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Borachon GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 57	Posted - 2015.08.22 15:41:26 - [1] - Quote Testing the speed limit on SiSi, it's interaction with webs is broken. In particular: I created a snaked, unlinked daredevil that goes 6.5km/s unheated, 10km/s heated, and fitted it with an entisos link. I set it to orbit a rapier fit with a T2 (60%) web at 20 km. Unwebbed, the daredevil goes 4km/s as it should Webbed and unheated the daredevil goes 2600 m/s (40% * 6.5km/s), not 1600 m/s (40% * 4km/s) Webbed and heated, the daredevil does 4000 m/s (40% * 10km/s), not 1600 m/s (40% * 4km/s)
Athryn Bellee Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde 52	Posted - 2015.08.23 23:40:19 - [2] - Quote This is why they shouldn't bother with any speed limit shenanigans and just turn off any prop mods once the entosis is activated. I don't think any ship regardless of whatever implants and links they get are going to be going near 4km/s.
Bienator II madmen of the skies 3370	Posted - 2015.08.24 04:12:26 - [3] - Quote lets hope thats actually a bug and not one of those unfixable legacy code issues how to fix eve: 1) remove ECM 2) rename dampeners to ECM 3) add new anti-drone ewar for caldari 4) give offgrid boosters ongrid combat value

CCP Fozzie C C P C C P Alliance 13114	Posted - 2015.08.24 11:31:03 - [4] - Quote This is by design. It's a hard speed limit, not part of the other normal speed modifiers. Game Designer \| Team Five-0 https://twitter.com/CCP_Fozzie http://www.twitch.tv/ccp_fozzie/

Masaaq Soggy Biscuit. 23	Posted - 2015.08.24 12:28:47 - [5] - Quote Bring a Lachesis next time. Problem solved.
Max Kolonko WATAHA. Unseen Wolves 537	Posted - 2015.08.24 13:39:46 - [6] - Quote CCP Fozzie wrote: This is by design. It's a hard speed limit, not part of the other normal speed modifiers. Sorry fozzie, but that only confirms that design is flawed. Because it causes a module that would normally be effective against a ship becoming useless in this scenario. First of all this is issue not only when trying to catch ship entosising your structure but also when you try to catch the same ship on gate camp for exanple (if someone actually managed to point it) Using webs you expect a ship to slow down.this is not chance based module. There are no modules or effect (wh put aside) in game that changes how webs work (reduce effectiveness). But niw sudenly you remove its usefulness against particular ships. This goes against the goal of not interfere with tactics used for structure controll. Now you have to skip webs and try ships with longer scrams to catch them limiting effectively to ceptors ships that can be used to capture trollceptors. Read and support: Don't mess with OUR WH's What is Your stance on WH stuff?
Masaaq Soggy Biscuit. 23	Posted - 2015.08.24 14:59:46 - [7] - Quote Max Kolonko wrote: CCP Fozzie wrote: This is by design. It's a hard speed limit, not part of the other normal speed modifiers. Sorry fozzie, but that only confirms that design is flawed. Because it causes a module that would normally be effective against a ship becoming useless in this scenario. First of all this is issue not only when trying to catch ship entosising your structure but also when you try to catch the same ship on gate camp for exanple (if someone actually managed to point it) Using webs you expect a ship to slow down.this is not chance based module. There are no modules or effect (wh put aside) in game that changes how webs work (reduce effectiveness). But niw sudenly you remove its usefulness against particular ships. This goes against the goal of not interfere with tactics used for structure controll. Now you have to skip webs and try ships with longer scrams to catch them limiting effectively to ceptors ships that can be used to capture trollceptors. Or you just bring a ship that moves at 4,001m/s with a scram and web.
Borachon GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 63	Posted - 2015.08.24 15:14:47 - [8] - Quote Masaaq wrote: Bring a Lachesis next time. Problem solved. Using the same mechanics, you can also make a Phantasm setup that goes 4k when fitted with a T2 entosis link and still goes 4kms when hit by a scram and a T2 web.
