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Guardian PR
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Posted - 2003.11.21 02:34:00 -
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Trouble "up north" as Space Invaders run rampant.
Read it here
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Captain Massacre
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Posted - 2003.11.21 04:06:00 -
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Ah nothing like waking up in the morning and reading news of another glorious NVA defeat. I only wish I had been there to help. Oh well maybe next time. In the meanwhile my best congratulations to Drunkenmaster and the rest of the SI crew on a job well done. Kudos also to all the other corps that helped them in their efforts to remove the evil queen and her court from Venal.
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2003.11.21 04:50:00 -
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I think regardless of what is printed its important to maintain a degree of respect for the free press.
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Robeyone
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Posted - 2003.11.21 07:25:00 -
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Edited by: Robeyone on 21/11/2003 07:27:57
This is complete and udder crap. We are no where near short on resources or ISK. In response to the battleship shortage we choose not to fight with our Battleships right now. RONA itself has been ordered by me to not in anyway engaging any ship that belongs to SI or the Valkyries. Nor will we until further notice. For all I care they can run around like animals up there. This is not inflicting any damage on our economic model at all. We are aware that changes in this game need to be made and until we see such a change we will be holding our military assest and not wasting ships to absoultly rediculous engagements. I congratulate SI for the Tempest and the Megathron we have lost to their forces but we are no where near defeated. Whoever told the Gaurdian that crap about moral needs to get their head out of their butt because most of the corps right now are choosing not to engage the enemy fleets. So come up here that's fine. Talk your crap. We are still here an we will continue to be here regardless of SI or other pirate corporations running around in Venal. In conclusion Captain you are a complete and total Nob I have seen you once in Venal and that's it so get a life. 
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Miss Cleo
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Posted - 2003.11.21 07:54:00 -
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Eve Guardian used to be such a good news source. Now theyre like that weekly world news at the store. You know the one that has "Bin Ladden and Hussien Wedding" on the front. More like a tabloid paper then anything. I wish credible journalism would come back. That new pirate paper the plank looks more entertaining then this stuff. Probably more reliable to.
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Lex Luger
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Posted - 2003.11.21 08:11:00 -
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Edited by: Lex Luger on 21/11/2003 08:17:17
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RONA itself has been ordered by me to not in anyway engaging any ship that belongs to SI or the Valkyries. Nor will we until further notice. For all I care they can run around like animals up there.
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Interesting.
Does that mean RONA is leaving NVA? Since you will not to fight to protect "your" region?
Deja Vu?
There are some interesting coincidences between what is hapening now and the way the original VA came to an end. Back there too, a seemingly strong alliance was being attacked by enemies.
And the large corp,( TTI back then, RONA now,) was expected to do most of the fighting and also supply the entire alliance with ships and ammo. TTI decided that it was not in their best interests to continue fighting on VA's side. Just like RONA has now decided its not in their best interests to continue fighting on NVA's side. (For what reasons they decided to do that is irrelevant)
Without TTI's support, the VA had to make a peace with their enemys or they would have been destroyed. Maybe now, the NVA will be forced to try make peace with SI and their allies. I imagine a few billion isk payout would do the trick. Perhaps you could pay them for "protection".
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Halseth Durn
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Posted - 2003.11.21 08:19:00 -
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Edited by: Halseth Durn on 21/11/2003 08:20:57
Its a shame to see the free press start to take liberty with what they ASSUME is the truth. From reading this news article, it appears that there are 2 things happening at eve-guardian;
1. There is no investigative reporting happening.
The report is so one sided that it is obviously written 80% by reading the forums (the most untrustworthy source available) And 20% unrefined rumors. Was Jade or any of the other leaders of the NVA contacted for comment or a statement? No. Tisk, tisk, sloppy work gentlemen.
2. It appears to be a "slow news day". What better news than the EMMINENT destruction of the NVA? Sensationalism at best.
I hope that most people don't really believe that loosing a few rounds of good, PvP with SI (gg boys) is the "utter colapse" of us?!?! Get real, The NVA is rich in resources, good corps, and what still amazes me, "heart and soul". This alliance has been through enough ****nit to kill most alliances twice. And yet, they are still kicking. And no, the NVA is not colapsing.
"That which does not kill you, only makes you stronger"
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Discorporation
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Posted - 2003.11.21 09:28:00 -
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I love EvE-Guardian.
