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Liu Kaskakka PAK Shroud Of Darkness	Posted - 2006.12.12 20:36:00 - [1] What makes Eve stand out in the MMO world is that it takes lots of time and effort to gain access to some toys and gameplay content, and you can lose it all in a blink of an eye. Who in your opinion has suffered the most when losing something valuable in eve; be it on an alliance, corp or personal level. It might be difficult to judge which loss must've felt worst but what do you think in the history of Eve would have made you seriously consider quitting the game and never come back? Cyvoks latest? The GHSC heist? DC's? King Liu is RIGHT!!
Silvestri FIRMA Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2006.12.12 20:40:00 - [2] the heist....that was just wrong.
Vestalia Gaea The Echelon	Posted - 2006.12.12 20:43:00 - [3] Losing a titan built by the sweat and labour of my alliance would have definetely made me quit 'A disorderly mob is no more an army than a heap of building materials is a house.'
Beringe Caldari Raptus Regaliter	Posted - 2006.12.12 20:59:00 - [4] I'll go with the heist. The size of the theft was most remarkable because of the size of the target. Then again, ASCN really didn't need a titan loss at this stage. It's a toss-up. ------------------------------------------- "Sarcasm and irony are not to be used by the uninitiated." --Daitan Beringe, honorary director in charge of bottles--
Aethana	Posted - 2006.12.12 21:00:00 - [5] The hiest?
Wild Rho Amarr Black Omega Security	Posted - 2006.12.12 21:03:00 - [6] The Imperial Apoc and Gold Magnate by tyraxx. The titan loss is expensive but it can be replaced. The Imp Apoc and Magnate were priceless in that regard. I have the body of a supermodel. I just can't remember where I left it.
Liu Kaskakka PAK Shroud Of Darkness	Posted - 2006.12.12 21:08:00 - [7] Originally by: Wild Rho The Imperial Apoc and Gold Magnate by tyraxx. Yeah, but Tyrrax fought in them (hats off) so he was prepared to lose 'em too. King Liu is RIGHT!!
Beringe Caldari Raptus Regaliter	Posted - 2006.12.12 21:09:00 - [8] Originally by: Aethana The hiest? The Heist ------------------------------------------- "Sarcasm and irony are not to be used by the uninitiated." --Daitan Beringe, honorary director in charge of bottles--
Shyalud Chosen Path Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.12.12 21:11:00 - [9] The heist, simply because of the huge abuse of trust and the paranoia it caused game wide. It was the most disgusting act I've witnesed in Eve. Originally by: Jules The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the iniquities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men.
Aeleva Caldari Hegemonic Core Distant Star Alliance	Posted - 2006.12.12 21:31:00 - [10] EVE investment bank scam. 400bil made for the guy who did that. The heist was awesome though.
Liu Kaskakka PAK Shroud Of Darkness	Posted - 2006.12.12 21:37:00 - [11] Originally by: Aeleva EVE investment bank scam. 400bil made for the guy who did that. That was big for the guy who took it but were the individual investors affected that much? Personally I wouldn't invest a large share of my total wealth into a scam-waiting-to-happen business venture (but then again, you never know with people). King Liu is RIGHT!!
ponieus Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.12 21:57:00 - [12] Originally by: Vestalia Gaea Losing a titan built by the sweat and labour of my alliance would have definetely made me quit the beauty of a ship you hold the bpo on.. It can and will most likely be rebuilt by ASCN. I for one think the IMPOC loss has to hurt more than the Titan just becuase well it CANNOT be replaced.. There is no replacing it its gone.. And most of EVE watched it happen. But loads of repect for Ty he did use it they way it was meant to be used. Big set of brass ones.. ----------------------------------------------- ok ok
Dracorimus Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.12 21:59:00 - [13] The Heist Such an evil thing to do -
Vishnej Demonic Retribution Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2006.12.12 22:01:00 - [14] Edited by: Vishnej on 12/12/2006 22:02:58 If Aeliva is correct, the EIB scam grosses 60,000 USD according to today's IGE price index. Probably quite a bit less wholesale from a less reputable trader, but far above the 16.5k USD reported Heist. Measuring in USD against isk-sellers is the only means I'm aware of to correct for ingame inflation, just to forestall complaints.
