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Gamer4liff
Caldari
Metalworks
THE INTERSTELLAR FOUNDRY
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Posted - 2006.12.13 00:44:00 -
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I don't know about you guys, But I wouldn't sell a T2 bpo to anybody. I'm sure there are others like me who have been itching to get into T2 production for ages.
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Madcat Adams
Mission Runners Anonymous Incorporated
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Posted - 2006.12.13 01:29:00 -
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Depends, if it's a module BPO, something easy to produce for my modest operation, then it's mass production time. If it's some complex BPO, such as a ship, then better to sell it to get investment capital for future operations. And perhaps an outpost for my own amusment. 
It's great being Amarr, ain't it?
Aimez- "oh ****, this is empire......."
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Tanis Bastar
Caldari
Interstitial Incorporated
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Posted - 2006.12.13 02:01:00 -
[63]
 Originally by: Malthros Zenobia
Hasn't the thought ever occurred to some of you that some people who win BPOs will keep them so that they have a steady source of income for their EVE career, and then they can sell it later on if they feel the need to?
Unless of course CCP nerfs the existing T2 BPOs, in which case you're better off taking the money and running...
Originally by: Malthros Zenobia
In real life it's only hard to have a monopoly because most governments have laws in place to prevent it.
No, in RL it's hard to have a monopoly in almost all markets because of competition, which is almost completely lacking in the T2 market (I say almost because, for instance, the new BCs, etc., compete on some level with the T2 HACs, etc.
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Jinx Barker
GFB Scientific
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Posted - 2006.12.13 02:14:00 -
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In my humble opinion one of the small fixes is to decrease the production time by 50% on ALL high demand/high margin items. This, by itself, will ensure that there is double ammount of ships and modules available to be sold on the marker.
The decrease in production time will affect:
T2 Component Price = Higher Margins for the guys who are making them.
T2 Material/POS Material Manufacturers = Higher Margins for the guys who are making them.
In turn, this decrease in manufacture time will ensure that more and more Manufacturers will be willing to sell at lesser margin.
Granted, that resellers will punce on it, but eventually things wills tabilise and re-selling will become less rampant.
Since, why should a Cerberus Manufacturer sell his ships for 150 million ISK, when all of them willbe snapped up by the resellers and put up for 250 million ISK? They might as well keep the ISK home and sell straight up at 250!
Anyway, this is an old story. But working within the syste: T2 Reseding at least doble if not triple of what is out there, in conjunction with 50% reduction of Manufacture time will do the trick.
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Audri Fisher
Caldari
The Keep
THE R0CK
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Posted - 2006.12.13 02:23:00 -
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Originally by: Splagada
Edited by: Splagada on 12/12/2006 16:21:43
well for most itll be the case, as when the people stop dancing from pulling a T2 BPO they will realize you almost need a dedicated corp to produce those
and the prices at first will be worth it
example : the cerb bpo that went a few months ago for about 50 billions takes about 1 year with a dedicated corp to get even, even by selling CERBS !
for that i understand the guy sold, and imo the buyer took a huge risk
yes he prints isk; but starts with a 50b hole in wallet
the whole it takes a corp to produce it dog does not hunt with me.
EvE's tech II production is about as complicated as SWG's old crafting system was. succesful crafters knew they could not possible handle all the resource gathering that it took to be succesful, so they outsourced huge amounts of labor. I harvested for many a armorsmith and leased lots to many a weaponsmith. I organized and catagorized so many stacks of resources that I gave myself heatstroke form brain overload. If you want to have my sympathy, tech II bpo's need to have an ingrediant list like "EC-P8R zydrine". if you didn't have any, you had to use a generic zydrine from reprossed modules that only gave you 90% of the normal resist on a vagabond.
My biggest problem is that dedication and talent is not enough to break into the business. luck is, timing is. The best weaponsmiths on valcyns server didn't have day one resources.
