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Jester87 FISKL GUARDS Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2006.12.13 01:56:00 - [1] As a two year Player in EvE and a regular user of the EvE-o fourms I have been subjected to months of Complainers about Jita - To be honest, it doesnt affect me very often as Im usually in 0.0 and such However, I have come to the conclusion that Either CCP is ignorant the problem that is Jita, or they simply dont care about thier customer base. Firstly, Over the past 6 months, there has been hundreds of posts complaining about Lag in Jita, and granted CCP takes steps to remedy this problem upgrading Hardware and such, but think about it logically, that is always a temp. solution, better HW means more players can log in and then guess what back to the problem to many people in the system. Secondly, the problem could be easily fixed - practically overnight with hundreds of posts explaining how some of them are excellent ideas that CCP could easily work into the story line, yet for some reason they still do nothing - DOnt get me wrong, I understand they have been busy with Revelations and such - but honestly, what a perfect time to transform Jita to something else during the large deployment a week or so ago. Lastly, everyone fears if you take Jita away another system will replace it... So you take all the possible Jita's away in one fell swoop.. TBH every region of space should have its own HUB not just one for all of EVE. CCP - Take Notice, we are your paying subscribers, and a majority of us feel that Jita is fubared. Fix it, do your jobs and rememdy the situation once and for all... Personally I dont care how, but HW upgrades dont do it so think outside the box. Personall my fav. is making Jita an 0.0 system, the storyline could go something like. with so many people there concord couldnt keep control blah blah blah and evacuated.. now its 0.0. Basically I feel that CCP is just ignoring a problem that re-occurs every few days in Jita and its TIME ITS TIME NOW!!! FIX IT!.
Admai Sket	Posted - 2006.12.13 01:57:00 - [2] lol - it can be fixed. BY PEOPLE GETTING THE **** OUT OF JITA! Which will have to do until CCP do something else about it.
Jester87 FISKL GUARDS Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2006.12.13 01:58:00 - [3] In addition, gratz on Coccurent User Levels, but what is that worth if some systems are unplayable? Fix the game on a whole before u start bragging that 30k + people play. Oveur, other Devs... Tommorow for instance would be a a great time to change Jita to 0.0 dont even tell anyone.. Just do it who cares, so some people will get pwned. Also get rid of a bunch of stations, move agent missions further out ect. ect. DO SOMETHING! STOP BEING LAZY! and dont say your not lazy cause u just did revelations, i'd rather see a lag free game everywhere including Jita before Revelations.
Jester87 FISKL GUARDS Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2006.12.13 01:59:00 - [4] Originally by: Admai Sket lol - it can be fixed. BY PEOPLE GETTING THE **** OUT OF JITA! Which will have to do until CCP do something else about it. yes agreed.. one way to get people out.. 0.0 it or something.. but untill then yes leave Jita - but theres needs to be a reason why and a more perma. solution.
Jester87 FISKL GUARDS Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2006.12.13 02:00:00 - [5] Or ya know what hows about this... AT Least Awknowledge there is a problem... ya'll act like nothing is wrong... Admiting it is the first step!!
Rudolf Miller	Posted - 2006.12.13 02:00:00 - [6] There use to be regional hubs. All the regional hubs were connect by the superhighway. The superhighway was removed to improve performance. Now we have Jita.
Grez Minmatar The Raven Warriors	Posted - 2006.12.13 02:01:00 - [7] Originally by: Jester87 Or ya know what hows about this... AT Least Awknowledge there is a problem... ya'll act like nothing is wrong... Admiting it is the first step!! They have admitied it, does no-one read the PNC? --- Cache Clearer Still waiting for a Wrangler-edit!
Miss Overlord Gallente Ferrum Pugnus New Eve Order	Posted - 2006.12.13 02:02:00 - [8] at least without the ppl living in jita unable to log in ther est of us can keep playing with some lag - it might be enough to make em finally leave These posts represent my personal views and not those of my corp or alliance. These do not reflect offical alliance or corp views This is a disclaimer
Jester87 FISKL GUARDS Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2006.12.13 02:02:00 - [9] I know taht, so put back the regional hubs, minus the highways.. would that be hard god. and make Jita 0.0 for a few months to push everyone out and into thier respective hubs. Amarr go to ur silly Amarr Hubs, Gallentes go to ur sexy parties in Gall space, Matars go play in the mud on ur rocks, and Caldari will keep one of its glorious systems as its own hub.
