Most of the chat channels I peruse are dead mostly except for political talk.

I don't know. I remember the old days when I would get invited to random team speaks and shoot the crap with other EVE players.

Now its all dead.

..also another fact is all popular mmos are declining in numbers.

for many reasons... sub fees are not "cool" anymore because apparently 15$ is too much money, the constant nerfs and buffs to things the communities never asked for, the devs thinking they know what's fun for gamers without even testing their new gameplays with their communities, the fact that gaming is trying to cater to mass market rather than gameplay... all in the name for money. the fact that some of these games are ancient and people moving on to different games... the fact that people are sick and tired of grinding in the mmo genre, the fact that mobas and some other genres offer instant gratification pvp, the fact that esports is becoming a norm where players are capable of getting decent income without having to get a so called "real job" and that mmos usually don't offer this...

So the decline in numbers will start to turn into even more RAPID!!!!! (5 !s now)?

Sounds like we didn't doomsday tank.

first of all i only stated one fact ...

oops i should of replaced the word fact with "possible reason"

of course tho... the only reason is removal of bots and multiboxers right?

don't worry, your game is fine... i mean people are still playing everquest right?

low population is very attractive for mmos, it encourages new people to join the fun.

There's always going to be an element of unrest when new mecahnics come in or when old mechanics get refreshed. CCP need to get into the mindest of saying "HTFU" again and just doing what they feel is best taking on board the feedback from players and the CSM, without buckling under the pressure of whiners QQing. If that means they change EVE over the long term to keep it alive, so be it. I'd rather the game changes and continues to exist than remains restricted to outdated ideology and dies.

No, picking on new players just makes you a ****.

I don't play games to be stressed out. I play them to relax with a nice glass of Chianti.

The trolls on GD have got even worse if that was possible...

I'm enjoying exploration, it allows me to keep an eye on my other 5 accounts who mostly do wardeccing or solo pvp in 0.0/WH on other alts and to chat in Rookie channel to help the newbies. And while doing that I make a bunch of isk, how about that. I also like how you're completely avoiding what is stated.

Perhaps I need to look into you and your corp a little bit.

while the other points made were also genius work, i would just outline these 2 and say...


watch and learn how it's done, CCP !

So shoot me down but in order for Eve to continue to thrive and maintain its current community/universe it needs new players...
Yes CCP needs to retain its loyal core of players as well but without fresh blood inevitably we are on a demographic down turn even if not in numbers then in game time (hell i don't know may be we should market at older/retired people who have much more time on their hands)...

And no one is going to like this but in order to attract a different cohort of players we need to offer a region of hi sec that is uber safe... so that people can work through the mechanics of the game, build skill points, get into the social aspect - we could still recruit these players to our Corps so they get tied into the game but they would only go into what is currently high sec if they choose to

So what I mean is real starter space that would be boring as hell given my interest is pvp and the constant threat of being popped anywhere including high sec... so a small region that is competely under concord control (you'd need to make sure it couldnt be used to subvert isk making in the rest of the universe thats where it all gets complicated i know) so no ganking... vanilla eve if you like... but where we get people hooked so they have the confidence and interest to explore the tougher and real universe that is lord of the flies eve style

And marketing... and more marketing... to get players in through the vanilla route or into the full on in at the deep end that is the eve experience

Yeah vanilla recruits may not stay but we have a lot of people who try and quit without giving the game enough time... do we know why? I have a suspicion that it isnt the game that makes it so hard at the beginning as such its the other players

I don't know. I am under the impression CCP secretly was building Valkyrie...

So when I'm having reasonable discussions with other people...