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Royaldo
Old Farts
Storm Armada
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Posted - 2006.12.13 07:09:00 -
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how did someone steal the fed mega? i thought it never got undocked.
and who owns it now? entity? who is that?
worst loss ingame, im not sure. ghsc theft was something else ill say that.
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Kiyirari
Love and Rockets
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Posted - 2006.12.13 07:22:00 -
[32]
Edited by: Kiyirari on 13/12/2006 07:24:19
BoB stole meh milk 'n' cookies and made meh cry 
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Ebodhisatva
Gallente
hunter killers
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Posted - 2006.12.13 10:49:00 -
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Edited by: Ebodhisatva on 13/12/2006 10:50:48
Edited by: Ebodhisatva on 13/12/2006 10:49:53
The worst loss must be the titan...
Keep in mind that Cyvok alone, could never have managed to built such a boat...
If you look at the way it was built... all suppose to be top secret... miners mining for the Titan... people selling their minerals at low price or even just giving them away to make sure the Titan gets built...
All these people see that the Titan, keep in mind that they worked many hours for this titan, has been destroyed... and yes I know that is a part of the deal, this risk that is...
I mean, to raise 160 billion alone could be done by few persons if they get together... but the stuff you need to built a Titan is imho and afaik much more time and effort consuming...
The impoc and the magnate are more like a gift if you would ask me...
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Razor Jaxx
Fate.
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Posted - 2006.12.13 12:37:00 -
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Edited by: Razor Jaxx on 13/12/2006 12:37:09
I'm going to go with the Titan loss.
Yes, a Titan is a non-unique, replaceable item, but its loss will have an impact much beyond that of mere ISK value or physical destruction of an asset.
A Titan is more than just a ship, it's the emblem of an entire alliance, the fruit of collaborative hard work. Already, following this resounding loss, Cyvok, the visionary industrialist behind XETIC & ASCN, has stepped down. Maybe ASCN will recover and their future will be bright, or maybe they won't and it will be bleak. Time will tell. But one thing is certain, the Titan loss will have played a major part in the course of events.
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Rebellion
Caldari
Evolution
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.12.13 13:09:00 -
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The worst losses I and my corporation had to suffer in EVE are when several of our members became inactive. People like Homo Erectus and Faramir were once at the vanguard of our fleets, now they have stepped aside. Those guys are but two of the many we miss.
To be honest, I'd be willing to lose a Titan to bring even one of them back.
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Plan Neun
Caldari
Ganja Unlimited
Serenity Fallen
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Posted - 2006.12.13 13:12:00 -
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I know a gamer that had his CNR in 5 min (happened 2 years ago), I think that is a record. 
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Reann Ni'shaang
4S Corporation
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2006.12.13 13:30:00 -
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I think Khatred has an impressive record of loosing stuff as well. Haven't lost a Titan yet thou? 
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Istvaan Shogaatsu
Guiding Hand Social Club
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Posted - 2006.12.13 18:06:00 -
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Edited by: Istvaan Shogaatsu on 13/12/2006 18:07:11
The ASCN Titan, by far.
Astonishing monetary value and difficulty of fabrication aside, I think what most folks are missing is the fact that the Titan was the pride of ASCN. A powerful weapon, a rallying standard which made their alliance feel powerful and secure. One whose destruction has caused it to become the very opposite: a shattered dream.
In its heyday the heist was cool, but now it's small potatoes. Much grander things have happened.
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Narciss Sevar
Caldari
Sniggerdly
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Posted - 2006.12.13 18:08:00 -
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The hiest, it crippled an alliance. The loss of the titan was bad, but it's not the majority of the alliances wealth. Also the abuse of trust etc goes a long way too.
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Don Carn'age
Caldari
Infinitus Odium
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Posted - 2006.12.13 18:47:00 -
[40]
 Originally by: Sakura Nihil
Originally by: Dark Shikari
The irony was that Dentara lost everything because he attempted to eBay his main and was banned.
So that's why I haven't seen him around lately  - owned.
Dentara betrayed everyone he knew and was friends with, including myself, it wasnt intended to be a scam and wasnt exactly as impressive as the GHSC as dentara just decided he didnt want to be legit one magical day.
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yunger
Big Guns Inc.
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Posted - 2006.12.13 19:05:00 -
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Catalyst reaction running of with all of chimps stuff. (about 40-50bilions) that hurt considering how much we liked them and respected them before the incident.
Think main corp leaving alliance all the time saying that they are just "relocating som alliance stuff" then running of with 40+bilions worth of materials. Including all the poses and all the pos fuel (even having the nerv to have an alliance ice minin op a few days earlier)
Reseating all the standings so chimp¦s can¦t even know who the **** they are suposed to be allied with.
And breaking a sponsor deal with a IAC corp stealing their stuff then basicly telling them to go screw themself.