Altai Saker Omniscient Order The Sani Sabik	Posted - 2006.12.12 22:06:00 - [15] I'm gonna go with DC's loss. http://www.omniscient-order.com/
Orrin Danestarr Minmatar Merchants Trade Consortium New Eden Conglomerate	Posted - 2006.12.12 22:10:00 - [16] The Heist by far was the worst... "Imagination is the key that unlocks the door." - ME
Turkantho Asgard Schiffswerften Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.12.12 22:18:00 - [17] Originally by: Altai Saker I'm gonna go with DC's loss. what did he lost ? and DC = digital communist ? ________ been there, done that, got the t-shirt
Myadra Amarr Blood Inquisition Sani Khal'Vecna	Posted - 2006.12.12 22:21:00 - [18] Edited by: Myadra on 12/12/2006 22:21:30 Originally by: Turkantho Originally by: Altai Saker I'm gonna go with DC's loss. what did he lost ? and DC = digital communist ? I think he lost the only Federate Issue Megathron.. Like the Imperial Apoc , but a one of the kind. Edit: who suffered the most, I think, Cyvok :) BL-IN site & Killboard
Turkantho Asgard Schiffswerften Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.12.12 22:33:00 - [19] Thx, well then I would go with those things that are irreplaceable, Golden Magnate and the Federate Issue Megathron. With those not only the Pilot / Corps lost something but EvE as a hole lost something. ________ been there, done that, got the t-shirt
Joshua Foiritain Gallente Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate	Posted - 2006.12.12 22:54:00 - [20] Originally by: Myadra Edited by: Myadra on 12/12/2006 22:21:30 Originally by: Turkantho Originally by: Altai Saker I'm gonna go with DC's loss. what did he lost ? and DC = digital communist ? I think he lost the only Federate Issue Megathron.. Like the Imperial Apoc , but a one of the kind. Edit: who suffered the most, I think, Cyvok :) And an ishtar bpo apparently. ----- [Coreli Corporation Mainframe]
Muskells Rage of Angels	Posted - 2006.12.12 22:55:00 - [21] Edited by: Muskells on 12/12/2006 23:02:20 What was stolen in the heist? Im guessing GHSC is Guilding Hand Social Club. Who took what? EDIT: I say CYVOK's Titan loss imo especially the way he lost it
Gutsani The Priory Shroud Of Darkness	Posted - 2006.12.12 23:23:00 - [22] i found the loss of all my ranisses painfull cyvok's titan, naah .. you know, he was gonna lose it anyway all those heists, yeh .. its game i'm not sure i have a worst kill. the most costly one will deffo be cyvok, the emotional one will be all the unique faction ships that went poof, the longest one must be the dominix we took down today, the funiest one must be the viator we took down yesterday, .. as for myselve, losing my first dominix to degrand. and some people even forgot to corp insure it! ------------------------ Stop reading my siggy!
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.12.12 23:32:00 - [23] Edited by: Dark Shikari on 12/12/2006 23:33:57 Originally by: Aeleva EVE investment bank scam. 400bil made for the guy who did that. The heist was awesome though. Actually, he took quite a bit less than 100b. (at least that is what the evidence shows) The biggest scam of EIB was the lie about how much was taken, including the photoshopped screenshots. The irony was that Dentara lost everything because he attempted to eBay his main and was banned. Back on topic, I'd say the worst losses are those that people aren't prepared for and which cripple them. Cyvok's Titan loss would nearly make that, though I doubt it has "crippled" an entire alliance. -[23] Member- Awesome new space games site, from the editor of E-ON!
Slender Brenda Caldari Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.12 23:36:00 - [24] Don't know what my worst loss is. But I'm 100% certain that raven loss yesterday was BEST loss ever. ---------- Cyvok DD-ed my raven... and ASCN is crying now.
Sakura Nihil Tabula Rasa Systems The Star Fraction	Posted - 2006.12.12 23:55:00 - [25] Originally by: Dark Shikari The irony was that Dentara lost everything because he attempted to eBay his main and was banned. So that's why I haven't seen him around lately - owned.