Why?
Simple, it's one of the non-corporate sponsored few news organisations out there. That alone justifies its existence.
[Heterocephalus glaber]
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boeses frettchen
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Posted - 2003.11.21 09:33:00 -
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I love EvE-Guardian.
Why?
Simple, it's one of the non-corporate sponsored few news organisations out there. That alone justifies its existence.
*ahem*
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drunkenmaster
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Posted - 2003.11.21 09:35:00 -
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While the article is obviously overblown, it's just a news story.
As I do in the real world, I take most news articles with a pinch of salt. This one especially.
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Discorporation
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Posted - 2003.11.21 09:59:00 -
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*ahem*
Shhhh, I was doing so well!
[Heterocephalus glaber]
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Moving Shadow
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Posted - 2003.11.21 10:42:00 -
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I think that the guardian, however biased, is a good thing because there isnt really a way to see the bigger picture of eve.
In the same way, I really appreciate Kalshriths eve maps as there isnt another way to see the political landscape.
If the article is as anti-NVA as it seems, then perhaps the NVA should contact the Guardian and ask for an interview to put things straight. I think that there was a response from Macross after the Guardians 'pirates?' article.
Perhaps Ms. Constantine should arrange some kind of press briefing?
Just a thought.
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Lianhaun
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Posted - 2003.11.21 11:23:00 -
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I think I know why Guardian is anti NVA.
They allready have excellent PR and press coverage, although its hard to talk you out of massive losses.
And I recall SPVD receiving some very bad coverage during TTI ( where Ragnar did the talking) and now we receive compliments ( with no one doing any talking to Guardian).
So I doubt Guardian is really that biased, perhaps they simple stat what the fact are at this moment.
This is not a hijack
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DB Preacher
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Posted - 2003.11.21 13:46:00 -
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Hmm,
I wouldn't say the story is Anti-NVA. However I do feel that it is blowing the pirate problems we have up here out of proportion.
The NVA have been under a stream of attacks from pirates since the NVA was formed. They come in, wave their space-wangs around a bit and then go back to ganking indies for a while to stock up on missiles for their next wang-waving-waddle.
This week hasn't seen any more losses than any other week they come up.
Oh and if the NVA is about to split up then you better tell that to the NVA members because you appear to know our business better than we do.
dbp
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Maud Dib
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Posted - 2003.11.21 14:01:00 -
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First off all media outlets are biased because they are run by people who have personal ideas and beliefs. So everything they hear and see is viewed through the filter of their own ideals. They may try to see things objectively but they cannot seperate themselves for what they personally hold to be true.
Second from what I can tell the only thing they got right was that SI kicked the crap out of a couple of our fleets. Good job BTW. You tired of shooting me yet Indigo?
If losing a ship really mattered then it might have damaged morale but all it really did was give us a fun fight and then a new ship.
I'm not sure a lot of people understand how things really work in EVE.
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Guardian PR
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Posted - 2003.11.21 14:46:00 -
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I have been asked to make the following statement:
All NVA information contained in the article, including references to morale and resources, was drawn entirely and exclusively from high level NVA sources.
The information was checked and verified with other NVA sources and confirmed as being accurate and representative.
In short: the information expressed within the article is the direct feeling and information given by high level NVA personnel.
We suggest that NVA members who feel the report to be either biased or incorrect should speak to their own members who supplied the information before criticising the press.
Let us repeat so that this is perfectly clear: The information and feelings expressed were those of the NVA leadership drawn from more than one representative corporation official.
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2003.11.21 15:18:00 -
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From my perspective, I can certainly see why Eve Guardian saw things in this way. I think their figures on casualties are fairly accurate and it is also true that the Space Invader corporation has transformed from skulking misfits into veritable giants of space combat invulnerability and ubergank monstrosity. Over the past few days even the shadow of a Space Invader has been sufficient to make our fleet ships explode in sheets of flame!
I would say that the talk of the NVA being near to quitting and fleeing from the region is speculative fantasy though ... anyone who has followed the story of our birthing pangs and troubled existance will know that we make a legend out of enduring adversity and fighting back.
I think the analysis of whether Space Invaders can maintain their grip of terror is appropriate also. And if they do pull out of theatre it won't be because of any notion of "pity" it will be because they simply cannot maintain an ongoing occupation in the face of guerilla resistance.