Alltoug now in the end i feel good to know that for a while in eve¦s history i was part of alliance that guarded their 3 stations with 3 medium poses and hardly any guns, the about 30 hours of fuel we had lying around (and thankfylly they left some of the alliance fuel on market so we could buy it back..) untill we could make a nighly raid to empire with the freighter to get more. And a deffens fleet peaking at 60 players.
Faking power ftw (the faking part got hard after a gm accidently deleted a pos making one of the stations sov free)
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Latex Mistress
Body Count Inc.
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.12.13 19:17:00 -
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Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu
The ASCN Titan, by far.
Astonishing monetary value and difficulty of fabrication aside, I think what most folks are missing is the fact that the Titan was the pride of ASCN. A powerful weapon, a rallying standard which made their alliance feel powerful and secure. One whose destruction has caused it to become the very opposite: a shattered dream.
True, but the fact is 99% of ASCN didn't even know they had it until it was built. What's more, it was hardly used as a weapon. Hardly used at all in fact.
I think the shattered dream came after CYVOK built it, used it (and failed), then was talking about how it was a defensive weapon only, yadda yadda yadda... when BoB burned a path with theirs right into AZN, it was reasonable to ask: Where is our defense now? Answer: A cold wreck floating in the middle of nowhere.
But was it the worst loss? I don't think so: there's no sense of betrayal or emptiness associated with the Titan loss (at least I don't think so) like there was with the heist. It's not the money, it's the trust (and the fear of what you and your crew could do). That alone is greater than a single combat ship loss. Hell, the IMPOC was worth more imo.
Of course the whole topic is subjective but it's good to hear from the man who started it all. 
LM
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Danton Marcellus
Nebula Rasa Holdings
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Posted - 2006.12.13 19:23:00 -
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Itemwise the Heist, resourcewise I'd say Cyvok.
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Liu Kaskakka
PAK
Shroud Of Darkness
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Posted - 2006.12.13 19:45:00 -
[44]
Originally by: Latex Mistress
Of course the whole topic is subjective
That was the point of this thread: what would have made you consider quitting if you would have to face it personally?
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Cupdeez
Vengeance of the Fallen
Imperium Alliance
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Posted - 2006.12.13 19:58:00 -
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You guys all talk about The ASCN Titan loss...
What about The ASCN Titan, All the ASCN POS, and the ASCN 0.0 Space. If you add that up you can't put a price tag on all of it. An alliance that big that used 0.0 to rat hunt, mine, run missions, and make money from POS is all gone.
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DaChMon
Caldari
FireTech
Imperium Alliance
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Posted - 2006.12.13 21:51:00 -
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the biggest loss in eve was the loss of my main character by sale cause i was quitting.
If anyone feel like giving me the isk to buy me a new char i would make sweet lube to ya.
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Shadow Ballet
Artificial Horizons
YouWhat
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Posted - 2006.12.13 23:57:00 -
[47]
Originally by: DaChMon
the biggest loss in eve was the loss of my main character by sale cause i was quitting.
If anyone feel like giving me the isk to buy me a new char i would make sweet lube to ya.
^^
You sold your main? for real cash?  How many skillpoints did he have, or how many do you estimate he would have had today?
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Blood Thorn
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Posted - 2006.12.14 00:06:00 -
[48]
The Heist.
It is amazing that folks would even consider the loss of the Titan as being on the same scale. It isn't. It's not even close.
The only reason why I even play this game is because of The Heist. I read about it and said "Wow, I gotta try this game". The Heist demonstrates the openess of Eve. It demonstrates that CCP had enough trust in players to give them an open sandbox to build what they would.
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Masta Killa
The Collective
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2006.12.14 00:09:00 -
[49]
When I accidentally sold a cap recharger II for 1.7 mil.. I have never cried as much as I did the following 7 days 
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Latex Mistress
Body Count Inc.
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.12.14 01:23:00 -
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Originally by: Liu Kaskakka
Originally by: Latex Mistress
Of course the whole topic is subjective
That was the point of this thread: what would have made you consider quitting if you would have to face it personally?
The Heist would have probably been enough for me to walk.
The Titan? Hell, if I had the kind of charisma and power that CYVOK wielded, I'd have another in a week! 
LM
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Raem Civrie
Umbra Congregatio
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.12.14 01:30:00 -
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Originally by: Narciss Sevar
The hiest, it crippled an alliance. The loss of the titan was bad, but it's not the majority of the alliances wealth. Also the abuse of trust etc goes a long way too.
That titan loss arguably did more to ASCN than the Heist did to UQS. While Mirial was just the leader of UQS, she wasn't the sort of unifying Monarch that CYVOK has been to CLS and ASCN, nor was any of the valuables lost as symbolic as the Avatar.
The difference here was the methods used, but that's another ballgame entirely.