War Bear Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.12.13 00:25:00 - [26] Edited by: War Bear on 13/12/2006 00:25:26 Originally by: Muskells Edited by: Muskells on 12/12/2006 23:02:20 What was stolen in the heist? Im guessing GHSC is Guilding Hand Social Club. Who took what? EDIT: I say CYVOK's Titan loss imo especially the way he lost it Full story here. No matter where you go, there you are.
Mutant Caldari	Posted - 2006.12.13 01:27:00 - [27] The Federate Issue Mega did not go pop.It was stolen and then sold to Entity and it now sits in his hangar just like almost every item in Eve.I believe there is 1 more Impoc in the game and that Titan loss was just stupidity because of him not knowing simple game mechanics.
Ackaroth Gallente Catalyst Reaction Xelas Alliance	Posted - 2006.12.13 02:12:00 - [28] I would have to say the heist. Huge loss, trust and isk, and huge gain to EVE history. I read about the heist in the December (or maybe January) issue of PC gamer, or computer gaming world, one of those magazines. Anyway, its what brought me back into EVE. EVE was always talked about for having such a strong backstory, and all the politics and such, and as a lowly player I never saw much of that at all until then. Since coming back I have been a part of 2 decent sized alliances and enjoyed the game alot more. Some say for shame over the heist, I really like what it did for the game and for the storyline.
Malthros Zenobia Caldari Independent Navy Reserve	Posted - 2006.12.13 03:42:00 - [29] The GHSC heist. Tyraxx's ship losses are pretty huge, ISK-value wise, however ships are not made to be left in hanagrs until the day EVE shuts down for good. Originally by: kieron The Carrier was never intended to be a solo OMGWTF mission-farming PWNmobile.
kessah Caldari Veto.	Posted - 2006.12.13 04:50:00 - [30] GHSC Heist defo. -------------------------------------------------------- Forever Pirate 2
Royaldo Old Farts Storm Armada	Posted - 2006.12.13 07:09:00 - [31] how did someone steal the fed mega? i thought it never got undocked. and who owns it now? entity? who is that? worst loss ingame, im not sure. ghsc theft was something else ill say that.
Kiyirari Love and Rockets	Posted - 2006.12.13 07:22:00 - [32] Edited by: Kiyirari on 13/12/2006 07:24:19 BoB stole meh milk 'n' cookies and made meh cry Revenge is my god and my guns are her angels
Ebodhisatva Gallente hunter killers	Posted - 2006.12.13 10:49:00 - [33] Edited by: Ebodhisatva on 13/12/2006 10:50:48 Edited by: Ebodhisatva on 13/12/2006 10:49:53 The worst loss must be the titan... Keep in mind that Cyvok alone, could never have managed to built such a boat... If you look at the way it was built... all suppose to be top secret... miners mining for the Titan... people selling their minerals at low price or even just giving them away to make sure the Titan gets built... All these people see that the Titan, keep in mind that they worked many hours for this titan, has been destroyed... and yes I know that is a part of the deal, this risk that is... I mean, to raise 160 billion alone could be done by few persons if they get together... but the stuff you need to built a Titan is imho and afaik much more time and effort consuming... The impoc and the magnate are more like a gift if you would ask me... Should you choose to test my resolve in this matter, you will be facing a finality beyond your comprehension, and you will not be counting days, or months, or years, but milleniums in a place with no
Razor Jaxx Fate.	Posted - 2006.12.13 12:37:00 - [34] Edited by: Razor Jaxx on 13/12/2006 12:37:09 I'm going to go with the Titan loss. Yes, a Titan is a non-unique, replaceable item, but its loss will have an impact much beyond that of mere ISK value or physical destruction of an asset. A Titan is more than just a ship, it's the emblem of an entire alliance, the fruit of collaborative hard work. Already, following this resounding loss, Cyvok, the visionary industrialist behind XETIC & ASCN, has stepped down. Maybe ASCN will recover and their future will be bright, or maybe they won't and it will be bleak. Time will tell. But one thing is certain, the Titan loss will have played a major part in the course of events. Fate kills
Rebellion Caldari Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.13 13:09:00 - [35] The worst losses I and my corporation had to suffer in EVE are when several of our members became inactive. People like Homo Erectus and Faramir were once at the vanguard of our fleets, now they have stepped aside. Those guys are but two of the many we miss. To be honest, I'd be willing to lose a Titan to bring even one of them back.