Grant Smith Infinitus Odium	Posted - 2006.12.13 02:02:00 - [10] Edited by: Grant Smith on 13/12/2006 02:03:24 Yeah, I mean wtf at so many carebears? Get your lazy asses to 0.0 and have some fun ffs. :/ Playing Eve isnt about wealth or making money, it's about having fun, and I dont think anyone can tell me they have fun missioning or mining, trading or w/e, highsec sucks, get yourselves out of there. Daaayum.
Talon Draven Dark Reality	Posted - 2006.12.13 02:02:00 - [11] If it wasn't Jita, it would just be some other system that you would be complaining about. It's just the way economy works. If you don't like it, move to Amarr and pay more for your market items. "This is a brutal universe where your decisions and actions can severly affect yourself - as well as others." - Oveur \| 2006.06.29 17:21:46
Admai Sket	Posted - 2006.12.13 02:03:00 - [12] Originally by: Grant Smith yeah, i mean wtf at so many carebears? get your lazy asses to 0.0 and have some fun ffs Don't go too extreme, that's just asking for flames... We just want people to GET THE **** OUT OF JITA! :-)
Grant Smith Infinitus Odium	Posted - 2006.12.13 02:04:00 - [13] Originally by: Admai Sket Originally by: Grant Smith yeah, i mean wtf at so many carebears? get your lazy asses to 0.0 and have some fun ffs Don't go too extreme, that's just asking for flames... We just want people to GET THE **** OUT OF JITA! :-) I love being extreme towards the playerbase of which I love to shoot. :]
Jester87 FISKL GUARDS Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2006.12.13 02:05:00 - [14] Originally by: Talon Draven If it wasn't Jita, it would just be some other system that you would be complaining about. It's just the way economy works. If you don't like it, move to Amarr and pay more for your market items. Not True... Thats the thing! There DOESNT HAVE TO BE A hub!! There are ways to remove this rediculous hub thing all together.. Or have smaller hubs at least - I mean im fine with a hub that has less than 300 people... but Jita is consistantly over 500, i think it was nearly 800!! tonight when all the crap started.
CRUSH BOSS Caldari BOSS PRODUCTIONS	Posted - 2006.12.13 02:05:00 - [15] Edited by: CRUSH BOSS on 13/12/2006 02:05:45 Originally by: Jester87 I have come to the conclusion that Either CCP is ignorant the problem that is Jita, or they simply dont care about thier customer base. Basically I feel that CCP is just ignoring a problem that re-occurs every few days in Jita and its TIME ITS TIME NOW!!! FIX IT!. This is as far from the truth as you can get, Try playing a SOE mmo then you will know the meaning of no1 gives a toss. To be honest im tired of reading posts like this, but to come to a conclusion such as yours is extreeemly short sighted. Oh and a tip for your 2 years of EVE-0 screaming FIX IT in he forums wont win you any points, or get things done. We fight for the ONE - We die for the ONE
Jester87 FISKL GUARDS Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2006.12.13 02:08:00 - [16] Originally by: CRUSH BOSS Edited by: CRUSH BOSS on 13/12/2006 02:05:45 Originally by: Jester87 I have come to the conclusion that Either CCP is ignorant the problem that is Jita, or they simply dont care about thier customer base. Basically I feel that CCP is just ignoring a problem that re-occurs every few days in Jita and its TIME ITS TIME NOW!!! FIX IT!. This is as far from the truth as you can get, Try playing a SOE mmo then you will know the meaning of no1 gives a toss. To be honest im tired of reading posts like this, but to come to a conclusion such as yours is extreeemly short sighted. Oh and a tip for your 2 years of EVE-0 screaming FIX IT in he forums wont win you any points, or get things done. Firstly, this is rantish # 1 for me.. and secondly, I dont give a frak about other games, this is CCP they should hold themselves to a higher standard.. its been months and Jita really hasnt improved... thats to long. Wats with people always being oh play a SOE MMO its way worse? no, no i wont and i shouldnt have too again this is EVE not SOE, EVE fix it. and I know that devs dont read posts like this dude, its just sorta for the public and for me.