I agree its somewhat ridiculous to see an alliance brought to such a difficult position by a relatively small opposing force. But seriously, at this moment Space Invaders are mustering probably the best 10 PvP professionals in Eve amongst their fleet.
They log on and log off in unison. They move as a unit. They have utter teamspeak control. They have pretty much perfect ship setups. And in combat they instantly target victim ships in order of priority and threat, allowing them to eliminate fleets of many times their own size.
And we have lost a lot of ships to this engine of destruction ... well, who wouldn't?
The real point here is that we are still fighting after losing 60 odd ships. And that is an achievement of morale and organisation.
Robeyone is right on the engagement parameters also.
Taking what I have said on the Space Invader capabilities and threat level ... it is a waste of time and resources to throw battleships into the grinder to make easy kills for them.
But fortunately,
Time is on our side.
The universe is changing.
New technology and refinements in administrative reality are going to chance the face of Eve.
Many of our corporations are placed to enjoy the fruits of new scientific endeavour, and while we continue to grow and evolve the space invaders will doubtless kill more ships yet; but as an enemy of mine once wisely quoted in his sig.
"You are not your ship".
This said of course, yep, we would love to kick the crap out for some Space Invader ships for a change ;)
To this end we are shortly going to offer NVA membership to a number of PVP specialist corporations that have the wits and courage and wherewithal to engage the space invaders on even terms. This will of course be a huge challenge for anyone brave enough to take up the gauntlet, but the esteem and kudos for breaking the most terrifying pirate warmachine in Eve is some prize to claim for a corporation identity.
So, yep, the NVA has taken some punches and is reeling, but as everyone knows, we have a big heart and a stubborn enduring will and burning desire to make our dream of freedom real ...
Long live the NVA!
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Maud Dib
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Posted - 2003.11.21 15:18:00 -
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wow relax...breathe deeply....that much anger isn't good for you.
Why so much anger about people disagreeing with you. BTW if you have proof about people lying then post the logs.
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Diamond Dog
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Posted - 2003.11.21 15:35:00 -
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Somehow I think this all highly unlikely
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Maud Dib
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Posted - 2003.11.21 15:49:00 -
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I tell you what if you are interested I'm also NVA and on all the councils and stuff like that. You can question me and I'll tell you the truth as I see it and I don't need to hide either. You can even post the interview on the forums if you want.
But surely you knew that many people who agree to tell you stuff under the guise of annonimity would deny it in public.
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DB Preacher
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Posted - 2003.11.21 16:19:00 -
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thats what im bothered about - that and how easily and readily all these other little worms crawl out to add their voices of hate.. half of them alts and the other half clueless and without any contact of their own.
Thats what bothers me.
Come on Cerys Ereint, you can't expect people not to comment on the news. Otherwise you wouldnt be touching people's lifes.
Look at Jade, she gets nothing but abuse after every single one of her posts. That's what happens in the forums Cerys. Personally, I think it could have been a lot worse than a couple of NVA members saying that they didn't agree with the fact that we were "under dire threat of total collapse".
dbp
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Temujin Destovai
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Posted - 2003.11.21 16:27:00 -
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You will always gets trolls, no matter what you do. No matter how well researched, how true, or how convincing you present something, there will always be the black sheep that come forward to troll and destroy, simply because they are incapable of doing anything more constructive.
I have always loved the Eve Guardian and what it has done for the community, and would be really sad to see it go, along with most of the rest of the community. You dont just bring forward RP stories of great value, but also reports of whats really going on in Eve, even though you know your going to get flamed for it. When you report on stuff that happens ingame, its going to attract lamers and flames no matter how you present it.
The thing that you have to understand though is that it doesnt really matter. For every article, controversial or not, you will get a few trolls and flamers, and several hundred grateful people. These grateful people dont care for the crap the trolls write, because they see it as what it really is. You cant forget that your not writing for these trolls, but for everybody else.
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Anede
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Posted - 2003.11.21 16:45:00 -
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Edited by: Anede on 21/11/2003 16:49:40
Cerys, What about the people in the NVA that are agreeing with your article? Do they not count? Why do the inevitable 'its all lies!' posts effect you when the much less inevitable 'its not all lies!' posts don't.
