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Neph
Operation Meatshield
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Posted - 2015.08.24 19:34:22 -
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I just finished fitting a dozen breachers, and interacting, working, and eating with the crew members that will be operating these ships has been... sobering, to say the least. They talk and act like they're immortal. Surely they know how slim their chances of survival is aboard lowsec capsuleer frigs? Most of them say they're in it for the money, or for the family compensation packages. Morbid.
Having been baseliner crew myself, and having had family that was crew for capsuleers, I guess it doesn't strike me as at all odd that so many capsuleers were once capsuleer crew. I've always known, at least somewhat personally, the crew of my ships. Admittedly, the crew of my Caldari ships, being both fewer in number and provided by the station corporation, are generally much less social than Matari crew I've had. Either way, I try not to make friends. Eating with them is satisfying, though there's always the kid that wasn't told the captain was a capsuleer.
Does anybody else interact face-to-face with their crew? |
Utari Onzo
Praetorian Auxiliary Force Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
650
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Posted - 2015.08.24 19:37:30 -
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Morning training sessions with full shake down in the hangar for each ship class every week day from 06:00 - 11:00. I tend to walk among the crew out of the pod at this time and check in that they're maintaining their combat readiness. I pay particular attention to crews of my Guardians and Battleships as they don't get to fly often, so need extra care in training to avoid perishible skills fading.
I'm a strict, but fair, captain and expect my crew to keep up with demands. In return, they get fair pay for the risks they face and a generous offshore leave package after a one month probation.
"Face the enemy as a solid wall
For faith is your armor
And through it, the enemy will find no breach
Wrap your arms around the enemy
For faith is your fire
And with it, burn away his evil"
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Saede Riordan
Alexylva Paradox Low-Class
7768
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Posted - 2015.08.24 20:00:52 -
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As a Multiple I have a bit more presence with my crew then most capsuleers. I keep one of my bodies aboard the ship I'm piloting to interface with the crew and conduct affairs that would be more difficult were I trapped in the pod.
And their survival chances don't have to be slim. I've had my crew for years, and I expect to have the majority of them for years to come, regardless of the fate of the ship they're serving aboard. With a small investment into a Slingshot cloning system, your entire crew can be safely backed up in case of your ship's destruction. For only 1 million ISK, you can ensure your crew's continued survival, and save money on training due to the reduced turnover rate.
You can accept death, or you can get to work, and do something about it.
Fear and Loathing in Internet Spaceships
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Rauour Engil
Rabies Inc.
10
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Posted - 2015.08.24 21:24:05 -
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Neph wrote:Does anybody else interact face-to-face with their crew? Yeah all our directors do to varying degrees. I and Theresr were PTI's in Mordus so we run a fitness program based around functional movement and mobility for all the crews. The board sponsor an annual games. Heather and Slaughter are ex-ISS Navy so they gave us a free hand to get the program set-up. I also teach a movement and breath based technique which involves mindfully moving from pose to pose while controlling your breath. It helps with building strength but most of all, focus and concentration. There's a spiritual side to that as well but that's probably a story for another time.
We haven't lost any ships for a long time as the corporation is only really operating in high-sec right now, well, except for when we're doing something covert in low-sec. Slaughter visits null, mainly via clone and the crews out there are typically elite covert ops or custom frigate based. I think they've mainly been partying in station or planetside the last couple of years on full salary retainers!
I was reading about what Alexylva Paradox Corp have been doing at Origin in the way of developing cloning capabilities for their crews. I think it's a fantastic idea. Preserve life and consciousness wherever possible.
