Yeah, having it late January means everyone is also back at the office, ready to remedy if needed. The programmers responsible for the change have promised to not make any bugs, so we should be in the clear!

The programmers responsible for the change have promised to not make any bugs, so we should be in the clear!

programmers responsible have promised to not make any bugs

programmers promised

Soundwave will you have my babies?

OFFICIAL NOTICE: DUE TO COMPLETELY SCREWING UP ....... CHRISTMAS LEAVE HAS BEEN DELAYED FOR "various key people" SO THIS CAN BE PUT RIGHT.

It gets a lot easier once you learn to stop taking any of it remotely personally

Dude, I think he was joking.

As a holiday gift and a mia culpa, turn off POS fuel consumption for 2-4 weeks to give people time to adapt to the new realitites.

And?

A fix to avoid exploitation if it is really needed could be to make it for current towers only. Complicates the matter but there ya go. Point of my post being that CCP's issues with their plans are not being allowed to impact their finances or holiday time off. The same consideration should be given to the players.

I only have to deal with one POS ATM but I have had to manage dozens in the past. The amount of work, fuel and isk needed to compensate for this shift is not minor.

Add in the WH factor and this gets 10x worse. Those who argue that people in a WH only have to deal with 1 POS and should not complain clearly have not really lived in a WH unless it was only with 2 or 3 other people. Most serious WH corps have multiple towers. It is necessary evil of WH living with a corp of any size.

If this were occuring during non "holiday" time it would still be a major annoyance but it would at least be much more manageable from a time / manpower perspective.

I do not feel like CCP should cancel anyones holiday break and make them stay and work. But likewise I don't think that players with a large POS investment who planned ahead and manufactured and staged new fuels should now have this dumped on them. They are faced with the choice of spending a LOT of time and isk quickly to offset this or it is "Pinata" time.

My idea may not be the right one but "Sorry see you in 4 weeks" is also far from a balanced approach to spreading the pain this "hiccup" is causing.

maybe find a new job if you dont like it?

Dear CCP

Re: your communications issues.

After the Dev Blogs led expectations for the fuel switch over to be a short order (around 2 weeks in the 2nd blog) after BPO seeding, the following is NOT the way to communicate a delay.



The following:



Should have been the first post on the subject. Much rage would have been avoided. Seriously, someone needs to sit on CCP Soundwave BEFORE he opens his mouth and inserts the contents of CCP's boot tray (leaked internal document anyone?). Especially anything industry related.

Hi everyone,

As you can see from this news item here, we got the TEMPORARY fuel bay size boost through all the relevant hoops and it's going out in the patch tomorrow.

This means that, until the 24th, your fuel bay sizes will be doubled, which should allow you to compensate for the unfortunate postponement of the fuel block switchover by just dumping another month's worth of fuel into your bay, without having to take out any blocks that you've already added.

We are at this time planning to revert these changes and reduce bay sizes back to their current (ie, post-Crucible-boost, pre-tomorrow-boost) sizes on the 24th. We appreciate that leaving them at their larger size would be well-received, but we're also aware that making substantial changes to logistics can have unforeseen consequences. We'd prefer not to significantly alter starbase logistics over the long term without having a better think about the situation.

Thanks for your time, and our apologies once again for the inconvenience this has caused.
-Greyscale

Now, maybe i fail somewhere in my thought, then please be so kind to explain it to me, but:

If you are already able to fill in normal POS fuel and the fuel blocks at the same time, why not make the tower check if there is normal POS fuel, use this as first choice and if there is not enough of the normal POS fuel then start using the fuel blocks.
It has just to check every hour cycle if there is enough of normal fuel if not then check if there are Fuel Blocks, if yes start using.

Begin Cycle:
POS Fuel (yes/no) -> yes -> use POS fuel
POS Fuel (yes/no) -> no -> Blocks (yes/no) -> yes -> use Blocks
POS Fuel (yes/no) -> no -> Blocks (yes/no) -> no -> Tower goes offline

This would let everybody fill in the type of Fuel they want and People who already made tons of Blocks could already start using them instead of buying another Month of normal POS fuel

Regards,
Joahna

PS: In order to avoid problems with the different composition of the normal POS fuel depending on the CPU/PG usage you could just already switch other to an independent base consumption just the same as in the fuel blocks (they are still CPU/PG independent, right?)

Changing which fuel types get consumed by the towers - is merely a change in some data tables. Changing the size of the fuel bay (other then checking for assumptions in the code like "fuel bay can never be larger then X" or "fuel bay will never have a surplus of material") is also just a value change in a data table.