Also, how about you give the guys you interviewed a bit of time to post, before writing them off as cowards?
Edited for my terrible speeling and gamar 
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Morkt Drakt
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Posted - 2003.11.21 16:45:00 -
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Whoever told the Gaurdian that crap about moral needs to get their head out of their butt because most of the corps right now are choosing not to engage the enemy fleets.
Funny old thing about life... is that it has a habit of coming back and biting you in the ass.
Im interested in how "most of the corps are not choosing to engage the enemy fleets" is not "low morale"? Sure as hell sounds like it to me.
Unlike some of the more clueless "haters" as Cerys calls them I do have good NVA contacts.
I also supply two NVA corps with ships - both of those corps are short on ISK, one has asked for a loan, the other is struggling to reach funds for various purchases.
Im not saying that to **** off the NVA, i will loose me customers for sure, but if RONA and Oberon are so bloody wealthy why are other NVA corps bascically begging favours and scrabbling for ISK?
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Either way I totally, having been there myself, agree with Cerys.
Its far too easy and simple for the idiots to come a ranting and a wailing making unfounded accusations - and its sad to see so many others pick up the torch and rush to join the lynch mob without a shred of evidence.
I am intrigued to see how pople such as Silverhawk can indeed laugh so openly at EG articles. I assume that he has such superb sources of information that he knows implicitly and without any doubt that EG are wrong.
I would not even stoop to consider that he is simply adding more trollish and snide comments without any straight-from-the-source information of his own.
No. Never.
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Unfortunately such spineless and baseless behaviour typifies ost of those who come to these forums to post. It is a haven of ahters and ranters and Im surprised that EG even bother to put things here - they would get a bigger audience and more sensible reader by posting to eve-i.
This place is just full of alts or armchair trolls as we have seen once again, attacking their favourite prey of anybody setting out to give news to the mass population.
From my own sources and talks I think the NVA is teetering on the edge. If rona and oberon are filthy rich and catflap then i suggest they pass out some wealth before they becoem another TTi.
If nobody is using battleships because theya re scared of loosing them.. i think, still, that its either due to morale or financial restrictions.. certianly SI seem willing to risk battleships under the same conditions.
All this smacks of spin from the NVA to me.
Why can SI risk battleships but the NVA cant?
Why are some NVA corps scrabbling for isk and RONA claiming they are fatcats?
Why is anybody taking any notice of pillocks like Talon who know nothing at alla bout the Venal wars and is nothing more than on a trolling missions.
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I think the problem isnt this articel on the NVa its every article - every news service is greeted by nothing more than ahtred and contempt by these trolls at every juncture.
it doesnt matter what they print or how they print it they are hated and trolled at every possible opportunity by these idiots... and it is a bandwagon.
Some people are only happy when they can pull down what others try to build or provide and are envious of it even, bizare but true..
Sad but simple truth I'm afraid.
(Of course all the EG people are my alts anyway so wth do i know )
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Fargas
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Posted - 2003.11.21 16:52:00 -
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Cerys and the rest of EVE Guardian.
You're doing a great job and I am one of the many readers you have. I don't mail you stating how good the article was. But at the same time I'm trying to defending your articles whenever I have the fact and happen to cross a troll. Trolls come in plenty, you do not.
We do not want yet another great News machine go away and leave us with .. nothing. You are bringers of content. You are bringers of events.
Too bad Cerys have been pushed over the edge. And if there is nothing we can do to get her back, atleast we can make sure the rest of the staff don't quit. For EVE's sake.
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Miss Cleo
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Posted - 2003.11.21 16:55:00 -
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Wrong Mork not an alt. Ive posted quite a bit over the last few months. I just think Cerys hasnt been very impartial in her reporting and I'm calling her on it. Shes obviously angry about something. Your attempting to make RONA into the next TTI is hilarious too. Just because they are wealthy doesnt mean they should fund the entire NVA defense effort. I wonder if Jade will lead a vote to kick them out to?
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Morkt Drakt
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Posted - 2003.11.21 17:05:00 -
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Wrong Mork not an alt. Ive posted quite a bit over the last few months. I just think Cerys hasnt been very impartial in her reporting and I'm calling her on it. Shes obviously angry about something. Your attempting to make RONA into the next TTI is hilarious too. Just because they are wealthy doesnt mean they should fund the entire NVA defense effort. I wonder if Jade will lead a vote to kick them out to?
