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James Cannon Fodder
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2015.08.27 05:57:37 -
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So what about this possibility? :
I'm thinking about how things work in the mafia (as near as I understand it anyway - which may not be quite correct.) As I understand it, one mafia gang can declare war on another mafia gang, and still not be betraying the mafia leadership. So long as they don't attack anyone who's not involved, and don't harm the interests of those above them, they can kill one another, even though it means they are killing fellow mafia.
So now imagine if corporations in a big alliance could do that.
Suppose corporation A decides that corporation B is now going to be purple. A can shoot B. B can shoot A. However everyone else in the alliance is still blue to both A and B. A and B are still blue to everyone else in the alliance.
So now corporations within a big alliance like Goonswarm could have territorial battles, but not leave Goonswarm. Not be considered AWOX'ers.
That should create some chaos and disunity. |
Tisiphone Dira
New Order Logistics
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Posted - 2015.08.27 06:37:50 -
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The manifesto I & II (by James 315) are important and clarifying documents that explain exactly why this stagnation of null has occured, the answer is in the now horribly skewed isk:reward ratios for the different types of space, particularly highsec, and the resultant disruption of the food chain, causing the collapse of the ecosystem. |
Webvan
All Kill No Skill
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Posted - 2015.08.27 06:48:29 -
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Josef Djugashvilis wrote:Webvan wrote:James Cannon Fodder wrote:Why are there small gangs in Los Angeles? By your logic, shouldn't everyone be joining one giant super gang?
Wut? I grew up in LA. Your comment is just nuts. Those are some ruthless international gangs. Far more members than EVE's daily PCU, waay more. LA is a freaken sanctuary city, owned by illegals in massive gangs running guns, drugs, slaves and spreading contagious diseases while looting tax payers though state, local and federal handouts that corrupt politicians give 'em for their votes. ahh yet another null thread  Donald Trump, is that you? 
Wow, Hillery, long time no see! Hows it been hangin? Just remember, vote for me 2016, you won't regret it! ...if you flee the country 
That Benghazi thing is going to catch up to you one day, biatch!
I'm in it for the money
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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
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Posted - 2015.08.27 06:50:04 -
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Tisiphone Dira wrote:Stuff I didn't read because of creepy ass avatar. Dude! Your head.
Mr Epeen 
There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass!
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Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
4021
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Posted - 2015.08.27 06:50:21 -
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There is no "fix" to nullsec. Nullsec is not "broken". It was a fire and it has burned for years, now it's all ashes and embers.
"But, how do I fix these ashes?"
You can't fix them, you silly. You just start another fire elsewhere.
73% of EVE characters stay in high security space. 62% of EVE subscribers barely PvP. 40% of all new accounts just "level up their Ravens". Probably that's why PvE content in EVE Online is sub-par and CCP is head over heels for PvP...
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dor amwar
Interstellar Renegades
Advent of Fate
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Posted - 2015.08.27 07:15:12 -
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mydingaling wrote:Null is about big groups. Turning null into some faction warfare style little group thing is what has ****** null. In amongst the big groups and major wars you have little groups and skirmishes. This however changed with bubble immune ships and the rise of the uncatchable kiters.
The problem with null was stagnation. Lets be honest, the great wars fought from red moon rising through to dominion were the golden years of eve. I'm 42 and have gamed since the first computer games were invented. Eve online during that period was the greatest gaming i've ever been a part of and will likely never see again. The reason why most of us are complaining about the state of null is we can see the direction null is going and there will never be another time like that. I truly feel sorry for all you newbies that missed it.
There are a whole bunch of reasons for the stagnation. The biggest single reason is you no longer have the likes of Sir Mole to drive conflict. COAD really was a great conflict driver and the changes made there I think was the start of the end. Nowadays the passionate 'grrr kill goons' feeds recruits into the likes of MOA who are invulnerable as far as sov goes and can get their sweet revenge flying fast uncatachable ships around CFC space. You need the likes of MOA to instead be part of the bigger groups, tie the passion in with groups that can actually fight a proper sov war. If you look at the groups that if combined could bring that kind of fight, BL, PL, MOA all live in NPC protected stations. They are not true sov holders they have nothing to risk, nothing to fight for, no chance to rally up everyone to save their **** from burning to the ground.