Plan Neun Caldari Ganja Unlimited Serenity Fallen	Posted - 2006.12.13 13:12:00 - [36] I know a gamer that had his CNR in 5 min (happened 2 years ago), I think that is a record. "I Will Drug You and Fluff You, through the permafrost"
Reann Ni'shaang 4S Corporation Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2006.12.13 13:30:00 - [37] I think Khatred has an impressive record of loosing stuff as well. Haven't lost a Titan yet thou?
Istvaan Shogaatsu Guiding Hand Social Club	Posted - 2006.12.13 18:06:00 - [38] Edited by: Istvaan Shogaatsu on 13/12/2006 18:07:11 The ASCN Titan, by far. Astonishing monetary value and difficulty of fabrication aside, I think what most folks are missing is the fact that the Titan was the pride of ASCN. A powerful weapon, a rallying standard which made their alliance feel powerful and secure. One whose destruction has caused it to become the very opposite: a shattered dream. In its heyday the heist was cool, but now it's small potatoes. Much grander things have happened.
Narciss Sevar Caldari Sniggerdly	Posted - 2006.12.13 18:08:00 - [39] The hiest, it crippled an alliance. The loss of the titan was bad, but it's not the majority of the alliances wealth. Also the abuse of trust etc goes a long way too. ----
Don Carn'age Caldari Infinitus Odium	Posted - 2006.12.13 18:47:00 - [40] Originally by: Sakura Nihil Originally by: Dark Shikari The irony was that Dentara lost everything because he attempted to eBay his main and was banned. So that's why I haven't seen him around lately - owned. Dentara betrayed everyone he knew and was friends with, including myself, it wasnt intended to be a scam and wasnt exactly as impressive as the GHSC as dentara just decided he didnt want to be legit one magical day. Don Your signature is too large. Please see the Forum Rules for the limits - Serathu ([email protected])
yunger Big Guns Inc.	Posted - 2006.12.13 19:05:00 - [41] Catalyst reaction running of with all of chimps stuff. (about 40-50bilions) that hurt considering how much we liked them and respected them before the incident. Think main corp leaving alliance all the time saying that they are just "relocating som alliance stuff" then running of with 40+bilions worth of materials. Including all the poses and all the pos fuel (even having the nerv to have an alliance ice minin op a few days earlier) Reseating all the standings so chimp¦s can¦t even know who the **** they are suposed to be allied with. And breaking a sponsor deal with a IAC corp stealing their stuff then basicly telling them to go screw themself. Alltoug now in the end i feel good to know that for a while in eve¦s history i was part of alliance that guarded their 3 stations with 3 medium poses and hardly any guns, the about 30 hours of fuel we had lying around (and thankfylly they left some of the alliance fuel on market so we could buy it back..) untill we could make a nighly raid to empire with the freighter to get more. And a deffens fleet peaking at 60 players. Faking power ftw (the faking part got hard after a gm accidently deleted a pos making one of the stations sov free)
Latex Mistress Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.12.13 19:17:00 - [42] Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu The ASCN Titan, by far. Astonishing monetary value and difficulty of fabrication aside, I think what most folks are missing is the fact that the Titan was the pride of ASCN. A powerful weapon, a rallying standard which made their alliance feel powerful and secure. One whose destruction has caused it to become the very opposite: a shattered dream. True, but the fact is 99% of ASCN didn't even know they had it until it was built. What's more, it was hardly used as a weapon. Hardly used at all in fact. I think the shattered dream came after CYVOK built it, used it (and failed), then was talking about how it was a defensive weapon only, yadda yadda yadda... when BoB burned a path with theirs right into AZN, it was reasonable to ask: Where is our defense now? Answer: A cold wreck floating in the middle of nowhere. But was it the worst loss? I don't think so: there's no sense of betrayal or emptiness associated with the Titan loss (at least I don't think so) like there was with the heist. It's not the money, it's the trust (and the fear of what you and your crew could do). That alone is greater than a single combat ship loss. Hell, the IMPOC was worth more imo. Of course the whole topic is subjective but it's good to hear from the man who started it all. LM Latex Mistresss: bringing truth to the truculent one post at a time
Danton Marcellus Nebula Rasa Holdings	Posted - 2006.12.13 19:23:00 - [43] Itemwise the Heist, resourcewise I'd say Cyvok. Ourselves Alone
Liu Kaskakka PAK Shroud Of Darkness	Posted - 2006.12.13 19:45:00 - [44] Originally by: Latex Mistress Of course the whole topic is subjective That was the point of this thread: what would have made you consider quitting if you would have to face it personally? King Liu is RIGHT!!