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Nauplius
Hoi Andrapodistai
492
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Posted - 2015.08.24 21:43:58 -
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Yes. I chain them, I collar them, I stuff them full of Vitoc. I whip them, I chip them, I brainwash them, and then I sacrifice them to the Red God. Amen. Amarr Victor. |
Foley Aberas Jones
Huogikku Corporation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
382
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Posted - 2015.08.24 21:57:22 -
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Nauplius wrote:Yes. I chain them, I collar them, I stuff them full of Vitoc. I whip them, I chip them, I brainwash them, and then I sacrifice them to the Red God. Amen. Amarr Victor. NOW THATS EDGY! |
Max Singularity
House Singularity Sixth Empire
385
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Posted - 2015.08.24 22:15:51 -
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I beg them to leave. Never to board my ships. I only pay them for 10 missions then I force them to retire with enough to do well for the rest of their life. But they are fools. They gamble their lives away. I cannot morn for them, but celebrate their freedom to choose how to live, or die.
Still though... I beg them to leave.
Harbinger of Faith his Holiness Maximilian Singularity of the Sixth Empire, Pope of New Eden
-First of his name- The Six Proclamations
((The Meta Show - Video Interview))
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Kontrahage
Imperial Dreams Curatores Veritatis Alliance
140
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Posted - 2015.08.24 23:13:04 -
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Max Singularity wrote:I beg them to leave. Never to board my ships. I only pay them for 10 missions then I force them to retire with enough to do well for the rest of their life. But they are fools. They gamble their lives away. I cannot morn for them, but celebrate their freedom to choose how to live, or die.
Still though... I beg them to leave.
How can I picture this?
"Please don't join my crew, I beg you! But if you do I'll give you a lot of money." ?
Convincing.
At least Nauplius doesn't hide his heresy and lack of conscience. I beging to think he might be less deranged than you. |
Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1244
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Posted - 2015.08.24 23:30:54 -
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Kontrahage wrote:How can I picture this?
It's actually not as insane as you seem to imagine. Warning people of the dangers of a hazardous job, while still being willing to pay a high enough wage to make many people consider it worth the risk isn't at all uncommon. Many dangerous positions in heavy industrial areas that can't be taken by drones pay similarly well. The idea is that the warnings will filter out the people who were unaware of the risks, and the high rate of pay is intended to entice the highly skilled. On some primitive settlements, petroleum extraction - especially offshore - is a similar situation. |
Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
1965
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Posted - 2015.08.24 23:42:41 -
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Nauplius wrote:Yes. I chain them, I collar them, I stuff them full of Vitoc. I whip them, I chip them, I brainwash them, and then I sacrifice them to the Red God. Amen. Amarr Victor. Now I see the reason of your poor performance in space. |
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Neph
Operation Meatshield
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Posted - 2015.08.24 23:45:48 -
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Nauplius wrote:Yes. I chain them, I collar them, I stuff them full of Vitoc. I whip them, I chip them, I brainwash them, and then I sacrifice them to the Red God. Amen. Amarr Victor.
And so many are fond of calling the Matari barbaric swine. |
Aria Jenneth
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Multicultural F1 Brigade
1468
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Posted - 2015.08.24 23:47:35 -
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Nauplius wrote:Yes. I chain them, I collar them, I stuff them full of Vitoc. I whip them, I chip them, I brainwash them, and then I sacrifice them to the Red God. Amen. Amarr Victor. "And bwahahaha." |
Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
1967
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Posted - 2015.08.24 23:53:02 -
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As for the subject, I participate in following head-to-head interactions with my crew:
Periodical drills. Philosophical talks. Screening on compatibility with space work and reliability. Sorting out payment bonuses and rank ups. Solving problems and conflicts. Sparring. |
Markus Error
Her Majesty's Crown Corporation
60
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Posted - 2015.08.25 00:07:23 -
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Fairly regularly... I tend to spend most of my time, when not in hte pod, aboard my Thrasher. I try to get out into the station fairly regularly, too... I like to think I'm a bit more interactive than many capsuleers.