You need the biggest isk rewards to be in null. You need the associated risk of losing your stuff as the balance for the reward. You shouldn't be able to just hide out conflict in a npc station. You shouldn't be able to make better money from other areas of eve. You need more varied PVE in null not just anomolies. Null should be dangerous and not filled with uncatchable little ****** ships.
thx for saving me some typing. |
Tisiphone Dira
New Order Logistics
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Posted - 2015.08.27 07:43:32 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:Tisiphone Dira wrote:Stuff I didn't read because of creepy ass avatar. Dude! Your head. Mr Epeen
One of the many miracles of James 315
His perfect explanation of the problems of null years before the OP thought to even ask is another, what amazing foresight |
Josef Djugashvilis
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Posted - 2015.08.27 08:11:35 -
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Webvan wrote:Josef Djugashvilis wrote:Webvan wrote:James Cannon Fodder wrote:Why are there small gangs in Los Angeles? By your logic, shouldn't everyone be joining one giant super gang?
Wut? I grew up in LA. Your comment is just nuts. Those are some ruthless international gangs. Far more members than EVE's daily PCU, waay more. LA is a freaken sanctuary city, owned by illegals in massive gangs running guns, drugs, slaves and spreading contagious diseases while looting tax payers though state, local and federal handouts that corrupt politicians give 'em for their votes. ahh yet another null thread Donald Trump, is that you? Wow, Hillery, long time no see! Hows it been hangin? Just remember, vote for me 2016, you won't regret it! ...if you flee the country That Benghazi thing is going to catch up to you one day, biatch! --
I am not an American nor do I live in the USA but I would love The Trump to win just for the sheer priceless comedy value
This is not a signature.
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Webvan
All Kill No Skill
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Posted - 2015.08.27 08:12:36 -
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Tisiphone Dira wrote:Mr Epeen wrote:Tisiphone Dira wrote:Stuff I didn't read because of creepy ass avatar. Dude! Your head. Mr Epeen One of the many miracles of James 315 His perfect explanation of the problems of null years before the OP thought to even ask is another, what amazing foresight
the power of christ compels you the power of christ compels you the poser of...
I'm in it for the money
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Salvos Rhoska
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Posted - 2015.08.27 09:33:47 -
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Dev blog goals quite clearly state that CCP is now designing away from big fleet battles.
The future will expectedly bring mechanics which attempt to incentivize smaller fleets engaging in multiple sov systems, simultaneously.
Like it or not, and though it contradicts the old mantra of huge fleet battles, its pretty obvious from the dev blog goals.
Ill quote them here in a minute once I get upstairs and find the blog.
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James Cannon Fodder
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
5
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Posted - 2015.08.27 14:35:02 -
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Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:There is no "fix" to nullsec. Nullsec is not "broken". It was a fire and it has burned for years, now it's all ashes and embers.
"But, how do I fix these ashes?"
You can't fix them, you silly. You just start another fire elsewhere.
Another null would be nice. Maybe someday they'll improve WH space a bit.
WH would be fun if you could set up a better space station. I don't like the idea of having to deal with a community hangar. But it is cool that it's hard to permanently settle there.
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Markus Reese
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
452
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Posted - 2015.08.27 14:58:06 -
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Did I post here before? Oh well, sorry if I broken record.
We gotta start from scratch in how we play there. How would we do it if null was entirely brand new? What do we value? How do mechanics work? What are we looking for? Is there a way of becoming mobile nullsec alliance and make isk raiding sov holders?
The latter one is kinda getting me interested. Can null (and low) make a good living being raiders without needing to hold sov? Make sov for those of us who are more NRDS. Those that are NBSI, can they enjoy it somehow by having a sort of pirate fortress system and raid? I think that would be the awesome way. If pvp people can do raids! Have some sort of secondary mechanic that can allow taking from silos and all that stuff. This means revamping of motherships to make them.... motherships? |
James Cannon Fodder
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2015.08.27 15:03:31 -
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The goal of a thread like this should be to ask: what can we as players do to destabilize null?
There's no point trying to tell CCP their own business. I think they know what they are doing better than I know what they are doing.
But I want to have fun. It would be fun to start a new alliance that could build up over time and go head to head with one of the superalliances. Maybe steal members from them until it's large enough to conquer some of their space.
But I don't see any way to do it. There's no unsettled space for a new fleet to get started in. Everything is already claimed. High sec is always available, but you won't make enough ISK there to build anything competitive.
Maybe rent from one superfleet until you're big enough to attack another superfleet? (Best not to try and bite the hand that feeds you.)
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Rayne Soomer Evingod
The Merchant Marine's
Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2015.08.27 15:06:13 -
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Is null broke?
Why no one tell me? |
James Cannon Fodder
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
5
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Posted - 2015.08.27 15:11:49 -
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It's not "broke". It's just boring.
If I decide to use my computer as a paperweight, and it won't turn on, then I could always argue that my computer isn't broke. It still works as a paperweight. |
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