they arent a priority for CCP because they are a secondary weapons system.... tell this to domi/vexor/myrmidon/arbitor pilots....
And if they are only a secondary weapon, as everything in eve suggests they should be.. then why are they so hard to operate... i warp in to a belt/mission, set guns on a rat, turn on tank and then spend the remainder of the time in that belt poking and prodding drones to try and make them behave...
Drones fail more than any other system in the game.
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Melicien Tetro: I tried to fight a shark with a pistol underwater once, and I'll be ****ed if he didn't laugh at me and eat me. Sharks need a ******* nerf. True story
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Voin
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Posted - 2006.12.10 11:08:00 -
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And NO one word about drones fix in the new 13-th of December patch...
Shame on CCP for that...
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Andrue
Amarr
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Posted - 2006.12.10 11:11:00 -
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I think those of you having problems need to give more specific information. My T2 Vespas have been behaving impecably for months. Of course they tend to rip through things very quickly so it's hard to know if they ever wander off but I have no complaints.
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Fortior
STK Scientific
Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.12.10 11:14:00 -
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ROFL, this is too funny. In my experience drones are working better than ever. They MWD when you tell them to attack, they MWD when you tell them to return to drone bay. They even attack the targets I tell them to attack! Also, they only seem to attack enemies that have aggroed on me, so they don't fly off 70km to attack a group of battleships.
Honestly, I think they've actually fixed them! 
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Aphotic Raven
Gallente
Spectral Armada
Eternal Empire
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Posted - 2006.12.10 11:17:00 -
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Originally by: Andrue
I think those of you having problems need to give more specific information. My T2 Vespas have been behaving impecably for months. Of course they tend to rip through things very quickly so it's hard to know if they ever wander off but I have no complaints.
Maybe try something other than level 2 missions...
As specific as i can be, drones lag when launched, retrieved, they ignore orders entirely, they aggro seperate targets, they attack anything targeted and draw more aggro in missions (even from spawns that arent shooting yet, hence they get shot up themselves...)
In pvp they are a joke as they tend to refuse to return... this gets you killed in many fun and exciting ways...
They have abismall alpha due to the rediculous time taken to get them even moving towards a target (sentrys ARE better for this... but still kinda insane)
A response from the devs would be great.. i know i may sound angry but its just frustration, i would like some statement or reply from the devs for all drone users to hear.
If you need help testing, tell me when and where. Give us a summary of whats wrong please. A plan and a timetable to fix it.
3 months? ok. as long as theres action... please stop ignoring the issue...
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Melicien Tetro: I tried to fight a shark with a pistol underwater once, and I'll be ****ed if he didn't laugh at me and eat me. Sharks need a ******* nerf. True story
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Aphotic Raven
Gallente
Spectral Armada
Eternal Empire
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Posted - 2006.12.10 11:20:00 -
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Originally by: Fortior
ROFL, this is too funny. In my experience drones are working better than ever. They MWD when you tell them to attack, they MWD when you tell them to return to drone bay. They even attack the targets I tell them to attack! Also, they only seem to attack enemies that have aggroed on me, so they don't fly off 70km to attack a group of battleships.
Honestly, I think they've actually fixed them!
I had some mediums switch from an aggro cruiser to a BC i had targetted... 2 drones left target 1 and and attacked unagroed target 2.... this then caused the BC and 2 frigs with it to target the drones and waste 1 of them before i could get them to return...
So thats not exactly what im looking for...
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Melicien Tetro: I tried to fight a shark with a pistol underwater once, and I'll be ****ed if he didn't laugh at me and eat me. Sharks need a ******* nerf. True story
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Voin
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Posted - 2006.12.10 11:24:00 -
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Originally by: Andrue
I think those of you having problems need to give more specific information. My T2 Vespas have been behaving impecably for months. Of course they tend to rip through things very quickly so it's hard to know if they ever wander off but I have no complaints.
I've 5 Hornet II + 5 Vespa II in my drone bay attached as 2 different group's, and problem is: since Revelations my stupied Tech II drones randomly swithing off primary target to other target's and MOST stupidity is 5 drones Hornet II switching to the 5 target's and TOP stupie thing they ever can do - Hornet II flew to attack alone BS and BC... WTF???
this is not the action I suppost to have with nearly 3 mil SP (9 Drones skills trained, for a total of 2,881,805 skillPoints.) in my Drones skill!!!
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Shao Daar
Caldari
Coalition Of Empires
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Posted - 2006.12.10 11:31:00 -
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I don't have TOO many problems with drones, but sometimes... well, sometimes I do think they could use some AI upgrade.
Some rare examples of weird drone behaviour:
- I order my drones to attack a distant target. They cannot find a path (asteroid / structure in the way). They will either get stuck on what is blocking their path, or pick random targets / return and orbit.
- Sometimes they like to randomly switch targets. This is rare indeed, but happens. It seems it happens when they need to fly a large distance, but I'm just guessing here.
- They get stuck together when returning to ship, resulting in them flying very slow. This is more common with fighters I think (the larger the drone, the more likely he'll get stuck with another).
- They have an annoying habbit of drawing aggro, and if they get shot at, fly after their attacker. In misisons, the last thing you want is your T2 drones to fly into a group of enemies who are shooting at them.
One CONSTANT thing about drones:
- Slow response time. It can take precious seconds after you give the drones an order, but before they carry it out. The only "odrder" being carried out instantly is "scoop to drone bay" (NOT "return to drone bay"!), but that requires no "thought" on the drone side.
On a side note: the drone interface, I'm sorry to say this, but it's terrible, to say the least. There should be a quick button to make drones attack / return. The need to expand a box every time is silly, especially in tight situations with lag all around.