Data table value changes are cheap, inexpensive, and low risk. Changing code logic, like making towers consume either fuel blocks or the old-style fuel depending on what is available, is much higher risk and requires an order of magnitude more development time.

I saw as a gift from ccp we could get all four fuel block bpo's. Anyone know the cost of the fuel block bpo's? I cant readily check.

What I hate about this is that POS towers now cost a lot more to run; is this a bug?

Before, if we didn't use a lot of Power Grid or CPU, we did not have to pay for the ozone or liquid because we basically only had to buy for what we used.

Now with this change, the amount of both is set. Using less power grid and CPU on your tower does nothing to reduce your fuel costs.


This means your paying a lot more each month to run a large tower.

WTF CCP.

I just reactivated my account; I was gone for about a year.

I can only think this will put stress on 0.0 alliances; is this CCP's way of nerfing large alliances? Or forcing them to invest in industry and not fighting?

?how is a bacteria infection that might kill you if left untreated for a month, comparable to snake poison that WILL kill you in less than an hour?

?if you suck out the poison, you are not supposed to swallow it.

?why can't you do both, suck out the poison AND call for help and go to a hospital. . .

?are you suggesting that if your loved one were bitten with deadly poison that you stand back and get on your cel phone: "sorry honey, I don't want to risk sucking out the poison because I might get hurt, and anyways, my saliva might infect the bite long after you are already dead from the poison. it's true because i got that advice from a video game." You must really love that person.

? don''t believe what you see in movies, believe what you see in video games instead?

Has there been an update on the consumption of fuel blocks per hour for the various POS sizes ? All I can see is that it is still 1/2/4 per hour for small/medium/large towers. Is that still the case ?

Yeah I know 10 days to go, but:

CCP: Is the 24th a fix date or are there any chances this date will change?

Can we rely on that 24th or not?

Best regards

fixed.

I hate this fuel block change a lot. Completely unnecessary and making my tower fuel costs soar. Just make the towers use both fuels infinitely. What? people can't figure out how much fuel to put in? Trivial compared with trying to operate the manufacturing interface.

At least BFF seems to be doing some good things for the game. Helps offset this terrible change with POS fuel.

Is this english?

Yeah, CCP made it harder on the players rather than do a small bit of coding. Sure, np, make the player move materials twice rather than have to think for a bit.

and there we have it... roughshod code development produced shoddy code.

This is incorrect, there is only one poisonous snake I am aware of , the tiger keelback snake, Rhabdophis tigrinus which sequesters it's poison from eating toads. Poisonous generally refers to things which will kill you if you eat them, such as mushrooms, toads, and cheap prostitutes.

There are however many VENOMOUS snakes for which your advice is sound.

Right now I am abit lost in the calculation of future fuel consumption.

In the fuel block description they talk about 10/20/40 per hour. Not 1/2/4 per hour. I did the rough math, but when it is 40 per hour, then fuel prices will raise by about 400% ?

Right now I have 4500 fuel blocks
40 blocks per hour x 24h = 960 blocks a day
960 blocks a day x 7 days = 6720 blocks per week

My 4500 blocks will maybe last abit more than 5 days

Checking the market 4500 blocks fly for about 79 mill. This is 9.87% over market price...sure abit expensive right now....

I think before I payed about 150 mill for about 1 month of fuel and if I had to buy it? Something?

Hopefully my calc has some errors or the Fuel Block description has a typo.

Oh Oh! I think I will knock all towers down! Get them out

Doing my math again

Calculation Fuel Costs (large tower):

Large Tower:
40 Fuel blocks per hour x 24h a day = 960 fuel blocks a day
960 fuel blocks a day x 7 days a week = 6720 fuel blocks a week
6720 fuel blocks a week x 4 weeks = 26.880 fuel blocks a month

Right now the price for an Amarr Fuel Block is about 18.500 ISK on the market (~0% under/ over market price)

18.500 ISK x 960 Fuel Blocks a day = 1.776.000 ISK a day
x one week = 124.320.000 ISK a week
x 4 weeks = 497.280.000 ISK a month (in words 497.28 MILL ISK)

Fuel consumption based on tower size per month:

Large Tower per month: 497.200.000 ISK a month
Medium Tower per month: 248.640.000 ISK a month
Small Tower per month: 124.320.000 ISK a month

So again, where is the improvement?

It-¦s just added work, or cost, or both.

scrapyard they were out when it was meant to be 2 weeks to the change over so please do not make out that i would be dishonest