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Aria Jenneth
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Multicultural F1 Brigade
1543
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Posted - 2015.09.06 14:55:52 -
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Rook Moray wrote:Let it die.
Let the governments die.
We're evolving past the need for large government systems.
Even if you think of us as somehow separate, Mr. Moray, we are children of technology, and dependent on logistical networks we barely even see.
A dark age would not be kind to us. |
Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1408
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Posted - 2015.09.06 15:59:08 -
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Rook Moray wrote:We're evolving past the need for large government systems.
Sentiments like this never cease to amaze me. We literally reached a point early last year where millions of people died in a single system, in a single day, because someone forgot to pay CONCORD for the privilege of having their name on a ledger next to a system CONCORD will never set foot in.
And you call this 'evolving'?
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Rook Moray
Aliastra Gallente Federation
19
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Posted - 2015.09.07 00:09:43 -
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Take a look out in Venal, in Curse, anywhere in Null.
All people make societies. But out in Null, it's an organic process. Look at how quick things got set up in Thera.
Social evolution.
Systems made by the people, for the people. Not based solely on might or money. Not based on race or lineage.
GÇ£When you want to know how things really work, study them when they're coming apart.GÇ¥
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Claudia Osyn
Minmatar Confederate Ushra'Khan
1470
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Posted - 2015.09.07 00:29:54 -
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Nameira Vanis-Tor wrote:This thread is into structure...will reps land in time? Real threads hull tank
A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.
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Claudia Osyn
Minmatar Confederate Ushra'Khan
1470
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Posted - 2015.09.07 00:31:38 -
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Rook Moray wrote:Take a look out in Venal, in Curse, anywhere in Null.
All people make societies. But out in Null, it's an organic process. Look at how quick things got set up in Thera.
Social evolution.
Systems made by the people, for the people. Not based solely on might or money. Not based on race or lineage.
Still haven't been there, I hear Thera is lovely this time of year. I really should make a point to go....
A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.
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Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1411
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Posted - 2015.09.07 03:54:12 -
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Rook Moray wrote:Take a look out in Venal, in Curse, anywhere in Null.
All people make societies. But out in Null, it's an organic process. Look at how quick things got set up in Thera.
Social evolution.
Systems made by the people, for the people. Not based solely on might or money. Not based on race or lineage.
Please, please tell me this was directed at least in part to me. Tell me how much I should look at Null, and revise my opinions. Tell me how little I understand of society there.
Then take a moment and consider who the frell you're talking to. |
Leopold Caine
Stillwater Corporation
593
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Posted - 2015.09.07 10:55:18 -
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Truce?
The Big Four haven't made one when Kuvakei attacked; I don't think much has changed in the last 5 years, politics wise at least. The Four are none the wiser or stronger and CONCORD is still a farce, as it's always been.
Rook Moray wrote: Systems made by the people, for the people. Not based solely on might or money. Not based on race or lineage.
To survive in a harsh context, one has to make appropriate social constructs.
It does have a certain beauty to it, but it's simple survival, really.
- Leopold Caine, Domination Malakim
Angels are never far...
Stillwater Corporation Recruitment Open - Angel Cartel Bloc
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Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
1988
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Posted - 2015.09.07 11:37:35 -
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Farce indeed, Mr. Caine. After YC110 tribal attack on Yulai they still allow republic to stay there.
Don't they have pride?! Disgusting.
Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.
In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
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Samira Kernher
Praetorian Auxiliary Force Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
2377
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Posted - 2015.09.07 11:56:36 -
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Rook Moray wrote:Take a look out in Venal, in Curse, anywhere in Null.
All people make societies. But out in Null, it's an organic process. Look at how quick things got set up in Thera.
Social evolution.
Systems made by the people, for the people. Not based solely on might or money. Not based on race or lineage.
Nullsec governments are the definition of being set up solely on the basis of might and money. They are dog-eat-dog societies, survival of the fittest. The evolution of civilization isn't important, the development of culture and science isn't important.
Societies growing according to "organic processes" dwell in egotism and hedonism. They provide no benefit to the spiritual and cultural development of humanity.
Yonis Ardishapur for Emperor
"Reclaim our Empire"
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Rook Moray
Aliastra Gallente Federation
20
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Posted - 2015.09.07 14:24:58 -
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Arrendis wrote:Rook Moray wrote:Take a look out in Venal, in Curse, anywhere in Null.
All people make societies. But out in Null, it's an organic process. Look at how quick things got set up in Thera.
