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Phoenix Jones	Posted - 2006.12.12 15:58:00 - [1] I do not know why people are cheering so much. Unless this lottery has an unlimited timeframe, then whatever items have been seeded will merely be bought off of the person who gets it. Alliances are really the only groups who can afford to purchase a T2 BPO. In addition, alliances have people with Thousands upon Thousands of research points in hopes to get BPO's (so they have a greater chance now). Those that they don't get, they'll merely purchase off the person for some odd hundreds of billions, making that person rich, but making everybody else suffer. I would not cheer yet about the BPO reseeding, because if its a finite limit, then don't expect any significant price changes, while the 40 or so odd people who get the new BPO's sell them to the mega Corps for Isk. ---------------The Low Sec Issue------------- Gatecamps that kill all who pass with no remorse and in many cases, no possible way of retaliation, is not PVP.
KIAEddZ Caldari KIA Corp	Posted - 2006.12.12 16:00:00 - [2] Don't worry, we have invention!!! KIA EVE Home
Mi Lai Sanguine Legion	Posted - 2006.12.12 16:00:00 - [3] Originally by: KIAEddZ Don't worry, we have invention!!!
D'onryu Shoqui Vengeance of the Fallen Imperium Alliance	Posted - 2006.12.12 16:02:00 - [4] alliances wont buy them the people who have t2 bpo's already with almost unlimited bank balances will. the rich get richer ------------------------- I am a nobody of IMP my views are my own.
BurnHard	Posted - 2006.12.12 16:10:00 - [5] Honestly, trust me on this, I've been a T2 producer. A lot of T2 stuff doesn't have huge profits. However, most of it does have a profit, unlike a lot of T1 stuff that sells at cost or below because there are so many modules dropping from NPC's (apart from the BPO's being in unlimited supply). Now, some items can make huge profits due to BPO rarity. But those are the exception, taken as a proportion of the total number of BPO's. A lot of people will sell their BPO's but only because the ROI putting the cash into something else will be greater in the medium term than holding the print and manufacturing yourself. For example, if a BPO worth 2 billion was making you a profit of 10m per week, it might not be worth holding, unless you intend to hold it for a couple of years!
Rod Blaine Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.12 16:10:00 - [6] Edited by: Rod Blaine on 12/12/2006 16:11:59 Originally by: D'onryu Shoqui alliances wont buy them the people who have t2 bpo's already with almost unlimited bank balances will. the rich get richer Those people being the alliance he means :p But no, it's not just alliances that are going to buy them, it's gtc sellers and other rich folk too now, like some of the people that've been in nobcorps doing trade runs and lvl 4's for the last three years. In general, yes, most of the enw bpo's will end up with people with alot of isk. That's a problem why ? Does it matter wether the guy gouging you was rich beforehand or not ? However, alliances do have an extra reason to buy these bpo's, that other people do not have. This means that theoretically alliances should be outbidding what is the economically viable price on these items, jst to ensure that they have a secure source for critical t2 products. Old blog
Pakalolo Tha Shiznit	Posted - 2006.12.12 16:13:00 - [7] don't ever underestimate the other guy's greed. there is no way to know who gets what in the lottery, unless you win and tell somebody.
D'onryu Shoqui Vengeance of the Fallen Imperium Alliance	Posted - 2006.12.12 16:16:00 - [8] Quote: That's a problem why ? Does it matter wether the guy gouging you was rich beforehand or not ? would be nice if wealth was spread around a bit more guess its to late now , maybe ccp have learned there lesson. dont think i have ever known any other mmo where more than likely 5% of the population probably has more than 25% of the isk ingame ------------------------- I am a nobody of IMP my views are my own.