Thats about as biased a stance as i ever seen.
It isnt rocket science to see what shes angry about - they printed an article from NVA sources, checked those sources with other NVA sources and now the NVA are calling them liars.
People like you - and you are an alt just not a fresh one - prove the point about "hate" totally.
I aks a simple question and you spin it out. I know for a fact that some NVA corps are in financial difficulties, what i find interesting is that you are trying to "spin" that away from its true meaning and into something else.
It is factually correct that some NVA corps cannot afford to be in battleships. Fact, Because they, factually, told me so themselves, fact, and one of them, fact, even asked for a lona, fact.
We know you are an NVA alt - spin the above facts anyway you like - but why not just use your main to post already?
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2003.11.21 17:10:00 -
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This is a little annoying though; I have posted here that I basically agree with most of the facts as printed by Eve Guardian. The ship losses have been hard. We are fighting in cruisers more and more often. And Space Invaders are ruling the roost in Venal for the moment. We did give an order to our fleet not to risk engagement with Space Invaders pending a review of their tactics and capabilities.
I am (the last time I checked) SPOC for NVA press response. Hence me saying that the Eve Guardian interview was mostly cool should count for something shouldn't it?
I disagree with some of the editorial spin, sure, but I don't in a million years question Eve Guardian's right to make it.
I think the closing point about Evolution saving us in the civil war was inaccurate, but hey, thats what the response section of Eve Guardian is for.
I also think the stuff about us being ready to run was overdone ... but again, how would I know who Eve Guardian has spoken to? How would I know what they were told on the matter?
But more importantly.
We don't have a right to censor news just because its painful to read.
I support Eve Guardian 100% and though it may make me unpopular with some of my allies and friends for a bit, I think its very important to be honest about the situations we find ourselves in.
Now I don't think for one minute that Space Invaders will "win" and "conquer" venal. And I don't think NVA will lose.
But I certainly support the right of people and journalists to form opinions.
And I respect the time they spend adding content and interest to the Eve environment.
So if nothing else,
I would like Cerys and Eve Guardian to stop lumping NVA wholesale with detractors and trolls.
And for the record DB Preacher has a very good point.
I do get flamed continually by some very stupid people. If it made me quit they would have won.
Journalism is a hard profession, and journalists need thick skins.
(a bit like PR reps in fact)
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Cerys Ereint
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Posted - 2003.11.21 17:16:00 -
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Wrong Mork not an alt. Ive posted quite a bit over the last few months. I just think Cerys hasnt been very impartial in her reporting and I'm calling her on it. Shes obviously angry about something. Your attempting to make RONA into the next TTI is hilarious too. Just because they are wealthy doesnt mean they should fund the entire NVA defense effort. I wonder if Jade will lead a vote to kick them out to?
Calling me on it?
How about little miss NVA Alt tries first to show how the article is not impartial?
When you go out and get something more than a few froum posts as expereince and contacts and sources in game then come back.
In the meantime take your hate-filled little self away try to find some courage to post as yourself.
There are two, very simple, facts here:
1) the article is correct
2) the information and informants who gave the information deliberately lied.
Its pretty simple Miss-no-clue and neither of them involve any bias at all. So unless you have a shred of evidence other than alt-spin , shut up and dont come back.
I mean do you even know the meaning of impartial?
Can you just tell us all [b]PLEASE{/b] who I am showing bias to here? Because, honestly, I haven't got a frikkin clue who the hell I am supposed to be biased towards with this article.
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Maud Dib
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Posted - 2003.11.21 17:16:00 -
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I don't know why anybody would be short isk if they had their ships insured properly.
From my point of view Morkt things aren't so bad and are a lot better than they have been before.
I think why some people in the NVA get angry is because they heard the the NA was going to crush them. Then they heard Biomass was going to crush them. Now we hear SI is going to crush us. With all due respect to SI if they don't crush us is that the point where people stop assuming we are going to lose.
Even if you do interview several people in the NVA you still aren't getting fact you are getting a few peoples perceptions. Plenty of people in old earth thought that England was loosing the battle of Britain.
There are people in the NVA who aren't too bright just like everywhere else.
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