Bronson Hughes The Knights of the Blessed Mother of Acceleration 2239	Posted - 2015.08.24 15:22:05 - [9] - Quote CCP Fozzie wrote: This is by design. It's a hard speed limit, not part of the other normal speed modifiers. If this is by design then it can be easily changed. Arbitrary hard caps that fall outside of regular speed mechanics seems like a contrived solution that will be abused by Trollceptor 2.0 instead of achieving your goal of requiring attackers to commit to an entosis attempt. Seriously CCP, just up the fitting requirements so that only a battlecruiser or battleship can fit them easily. You'll do away with trolling entosis attempts and you'll revitalize battlecruiser and battleship fleets at the same time. It isn't rocket science. Relatively Notorious By Association My Many Misadventures A brief history of C&P Thunderdome
Kenneth Feld Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion 292	Posted - 2015.08.24 15:53:28 - [10] - Quote Borachon wrote: Testing the speed limit on SiSi, it's interaction with webs is broken. In particular: I created a snaked, unlinked daredevil that goes 6.5km/s unheated, 10km/s heated, and fitted it with an entisos link. I set it to orbit a rapier fit with a T2 (60%) web at 20 km. Unwebbed, the daredevil goes 4km/s as it should Webbed and unheated the daredevil goes 2600 m/s (40% * 6.5km/s), not 1600 m/s (40% * 4km/s) Webbed and heated, the daredevil does 4000 m/s (40% * 10km/s), not 1600 m/s (40% * 4km/s) tl;dr: Under the current speed limit mechanics, you can create ships that go 4km/s when fit with an entosis link fit, and still goes 4km/s even after being hit with a 60% stasis web. What happens when you fit the rapier with a pair of fed navy webs like you should have from the beginning?
Theophilas Love Squad Confederation of xXPIZZAXx 35	Posted - 2015.08.24 15:54:03 - [11] - Quote CCP Fozzie wrote: This is by design. It's a hard speed limit, not part of the other normal speed modifiers. I just picture you sitting there behind your keyboard with that smug ** eating grin you always have on your fat little face whenever you up something, knowing you are dead ass wrong, but refusing to admit it... and my blood is boiling because I just KNOW this is getting pushed live anyways regardless of it being ** up and there is nothing I can do to stop it at all and no amount of pointing it out is going to stop you... Also, I don't know what is up with these BS fast release cycles, but this is getting ridiculous how FAST broken things are being put in place. Why even have a test server at this point? Just put ** live on tranquility and who cares, since that is effectively what you are doing anyways.
Nartel Vortok Love Squad Confederation of xXPIZZAXx 70	Posted - 2015.08.24 15:55:07 - [12] - Quote Kenneth Feld wrote: Borachon wrote: Testing the speed limit on SiSi, it's interaction with webs is broken. In particular: I created a snaked, unlinked daredevil that goes 6.5km/s unheated, 10km/s heated, and fitted it with an entisos link. I set it to orbit a rapier fit with a T2 (60%) web at 20 km. Unwebbed, the daredevil goes 4km/s as it should Webbed and unheated the daredevil goes 2600 m/s (40% * 6.5km/s), not 1600 m/s (40% * 4km/s) Webbed and heated, the daredevil does 4000 m/s (40% * 10km/s), not 1600 m/s (40% * 4km/s) tl;dr: Under the current speed limit mechanics, you can create ships that go 4km/s when fit with an entosis link fit, and still goes 4km/s even after being hit with a 60% stasis web. What happens when you fit the rapier with a pair of fed navy webs like you should have from the beginning? The same thing because they are both -60% ?
