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Exiled One Amarr Imperial Shipment	Posted - 2006.12.13 02:46:00 - [31] Originally by: Admai Sket lol - it can be fixed. BY PEOPLE GETTING THE ** OUT OF JITA! Which will have to do until CCP do something else about it. You realize it's CCP that forced people to go to Jita, by killing Yulai, removing agents from that system and setting up **** up trade routes? It's great being Amarr, aint it?
Letouk Mernel	Posted - 2006.12.13 02:51:00 - [32] One thing is, it takes time to implement whatever fix. If it's adding more hardware, they have to order it, test it, schedule a downtime to install it... If it's software, they have to test it, schedule a downtime to install it, etc. Whatever the solution is, it'll involve some changes to gameplay, probably, to get people out of hubs, and that takes time and meetings to agree on and implement. I'm sure they'll fix it. Every MMO has problems when too many people enter one zone, the concept of spreading players around the zones is as old as the MMO genre. Now, if it were me, I'd introduce market taxes based on how crowded the system is, and apply them to the seller. The buyer has no choice but to go where the goods are (cheapest), so slap the sellers and they'll spread out. That's my theory; it may be wrong and you might not agree, shrug. I'll wait to see what they do.
Miss Overlord Gallente Ferrum Pugnus New Eve Order	Posted - 2006.12.13 02:56:00 - [33] congestion tax works great in london perhaps to jump into jita requires 100k ( tho woudl affect noobs) so yes a higher seller tax would be best and also apply to contracts These posts represent my personal views and not those of my corp or alliance. These do not reflect offical alliance or corp views This is a disclaimer
Namaqua	Posted - 2006.12.13 03:00:00 - [34] u in the labour party? please dont bring UK way of life into this game, I am trying to escape from in the other universe.
Ecnav Gallente hirr Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2006.12.13 03:33:00 - [35] Complaining about Jita is liek complaining about traffic in all of the major cities of the world (London, Washington D.C., Munic...) get over it! __ _ __ _ __ _ __ _ __ _ __ _ __ _ __ _ __ _ __ I don't have a sig (yet)*
Miss Overlord Gallente Ferrum Pugnus New Eve Order	Posted - 2006.12.13 03:35:00 - [36] we need more public transport ( perhaps more JCs allow ppl ot move around more reduce realianice on highway travel) These posts represent my personal views and not those of my corp or alliance. These do not reflect offical alliance or corp views This is a disclaimer
Admai Sket	Posted - 2006.12.13 03:54:00 - [37] Originally by: Exiled One Originally by: Admai Sket lol - it can be fixed. BY PEOPLE GETTING THE ** OUT OF JITA! Which will have to do until CCP do something else about it. You realize it's CCP that forced people to go to Jita, by killing Yulai, removing agents from that system and setting up **** up trade routes? But that doesn't matter! The point is, we NEED to leave Jita on mass, reduce the number of people in Jita to stabilise this thing until CCCCCP steps in and does something their end- whether it is convienient for us or not!
mallina Caldari	Posted - 2006.12.13 04:36:00 - [38] people will always want a hub system look at the bigger picture, you could remove Jita from the game entirely and people would just go to Ours and lag that system out instead only way to permanently get rid of this issue is to have a system where there was some sort of penalty to more popular systems. Sales Tax, Agent Quality, Docking Fees, etc could all be made to automatically change depending on a systems popularity. it would go a long way in spreading people out ----------- Turbulance
Miss Overlord Gallente Ferrum Pugnus New Eve Order	Posted - 2006.12.13 04:48:00 - [39] add some calderi navy agents in amarr and gallente low sec areas These posts represent my personal views and not those of my corp or alliance. These do not reflect offical alliance or corp views This is a disclaimer
CarIito Brigante	Posted - 2006.12.13 05:19:00 - [40] Jita is a problem admitedly and so are some other high sec places that have everything in one system i think the easiest solution would be to have some form off traffic lights like it is in real life to control the traffic or like the gate queing system have a limit on the amount of pilots in jita so say like 300 and when thats reached and a player leaves, no1 in the queing system has a minute slot to jump through if failed he goes to the back of the que or something like that iono but something has to be done
EaglesFire Gallente Solidline Enterprise Kith of Venal	Posted - 2006.12.13 05:30:00 - [41] Jita, and other systems, have high traffic due to the large number of sellers. Easy fix, change the tax rate for selling and buying items on the market and contracts by 30%. And drop it by 10% for every one jump out, till you get to normal at 3 jumps. Now, this will not 'fix' the problem. BUT it give the DEV's a great tool to control traffic by raising or lowering the tax rate. People will shop where it is cheaper, so make it a little more pricey, and they will move. "Knowledge is power, and the uninformed SHALL be punished!" This is me.