Awox Dark-Rising Fallen Souls	Posted - 2006.12.13 02:08:00 - [17] Originally by: Admai Sket lol - it can be fixed. BY PEOPLE GETTING THE **** OUT OF JITA! Which will have to do until CCP do something else about it. Who are you to tell me where in EVE I cannot go? Also, there's no need for such language on a forum where minors and other impressionable beings frequent. If Jita is removed some other system will become market of choice, perhaps a solution would be a system in every region that has super-low tax, but no agents to run missions.. but until then, Jita will lag like hell and we'll all put up with it. -- snip Discussing moderation/ linking to flamebait is a no-no. Read the forum rules before reposting. If you have any questions, email us at [email protected] Tirg
Jester87 FISKL GUARDS Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2006.12.13 02:09:00 - [18] Originally by: Awox Originally by: Admai Sket lol - it can be fixed. BY PEOPLE GETTING THE **** OUT OF JITA! Which will have to do until CCP do something else about it. Who are you to tell me where in EVE I cannot go? Also, there's no need for such language on a forum where minors and other impressionable beings frequent. If Jita is removed some other system will become market of choice, perhaps a solution would be a system in every region that has super-low tax, but no agents to run missions.. but until then, Jita will lag like hell and we'll all put up with it. what are you two. And again, there doesnt have to be HUBS at all, or at least not super HUBS.
Grant Smith Infinitus Odium	Posted - 2006.12.13 02:09:00 - [19] Originally by: Awox Originally by: Admai Sket lol - it can be fixed. BY PEOPLE GETTING THE **** OUT OF JITA! Which will have to do until CCP do something else about it. Who are you to tell me where in EVE I cannot go? Also, there's no need for such language on a forum where minors and other impressionable beings frequent. If Jita is removed some other system will become market of choice, perhaps a solution would be a system in every region that has super-low tax, but no agents to run missions.. but until then, Jita will lag like hell and we'll all put up with it. Dunno, but i am Grant, and i tell you Awox you nub where to go :P Awox smellz0rz. \o/ Carebear <3
Admai Sket	Posted - 2006.12.13 02:12:00 - [20] Originally by: Jester87 Originally by: Awox Originally by: Admai Sket lol - it can be fixed. BY PEOPLE GETTING THE **** OUT OF JITA! Which will have to do until CCP do something else about it. Who are you to tell me where in EVE I cannot go? Also, there's no need for such language on a forum where minors and other impressionable beings frequent. If Jita is removed some other system will become market of choice, perhaps a solution would be a system in every region that has super-low tax, but no agents to run missions.. but until then, Jita will lag like hell and we'll all put up with it. what are you two. And again, there doesnt have to be HUBS at all, or at least not super HUBS. Fine. Go to Jita. Make the game bad for the rest of us. Thanks. I dislike you. I'm also trying not to swear. :) Did I say delete Jita? No. So stop putting words in my mouth that aren't there. This is a plea: PLEASE stay outof Jita you are making the game bad for the rest of us. Hows my posting? :)
James Duar Merch Industrial	Posted - 2006.12.13 02:13:00 - [21] If you don't like Jita, don't go there. Simple. There are lots of other regional hubs in EVE, just people tend to goto Jita because when you think "markets" you think "Jita". It is entirely a construction of the playerbase, and those who complain about it could easily avoid it.
Miss Overlord Gallente Ferrum Pugnus New Eve Order	Posted - 2006.12.13 02:17:00 - [22] time to deploy todays patch 9 hours early common CCP do it These posts represent my personal views and not those of my corp or alliance. These do not reflect offical alliance or corp views This is a disclaimer
Admai Sket	Posted - 2006.12.13 02:18:00 - [23] Originally by: James Duar If you don't like Jita, don't go there. Simple. Someone else fighting the good fight - thank you!
Rudolf Miller	Posted - 2006.12.13 02:19:00 - [24] Bring back the superhighway connecting all 1.0 systems.
Namaqua	Posted - 2006.12.13 02:34:00 - [25] Why cant you ppl use your brain's and think about it and not post threads like this day after day about jita. This is what I do. Step 1 - fly to a system next door to jita Step 2 - open market and buy all items from jita in same station. Step 3 - Create courier mission from jita to same station as me and pay 2m reward to courier. Step 4 - wait for items to be delivered. Voila.