DANGEROUS PHANT0MS	Posted - 2006.12.12 16:18:00 - [9] try 5 % have 95% of the isk infact is closer to the mark tbh
Splagada Minmatar Tides of Silence	Posted - 2006.12.12 16:21:00 - [10] Edited by: Splagada on 12/12/2006 16:21:43 well for most itll be the case, as when the people stop dancing from pulling a T2 BPO they will realize you almost need a dedicated corp to produce those and the prices at first will be worth it example : the cerb bpo that went a few months ago for about 50 billions takes about 1 year with a dedicated corp to get even, even by selling CERBS ! for that i understand the guy sold, and imo the buyer took a huge risk yes he prints isk; but starts with a 50b hole in wallet ------ relaxed corp looking for members

Fugly McTastic	Posted - 2006.12.12 16:24:00 - [11] Edited by: Fugly McTastic on 12/12/2006 16:27:44 Originally by: DANGEROUS try 5 % have 95% of the isk infact is closer to the mark tbh Which pretty much mimics real life Way to go people, we buggered the planet and the economy, now were doing it with Computer games... ------------------------------------------ I am NOT an exclamation point, I am a free man...
Larshus Magrus Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2006.12.12 16:26:00 - [12] Its not all doom and gloom. I've been researching forever with 5 top agents and have never won anything. If I happen to win something good I'm not selling it. I enjoy producing t1 items and It'd be nice to add a nice t2 bpo to my production queue. I'm sure there are others like me. :) I play this game for enjoyment, not to see how many ISK I ultimately have... although it is one of the benchmarks of the game.
Malena Perpetual Dawn	Posted - 2006.12.12 16:27:00 - [13] Originally by: Splagada Edited by: Splagada on 12/12/2006 16:21:43 well for most itll be the case, as when the people stop dancing from pulling a T2 BPO they will realize you almost need a dedicated corp to produce those and the prices at first will be worth it example : the cerb bpo that went a few months ago for about 50 billions takes about 1 year with a dedicated corp to get even, even by selling CERBS ! for that i understand the guy sold, and imo the buyer took a huge risk yes he prints isk; but starts with a 50b hole in wallet Tis true if they plan on selling for profit, but if they plan on making them for in-alliance use, and perhaps only selling the extras, then they can provide a fantastic service to their members at a decent price. It may not always be about profit, but about making sure your members are kitted as best they can be for an not-exorbitant price tag.
D'onryu Shoqui Vengeance of the Fallen Imperium Alliance	Posted - 2006.12.12 16:27:00 - [14] Edited by: D''onryu Shoqui on 12/12/2006 16:27:29 in real life i think its 10% have 80% of the wealth. there was some news article about it the other week. atleast in real life its hard to have a monopoly ------------------------- I am a nobody of IMP my views are my own.
Shameless Avenger	Posted - 2006.12.12 16:29:00 - [15] About alliances buying off... If I get one T2 BPO I won't sell it for the world, no matter what.
storm2k5	Posted - 2006.12.12 16:34:00 - [16] Originally by: BurnHard Honestly, trust me on this, I've been a T2 producer. A lot of T2 stuff doesn't have huge profits. However, most of it does have a profit, unlike a lot of T1 stuff that sells at cost or below because there are so many modules dropping from NPC's (apart from the BPO's being in unlimited supply). Now, some items can make huge profits due to BPO rarity. But those are the exception, taken as a proportion of the total number of BPO's. A lot of people will sell their BPO's but only because the ROI putting the cash into something else will be greater in the medium term than holding the print and manufacturing yourself. For example, if a BPO worth 2 billion was making you a profit of 10m per week, it might not be worth holding, unless you intend to hold it for a couple of years! Thank you for this post. I manufacture a couple of T2 ammo prints for my corp. It needs alot of time to get all the components and it needs ALOT of time to manufacture it. Most people doesn't seem to realize that unlike T1 it takes ages to make the product. For example: -50'000 units of a T2 cruise missile will take about 2 weeks to manufacture. -It costs about 120 ISK to make one unit. (standard ore and component prices) Let's say I sell them for 400 ISK each (I hear people scream "greed!") Assumed I can sell them instantly I make 280 ISK * 50'000 profit each 2 weeks. Thats 14 mil ISK EVERY 2 WEEKS! Which calculates to only 1 lousy mil per day. Which can be done in 2 minutes with belt ratting in 0.0. Assuming I got that T2 cruise BPO for only 500mil (which would be _very_ cheap) I have to manufacture it for nearly 1.5 years. T2 isn't a very fast way to get very rich, if you don't have one of those rarity BPO's like Hammerhead II. /storm
Noriath	Posted - 2006.12.12 16:35:00 - [17] Also in real life you can do something against rich people, in Eve you can't, because you don't know who they are, and even if you did, not much you can do to harm the wallet of an alt in an NPC corp.
