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Candi LeMew
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Posted - 2015.09.08 14:54:59 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:Erica Dusette wrote:The only thing these "PVPers" are doing that's different to "PVEers" is how they're spending the money they make. The point I was making is the main culprits for sitting around going "PvE players should have more risk" are generally the most risk averse PvPers in the game. They want PvE players about as content for them, as targets. People don't want to play a game to be someone else's content though, it's supposed to be entertaining for all players involved. Stomp all over the content provided to those targets and they will move on, leaving you noone to shoot.
It's a cycle though, you see.
That is how it's meant to be, everyone is each other's content.
For those who want to step outside that circle they're truly asking to step outside what the game was designed to encourage to begin with, player v player competition in every corner and aspect of the game.
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Candi LeMew
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Posted - 2015.09.08 15:27:24 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:Candi LeMew wrote:It's a cycle though, you see.
That is how it's meant to be, everyone is each other's content.
For those who want to step outside that circle they're truly asking to step outside what the game was designed to encourage to begin with, player v player competition in every corner and aspect of the game. Competition comes in many forms. People racing for the same anoms are competing. Many of the "Grr PvE" crowd can't seem to accept that though and want easy kills. People won't stick around if the entire purpose of them playing is to populate someone else's killboard.
I believe the purpose is supposed to be populating your kb while trying to prevent others using you to populate theirs.
I think the idea behind the system is I PVE to get the money I need to PVP.
The PVP is supposed to be the primary enjoyable thing in EVE, or it's main content stream.
Sometimes I'll die doing that PVE, becoming someone else's PVP content. But maybe I'll take a ship or two down with me and they'll then have to go do some PVE too now to produce or buy another PVP ship. The great cycle!
Sure, some people might not like that cycle and just want to PVP all day. Those folks buy plex and pay for the privilege of that constant-PVP with their RL monies. Other might want to PVE all day, and sure that's fine too, but I think those folks need to take a back step when it comes to the direction of the game which is supposed to be about that 'cycle'. Stepping outside the intended cycle means stepping outside of other things too I think, and quietly accepting that while just enjoying your game (while hoping nobody comes along to ruin it hehe).
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Candi LeMew
Isogen 5
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Posted - 2015.09.08 16:11:47 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:Candi LeMew wrote:Other might want to PVE all day, and sure that's fine too, but I think those folks need to take a back step when it comes to the direction of the game which is supposed to be about that 'cycle'. Stepping outside the intended cycle means stepping outside of other things too I think, and quietly accepting that while just enjoying your game (while hoping nobody comes along to ruin it hehe). Why? Why should they take a step back? What makes the game any less for them than me or you? They joined to play the game in a way it lets them that entertains them, and they should be supported in that by the devs as much as anyone else.
Because they're essentially asking for the playing field to be changed just for them.
The stadium was made for people to play football, it's not right that those who want to sunbake in a deck chair should feel it's okay to ask for the football game to be changed, or it's players to stay xxxx amount of meters away from them, so they can tan safely in the middle of the playing field.
Your argument is basically that football is a **** game anyway and most people are playing it unfairly, so let me sunbake in peace on this football field, I came here for the afternoon sun it gets, not the game being played on it.
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Candi LeMew
Isogen 5
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Posted - 2015.09.08 16:17:24 -
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Oh dear it's getting all nasty now.
I'm almost feeling guilty with my blaz+¬ casual posting in the midst of all this seriousness.
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Candi LeMew
Isogen 5
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Posted - 2015.09.08 16:22:14 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:Candi LeMew wrote:Because they're essentially asking for the playing field to be changed just for them.
The stadium was made for people to play football, it's not right that those who want to sunbake in a deck chair should feel it's okay to ask for the football game to be changed, or it's players to stay xxxx amount of meters away from them, so they can tan safely in the middle of the playing field.
Your argument is basically that football is a **** game anyway and most people are playing it unfairly, so let me sunbake in peace on this football field, I came here for the afternoon sun it gets, not the game being played on it. Bad analogy is bad, especially when it misses the point. None of what I want to see improved isn't already in the game, so it's more like it being a stadium where multiple sports are played, and I'm in favour of one of those sports that plenty of people want to see but gets limited support from the stadium owners getting more support.
It was actually a perfect analogy. You want a place where permanent highsec incursions happen.
Where nobody can be ganked running missions perhaps
Where you can play those sides of the game and others without interruptions or fear of non-consensual pvp.
Despite the fact that everyone will flock there for the ****-easy ISK and pretty much wreck the rest of the game as they do so, and despite the fact you still want to be connected to the rest of the game and have your cake and eat it too should you choose.
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Candi LeMew
Isogen 5
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Posted - 2015.09.08 16:33:07 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:So other than proving that you don't actually read threads before posting, what was the purpose of this post? I've asked for none of those things.
I didn't need to read the whole thread.
You make your overall stance and desires clear as day just in the past few pages alone. Perhaps not those examples in a literal sense, sure, but exactly those sentiments.
You're going to drag me through having to read back and snip quotes to show you?
Or are you just going to give an honest reply?
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Candi LeMew
Isogen 5
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Posted - 2015.09.08 16:42:08 -
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Market McSelling Alt wrote:Because it is literally impossible to have constant PVP combat in this game, because of the nature of how things have costs and time involved. You must have strong PVE type content to fill the time even if you are a hardened Pew Pew Master.
Not exactly. You just sell a plex when you lose a ship and go buy another one. *shrug*
It's what I do. Quiet times? I spend that writing, roleplaying or shitposting. I get more enjoyment out of those things, just personally, than any kind of PVE content.
But sure, someone, somewhere is doing the PVE work that's building the next ship I'm going to buy.