Bronson Hughes The Knights of the Blessed Mother of Acceleration 2240	Posted - 2015.08.24 15:55:55 - [13] - Quote Kenneth Feld wrote: What happens when you fit the rapier with a pair of fed navy webs like you should have from the beginning? The bigger question should be what happens to sov warfare when a faction-fited Rapier becomes a de-facto tool to defend sov from trolling attacks? Relatively Notorious By Association My Many Misadventures A brief history of C&P Thunderdome
Tappits North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion 174	Posted - 2015.08.24 15:59:36 - [14] - Quote CCP Fozzie wrote: This is by design. It's a hard speed limit, not part of the other normal speed modifiers. Seems fine to me. its not like the 7-8k/s+ ships were not dieing anyway.
Talbrys Narentyr Nex Exercitus Northern Coalition. 4	Posted - 2015.08.24 15:59:39 - [15] - Quote Nartel Vortok wrote: Kenneth Feld wrote: Borachon wrote: Testing the speed limit on SiSi, it's interaction with webs is broken. In particular: I created a snaked, unlinked daredevil that goes 6.5km/s unheated, 10km/s heated, and fitted it with an entisos link. I set it to orbit a rapier fit with a T2 (60%) web at 20 km. Unwebbed, the daredevil goes 4km/s as it should Webbed and unheated the daredevil goes 2600 m/s (40% * 6.5km/s), not 1600 m/s (40% * 4km/s) Webbed and heated, the daredevil does 4000 m/s (40% * 10km/s), not 1600 m/s (40% * 4km/s) tl;dr: Under the current speed limit mechanics, you can create ships that go 4km/s when fit with an entosis link fit, and still goes 4km/s even after being hit with a 60% stasis web. What happens when you fit the rapier with a pair of fed navy webs like you should have from the beginning? The same thing because they are both -60% ? Are you actually that ******** or just pretending? You use both at the same time, bringing it down to 1600m/s heated, 1040m/s unheated.
Kenneth Feld Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion 292	Posted - 2015.08.24 16:01:03 - [16] - Quote Bronson Hughes wrote: Kenneth Feld wrote: What happens when you fit the rapier with a pair of fed navy webs like you should have from the beginning? The bigger question should be what happens to sov warfare when a faction-fited Rapier becomes a de-facto tool to defend sov from trolling attacks? T2 is the same 60%, just less range So, OK, lets assume T2 What happens when you fit 2 T2 like you should have from the beginning?
Kenneth Feld Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion 292	Posted - 2015.08.24 16:01:51 - [17] - Quote Nartel Vortok wrote: Kenneth Feld wrote: Borachon wrote: Testing the speed limit on SiSi, it's interaction with webs is broken. In particular: I created a snaked, unlinked daredevil that goes 6.5km/s unheated, 10km/s heated, and fitted it with an entisos link. I set it to orbit a rapier fit with a T2 (60%) web at 20 km. Unwebbed, the daredevil goes 4km/s as it should Webbed and unheated the daredevil goes 2600 m/s (40% * 6.5km/s), not 1600 m/s (40% * 4km/s) Webbed and heated, the daredevil does 4000 m/s (40% * 10km/s), not 1600 m/s (40% * 4km/s) tl;dr: Under the current speed limit mechanics, you can create ships that go 4km/s when fit with an entosis link fit, and still goes 4km/s even after being hit with a 60% stasis web. What happens when you fit the rapier with a pair of fed navy webs like you should have from the beginning? The same thing because they are both -60% ? Did you really just answer that with that statement..... Please just uninstall the client now......