Kuolematon Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United	Posted - 2006.12.12 16:40:00 - [18] Originally by: KIAEddZ Don't worry, we have invention!!! BUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!! falls of chair, laughing "It's great being Amarr, ain't it?Ö" "A world without pain"
Viktor Fyretracker Caldari Worms Corp	Posted - 2006.12.12 16:44:00 - [19] if i say got a Cerberus BPO and due to lack of resources couldnt fully use it im sure i could milk someone like BoB or ASCN for close to a trillion isk.
Harisdrop Gallente ClanKillers Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.12.12 16:45:00 - [20] Hopefully they release the limit of data core you can get from R&D agents. New NPC Region

Argenton Sayvers	Posted - 2006.12.12 16:45:00 - [21] Many of the extremely rich are in fact solo players (or belong to small corps). I think thats good, but the complex-farming titan-fielding blobs seem to disagree.
Mona Lou Caldari	Posted - 2006.12.12 16:45:00 - [22] Heh, I bet if I founded Communist Party of Eve Online, I would get a lot of members. Rich are evil, power to workers, wealth for everyone! Seriously ppl, Eve is like RL. If you want to have something, you either have to be VERY lucky or you have to work hard. Want T2 BPOs? Then work, make ISK and buy your BPO. Everyone can do that, not only aliances. Flying around, complaining and praying for gift from Gods/CCP is not gonna help.
Tachy	Posted - 2006.12.12 16:45:00 - [23] Originally by: Noriath Also in real life you can do something against rich people, in Eve you can't, because you don't know who they are, and even if you did, not much you can do to harm the wallet of an alt in an NPC corp. Buy item, pod seller repeatedly. Yeah I know, you'll probably end up with podding the price driving resellers repeatedly, but that's okay in my book. --==*-- The cause for this is not yet known, but we do have a possible fix in testing. by Sharkbait \| 2006.09.20
Makree Ubar Asteroid Hugging Collective	Posted - 2006.12.12 16:47:00 - [24] If I get a T2 bpo I will use it to produce t2 goods and sell them at a fair markup. So CCP ensure I get a nice BPO, cause the future of the game depends on it. ok, thx.
Pick Me	Posted - 2006.12.12 16:52:00 - [25] Originally by: Phoenix Jones I do not know why people are cheering so much. Unless this lottery has an unlimited timeframe, then whatever items have been seeded will merely be bought off of the person who gets it. Alliances are really the only groups who can afford to purchase a T2 BPO. What is forcing someone getting the bpo to sell it ? He get it, he use it. Whatever he is in an alliance or not. You want to restrict trade so that nobody getting a bpo can sell it to an alliance? That would be bad for the freedom of individual player (thoses not in alliance for that reason btw).
Argenton Sayvers	Posted - 2006.12.12 16:52:00 - [26] Edited by: Argenton Sayvers on 12/12/2006 16:54:59 Originally by: Phoenix Jones Alliances are really the only groups who can afford to purchase a T2 BPO. I can purchase a couple, good ones, that is (good like magstab II or Invul II, not Cap II or Hulk), and yes, this is my "main". Originally by: Tachy Buy item, pod seller repeatedly. Yeah I know, you'll probably end up with podding the price driving resellers repeatedly, but that's okay in my book. You mean you end up getting podded repeatedly by price-driving resellers in fully rigged officer-fitted carriers / faction battleships? Oh, wtb estamel cruises, 1b each. Omnia vincit pecunia.