Miss Overlord Gallente Ferrum Pugnus New Eve Order	Posted - 2006.12.13 05:32:00 - [42] i dont know if CCP will go for this but given all the ctds ive decided for then ext few huors to use SISI to see if exploration and other things have improved plus pick up any last minute bugs for reporting These posts represent my personal views and not those of my corp or alliance. These do not reflect offical alliance or corp views This is a disclaimer
Exiled One Amarr Imperial Shipment	Posted - 2006.12.13 05:43:00 - [43] Originally by: Admai Sket Originally by: Exiled One Originally by: Admai Sket lol - it can be fixed. BY PEOPLE GETTING THE ** OUT OF JITA! Which will have to do until CCP do something else about it. You realize it's CCP that forced people to go to Jita, by killing Yulai, removing agents from that system and setting up ** up trade routes? But that doesn't matter! The point is, we NEED to leave Jita on mass, reduce the number of people in Jita to stabilise this thing until CCCCCP steps in and does something their end- whether it is convienient for us or not! 20 leave, 700 stay, difference? People need to sell/resell/buy stuff someplace, unless trade routes are changes, people will stay in jita no matter what. Same **, different day. It's great being Amarr, aint it?
Creslin Gallente Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.12.13 06:00:00 - [44] I think they should do what AC did, just nova the entire system... first round of the kali wars can be the someone making the jita sun supernova and destroy the entire system! that should make people move out ;p
Weirda Minmatar Queens of the Stone Age Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2006.12.13 06:07:00 - [45] Originally by: Exiled One Originally by: Admai Sket lol - it can be fixed. BY PEOPLE GETTING THE ** OUT OF JITA! Which will have to do until CCP do something else about it. You realize it's CCP that forced people to go to Jita, by killing Yulai, removing agents from that system and setting up **** up trade routes? you imagine what Yulai would be like today - how close it was to everything... would make Jita look like flacid strap-on conference! __ Weirda Join QotSA
Roemy Schneider BINFORD	Posted - 2006.12.13 06:47:00 - [46] no need for drastic actions - a handful of "minor" tools are at hand: snip sobaseki<>jita and replace it with sobaseki<>perimeter (or urlen) snip muvolailen<>jita and replaace it with kisogo<>muvolailen for example -> i estimate a 5% lesser strain from transit to lonetrek and the passage to the citadel not much, i know... but it's a start, travellers are happy. and if people still want to idle in _the_ jita, it might aswell be a little offroute
Rodge Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.13 07:41:00 - [47] The problem of it being such a superhub is pretty easy to fix. Dynamically increase the refining tax the more often a particular station is used (that'll get people out of the 4-4 station). Not by a huge amount, but a lot of tiny daily rates. Dynamically reduce agent quality the more people use an agent, let the quality go back up as people use it less. Raise market taxes in a similar way. So people can do everything they used to in any system, it'll just eventually cost more than in neighbouring systems, so people will move all by themselves. Sig inappropriate-not eve related -Abdalion [ 2005.04.17 00:34:30 ] Nagilam > u better leave Rodge, u will not gank any1 else 2nite......
Manfred Doomhammer Caldari ShadowTec Inc. Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2006.12.13 07:44:00 - [48] another sollution to the jita problem would be a half-hourly system purge with a systemwide DD.... make it affect docked ships too, and voila. ---- Manfred Doomhammer CEO ShadowTec Inc.

wystler Forum Moderator Interstellar Services Department	Posted - 2006.12.13 15:18:00 - [49] Thread cleaned. Do not swear in your posts, even if partially or wholly masked by stars. There is simply no need and no call for it. eve-crc.net \| forum rules \| [email protected] Official keeper of the smilie. Yarr!

Fubear Vogon Heavy Industries	Posted - 2006.12.13 15:36:00 - [50] The only solution to the Jita problem is to remove Jita from the game. It has been the major trade hub for far too long, and for as long as Jita exists people will head there to trade no matter what you do to stop it. I would nuke simply Jita and the surrounding systems. Have some spatial anomaly send the stars in the systems nova heavily damaging the stations. The damaged stations would lose all station services and only allow hanger/clone bay access. Concord would announce that the stations are irreparably damaged and only have four months of life support remaining before becoming unusable, and all citizens are to commence an immediate evacuation of the area. After 4 months to stations would become undockable, system security would drop to 0.4, and the area would become a tourist attraction for new pilots like the Eve Gate is today.
Gone'Postal Minmatar LuthorCorp Combat Division	Posted - 2006.12.13 15:41:00 - [51] Originally by: Fubear The only solution to the Jita problem is to remove Jita from the game. It has been the major trade hub for far too long, and for as long as Jita exists people will head there to trade no matter what you do to stop it. I would nuke simply Jita and the surrounding systems. Have some spatial anomaly send the stars in the systems nova heavily damaging the stations. The damaged stations would lose all station services and only allow hanger/clone bay access. Concord would announce that the stations are irreparably damaged and only have four months of life support remaining before becoming unusable, and all citizens are to commence an immediate evacuation of the area. After 4 months to stations would become undockable, system security would drop to 0.4, and the area would become a tourist attraction for new pilots like the Eve Gate is today. Sounds like a plan tbh The man without a face... The company without a clue.