captain foivos State War Academy Caldari State 283	Posted - 2015.08.24 16:03:30 - [18] - Quote CCP Fozzie wrote: This is by design. It's a hard speed limit, not part of the other normal speed modifiers. "feature"
Bronson Hughes The Knights of the Blessed Mother of Acceleration 2242	Posted - 2015.08.24 16:04:41 - [19] - Quote Kenneth Feld wrote: Bronson Hughes wrote: Kenneth Feld wrote: What happens when you fit the rapier with a pair of fed navy webs like you should have from the beginning? The bigger question should be what happens to sov warfare when a faction-fited Rapier becomes a de-facto tool to defend sov from trolling attacks? T2 is the same 60%, just less range So, OK, lets assume T2 What happens when you fit 2 T2 like you should have from the beginning? I was assuming that the range was actually beneficial given the mechanics involved and the Rapier's web range bonus, but my point is the same regardless. Let me broaden my question somewhat: What happens to sov warfare when the ability to apply speed control to hostile fast-movers becomes the de-facto tool to defend sov from trolling attacks? Relatively Notorious By Association My Many Misadventures A brief history of C&P Thunderdome
captain foivos State War Academy Caldari State 283	Posted - 2015.08.24 16:05:44 - [20] - Quote CCP Fozzie wrote: This is by design. It's a hard speed limit, not part of the other normal speed modifiers. are you incapable of comprehending the problem that the speed limit was asked for as a solution or do you just have an undying hard-on for frigates and T3 destroyers to be the only classes of ship worth flying in this game these are serious questions
Porucznik Borewicz Love Squad Confederation of xXPIZZAXx 42	Posted - 2015.08.24 16:06:42 - [21] - Quote CCP Fozzie wrote: This is by design. It's a hard speed limit, not part of the other normal speed modifiers. Works as intended. Move along.
Kenneth Feld Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion 293	Posted - 2015.08.24 16:12:21 - [22] - Quote Bronson Hughes wrote: Kenneth Feld wrote: Bronson Hughes wrote: Kenneth Feld wrote: What happens when you fit the rapier with a pair of fed navy webs like you should have from the beginning? The bigger question should be what happens to sov warfare when a faction-fited Rapier becomes a de-facto tool to defend sov from trolling attacks? T2 is the same 60%, just less range So, OK, lets assume T2 What happens when you fit 2 T2 like you should have from the beginning? I was assuming that the range was actually beneficial given the mechanics involved and the Rapier's web range bonus, but my point is the same regardless. Let me broaden my question somewhat: What happens to sov warfare when the ability to apply speed control to hostile fast-movers becomes the de-facto tool to defend sov from trolling attacks? Well, we pretty much have a web loki in every fleet, i know from experience, you guys have huggins Where does it say, "I should be able to undock and blap whatever is entosising in 20 seconds and get back to krabbing" I must have missed that part of sov is for bears 101
Masaaq Soggy Biscuit. 23	Posted - 2015.08.24 16:12:41 - [23] - Quote Borachon wrote: Masaaq wrote: Bring a Lachesis next time. Problem solved. Using the same mechanics, you can also make a Phantasm setup that goes 4k when fitted with a T2 entosis link and still goes 4kms when hit by a scram and a T2 web. EDIT: An example of such a fit Hyena says "Hi!"
Borachon GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 66	Posted - 2015.08.24 16:14:58 - [24] - Quote Kenneth Feld wrote: Bronson Hughes wrote: Kenneth Feld wrote: What happens when you fit the rapier with a pair of fed navy webs like you should have from the beginning? The bigger question should be what happens to sov warfare when a faction-fited Rapier becomes a de-facto tool to defend sov from trolling attacks? T2 is the same 60%, just less range So, OK, lets assume T2 What happens when you fit 2 T2 like you should have from the beginning? Multiple webs reduce the speed more, but stacking penalties also start to kick in and are less effective. For example, a 500mn vaga hit by two T2 webs can still go 3700m/s heated, and with three webs 2500m/s heated. A scram would obviously shut it down, however. Let me be clear - I'm not arguing on either side of the Galatea speed limit as a sov fix here. I'm just asking about the whether this interaction is as designed or the result of, for example, having to use legacy systems to get it in place that could perhaps be fixed in the future. Thanks for the clarification that this is the intended effect, Fozzie.