"The spirits are not the wise elders many are led to believe. The spirits are not the almighty. The spirits are not our gods, nor our inferiors; they are our companions. And with them, the will of the Minmatar is unbreakable." -The Shaman's Way
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Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1247
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Posted - 2015.08.25 00:37:27 -
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As I mentioned in the other thread, I maintain non-pod quarters on all of my ships. I know most of us tend to go to low-alpha activity in the pod - I certainly did, earlier in my career - but I don't sleep well in the pod anymore. Being immersed as I lower activity... stirs old memories. So whenever I can, I sleep in a bed, like any baseliner.
As a result, when things are calm, I take my meals in the mess, socialize with the crew, assist with the maintenance... especially my primary crews, those on my Scimitar-class cruiser, Thundersaint, and my Nidhoggur, the Sinnebago. There are a few crewmembers who've tried to get my attention for.. other things... but really, who has the time? |
Foley Aberas Jones
Huogikku Corporation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
384
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Posted - 2015.08.25 00:40:23 -
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Max Singularity wrote:I beg them to leave. Never to board my ships. I only pay them for 10 missions then I force them to retire with enough to do well for the rest of their life. But they are fools. They gamble their lives away. I cannot morn for them, but celebrate their freedom to choose how to live, or die.
Still though... I beg them to leave.
God dammit Max you are not gonna be emperor now stop trying to make yourself look noble
**** |
Simon Louvaki
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
691
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Posted - 2015.08.25 00:58:26 -
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"A destiny of light awaits, they say Those who rise above to meet The winged Gods, but stay You are safer on your feet
Walk the land and breathe the air Pick the fruit and take a wife What awaits you in the void Is not a happy life" - Dreams of Yasur
I demand that every perspective hire read this poem, require they understand it, before I ever allow them to sign a contract aboard any of my vessels. I dare say I spend more time out of my pod, even in space, than I do in. To see the faces of my crew, to hear their voices with my own ears and to enjoy their company, not just their being, I find keeps me sane and human.
-- "The weak of mind are quick to judge with slightest tempt;
Thus fools go forth to spread false word." - The Scriptures, Book of Trials 2:13 - 2:21
--"At the narrow passage, there is no brother and no friend." - Hyasyoda Proverb
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Elmund Egivand
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
638
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Posted - 2015.08.25 01:12:03 -
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I usually polish their chassis, tighten their bolts and grease their joints personally whenever I have time.
I also regularly check the condition of their hydrogen batteries, perform cache dumps on their mother nodes, replenish their supply of soldner, bolts and etc.
At times a crew member isn't performing properly and I had to disassemble him to figure out what's wrong with him. Usually, when he walks funny, it's usually because some kind of knot has formed in his nanocarbon-fibre muscles, so I have to straighten that out by hand.
Evergreen ~ Evergreen ~ Evergreen ~ EVERGREEN ~ Evergreen ~ Evergreen ~Evergreen ~ Family
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Aria Jenneth
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Multicultural F1 Brigade
1469
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Posted - 2015.08.25 01:50:28 -
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This might seem a little odd coming from me, but I really don't.
I don't fraternize. Not at all.
There are a few reasons for this.
* As a capsuleer, I don't pilot by issuing verbal commands, but by will. It is not necessary for me to maintain a relationship with my crew.
* I am a combat pilot and routinely go into situations that could prove deadly to anyone with me. If I get to know them, I will worry about them, which will compromise my effectiveness and increase their danger. Keeping a level head in combat is difficult enough as it is.
* Human though they are, they are components of the ship I ... I guess the term would be "possess." They are part of me, unseen, unfelt. If I get to know them, it will be more difficult to forget that I'm one small woman in a structure the size of a large building, and not the ship itself. My performance will suffer. They'll be more likely to die.
* I also can't get to value my own ship or crew above those of my comrades, or I may be unwilling to sacrifice my ship for one of my comrades' vessels-- even a much larger one.
* Ultimately, the ship's interior isn't my domain, and I gather I can be a kind of unsettling person. I don't wish to complicate their work or lives, either.