BurnHard	Posted - 2006.12.13 15:45:00 - [52] There is a problem and it goes like this: I search for the best price for item (a) I search for the best price for item (b) I search for the best price for item (c) .... I can't be bothered to go to every region to find the best price, it would take all night. I know (1) (a), (b) and (c) will be at Jita, I know (2) that more than likely with the cut-throat competition the price will be cheapest in Jita. So we need an Eve-Wide market (similar to escrow), so I can quickly source and purchase an item anywhere. Regionalisation by stealthing other regions leads to the creation of an Eve-wide hub. No amount of twiddling about with jump-gates, security levels, agent locations etc. with make a damned bit of difference.
First Stotherd	Posted - 2006.12.13 15:46:00 - [53] Not sure if this'll work but i honestly believe its a bit more realistic... Gradually lower concord protection as more and more people enter the system. To the point where a pirate could get away with blasting a ship. Presumably due to Concord being way too busy dealing with the traffic to deal with a random ship being blasted. You could even apply this throughout the whole of empire space. Would mean constantly fluctuating trade lanes, and those whining pirates complaining about warp to 0 might enjoy the new hunting grounds.
Jaketh Ivanes Amarr 1st Praetorian Guard	Posted - 2006.12.13 15:47:00 - [54] Eve wide hub.. sounds good to me. But, there should be a delivery time, if you get access to the entire universe (except 0.0). Because someone (perhaps a player?) has to move the stuff you bought. Other than that, the only permanent solution, is a mind-set change in the entire playerbase. Starting with you
Nyack GREY COUNCIL Breidablik	Posted - 2006.12.13 15:48:00 - [55] put true 0,0 between every racial region =) that way mission runners has to stay within their racial regions =) (and more pewpew for the rest of us)
Jaketh Ivanes Amarr 1st Praetorian Guard	Posted - 2006.12.13 15:53:00 - [56] Originally by: First Stotherd Gradually lower concord protection as more and more people enter the system. To the point where a pirate could get away with blasting a ship. Presumably due to Concord being way too busy dealing with the traffic to deal with a random ship being blasted. Woman in distress: "Oh mr officer, please help me. These bad men are kiling me" Officer: "Be silent woman, can't you see i'm busy directing the trafic?!?" Idea is good, but reason is hillarious. The more people there is, the more crime there will be. But also more cops.
Mandible	Posted - 2006.12.13 16:00:00 - [57] Dear Grant Smith in response to your reply: "Yeah, I mean wtf at so many carebears? Get your lazy asses to 0.0 and have some fun ffs. :/ Playing Eve isnt about wealth or making money, it's about having fun, and I dont think anyone can tell me they have fun missioning or mining, trading or w/e, highsec sucks, get yourselves out of there. Daaayum." For you the game might not be about mining, trading, missioning etc etc, but guess what? Now grab a chair and sit: Comfy? ok this might be shocking>>>some or alot of the tens of thousand of players do like that aspect of the game...now before i continue i will give you a few weeks to grasp that concept :P
Whiro Teiuq Minmatar Dark-Rising Fallen Souls	Posted - 2006.12.13 16:05:00 - [58] I always find it amusing that the people who suggest turning a popular system 0.0 for a day 'without telling anyone' probably have gankships at the ready. Sorry, by 'at the ready' I mean 'stuck in the hanger from lag'. ~Whiro
Ruffio Sepico Minmatar Hidden Agenda Deep Space Engineering	Posted - 2006.12.13 16:13:00 - [59] Put extra tax on goods that is not native to the region to promote more regional trade hubs, rather than one giant global one. Would promote the trader profession too. Home: http://www.hidden-agenda.co.uk
Phrixus Zephyr Yesodic Nomads Corp Triumvirate.	Posted - 2006.12.13 16:13:00 - [60] Removing hubs doesnt do a god damned thing. It didn't work with Yulai and it wont work now. (for RP's sake, Yulai should STILL be the main hub, its Yulai ffs) I live in 0.0, and hunt in 0.0 but i will still go to the most populated system to sell my faction gear because it'll sell quicker, end of story. Jita doesnt need any missioners and it'll still be a trade hub. What jita needs is a system that bypass's it so people don't have to travel through it who arn't going there. Here an idea. There are 5709574054327509834 stations. Why not make 1 station sell 1 type of merchandise. One for weapons, one for armor stuff, one for shield stuff, one for comodities, one for implants etc etc. Yes some will be busyer, but it'll spread it out over 10ish stations. Originally by: Victor Ramirez using it to get the layout of a new system and a quick belt-check is about as practical as using Google Earth to see if your car is still in front of your house.

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