Bronson Hughes The Knights of the Blessed Mother of Acceleration 2242	Posted - 2015.08.24 16:17:06 - [25] - Quote Kenneth Feld wrote: Well, we pretty much have a web loki in every fleet, i know from experience, you guys have huggins Where does it say, "I should be able to undock and blap whatever is entosising in 20 seconds and get back to krabbing" I must have missed that part of sov is for bears 101 I'm asking from the standpoint of an outsider. I haven't lived in nullsec in years, I operate an independent Empire-space corp, and I can't even fly T2 Minmatar cruisers. My point was that, from a gameplay standpoint, making entosis mechanics all about speed seems rather one-dimensional. I would imagine that requiring a more diverse offensive force would make for more entertaining battles. Relatively Notorious By Association My Many Misadventures A brief history of C&P Thunderdome
Kenneth Feld Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion 293	Posted - 2015.08.24 16:17:44 - [26] - Quote Borachon wrote: Kenneth Feld wrote: Bronson Hughes wrote: Kenneth Feld wrote: What happens when you fit the rapier with a pair of fed navy webs like you should have from the beginning? The bigger question should be what happens to sov warfare when a faction-fited Rapier becomes a de-facto tool to defend sov from trolling attacks? T2 is the same 60%, just less range So, OK, lets assume T2 What happens when you fit 2 T2 like you should have from the beginning? Multiple webs reduce the speed more, but stacking penalties also start to kick in and are less effective. For example, a 500mn vaga hit by two T2 webs can still go 3700m/s heated, and with three webs 2500m/s heated. A scram would obviously shut it down, however. Let me be clear - I'm not arguing on either side of the Galatea speed limit as a sov fix here. I'm just asking about the whether this interaction is as designed or the result of, for example, having to use legacy systems to get it in place that could perhaps be fixed in the future. Thanks for the clarification that this is the intended effect, Fozzie. I'm not arguing one way or the other either...... I merely pointed out, that if you fit a rapier with a single web to try and use that as a reference to slow down a ship, that is almost pointless Every rapier, huginn and loki should have 2 fitted for sure
Borachon GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 66	Posted - 2015.08.24 16:30:50 - [27] - Quote Kenneth Feld wrote: [ Every rapier, huginn and loki should have 2 fitted for sure Mine certainly do. :) The stacking penalty on the second web is modest enough that its not too severe, but is still non-trivial. In the original daredevil example, two webs make it go 2000 m/s, as opposed to the 1600m/s it would go if the second web wasn't stacking penalized or the 800m/s it would go if the two webs applied to the 4km/s speed limit, not the 10km/s top speed.
Morwen Lagann Tyrathlion Interstellar 1561	Posted - 2015.08.24 17:13:46 - [28] - Quote captain foivos wrote: CCP Fozzie wrote: This is by design. It's a hard speed limit, not part of the other normal speed modifiers. "feature" Cynosural field generators have a similar speed limit stat, only for those the limit prevents the module from being activated, rather than limiting the top speed of the ship just by being fitted. Why does OP only have one web on his Rapier anyway? A second web would affect it, and if you're chasing after it with a non-Entosis interceptor or tackle frigate you should be able to catch up to it and shut off its MWD and not need the web in the first place. Morwen Lagann CEO, Tyrathlion Interstellar Owner, The Golden Masque
Borachon GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 66	Posted - 2015.08.24 21:03:43 - [29] - Quote Morwen Lagann wrote: Why does OP only have one web on his Rapier anyway? A second web would affect it, and if you're chasing after it with a non-Entosis interceptor or tackle frigate you should be able to catch up to it and shut off its MWD and not need the web in the first place. OP had two webs on his rapier, but posted what he did because he his main goal was to test how a new game feature interacted with existing game features and report the results. Fozzie clarified that thiis is indeed what was intended. Fin.