Admai Sket	Posted - 2006.12.13 02:38:00 - [26] Originally by: Namaqua Why cant you ppl use your brain's and think about it and not post threads like this day after day about jita. This is what I do. Step 1 - fly to a system next door to jita Step 2 - open market and buy all items from jita in same station. Step 3 - Create courier mission from jita to same station as me and pay 2m reward to courier. Step 4 - wait for items to be delivered. Voila. but that involves someone going to jita. surely? Just grab your balls, buy something from somewhere other than Jita, and pay that little extra. HASSLE FREE!
Shiraz Merlot Octavian Vanguard RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2006.12.13 02:39:00 - [27] Popularity tax. A mechanism whereby common player activities are taxed locally based on the regularity of events. E.g. Jita should have higher trade/contract brokerage fees than, say, litiura. This would encourage traders to migrate to neighboring systems without ******* them off completely. Economic pressure ftw.
Namaqua	Posted - 2006.12.13 02:40:00 - [28] Originally by: Admai Sket Originally by: Namaqua Why cant you ppl use your brain's and think about it and not post threads like this day after day about jita. This is what I do. Step 1 - fly to a system next door to jita Step 2 - open market and buy all items from jita in same station. Step 3 - Create courier mission from jita to same station as me and pay 2m reward to courier. Step 4 - wait for items to be delivered. Voila. but that involves someone going to jita. surely? Just grab your balls, buy something from somewhere other than Jita, and pay that little extra. HASSLE FREE! It does yes, but its not me so I dont care and I am free to go and do other stuff while some courier gets lagged to death for 2m.
Admai Sket	Posted - 2006.12.13 02:45:00 - [29] Originally by: Namaqua nope but do I care cause for months this is what ive been doing and haveing lag free gameing when all you freaks continue going into jita for fun. rofl!
mazzilliu Caldari Sniggerdly	Posted - 2006.12.13 02:46:00 - [30] Do your part! set autopilot to Amamake instead. 1000% awesome guide to logging out
Exiled One Amarr Imperial Shipment	Posted - 2006.12.13 02:46:00 - [31] Originally by: Admai Sket lol - it can be fixed. BY PEOPLE GETTING THE ** OUT OF JITA! Which will have to do until CCP do something else about it. You realize it's CCP that forced people to go to Jita, by killing Yulai, removing agents from that system and setting up **** up trade routes? It's great being Amarr, aint it?
Letouk Mernel	Posted - 2006.12.13 02:51:00 - [32] One thing is, it takes time to implement whatever fix. If it's adding more hardware, they have to order it, test it, schedule a downtime to install it... If it's software, they have to test it, schedule a downtime to install it, etc. Whatever the solution is, it'll involve some changes to gameplay, probably, to get people out of hubs, and that takes time and meetings to agree on and implement. I'm sure they'll fix it. Every MMO has problems when too many people enter one zone, the concept of spreading players around the zones is as old as the MMO genre. Now, if it were me, I'd introduce market taxes based on how crowded the system is, and apply them to the seller. The buyer has no choice but to go where the goods are (cheapest), so slap the sellers and they'll spread out. That's my theory; it may be wrong and you might not agree, shrug. I'll wait to see what they do.
Miss Overlord Gallente Ferrum Pugnus New Eve Order	Posted - 2006.12.13 02:56:00 - [33] congestion tax works great in london perhaps to jump into jita requires 100k ( tho woudl affect noobs) so yes a higher seller tax would be best and also apply to contracts These posts represent my personal views and not those of my corp or alliance. These do not reflect offical alliance or corp views This is a disclaimer
Namaqua	Posted - 2006.12.13 03:00:00 - [34] u in the labour party? please dont bring UK way of life into this game, I am trying to escape from in the other universe.