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Baun
4S Corporation
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2006.12.14 01:41:00 -
[52]
Originally by: Reann Ni'shaang
I think Khatred has an impressive record of loosing stuff as well. Haven't lost a Titan yet thou?
The two outpost kills that have happened should ***** the top 10 but they are not crippling in the same way as a lot the other things mentioned.
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Beringe
Caldari
Raptus Regaliter
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Posted - 2006.12.14 02:31:00 -
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Originally by: Latex Mistress
It's not the money, it's the trust
I'd say it's the money and the trust that makes it so devastating.
Really, the betrayal was so complete (and completely despicable ;) ) that it must have been an utter kick in the family jewels.
I think I would much more likely walked away after a thing like that rather than after a loss of a Titan.
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Theonlystd
Caldari
Secret Off Topic
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Posted - 2006.12.14 02:54:00 -
[54]
Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu
Edited by: Istvaan Shogaatsu on 13/12/2006 18:07:11
The ASCN Titan, by far.
Astonishing monetary value and difficulty of fabrication aside, I think what most folks are missing is the fact that the Titan was the pride of ASCN. A powerful weapon, a rallying standard which made their alliance feel powerful and secure. One whose destruction has caused it to become the very opposite: a shattered dream.
In its heyday the heist was cool, but now it's small potatoes. Much grander things have happened.
Id vote the Heist. True thats a terrible blow to ASCN.
But what Eve lost from the Heist was trust ;)
I tell friends who recently joined the game to be wary of all and not just let any by in there corps. They ask y and i link to the Heist Story.. And im sure im not the only one. Titan Destructions will become more common and poeple have a hard time recalling who lost the first Titan and where.. Im sure poeple will still link to the Heist story.. |
Prolix
InNova Tech Inc
Xelas Alliance
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Posted - 2006.12.14 06:00:00 -
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i lost an Velator not too long ago
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Istvaan Shogaatsu
Guiding Hand Social Club
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Posted - 2006.12.14 06:29:00 -
[56]
Originally by: Rebellion
The worst losses I and my corporation had to suffer in EVE are when several of our members became inactive. People like Homo Erectus and Faramir were once at the vanguard of our fleets, now they have stepped aside. Those guys are but two of the many we miss.
To be honest, I'd be willing to lose a Titan to bring even one of them back.
I can bring Homo back. I'd settle for a Wyvern as payment ;)
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Nyphur
Pillowsoft
Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.12.14 06:47:00 -
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Edited by: Nyphur on 14/12/2006 06:47:15
A lot of people forget that capital is an investment in eve. The GHSC heist stole more than a titan's worth of stuff because those assets stolen (including bpos) were put to work to generate isk.
Even if they had stolen those bpos a year or two ago and handed them over to NAGA or BIG to produce for them, the isk they would have made doing absolutely nothing since then and the increase in the bpo value since then would put the total stolen way over the 200 billion mark required for a titan bpo, all capital part bpos and all the minerals required.
EDIT: What I mean is that the assets stolen have grown and been used to generate more wealth.
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Retsil Evad
Caldari
Coalition of Inter-Galactic Addicted Rodents
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Posted - 2006.12.14 07:15:00 -
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I would have to go with The Heist.
Yes, losing the Titan was a huge loss but ASCN still have the BPO and the manpower to build another one. In fact i woud not be surprised if they did not already have another one on the bake.
The Heist, on the other hands, stripped away most, if not all, of the victim corps asset base.
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Miss Overlord
Gallente
Ferrum Pugnus
New Eve Order
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Posted - 2006.12.14 07:41:00 -
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mmmm ASCN were referring to " the spare" at one point so probable
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Cupdeez
Vengeance of the Fallen
Imperium Alliance
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Posted - 2006.12.14 18:04:00 -
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Originally by: Nyphur
Edited by: Nyphur on 14/12/2006 06:47:15
A lot of people forget that capital is an investment in eve. The GHSC heist stole more than a titan's worth of stuff because those assets stolen (including bpos) were put to work to generate isk.
Even if they had stolen those bpos a year or two ago and handed them over to NAGA or BIG to produce for them, the isk they would have made doing absolutely nothing since then and the increase in the bpo value since then would put the total stolen way over the 200 billion mark required for a titan bpo, all capital part bpos and all the minerals required.
EDIT: What I mean is that the assets stolen have grown and been used to generate more wealth.
Only problem is all the BPO stolen were all T1 BPO you can buy on the market today. Most Corp's have all of them anyways not to many corps have a titan BPO. Evevery BPO that was stolen could have been replaces much faster then a titian.
The skillz to build, fly, time needed, and the POS needed to use/make a titan is crazy. The heist was good in the day but I know many more people that did better heists involving T2 BPO that are worth much more then the T1 stolen in the write up.
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