Kibitt Kallinikov Crimson Serpent Syndicate Heiian Conglomerate 4	Posted - 2015.08.24 21:15:20 - [30] - Quote It was my understanding that the entosis link continues its current cycle even if you burn out of its effective range, meaning you cannot warp away. If you really don't like frigates with t1 entosis links being able to disengage, why not make a falloff range for entosis where your speed drops down to, say, 15% of its normal value? This way, you can still inch your way back to try and get your speed, but you aren't going to just fly off into the sunset. I don't think this would really implact t2 entosis links, and I'm sure there are unintended consequences of such a change, but it sounds like that is what most people are asking for.
Borachon GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 66	Posted - 2015.08.24 21:19:27 - [31] - Quote ISD, issue raised in original post asked and answered by dev. Suggest locking thread and referring people who want to debate aegis sov tweaks to appropriate thread in F&I forum.
Niraia Nocturnal Romance Cynosural Field Theory. 333	Posted - 2015.08.24 21:30:24 - [32] - Quote CCP Fozzie wrote: This is by design. lol Niraia EVE Online Hold'Em
Andreus Ixiris Duty. 5754	Posted - 2015.08.24 21:58:09 - [33] - Quote Theophilas wrote: CCP Fozzie wrote: This is by design. It's a hard speed limit, not part of the other normal speed modifiers. I just picture you sitting there behind your keyboard with that smug sh1t eating grin you always have on your fat little face whenever you fck up something, knowing you are dead ass wrong, but refusing to admit it... and my blood is boiling because I just KNOW this sht is getting pushed live anyways regardless of it being fcked up and there is nothing I can do to stop it at all and no amount of pointing it out is going to stop you... Also, I don't know what is up with these BS fast release cycles, but this is getting ridiculous how FAST broken things are being put in place. Why even have a test server at this point? Just put sht live on tranquility and who cares, since that is effectively what you are doing anyways. You described my feelings on both Fozzie and the changes he makes to the game so well I actually had to check whether I'd made a post and then forgotten about it. Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all. Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus. Andreus Ixiris > ... Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.
Somal Thunder V0LTA Triumvirate. 26	Posted - 2015.08.24 22:05:31 - [34] - Quote You can fit a Vigilant to 10km/s without links or snakes. That's -6km/s radial velocity on your target which means that in 60 seconds you can close 360km from your target provided that the target is flying in a straight line. But the Vigilant is expensive and the target might not fly in a straight line at all. A Daredevil can do 7.3k unlinked and unsnaked and applies 90% webs as well for a fraction of the price. A Hyena is slower but cheaper and benefits from the additional range. The point is that there are still reasonably cheap counters to what you're complaining about that don't require links or snakes, so if someone in snakes goes to entosis your **** you can just bring a couple of daredevils or a vigilant or decloak some rapiers or something. Stop whining about it.
LivedeviL Pwn 'N Play Black Legion. 0	Posted - 2015.08.24 22:05:37 - [35] - Quote Andreus Ixiris wrote: Theophilas wrote: CCP Fozzie wrote: This is by design. It's a hard speed limit, not part of the other normal speed modifiers. I just picture you sitting there behind your keyboard with that smug sh1t eating grin you always have on your fat little face whenever you fck up something, knowing you are dead ass wrong, but refusing to admit it... and my blood is boiling because I just KNOW this sht is getting pushed live anyways regardless of it being fcked up and there is nothing I can do to stop it at all and no amount of pointing it out is going to stop you... Also, I don't know what is up with these BS fast release cycles, but this is getting ridiculous how FAST broken things are being put in place. Why even have a test server at this point? Just put sht live on tranquility and who cares, since that is effectively what you are doing anyways. You described my feelings on both Fozzie and the changes he makes to the game so well I actually had to check whether I'd made a post and then forgotten about it. I couldn't of put it better myself, killing this game!!!