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BoBoZoBo
Foundation
R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2006.12.13 03:07:00 -
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Originally by: Phoenix Jones
I do not know why people are cheering so much. Unless this lottery has an unlimited timeframe, then whatever items have been seeded will merely be bought off of the person who gets it.
Alliances are really the only groups who can afford to purchase a T2 BPO. In addition, alliances have people with Thousands upon Thousands of research points in hopes to get BPO's (so they have a greater chance now).
Those that they don't get, they'll merely purchase off the person for some odd hundreds of billions, making that person rich, but making everybody else suffer.
I would not cheer yet about the BPO reseeding, because if its a finite limit, then don't expect any significant price changes, while the 40 or so odd people who get the new BPO's sell them to the mega Corps for Isk.
EXACTLYYYYYYYYYY
Some guy is going to get a BPO and sell it to some corp that can give him a better dime for it and it wont change a damn thing because those with the most money will be willing to pay for it.
Hey... I did!
I got a T2 BPO with no money to product it effectively. Sold it and now I am making other things.
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Ghoest
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Posted - 2006.12.13 03:30:00 -
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If I get a Vaga or Cerb BPO(slim chance I know) there is no way Im selling it. Even if selling it makes economic sense.
That said of course Im going to sell copies or build ships and sell them for as much as I can get away with.
Wherever you went - here you are.
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Warrio
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.12.13 04:18:00 -
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Originally by: Fugly McTastic
Edited by: Fugly McTastic on 12/12/2006 16:27:44
Originally by: DANGEROUS
try 5 % have 95% of the isk infact is closer to the mark tbh
Which pretty much mimics real life Way to go people, we buggered the planet and the economy, now were doing it with Computer games... 
And you know the best part. We are all sitting here in our homes with out computers...
We are the 5%.
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Trotski II
Rasta Tropical Club
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Posted - 2006.12.13 04:23:00 -
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Originally by: Jinx Barker
In my humble opinion one of the small fixes is to decrease the production time by 50% on ALL high demand/high margin items. This, by itself, will ensure that there is double ammount of ships and modules available to be sold on the marker.
And wonŠt be better then to just seed more of those BPO?
2 millionaires is better then 1 billionaire IMHO.
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DiuxDium
The Graduates
Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.12.13 04:54:00 -
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T2 should be expensive. That is all.
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Miss Overlord
Gallente
Ferrum Pugnus
New Eve Order
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Posted - 2006.12.13 04:58:00 -
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Originally by: DiuxDium
T2 should be expensive. That is all.
not as expensive as it is but more epxneisve than t1 - that is all
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Jinx Barker
GFB Scientific
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Posted - 2006.12.13 06:37:00 -
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Originally by: Trotski II
Originally by: Jinx Barker
In my humble opinion one of the small fixes is to decrease the production time by 50% on ALL high demand/high margin items. This, by itself, will ensure that there is double ammount of ships and modules available to be sold on the marker.
And wonŠt be better then to just seed more of those BPO?
2 millionaires is better then 1 billionaire IMHO.
Yeop... as mentioned bellow in the quote:
Originally by: Jinx Barker
Anyway, this is an old story. But working within the system: T2 Reseding at least doble if not triple of what is out there, in conjunction with 50% reduction of Manufacture time will do the trick.
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sableye
principle of motion
R i s e
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Posted - 2006.12.13 06:43:00 -
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Edited by: sableye on 13/12/2006 06:44:01
if I won something this time around I'd probably sell it depending on what it is I already have 2 useless bpo's rotting in a hanger doing nothing no sense in having a third I have been tempted to sell them 2 for a long time only reason I have'nt is they sentimental and I have'nt needed the isk but who is gonna spend hours making dumb tech 2 ammo which will probably make you 10 mil isk profit a week if your lucky I'd get more from 20 mins mining.
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Aramendel
Amarr
Queens of the Stone Age
Anarchy Empire
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Posted - 2006.12.13 09:53:00 -
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Originally by: Krulla
It's just the nature of a free market. No matter what, most of the money will find it's way into the hands of a small elite. How that happens is irrelevant.