Sometimes I check the monitors, just to remind myself that they're there. But it's a ruthless business we're in. Knowing the people I'm responsible for will not help me to protect them, or anyone else. |
Ninavask
The Synenose Accord Celestial Imperative
100
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Posted - 2015.08.25 01:51:14 -
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I don't. Except on frigates that may require a small specialized crew to maintain while I pilot I usually use a delegation system. I have the heads of various departments, head of engineering, head of gunnery, head of blah blah blah et cetera... who communicate any issues with me. However if they are competent enough to keep my ships running and for me to pay to even have them aboard, I don't usually come across any problems.
Dr. Ninavask Revan
Curator
The Synenose Accord
Not indicative of corporate policy unless otherwise stated.
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Solu Terona
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
39
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Posted - 2015.08.25 02:09:51 -
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Saede Riordan wrote:As a Multiple I have a bit more presence with my crew then most capsuleers. I keep one of my bodies aboard the ship I'm piloting to interface with the crew and conduct affairs that would be more difficult were I trapped in the pod. And their survival chances don't have to be slim. I've had my crew for years, and I expect to have the majority of them for years to come, regardless of the fate of the ship they're serving aboard. With a small investment into a Slingshot cloning system, your entire crew can be safely backed up in case of your ship's destruction. For only 1 million ISK, you can ensure your crew's continued survival, and save money on training due to the reduced turnover rate. You can accept death, or you can get to work, and do something about it. Now THIS is interesting. I hadn't known that there exists a group out there who skirts the laws of concord to further transhumanist ideas, especially interesting is your acceptance of multiple consciousnesses. I myself maintain a fleet of holodrones and a custom set of implants tooled to help me shunt mental resources between them, a sort of 'quasi multiple' if you will. Your and my bodies simply MUST meet to discuss such things.
as for my crew, I maintain a very personal and intimate relationship with the crew of my primary ship, a heavily customized Anathema class black ops frigate by the designation "Kyubey". I suppose it helps that its a black ops frigate and thus is at far less risk of being lost. Plus the fact I've ripped out the missile computers for advanced escape pod tech and systems to increase crew survivability in a crisis. Still, a capsuleer is nothing without the baseliners behind her.
"The Stars will forever call to their children."
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Soren Tyrhanos
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
124
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Posted - 2015.08.25 02:11:05 -
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More than I sometimes feel I should. It might sound callous but forming bonds with those crewmen only makes it harder to work with them.
I respect their decisions to crew my vessels, to serve with me for what they believe in. I would not take away those choices for anything. Someone has to fight and I am simply glad these men and women chose to fight with me. |
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
7050
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Posted - 2015.08.25 06:29:37 -
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I don't get to interact with them as much as I'd like. There is simply no time. Some do stand out though. But while I can keep a larger ship alive for years at a time, it's only a matter of time before we lose people.
You see I can tell when they know they are going to die by how they operate various controls on the ship. I "feel" everything. We all do.
That does not make it easier. But keeping the crew alive longer takes a lot less work than the everyday effort that goes into trying to forget that you have human beings working on your ship. And every last one of them has someone who will miss them for any reason.
And I should know. My father was on a crew. Still not sure what happened to him. I could give details of the after effects of that loss, but by sister would object to letting out so much information that involves her own life.
Bring back DEEEEP Space!
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Lydia Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
4
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Posted - 2015.08.25 06:34:01 -
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Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:I don't get to interact with them as much as I'd like. There is simply no time. Some do stand out though. But while I can keep a larger ship alive for years at a time, it's only a matter of time before we lose people.
You see I can tell when they know they are going to die by how they operate various controls on the ship. I "feel" everything. We all do.
That does not make it easier. But keeping the crew alive longer takes a lot less work than the everyday effort that goes into trying to forget that you have human beings working on your ship. And every last one of them has someone who will miss them for any reason.