Social evolution.
Systems made by the people, for the people. Not based solely on might or money. Not based on race or lineage.
Please, please tell me this was directed at least in part to me. Tell me how much I should look at Null, and revise my opinions. Tell me how little I understand of society there. Then take a moment and consider who the frell you're talking to.
Of course it was directed, in part, to you.
Like anyone, your perceptions are based on your experience.
I don't say anyone needs to revise their opinions based on words. I suggest there's more than one path to understanding.
We're teachers as much as students.
I wouldn't suggest you take a fresh look at Null if I wasn't willing to see it through your eyes as well.
GÇ£When you want to know how things really work, study them when they're coming apart.GÇ¥
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Rook Moray
Aliastra Gallente Federation
20
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Posted - 2015.09.07 14:29:01 -
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Samira Kernher wrote:
Nullsec governments are the definition of being set up solely on the basis of might and money. They are dog-eat-dog societies, survival of the fittest. The evolution of civilization isn't important, the development of culture and science isn't important.
Societies growing according to "organic processes" dwell in egotism and hedonism. They provide no benefit to the spiritual and cultural development of humanity.
Perhaps...
But the same can be said equally about the systems of "government" that are already in place.
I propose a change.
GÇ£When you want to know how things really work, study them when they're coming apart.GÇ¥
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Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1412
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Posted - 2015.09.07 17:21:18 -
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Rook Moray wrote:Like anyone, your perceptions are based on your experience.
I don't say anyone needs to revise their opinions based on words. I suggest there's more than one path to understanding.
We're teachers as much as students.
I wouldn't suggest you take a fresh look at Null if I wasn't willing to see it through your eyes as well.
Indeed, they are. And I find it hilarious that you're going to try to teach me about our societies in Null. No, we're not only built on 'might or money', but there is no way around the simple fact that might and money, tightly intertwined, form a large part of not only the foundations of modern nullsec societies, but also form much of their structure as well. The pursuit of it, the accumulation of it, the completely discretionary wielding of it...
Power, be it economic, political, or military - and in the end, the distinctions between them are highly blurred - is at the very heart of who we are.
And I think if you speak with Ayallah, you'll find much the same attitude among the Therabois: We do what we want, because we can. And that, sir, is all about the power. That said...
Samira Kernher wrote: They are dog-eat-dog societies, survival of the fittest.
You're wrong on this one, Lieutenant. Our societies are in competition with one another, and perhaps some of the less successful ones out here have been truly dog-eat-dog, survival of the fittest, as you say... but the successful ones? No. The successful ones emphasize watching out for one another, putting the needs of the group above your personal impulses - because through the group, you are empowered to act on your impulses, but cut off from us, the individual becomes largely ineffective.
We are brutal and savage externally... internally... we're more like an extended family that plays a bit rough, sometimes, but watches out for one another. |
Samira Kernher
Praetorian Auxiliary Force Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
2377
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Posted - 2015.09.07 18:00:19 -
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That's still dog-eat-dog. It's just on the level of packs and tribes. Gang warfare.
Yonis Ardishapur for Emperor
"Reclaim our Empire"
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Constantin Makanen
4
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Posted - 2015.09.07 18:31:22 -
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Nameira Vanis-Tor wrote:If the Amarr Empire wishes to survive the price for Tribal intervention should be as follows:
......
This is just a draft but tell me, does that sound reasonable for the aid of those The Empire has been trying to persecute and ahnilalate for centuries?
Somebody badly missed the point of the proposal. |
Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1413
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Posted - 2015.09.08 00:23:30 -
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Samira Kernher wrote:That's still dog-eat-dog. It's just on the level of packs and tribes. Gang warfare.
Which is different from the four Empires how? Internal cooperation, external enemies.
We simply call our Caldari State 'Tactical Narcotics Team'... |
Pieter Tuulinen
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Multicultural F1 Brigade
5560
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Posted - 2015.09.08 00:31:35 -
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Rook Moray wrote:Samira Kernher wrote:
Nullsec governments are the definition of being set up solely on the basis of might and money. They are dog-eat-dog societies, survival of the fittest. The evolution of civilization isn't important, the development of culture and science isn't important.
Societies growing according to "organic processes" dwell in egotism and hedonism. They provide no benefit to the spiritual and cultural development of humanity.
Perhaps... But the same can be said equally about the systems of "government" that are already in place. I propose a change.