Splagada Minmatar Tides of Silence	Posted - 2006.12.12 16:54:00 - [27] Originally by: Malena Originally by: Splagada Edited by: Splagada on 12/12/2006 16:21:43 well for most itll be the case, as when the people stop dancing from pulling a T2 BPO they will realize you almost need a dedicated corp to produce those and the prices at first will be worth it example : the cerb bpo that went a few months ago for about 50 billions takes about 1 year with a dedicated corp to get even, even by selling CERBS ! for that i understand the guy sold, and imo the buyer took a huge risk yes he prints isk; but starts with a 50b hole in wallet Tis true if they plan on selling for profit, but if they plan on making them for in-alliance use, and perhaps only selling the extras, then they can provide a fantastic service to their members at a decent price. It may not always be about profit, but about making sure your members are kitted as best they can be for an not-exorbitant price tag. i totally agree with that and i'm just jealous of them, but i dont feel they kill the game with that. it's an awesomelific service ------ relaxed corp looking for members
Vasiliyan PAX Interstellar Services Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2006.12.12 16:55:00 - [28] Why are you complaining about the resale of the BPOs? Either way winning a BPO = large amount of ISK, it's just that by selling it you you realise the value immediately instead of having to wait (as was explained above about the long production times)

wystler Forum Moderator Interstellar Services Department	Posted - 2006.12.12 16:56:00 - [29] Come on vagabond bpo, pappa needs a new pair of everything eve-crc.net \| forum rules \| [email protected] Official keeper of the smilie. Yarr!

Khyle Gallente	Posted - 2006.12.12 17:01:00 - [30] Edited by: Khyle on 12/12/2006 17:02:23 Originally by: storm2k5 Originally by: BurnHard Honestly, trust me on this, I've been a T2 producer. A lot of T2 stuff doesn't have huge profits. However, most of it does have a profit, unlike a lot of T1 stuff that sells at cost or below because there are so many modules dropping from NPC's (apart from the BPO's being in unlimited supply). Now, some items can make huge profits due to BPO rarity. But those are the exception, taken as a proportion of the total number of BPO's. A lot of people will sell their BPO's but only because the ROI putting the cash into something else will be greater in the medium term than holding the print and manufacturing yourself. For example, if a BPO worth 2 billion was making you a profit of 10m per week, it might not be worth holding, unless you intend to hold it for a couple of years! Thank you for this post. I manufacture a couple of T2 ammo prints for my corp. It needs alot of time to get all the components and it needs ALOT of time to manufacture it. Most people doesn't seem to realize that unlike T1 it takes ages to make the product. For example: -50'000 units of a T2 cruise missile will take about 2 weeks to manufacture. -It costs about 120 ISK to make one unit. (standard ore and component prices) Let's say I sell them for 400 ISK each (I hear people scream "greed!") Assumed I can sell them instantly I make 280 ISK * 50'000 profit each 2 weeks. Thats 14 mil ISK EVERY 2 WEEKS! Which calculates to only 1 lousy mil per day. Which can be done in 2 minutes with belt ratting in 0.0. Assuming I got that T2 cruise BPO for only 500mil (which would be _very_ cheap) I have to manufacture it for nearly 1.5 years. T2 isn't a very fast way to get very rich, if you don't have one of those rarity BPO's like Hammerhead II. /storm As another T2 Producer i can only second that. I won 5 T2 BPOs in total, of which i sold 2 and produce stuff with the other 3. These 3 provide me a profit of 80-120 Million isk a month each. I could easily sell(got lots of offers) each for 3 Billion isk or more. Yep, that does mean to break even on the price to buy them you need about 30 months, or 2,5 years. People still do this of course, its just turning fixed assets into a steady income, like buying shares. But you can not get rich quickly, it will normally cost you more to buy a T2 BPO than you will probably ever earn with it. And thats true for 99% of the BPOs. The opportunity cost of buying them(meaning the isk you would save by not buying) is usually much larger than the expected profit over 1-2 years.



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