And I should know. My father was on a crew. Still not sure what happened to him. I could give details of the after effects of that loss, but by sister would object to letting out so much information that involves her own life.
Having to rely on you to take care of me was the worst of it.
You only went 4 paragraphs and showed restraint from ranting. Are you not drinking tonight? You must have docked in an SoE station again. |
Kontrahage
Imperial Dreams Curatores Veritatis Alliance
141
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Posted - 2015.08.25 08:39:47 -
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Arrendis wrote:Kontrahage wrote:How can I picture this?
It's actually not as insane as you seem to imagine. Warning people of the dangers of a hazardous job, while still being willing to pay a high enough wage to make many people consider it worth the risk isn't at all uncommon. Many dangerous positions in heavy industrial areas that can't be taken by drones pay similarly well. The idea is that the warnings will filter out the people who were unaware of the risks, and the high rate of pay is intended to entice the highly skilled. On some primitive settlements, petroleum extraction - especially offshore - is a similar situation.
So you still try to pur our Max's fires by relatavising what he really said.
Informing about the dangerous nature of an employment is harldy the same as whole-heartedly begging someone not to accept it because it would just break one's heart.
The Harbinger of Lies shines through again. |
Corraidhin Farsaidh
Farsaidh's Freeborn
1613
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Posted - 2015.08.25 08:58:40 -
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Diana Kim wrote:Nauplius wrote:Yes. I chain them, I collar them, I stuff them full of Vitoc. I whip them, I chip them, I brainwash them, and then I sacrifice them to the Red God. Amen. Amarr Victor. Now I see the reason of your poor performance in space.
I have to agree here, though I know we both believe in the virtues of a well trained crew.
Of course I'm Gallente so Virtues may be the wrong word... |
Corraidhin Farsaidh
Farsaidh's Freeborn
1613
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Posted - 2015.08.25 09:08:53 -
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To the OP: I party hard with my crew like there's no tomorrow. I also provide my crew with state of the art armoured escape pods with a built in holocast suite. Through this the operate the vessel through remote drones as if they were at the stations themselves.
I find this gives them the best survival chances in the event of a disaster as they are already in their personal pod ready to eject if at all possible in the event of a catastrophic hull failure. You'd be surprised how much such a small dense armoured capsule can take before being breached. Given that most weapons fire is absorbed by the physical structures of the ship this gives an excellent compromise between utility and crew safety.
An interesting side note is how many of the crew actually get quite attached to their work drones, almost like a pet. Many of them even back up the O/S and on board memory banks to be able to transfer their favourite drone into a new chassis in the event of excess damage. |
Arline Kley
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
621
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Posted - 2015.08.25 09:21:22 -
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I maintain a decent working relationship with my crews. I involve myself in the ship rotas - a ships captain who does not help the maintenance of their ship at a basic level, in my opinion, is not a decent captain.
"For it was said they had become like those peculiar demons, which dwell in matter but in whom no light may be found." - Father Grigori, Ravens 3:57
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Elmund Egivand
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
639
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Posted - 2015.08.25 09:23:53 -
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Arline Kley wrote:I maintain a decent working relationship with my crews. I involve myself in the ship rotas - a ships captain who does not help the maintenance of their ship at a basic level, in my opinion, is not a decent captain.
One can't truly know his or her own ship until one has touched the internals of her power reactors.
Evergreen ~ Evergreen ~ Evergreen ~ EVERGREEN ~ Evergreen ~ Evergreen ~Evergreen ~ Family
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Corraidhin Farsaidh
Farsaidh's Freeborn
1613
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Posted - 2015.08.25 11:01:20 -
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Elmund Egivand wrote:Arline Kley wrote:I maintain a decent working relationship with my crews. I involve myself in the ship rotas - a ships captain who does not help the maintenance of their ship at a basic level, in my opinion, is not a decent captain. One can't truly know his or her own ship until one has touched the internals of her power reactors.
I feel much the same way about some of my crew members... |
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