Cupdeez Vengeance of the Fallen Imperium Alliance	Posted - 2006.12.13 19:58:00 - [45] You guys all talk about The ASCN Titan loss... What about The ASCN Titan, All the ASCN POS, and the ASCN 0.0 Space. If you add that up you can't put a price tag on all of it. An alliance that big that used 0.0 to rat hunt, mine, run missions, and make money from POS is all gone. Price tag = $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ Signature filesize exceeds max limit of 24000 bytes. Mail us if you have questions -Eldo Davip
DaChMon Caldari FireTech Imperium Alliance	Posted - 2006.12.13 21:51:00 - [46] the biggest loss in eve was the loss of my main character by sale cause i was quitting. If anyone feel like giving me the isk to buy me a new char i would make sweet lube to ya. ^^ ------ My oppinion, views, flames, whines, discussions, rants and all other postings are not the view of my corp, my alliance, or anyone affiliated with me or my family.
Shadow Ballet Artificial Horizons YouWhat	Posted - 2006.12.13 23:57:00 - [47] Originally by: DaChMon the biggest loss in eve was the loss of my main character by sale cause i was quitting. If anyone feel like giving me the isk to buy me a new char i would make sweet lube to ya. ^^ You sold your main? for real cash? How many skillpoints did he have, or how many do you estimate he would have had today?
Blood Thorn	Posted - 2006.12.14 00:06:00 - [48] The Heist. It is amazing that folks would even consider the loss of the Titan as being on the same scale. It isn't. It's not even close. The only reason why I even play this game is because of The Heist. I read about it and said "Wow, I gotta try this game". The Heist demonstrates the openess of Eve. It demonstrates that CCP had enough trust in players to give them an open sandbox to build what they would. ----- Let the galaxy burn
Masta Killa The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2006.12.14 00:09:00 - [49] When I accidentally sold a cap recharger II for 1.7 mil.. I have never cried as much as I did the following 7 days -------------------------------------- Different corp but we still show up and UDIE.
Latex Mistress Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.12.14 01:23:00 - [50] Originally by: Liu Kaskakka Originally by: Latex Mistress Of course the whole topic is subjective That was the point of this thread: what would have made you consider quitting if you would have to face it personally? The Heist would have probably been enough for me to walk. The Titan? Hell, if I had the kind of charisma and power that CYVOK wielded, I'd have another in a week! LM Latex Mistresss: bringing truth to the truculent one post at a time
Raem Civrie Umbra Congregatio Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2006.12.14 01:30:00 - [51] Originally by: Narciss Sevar The hiest, it crippled an alliance. The loss of the titan was bad, but it's not the majority of the alliances wealth. Also the abuse of trust etc goes a long way too. That titan loss arguably did more to ASCN than the Heist did to UQS. While Mirial was just the leader of UQS, she wasn't the sort of unifying Monarch that CYVOK has been to CLS and ASCN, nor was any of the valuables lost as symbolic as the Avatar. The difference here was the methods used, but that's another ballgame entirely. ---- Marginis and Tycho, sitting in a tree, camped in by fifteen hundred IAC
Baun 4S Corporation Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2006.12.14 01:41:00 - [52] Originally by: Reann Ni'shaang I think Khatred has an impressive record of loosing stuff as well. Haven't lost a Titan yet thou? The two outpost kills that have happened should ***** the top 10 but they are not crippling in the same way as a lot the other things mentioned. The Enemy's Gate is Down
Beringe Caldari Raptus Regaliter	Posted - 2006.12.14 02:31:00 - [53] Originally by: Latex Mistress It's not the money, it's the trust I'd say it's the money and the trust that makes it so devastating. Really, the betrayal was so complete (and completely despicable ;) ) that it must have been an utter kick in the family jewels. I think I would much more likely walked away after a thing like that rather than after a loss of a Titan. ------------------------------------------- "Sarcasm and irony are not to be used by the uninitiated." --Daitan Beringe, honorary director in charge of bottles--
Theonlystd Caldari Secret Off Topic	Posted - 2006.12.14 02:54:00 - [54] Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu Edited by: Istvaan Shogaatsu on 13/12/2006 18:07:11 The ASCN Titan, by far. Astonishing monetary value and difficulty of fabrication aside, I think what most folks are missing is the fact that the Titan was the pride of ASCN. A powerful weapon, a rallying standard which made their alliance feel powerful and secure. One whose destruction has caused it to become the very opposite: a shattered dream. In its heyday the heist was cool, but now it's small potatoes. Much grander things have happened. Id vote the Heist. True thats a terrible blow to ASCN. But what Eve lost from the Heist was trust ;) I tell friends who recently joined the game to be wary of all and not just let any by in there corps. They ask y and i link to the Heist Story.. And im sure im not the only one. Titan Destructions will become more common and poeple have a hard time recalling who lost the first Titan and where.. Im sure poeple will still link to the Heist story..