Now all you need to do is to get tens of trillions of people to sign up to your little experiment and to give it life for a couple of centuries. Bonne chance, mon ami!
"Caldari Prime burns, those left behind are choking on the dust and ash that fills the air, and you demand our surrender? Is this a joke? You have only hardened our resolve. Every drop of blood you have taken from us will be repaid -- with interest."
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Rook Moray
Aliastra Gallente Federation
23
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Posted - 2015.09.08 16:47:13 -
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Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
Now all you need to do is to get tens of trillions of people to sign up to your little experiment and to give it life for a couple of centuries. Bonne chance, mon ami!
Merci!
There's already lots of people in Null. They just got to get to making babies, it's only a matter of time.
GÇ£When you want to know how things really work, study them when they're coming apart.GÇ¥
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Pieter Tuulinen
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Multicultural F1 Brigade
5562
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Posted - 2015.09.08 17:00:29 -
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Unless you get in the way of the Swarm and they glass your worlds. Or something else happens - like the political landscape changes and all the capsuleer support dries up and blows away and the investment stops.
Well. We shall see in good time. 200 years isn't even all that long for one of us, perhaps we'll be there to see it happen?
"Caldari Prime burns, those left behind are choking on the dust and ash that fills the air, and you demand our surrender? Is this a joke? You have only hardened our resolve. Every drop of blood you have taken from us will be repaid -- with interest."
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Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1414
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Posted - 2015.09.08 19:15:37 -
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Pieter Tuulinen wrote:Unless you get in the way of the Swarm and they glass your worlds.
We do not make war upon civilian planetary populations. We leave that sort of genocide to the 'civilized'. |
iyammarrok
Virtually Anonymous Milk Of The Poppy
412
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Posted - 2015.09.09 08:40:15 -
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in answer to the OP. Is it possible? Yes. historical evidence shows that it is in fact possible. Is it likely? No. The age of the capsuleer has sown a lot of strife amongst the stars, and it has only just begun. (not only that, but we make a handy meatshield and axe combination, able to bear the brunt of many assaults and also be the weapon of our empires, what need have they of uniting, when a tiny number of us can do the work of entire navies?)
political logic is rarely logical.
-Idama Tertianus Rethelior
Not indicative of corporate policy unless otherwise stated.
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Praezius Vheruk
Gozantii Industries
638
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Posted - 2015.09.09 11:16:15 -
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Consid'ren, as pirate, tae a notter pirate; nae. 'De 'mpires're as li'ely tae bae comin' tae mutual end't's ye an't I 're tae claimin' aorse'fs blood bruddas fer 'de sake o'de li'l ma'.
Ye're stirrin' a po' tae see 'de 'ornets buzz, an't watch 'dem growin' angrier. 'De Drifters bae a t'reat, yea. We's all n'greement wi'da. Bu' 'till 'dey fin't wot levels o'ceptance fer each otter 'dat spurs each o'us tae live fi'ty systems 'part, 'dey ain't gon' ban't tae getter.
Ye're betteren off tae bae ast'in a La' tae lift'er blouse fer ye, mate.
Leas'ways 'den ye migh'en gae n'answer wot's wort' readin'.
Sinc'rely,
Praezius Vheruk |
Nameira Vanis-Tor
Angry Mustellid
285
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Posted - 2015.09.09 11:24:10 -
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Praezius Vheruk wrote:Consid'ren, as pirate, tae a notter pirate; nae. 'De 'mpires're as li'ely tae bae comin' tae mutual end't's ye an't I 're tae claimin' aorse'fs blood bruddas fer 'de sake o'de li'l ma'.
Ye're stirrin' a po' tae see 'de 'ornets buzz, an't watch 'dem growin' angrier. 'De Drifters bae a t'reat, yea. We's all n'greement wi'da. Bu' 'till 'dey fin't wot levels o'ceptance fer each otter 'dat spurs each o'us tae live fi'ty systems 'part, 'dey ain't gon' ban't tae getter.
Ye're betteren off tae bae ast'in a La' tae lift'er blouse fer ye, mate.
Leas'ways 'den ye migh'en gae n'answer wot's wort' readin'.
Sinc'rely,
Praezius Vheruk
Please tell you are an FC. Those coms must be brilliant!
Praezius "Al'n te de ou gate, worp I tree, tu, on. Ump e conact!"
Fleet member 1 "Did he say jump?"
Fleet member 2 "You got as far as jump?!?"