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Candi LeMew
Isogen 5
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Posted - 2015.09.08 17:01:43 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:INB4 you come back with out of context snippets claiming they prove to me that my own opinions aren't what I thought they were. 
Hmm, you know you're kinda right in a way.
Going back and re-reading some of your posts it's not as easily done as I first thought.
I think it's because you kinda post with a theme of "people should be permitted to do what entertains them" in a way that doesn't discourage them, is comfortable for them - it's best for the game. But then you make sure to draw the boundary at risk and insist that risk should always be involved, but then you also try hard to counter anyone who insists risk=reward is an essential factor.
Honestly on re-reading it's kinda left me wondering where exactly do you stand?
And also makes me begin to wonder who the real trolls are here? 
Lucas Kell wrote:Candi LeMew wrote:Not exactly. You just sell a plex when you lose a ship and go buy another one. *shrug*
It's what I do. Quiet times? I spend that writing, roleplaying or shitposting. I get more enjoyment out of those things, just personally, than any kind of PVE content.
But sure, someone, somewhere is doing the PVE work that's building the next ship I'm going to buy. While being careful to note that this is not what I am suggesting should be the case, I find it amusing that you think it's fine that you can play the PvP part of the game and skip out on the PvE side by buying a plex, yet if it were suggested that a player could pay cash to opt out of PvP you'd lose your ****.
They already can I guess, if they want to stay docked in station forever, sell plex, buy the loot, salvage ore and tags they want without ever risking being shot at (though they still might get caught up in maket pvp).
Someone is still out there taking the time and risk to produce the ships I need to fly, and they're being paid by me to do it. You see the plex I injected into the system contributes to that same cycle, even though I'm not partaking in the PVE side of it personally. That doesn't really work in reverse imo.
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Candi LeMew
Isogen 5
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Posted - 2015.09.08 17:16:33 -
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Just on that though; Anyone can opt out of PVPs with me* anytime by sending me a plex.
Before I go to bed though I did catch this on re-reading and didn't reply to it;
Lucas Kell wrote:Candi LeMew wrote:I believe the purpose is supposed to be populating your kb while trying to prevent others using you to populate theirs.
I think the idea behind the system is I PVE to get the money I need to PVP. That's a very limited view of EVE. Competition doesn;t have to involve guns or killmails.
Of course, I meant killboards in a metaphorical sense.
Doesn't have to be zkillboard or eve-kill, maybe it's the ledger you keep your trade scams written in, the note book where you write down corp theft notes, or the list you keep of bling-fit PVE'ers you want to gank. Maybe it's just the killboard in your mind - the memory of that time you dunked that nerd.
*This deal may/may not also include all other alts associated with me
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Candi LeMew
Isogen 5
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Posted - 2015.09.08 17:20:39 -
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Market McSelling Alt wrote:Candi LeMew wrote:Market McSelling Alt wrote:Because it is literally impossible to have constant PVP combat in this game, because of the nature of how things have costs and time involved. You must have strong PVE type content to fill the time even if you are a hardened Pew Pew Master. Not exactly. You just sell a plex when you lose a ship and go buy another one. *shrug* It's what I do. Quiet times? I spend that writing, roleplaying or shitposting. I get more enjoyment out of those things, just personally, than any kind of PVE content. But sure, someone, somewhere is doing the PVE work that's building the next ship I'm going to buy. Selling a plex means someone somewhere did enough PVE to get the isk from CCP to buy said plex in game... So no, you can't just sell a plex and get rid of PVE.
Uhhmm no ....
I buy plex from CCP website.
I sell that plex in Jita for 800m+.
No PVE (for me) was required at any stage, and I'm undocking in my new Proteus to go wreck some guys.
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Candi LeMew
Isogen 5
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Posted - 2015.09.08 17:26:49 -
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Market McSelling Alt wrote:
Don't play this game, you are not good at it.
Have a look at my edit, and also re-read the very post you quoted.
Don't post on these forums, you're kinda bad at it.
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Candi LeMew
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Posted - 2015.09.08 17:39:08 -
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Market McSelling Alt wrote:You may not have personally done the PVE, but someone did.
That's exactly what -I- said to begin with, lol.
Now you're repeating it for a third time and wondering if I'm the troll?
By selling a plex to fund my PVP I'm still contributing to the overall cycle, because that's paying someone who did PVE.
My whole point was that despite not personally participating in PVE I'm still contributing to it.
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Candi LeMew
Isogen 5
36657
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Posted - 2015.09.08 17:43:23 -
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Arthur Hannigen wrote:I don't think he was talking about the ship you bought. He was referring to the 800M isk that you purchased.
Yep ^^
That ISK buys a Proteus that someone had to mine materials for.
Or a Stratios that someone had to run missions to get the LP to purchase.
etc etc
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Candi LeMew
Isogen 5
36659
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Posted - 2015.09.08 18:03:44 -
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Market McSelling Alt wrote:Candi LeMew wrote:Arthur Hannigen wrote:I don't think he was talking about the ship you bought. He was referring to the 800M isk that you purchased. Yep ^^ That ISK buys a Proteus that someone had to mine materials for. Or a Stratios that someone had to run missions to get the LP to purchase. etc etc So again, your PVP needs made the PVE profitable for someone in the game. Their PVE made your PVP POSSIBLE.
Exactly! 
That's precisely what I said from the start. I truly have no idea why you're even asking or posting unless you misinterpreted what I was initially saying?
Market McSelling Alt wrote:Still think PVE isn't essential for the game? Still think you didn't participate in a PVE function?
Where did that even come from?
By selling a plex I can avoid directly spending time PVEing myself as an individual. I don't need to mine, I don't need to run missions or trade.This plex-selling process though still contributes to the overall PVE/PVP cycle, as you said, and as I said ... from the very beginning.
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