Prolix InNova Tech Inc Xelas Alliance	Posted - 2006.12.14 06:00:00 - [55] i lost an Velator not too long ago ------
Istvaan Shogaatsu Guiding Hand Social Club	Posted - 2006.12.14 06:29:00 - [56] Originally by: Rebellion The worst losses I and my corporation had to suffer in EVE are when several of our members became inactive. People like Homo Erectus and Faramir were once at the vanguard of our fleets, now they have stepped aside. Those guys are but two of the many we miss. To be honest, I'd be willing to lose a Titan to bring even one of them back. I can bring Homo back. I'd settle for a Wyvern as payment ;)
Nyphur Pillowsoft Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.12.14 06:47:00 - [57] Edited by: Nyphur on 14/12/2006 06:47:15 A lot of people forget that capital is an investment in eve. The GHSC heist stole more than a titan's worth of stuff because those assets stolen (including bpos) were put to work to generate isk. Even if they had stolen those bpos a year or two ago and handed them over to NAGA or BIG to produce for them, the isk they would have made doing absolutely nothing since then and the increase in the bpo value since then would put the total stolen way over the 200 billion mark required for a titan bpo, all capital part bpos and all the minerals required. EDIT: What I mean is that the assets stolen have grown and been used to generate more wealth. Eve-Tanking.com - For tanking spreadsheet and resources.
Retsil Evad Caldari Coalition of Inter-Galactic Addicted Rodents	Posted - 2006.12.14 07:15:00 - [58] I would have to go with The Heist. Yes, losing the Titan was a huge loss but ASCN still have the BPO and the manpower to build another one. In fact i woud not be surprised if they did not already have another one on the bake. The Heist, on the other hands, stripped away most, if not all, of the victim corps asset base. CIGAR Corp is Recruiting
Miss Overlord Gallente Ferrum Pugnus New Eve Order	Posted - 2006.12.14 07:41:00 - [59] mmmm ASCN were referring to " the spare" at one point so probable These posts represent my personal views and not those of my corp or alliance. These do not reflect offical alliance or corp views This is a disclaimer
Cupdeez Vengeance of the Fallen Imperium Alliance	Posted - 2006.12.14 18:04:00 - [60] Originally by: Nyphur Edited by: Nyphur on 14/12/2006 06:47:15 A lot of people forget that capital is an investment in eve. The GHSC heist stole more than a titan's worth of stuff because those assets stolen (including bpos) were put to work to generate isk. Even if they had stolen those bpos a year or two ago and handed them over to NAGA or BIG to produce for them, the isk they would have made doing absolutely nothing since then and the increase in the bpo value since then would put the total stolen way over the 200 billion mark required for a titan bpo, all capital part bpos and all the minerals required. EDIT: What I mean is that the assets stolen have grown and been used to generate more wealth. Only problem is all the BPO stolen were all T1 BPO you can buy on the market today. Most Corp's have all of them anyways not to many corps have a titan BPO. Evevery BPO that was stolen could have been replaces much faster then a titian. The skillz to build, fly, time needed, and the POS needed to use/make a titan is crazy. The heist was good in the day but I know many more people that did better heists involving T2 BPO that are worth much more then the T1 stolen in the write up. Signature filesize exceeds max limit of 24000 bytes. Mail us if you have questions -Eldo Davip
Istvaan Shogaatsu Guiding Hand Social Club	Posted - 2006.12.14 18:18:00 - [61] Incorrect. Most of the BPOs we jacked back then were tech II, and quite valuable. Modulated DCM II, Cov Ops Cloak II, Malediction, a bunch of guns and mining gear...