Arla Sarain 616	Posted - 2015.08.24 22:22:49 - [36] - Quote "Double webs is not real peoples" That said, didn't CCP say something about how they expected Entosis links to be deployed at the end of an engagement, when the grid was secured? Why would you need speed for such an occasion? On one side, all the nullsec crabbers are hilariously upset they have to press not JUST F1, but also F2, and maybe F3. On the other side, CCP is not very honest with themselves. Invest into corn, demand should be high with all this entertainment abound...
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative. 16969	Posted - 2015.08.24 23:31:40 - [37] - Quote Borachon wrote: Testing the speed limit on SiSi, it's interaction with webs is broken. In particular: I created a snaked, unlinked daredevil that goes 6.5km/s unheated, 10km/s heated, and fitted it with an entisos link. I set it to orbit a rapier fit with a T2 (60%) web at 20 km. Unwebbed, the daredevil goes 4km/s as it should Webbed and unheated the daredevil goes 2600 m/s (40% * 6.5km/s), not 1600 m/s (40% * 4km/s) Webbed and heated, the daredevil does 4000 m/s (40% * 10km/s), not 1600 m/s (40% * 4km/s) tl;dr: Under the current speed limit mechanics, you can create ships that go 4km/s when fit with an entosis link fit, and still goes 4km/s even after being hit with a 60% stasis web. OK I guess you worked out what a speed cap means. "It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his ISK/hr depends upon his not understanding it!"
Thirdsin The Red Island Foundation Shadow Cartel 28	Posted - 2015.08.24 23:49:17 - [38] - Quote shrugs the NaCl off his shoulder I'd really wish CCP might reconsider this classification of 'feature' rather than 'bug'. Super fun time! I'll provide the lore behind CCPs currently rational as 'feature'. Ready? Go! Quote: Once online, the entosis module creates a quantum fluctuation that permeates through the vessel and anything touching it. As far as Carthum Conglomerate scientists can determine, this quantum fluctuation seems to interact with dark matter in space causing drag when approaching speeds of 4,000m/s. It is theorized that a vessel reaching a speed more than 4,000m/s would risk the front of the vessel being sheered off, spaghettified, or being delivered to a different temporal location as this interaction would violate the laws of Newtonian gravity.
Jennifer Maxwell Crimson Serpent Syndicate Heiian Conglomerate 316	Posted - 2015.08.25 00:43:45 - [39] - Quote Theophilas wrote: CCP Fozzie wrote: This is by design. It's a hard speed limit, not part of the other normal speed modifiers. I just picture you sitting there behind your keyboard with that smug sh1t eating grin you always have on your fat little face whenever you fck up something, knowing you are dead ass wrong, but refusing to admit it... and my blood is boiling because I just KNOW this sht is getting pushed live anyways regardless of it being fcked up and there is nothing I can do to stop it at all and no amount of pointing it out is going to stop you... Also, I don't know what is up with these BS fast release cycles, but this is getting ridiculous how FAST broken things are being put in place. Why even have a test server at this point? Just put sht live on tranquility and who cares, since that is effectively what you are doing anyways. It makes me happy seeing how mad this makes you. Please, tell me more about why you're mad.
Skia Aumer Planetary Harvesting and Processing LLC Desman Alliance 184	Posted - 2015.08.25 05:33:07 - [40] - Quote CCP Fozzie wrote: This is by design. This question was asked in the original feedback thread. It wasnt answered there, but it's answered here. For me, it proves that devs value bug-reports much more than the genuine feedback. Message received, thanks.
Skia Aumer Planetary Harvesting and Processing LLC Desman Alliance 184	Posted - 2015.08.25 05:54:22 - [41] - Quote Theophilas wrote: I just picture you sitting there behind your keyboard with that smug sh1t eating grin you always have on your fat little face whenever you fck up something, knowing you are dead ass wrong, but refusing to admit it... and my blood is boiling because I just KNOW this sht is getting pushed live anyways regardless of it being fcked up and there is nothing I can do to stop it at all and no amount of pointing it out is going to stop you... Also, I don't know what is up with these BS fast release cycles, but this is getting ridiculous how FAST broken things are being put in place. Why even have a test server at this point? Just put sht live on tranquility and who cares, since that is effectively what you are doing anyways. I'd choose other words, but still. Fast release cycle has it's drawbacks and that drawbacks seems to outweigh the benefits. This, and new players experience - for the sake of which the game is being turned into theme park.