Finally, this is NOT a rant. I'm just saying that "yes, drones do have problems with them, here's a list, and it'd be nice if it got fixed".
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Voin
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Posted - 2006.12.10 11:36:00 -
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BTW, to those who might forgot! Now is about the time when 1 year ago CCP iserted thats new drones skill with BIG Promise Drone 'll be incredible better - what we got for over the Year? Less than half year Drones worked more or less properly...
I wish I would change my ~ 3mil SP (Drones part) for some other skill more useable atm... CCP time to think about new deal with that.
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Trinity Faetal
Gallente
Dark Centuri Inc.
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2006.12.10 12:03:00 -
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Edited by: Trinity Faetal on 10/12/2006 12:03:28
i have on several occasion had MY OWN DRONES shooting me , must've been the fact that i let them out to soon and get them shot by npc.. or the fact that they must've roamed into smartbomb range :p
it's very funny getting a killmail with yourself as involved party -_^
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Regel
Gallente
Skyborne Exploration
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Posted - 2006.12.10 13:14:00 -
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Is it possible that drones get confused when you use your guns to shoot at something they aren't attacking? I'm one of the lucky people who hasn't been having any trouble but the only time I ever use one of my turrets is to get aggro. Drones do all the real work.
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Webster Carr
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.12.10 20:52:00 -
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All drones are currently in the process of going rogue... 
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Andrue
Amarr
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Posted - 2006.12.10 21:27:00 -
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Edited by: Andrue on 10/12/2006 21:29:41
Originally by: Aphotic Raven
Originally by: Andrue
I think those of you having problems need to give more specific information. My T2 Vespas have been behaving impecably for months. Of course they tend to rip through things very quickly so it's hard to know if they ever wander off but I have no complaints.
Maybe try something other than level 2 missions...
What provoked that outburst? If you don't want help then don't post. I was trying to be helpful.
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[Brackley, UK]
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Andrue
Amarr
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Posted - 2006.12.10 21:29:00 -
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Originally by: Regel
Is it possible that drones get confused when you use your guns to shoot at something they aren't attacking? I'm one of the lucky people who hasn't been having any trouble but the only time I ever use one of my turrets is to get aggro. Drones do all the real work.
I don't think so. I nearly always have my drones attacking things my turrets/missiles can't. This is why more information is needed. Obviously there is something wrong with drones for some people but for others (like me) they are fine.
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Nardon
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.12.10 21:48:00 -
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It's funny as for the first time drones work flawless for me. The last patch did it for me. They are now as dumb as I wanted them to be. And I'm grateful for that. :)
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Wadaya
Caldari
Tok'Ra Inc
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Posted - 2006.12.10 21:53:00 -
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From the perspective of a noob, I never had a problem with drones up until last week. This theory is way out in left field but, up until last week, I only had drones 4. Once I trained drones to 5, I can't get them to do anything without alot of babysitting. I think there is some fundamental flaw between drones 4 and 5. That's my theory, and I'm sticking to it.
Wad
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Varus Riaz
Gallente
The Durandal Organization
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Posted - 2006.12.10 21:56:00 -
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I've had the drones decide to randomly shift targets before, usually right after I've deployed them.
The most annoying thing that happens to me though is when the drones won't return to ship when ordered. Usually 3 or 4 of them will return to the bay no problem, but the last few drones just straggle right outside of scooping range. Eventually, after ordering them back a few more times, they will finally make the last 100 meters or so. In very rare cases I have to turn my ship around and scoop them up myself.
This seems to only happen to me in npcing, especially missions. I've never really experienced any problems in pvp with them.
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Patch86
Di-Tron Heavy Industries
Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2006.12.10 22:12:00 -
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Deffiantly aggreed. Don't care about *what* they do to drones, but I would like some Dev word on it.....................
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Serendipity007
Caldari
X.T.R
Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2006.12.10 22:27:00 -
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Drone bugs still not fixed.
We Drone Users want a DRONE OVERHAUL!
Give us some of those pretty buttons you put on the gang window on the drone window like "Attack Target", "Return to Dronebay", "Agressive Mode" "Defensive Mode", "Passive Mode", etc. Redo the drone AI from scratch, and test them! Make Drones and especially Fighters use their MWD when returning to dock!
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Bubba Fett
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Posted - 2006.12.10 22:32:00 -
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The problem is that CCP keeps shrinking the size of the drone bays and the drones are getting angry. In my dominix they used to have 7500m/3 to lounge around in. Now they're all packed into 375m/3. Is it any wonder they want to run free when you let them out?
Strangly enough they've been behaving really well for me. :^)
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Ankanos
Caldari
School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2006.12.10 22:40:00 -
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Originally by: Aphotic Raven
Hi, im not going to rant, we all know drones range from broken to downright dangerous for their users... a lot of people are sick of it.
If anything drones are getting worse... why? and why has the AI driving them not been removed and totally replaced yet?
Please give us some answers as the silence or soon(tm) crap is wearing thing.
[i've not read any other posts..]
.. i'm an avid drone ***** with 5.3mil sp in drones and have only ever flown a domi for a BS..
other than the AWOL bug that came in w/the patch and then was fixed in last patch, my drones have working flawlessly for the past several months.
so i have to ask, what is it that so broken about them?
-ank
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Gamer4liff
Caldari
Metalworks
THE INTERSTELLAR FOUNDRY
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Posted - 2006.12.10 22:50:00 -
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Who cares about drones, where is Hammer's T2 blog?
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Rooker
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Posted - 2006.12.11 00:02:00 -
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I'd just be happy if they didn't cause mass aggro in certain missions. I guarantee you, if missiles accidently ****ed off an entire pocket full of rats in a mission the way drones do, it would have been fixed an hour later.
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