ceirwyn Amarr The Company of Wolves	Posted - 2006.12.14 20:04:00 - [62] Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu Incorrect. Most of the BPOs we jacked back then were tech II, and quite valuable. Modulated DCM II, Cov Ops Cloak II, Malediction, a bunch of guns and mining gear... Yep, I was in UQS at that point under my old main (Ceratin, if people that knew me read this), and I can confirm that. However, I can also say that one of my proudest times in EVE was what we built that corp into AFTER the heist. ISK is nothing when it comes down to it.
analev godder The Syndicate Inc Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.12.14 20:27:00 - [63] The heist Steve was just a tool in the end. Sad way to lose it. But somewhere every ASCN member knew we'd probably be the first to build and the first to lose. Granted the loss is huge isk and resource wise. Pride took a blow. But nothing is worse than trust taking a blow so imo that makes the heist the winner by far
Blood Thorn Minmatar AWE Corporation Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.12.14 20:58:00 - [64] Originally by: analev godder The heist Steve was just a tool in the end. Sad way to lose it. But somewhere every ASCN member knew we'd probably be the first to build and the first to lose. Granted the loss is huge isk and resource wise. Pride took a blow. But nothing is worse than trust taking a blow so imo that makes the heist the winner by far Exactly. Steve will hardly be the only Titan lost in Eve. That is not to take away from the fact of it being lost, but it will not be a unique occurance. The Heist on the other hand........ I doubt that feat will be accomplished again. ----- Let the galaxy burn
MironCosszma Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.14 22:21:00 - [65] in 44 Ike says some wards : "" in Normandy allied force lost less then 30 % of the combat units each procent was a man life ,for planet wasnt much but for those who lost some one there they have 100% loss "" Personal loss for each of us means more then a titan ,impoc ,federal mega or whatever -------------------------- They say the plane and the ordinary are rule by fate And heroic chouse their own destiny I desagree, Samtimes,destiny chouses the Hero.
Buzzmong Gallente Raptus Regaliter Pride - Honor - Duty	Posted - 2006.12.14 23:57:00 - [66] I'd personally vote the heist as the one that grabs the honours, just for the pure emotional pain it caused as a betrayal to the highest degree. So, props to GHSC for it. The titan can and will be replaced, and tbh, if BoB had lost it first, no-one would be saying it's that bad and that they can and will cope without it. --------------------------------- Member of Raptus Regaliter
Audemed Evisceration. Storm Armada	Posted - 2006.12.15 00:10:00 - [67] I'd say the heist, as reading about it is what made me download the game initially.
Elvarien Caldari The Night's Watch THE INTERSTELLAR FOUNDRY	Posted - 2006.12.15 00:28:00 - [68] the heist since it is one of these moments a few select people can look at eachother smile and say Today we won eve. >---- A Haiku with <3 Logged into Jita. System is empty, I cry. Tis a dream come true. Some day.
Shinjuro Solidline Enterprise Kith of Venal	Posted - 2006.12.15 01:00:00 - [69] The Heist was simply.. The Titan was simply..
Gariuys Evil Strangers Inc.	Posted - 2006.12.15 10:10:00 - [70] Biggest impact on the game and a corp... the heist, biggest impact on a alliance, that's the titan. Biggest impact on a single player, that's gonna be DC's. Not because of the loss of wealth but the emotions. The heist was a huge breach of trust and has had a huge impact on everything from recruitement to corp policies, to general level of trust in others in EVE. The titan loss, was unnecessary to be honest, and will have had a huge impact for CYVOK. Loosing the pride of your alliance's fleet to something like that... that's gonna hurt. And DC's loss, back stabbing at it's finest. Although given the chance, a fed thron sure is a nicey.