Skia Aumer Planetary Harvesting and Processing LLC Desman Alliance 184	Posted - 2015.08.25 06:09:27 - [42] - Quote Kenneth Feld wrote: Well, we pretty much have a web loki in every fleet, i know from experience, you guys have huggins Where does it say, "I should be able to undock and blap whatever is entosising in 20 seconds and get back to krabbing" I must have missed that part of sov is for bears 101 Get your own sov first. Then I may allow you to have an opinion. ("First have it" must be the point that harmonizes really well with an avarage PL member, as they use it in every discussion topic regarding capital ships. So I just drop it here.)
Bienator II madmen of the skies 3371	Posted - 2015.08.25 06:09:29 - [43] - Quote CCP Fozzie wrote: This is by design. It's a hard speed limit, not part of the other normal speed modifiers. translation: we couldn't actually implement that properly so we added yet another quick hack to the legacy code to meet the requirements even though it behaves differently to everything else in the game. how to fix eve: 1) remove ECM 2) rename dampeners to ECM 3) add new anti-drone ewar for caldari 4) give offgrid boosters ongrid combat value
Skia Aumer Planetary Harvesting and Processing LLC Desman Alliance 184	Posted - 2015.08.25 06:25:19 - [44] - Quote CCP Fozzie wrote: This is by design. It's a hard speed limit, not part of the other normal speed modifiers. Also, when you see some-one moving 4km/s, and you put a web on him - but he still moves 4km/s... well, that is confusing. For newbies especially. Not good for NPE, just saying.
Amarisen Gream Divine Demise Apocalypse Now. 107	Posted - 2015.08.25 07:49:15 - [45] - Quote So, when do we all march on Jita and demand Fozzie's head??? xoxo Amarisen Gream
Skia Aumer Planetary Harvesting and Processing LLC Desman Alliance 184	Posted - 2015.08.25 07:56:47 - [46] - Quote Amarisen Gream wrote: So, when do we all march on Jita and demand Fozzie's head??? After we see capship rebalance.
Mona Kasenumi Wrong Cyno Brothers of Tangra 4	Posted - 2015.08.25 09:43:21 - [47] - Quote I think that the description is pretty clear and really is working as intended. Its a speed limit = you can't go past 4000 in whatever situation.
Masao Kurata Perkone Caldari State 267	Posted - 2015.08.25 13:02:51 - [48] - Quote Guys I hear that scrams deactivate mwds and can be fitted to ships that go faster than 4kmps so I have this crazy idea...
PotatoOverdose Royal Black Watch Highlanders DARKNESS. 2693	Posted - 2015.08.25 17:45:19 - [49] - Quote CCP Fozzie wrote: This is by design. It's a hard speed limit, not part of the other normal speed modifiers. Dude....seriously? Since the introduction of the new sov system, sov related combat has shifted overwhelmingly toward frig and dessie hulls. If I wanted that I'd play fac war - it pays better than sov. Also, many people leave fac war because, longterm, being limited to low-risk frigs and dessies becomes stale. When the same happens to sov, one has to ask the question: where do those players go to find the content they once enjoyed, the content eve no longer provides on a regular basis?
Artemis Dalvik Arxersize Industries 12	Posted - 2015.08.25 20:04:29 - [50] - Quote Fozzie can we talk? Seriously, please reach out to me.
ISD Dorrim Barstorlode ISD Community Communications Liaisons 6279	Posted - 2015.08.25 20:39:12 - [51] - Quote Removed a personal attack. ISD Dorrim Barstorlode Vice Admiral Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department

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