Yes and no. The t2 distribution system could easily be designed that this won't happen, at least not to the current extend.
Imagine, there would be no t2 BPOs. The you would only get BPCs from research agents, be it by lottery or by a fixed invention.
Someone who is running 65654 R&D alts will still get a good amount of the t2 profit, but not all. It wouldn't be a closed system. And anyone who wants to be in business would have to continously work for it.
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Siigari Kitawa
Gallente
HelpCorp United
Eden's Fire
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Posted - 2006.12.13 09:59:00 -
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WTB Hammerhead II BPO
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BlackeyeHunter
The Trade and Frieght Corp
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Posted - 2006.12.13 10:23:00 -
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I love people that post with no idea :)
There are moans and screams of T2 BPO this and T2 BPO that, but still, nobody has come up with a fairer way to distribute them that a lottery.
1. If they were for sale, the richest would buy them.
2. If you were allowed to trade your research points in for them, the best npcers with the longest running lvl 4 agents would get them.
3. Loads of other ideas that are in the best interest of longest playing chars and richest chars.
A lottery is the only way that newish players have any chance at all at getting one of these - however small that chance may be. If they choose to sell it, then so be it. However, the distribution was fair.
Anyone that mentions Alliances buying BPO's obviously has never been in an Alliance. Most BPO's are bought by big T2 Corps or individuals within these corps. They might be part of an Alliance or not, but its nothing to do with 'Alliance Power' or **** like that.
And Phoneix Jones, if you win one, I'm sure we won't see any more pointless posts from you. Please?
For the record, I'm not rich, don't own a BPO, and have some lvl 2 research agents. Hopeing for the Jackpot FTW !!!!111
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Seishomaru
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Posted - 2006.12.13 10:24:00 -
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I just wanted that invention was capable of changin t1 BPO in NAMED t1 BPO until reaching highest named then being able to produce T2 BPC... EASIER than its now.
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Splagada
Minmatar
Tides of Silence
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Posted - 2006.12.13 10:26:00 -
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well if you hit an officer spawn, you can get billions too, from pure luck. to kill, it requires what... 2 months of skills at worst? or 2 weeks and 3 friends?
between that and a lottery that, to get you in, needs you to train several skills to 5 and do courier missions, i dont know which is more based on pure luck
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Aramendel
Amarr
Queens of the Stone Age
Anarchy Empire
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Posted - 2006.12.13 11:08:00 -
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Edited by: Aramendel on 13/12/2006 11:10:45
Originally by: Splagada
well if you hit an officer spawn, you can get billions too, from pure luck. to kill, it requires what... 2 months of skills at worst? or 2 weeks and 3 friends?
Once.
If you wouldn't get BPOs from the lottery but lets say 50 run BPCs (for cruisers/BCs, for smaller stuff obviously more) then it would be compareable.
But with a BPO it is longterm more profitable by a few orders of magnitude.
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Brannor McThife
Caldari
ISS Navy Task Force
Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.12.13 11:28:00 -
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my aim is simple. If I ever get a non-ammo T2 BPO, I'm going to research it, and then produce BPCs and sell those for the first few months. Yes, I will make less, but I hate the T2 Lottery(tm), even though I have R&D agents.
-G
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Lord WarATron
Amarr
Vanguard Frontiers
Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.12.13 11:38:00 -
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People forget the logistical value of the BPO.
Having the BPO means you can make on the spot - E.G If you have a outpost, and cannot be arsed moving ships from empire, then there is massive value in local produce.
ISK is only part of the reason
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Alton
Caldari
Deadzone Innovation Enterprises
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Posted - 2006.12.13 11:46:00 -
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I say give me all the T2 bpo's and be done with it 
but i think i have more luck at winning the Euro lottery hehe
Good luck to all at getting t2 bpo's
Regards
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