Omeega Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2006.12.15 10:22:00 - [71] Hassis was one of the game's worst loss. Don't speak english. F1,f2,f3...
Rylan O'dorney	Posted - 2006.12.16 01:09:00 - [72] For sure the hiest. at least that took some planning, conning, and work. probing a titan that logged off.. whatever. I respect the con artist more. At least that took some intelligence and work.
Red Six Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.16 02:21:00 - [73] Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu Incorrect. Most of the BPOs we jacked back then were tech II, and quite valuable. Modulated DCM II, Cov Ops Cloak II, Malediction, a bunch of guns and mining gear... I still think killing the Amarran Emporer on your first year anniversary was your most impressive anniversary present you got for yourself. Though in honesty I think, that while the heist was huge, the Titan loss is having a similar sized impact albeit in a different manner. The amount of headless chicken running around going on scared panic especially after talk about undocumented bugs, people's basic lack of pvp game mechanics and how fast an on the ball Cov Ops pilot scanned him down has people concerned. Like the CEOs who were worried after the heist and learned to take better care of their security, pvpers are learning the true mechanics here. Both incidents taught the intelligent players something while the rest became victims of evolution(pun intended). Originally by: Eridu Fallen Upon closer inspection, that Caldari BS doesn't even look like it got hit with the ugly stick, it looks like it is the ugly stick.
Shinjuro Solidline Enterprise Kith of Venal	Posted - 2006.12.16 03:40:00 - [74] Originally by: Rylan O'dorney For sure the hiest. at least that took some planning, conning, and work. probing a titan that logged off.. whatever. I respect the con artist more. At least that took some intelligence and work. 1. Stupid alt 2. The question asked in the description is "What do you think was the biggest loss ever encountered in eve?" Not which loss was pulled off in the most interesting/well planned way. So the bottom line is.. That titan took a long time in the cooker alone to make. And if that isn't enough, it's worth to the owners is far beyond it's 100+ billion isk price tag.
Creslin Gallente Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.12.16 04:41:00 - [75] Edited by: Creslin on 16/12/2006 04:45:28 I'd say the heist just cause reading about it in PCG made me resub to eve after a painful year away in WoW... all the loses mentioned really sucked and hurt the one who lost the stuff but the heist definitly made the best story of them all... cyvok is close tho.
Graelyn Amarr The Aeternus Crusade Aegis Militia	Posted - 2006.12.16 06:12:00 - [76] Edited by: Graelyn on 16/12/2006 06:22:42 I guess folks should probably be told by now, UQS (The Heist victim corp) lost much more than the Hiest's take recently. Losing someone to a ban: Hurts Losing that person while they are researching every Amarrian capital ship component and module BPO in the game (that UQS paid for): Much ouchies. Scandal ensues, but will of course not be expounded on here. Of course, we shrugged it off again and continue to grow. I can honestly thank Istvaan and co. for granting UQS (Now Yazata Spenta corp) this twisted unbreakable will that makes me so proud of them on a daily basis. I wonder if people realize the amazing feat of building, then losing, then building, then losing again, then building once more of THAT kind of wealth by a 20-active member Roleplay corp. Somehow I'm willing to bet that fact will be ignored by EVE history. "Victory is in reach, if you can but open your eyes to it." Admiral/Executor - Aegis Militia
R0ot InNova Tech Inc Xelas Alliance	Posted - 2006.12.16 06:14:00 - [77] Since i wasn't around for the "Heist" ill go with Cyvoks loss, poor old cryvok ___________________________________________________________________
Audrea Momentum.	Posted - 2006.12.16 06:35:00 - [78] Number one loss would be: Originally by: Rebellion The worst losses I and my corporation had to suffer in EVE are when several of our members became inactive. People like Homo Erectus and Faramir were once at the vanguard of our fleets, now they have stepped aside. Those guys are but two of the many we miss. To be honest, I'd be willing to lose a Titan to bring even one of them back. Human resources are the only thing which truly is priceless, and can not be replaced. 2) A loss which makes the losser quit the game as a result. And last in the top 3 biggest looses would be: 3) A loss from which, the losser cant recover! (I'd count all lost T2 bpos in transit, especially HACs). Save Tranquility!

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