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Corraidhin Farsaidh
Farsaidh's Freeborn
1671
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Posted - 2015.09.09 11:27:48 -
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Nameira Vanis-Tor wrote:Praezius Vheruk wrote:Consid'ren, as pirate, tae a notter pirate; nae. 'De 'mpires're as li'ely tae bae comin' tae mutual end't's ye an't I 're tae claimin' aorse'fs blood bruddas fer 'de sake o'de li'l ma'.
Ye're stirrin' a po' tae see 'de 'ornets buzz, an't watch 'dem growin' angrier. 'De Drifters bae a t'reat, yea. We's all n'greement wi'da. Bu' 'till 'dey fin't wot levels o'ceptance fer each otter 'dat spurs each o'us tae live fi'ty systems 'part, 'dey ain't gon' ban't tae getter.
Ye're betteren off tae bae ast'in a La' tae lift'er blouse fer ye, mate.
Leas'ways 'den ye migh'en gae n'answer wot's wort' readin'.
Sinc'rely,
Praezius Vheruk Please tell you are an FC. Those coms must be brilliant! Praezius "Al'n te de ou gate, worp I tree, tu, on. Ump e conact!" Fleet member 1 "Did he say jump?" Fleet member 2 "You got as far as jump?!?"
Fleet member 3: My auto-transalator says he wants a frog for his birthday?... |
Praezius Vheruk
Gozantii Industries
640
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Posted - 2015.09.09 11:29:48 -
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Ayuh; 'da'sa bae....
"Tae dae ga'e; o't'ree, tae, one.... naow!"
'Das nae ba't, bu' ye're nae usin' yer gutt'rals. Nes' ti'e, ac' li'e yer chokin' o'laughin' an't chicken, an't ye'll bae startin' daon 'de righ' roa't. |
Corraidhin Farsaidh
Farsaidh's Freeborn
1671
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Posted - 2015.09.09 11:36:26 -
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Praezius Vheruk wrote:Ayuh; 'da'sa bae....
"Tae dae ga'e; o't'ree, tae, one.... naow!"
'Das nae ba't, bu' ye're nae usin' yer gutt'rals. Nes' ti'e, ac' li'e yer chokin' o'laughin' an't chicken, an't ye'll bae startin' daon 'de righ' roa't.
I got chokin' and chicken....I am flat out *not* putting that sentence through my translator... |
Praezius Vheruk
Gozantii Industries
640
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Posted - 2015.09.09 11:38:59 -
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Bu' 'dem folk wots flyin' wi'me; 'dey's swifter o'de uptake'n ye folk. 'Dey been rollin' wi'me fer long'n 'nough a ti'e tae'ave ma'e sense o'me dialect.
Ye wantin' a notter perfect GQ? Gae loo' 'n a mirror. Nae tae me. I's nae 'da gentle.
Peace tae ye.
Praez |
Markus Error
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
79
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Posted - 2015.09.09 13:06:16 -
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Translation for ye lads 'n' lasses who are accent-impaired;
"But them folk who're flying with me; they're swifter on the uptake than you folk. They've been rolling with me long enough to have made sense of my dialect.
You're wanting another perfect GQ? Go look in the mirror, not to me. I'm not that gentle.
Peace to you."
Hm. Like listening to grandad after a few drinks.
Hey.
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Corraidhin Farsaidh
Farsaidh's Freeborn
1673
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Posted - 2015.09.09 16:21:20 -
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Markus Error wrote:Translation for ye lads 'n' lasses who are accent-impaired;
"But them folk who're flying with me; they're swifter on the uptake than you folk. They've been rolling with me long enough to have made sense of my dialect.
You're wanting another perfect GQ? Go look in the mirror, not to me. I'm not that gentle.
Peace to you."
Hm. Like listening to grandad after a few drinks.
Drinking makes you here people in an odd dialect? That's novel... |
Pieter Tuulinen
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Multicultural F1 Brigade
5562
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Posted - 2015.09.09 16:26:17 -
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Hooray for standardised language - although, you know, Forge region dialects and all...
"Caldari Prime burns, those left behind are choking on the dust and ash that fills the air, and you demand our surrender? Is this a joke? You have only hardened our resolve. Every drop of blood you have taken from us will be repaid -- with interest."
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Rook Moray
Aliastra Gallente Federation
23
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Posted - 2015.09.09 16:56:41 -
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Wah gwan
Can mi bring fi mi drake?
Mi am ah shoota!
GÇ£When you want to know how things really work, study them when they're coming apart.GÇ¥
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