Ecnav Gallente hirr Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2006.12.13 03:33:00 - [35] Complaining about Jita is liek complaining about traffic in all of the major cities of the world (London, Washington D.C., Munic...) get over it! __ _ __ _ __ _ __ _ __ _ __ _ __ _ __ _ __ _ __ I don't have a sig (yet)*
Miss Overlord Gallente Ferrum Pugnus New Eve Order	Posted - 2006.12.13 03:35:00 - [36] we need more public transport ( perhaps more JCs allow ppl ot move around more reduce realianice on highway travel) These posts represent my personal views and not those of my corp or alliance. These do not reflect offical alliance or corp views This is a disclaimer
Admai Sket	Posted - 2006.12.13 03:54:00 - [37] Originally by: Exiled One Originally by: Admai Sket lol - it can be fixed. BY PEOPLE GETTING THE ** OUT OF JITA! Which will have to do until CCP do something else about it. You realize it's CCP that forced people to go to Jita, by killing Yulai, removing agents from that system and setting up **** up trade routes? But that doesn't matter! The point is, we NEED to leave Jita on mass, reduce the number of people in Jita to stabilise this thing until CCCCCP steps in and does something their end- whether it is convienient for us or not!
mallina Caldari	Posted - 2006.12.13 04:36:00 - [38] people will always want a hub system look at the bigger picture, you could remove Jita from the game entirely and people would just go to Ours and lag that system out instead only way to permanently get rid of this issue is to have a system where there was some sort of penalty to more popular systems. Sales Tax, Agent Quality, Docking Fees, etc could all be made to automatically change depending on a systems popularity. it would go a long way in spreading people out ----------- Turbulance
Miss Overlord Gallente Ferrum Pugnus New Eve Order	Posted - 2006.12.13 04:48:00 - [39] add some calderi navy agents in amarr and gallente low sec areas These posts represent my personal views and not those of my corp or alliance. These do not reflect offical alliance or corp views This is a disclaimer
CarIito Brigante	Posted - 2006.12.13 05:19:00 - [40] Jita is a problem admitedly and so are some other high sec places that have everything in one system i think the easiest solution would be to have some form off traffic lights like it is in real life to control the traffic or like the gate queing system have a limit on the amount of pilots in jita so say like 300 and when thats reached and a player leaves, no1 in the queing system has a minute slot to jump through if failed he goes to the back of the que or something like that iono but something has to be done
EaglesFire Gallente Solidline Enterprise Kith of Venal	Posted - 2006.12.13 05:30:00 - [41] Jita, and other systems, have high traffic due to the large number of sellers. Easy fix, change the tax rate for selling and buying items on the market and contracts by 30%. And drop it by 10% for every one jump out, till you get to normal at 3 jumps. Now, this will not 'fix' the problem. BUT it give the DEV's a great tool to control traffic by raising or lowering the tax rate. People will shop where it is cheaper, so make it a little more pricey, and they will move. "Knowledge is power, and the uninformed SHALL be punished!" This is me.
Miss Overlord Gallente Ferrum Pugnus New Eve Order	Posted - 2006.12.13 05:32:00 - [42] i dont know if CCP will go for this but given all the ctds ive decided for then ext few huors to use SISI to see if exploration and other things have improved plus pick up any last minute bugs for reporting These posts represent my personal views and not those of my corp or alliance. These do not reflect offical alliance or corp views This is a disclaimer
Exiled One Amarr Imperial Shipment	Posted - 2006.12.13 05:43:00 - [43] Originally by: Admai Sket Originally by: Exiled One Originally by: Admai Sket lol - it can be fixed. BY PEOPLE GETTING THE ** OUT OF JITA! Which will have to do until CCP do something else about it. You realize it's CCP that forced people to go to Jita, by killing Yulai, removing agents from that system and setting up ** up trade routes? But that doesn't matter! The point is, we NEED to leave Jita on mass, reduce the number of people in Jita to stabilise this thing until CCCCCP steps in and does something their end- whether it is convienient for us or not! 20 leave, 700 stay, difference? People need to sell/resell/buy stuff someplace, unless trade routes are changes, people will stay in jita no matter what. Same **, different day. It's great being Amarr, aint it?
Creslin Gallente Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.12.13 06:00:00 - [44] I think they should do what AC did, just nova the entire system... first round of the kali wars can be the someone making the jita sun supernova and destroy the entire system! that should make people move out ;p
Weirda Minmatar Queens of the Stone Age Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2006.12.13 06:07:00 - [45] Originally by: Exiled One Originally by: Admai Sket lol - it can be fixed. BY PEOPLE GETTING THE ** OUT OF JITA! Which will have to do until CCP do something else about it. You realize it's CCP that forced people to go to Jita, by killing Yulai, removing agents from that system and setting up **** up trade routes? you imagine what Yulai would be like today - how close it was to everything... would make Jita look like flacid strap-on conference! __ Weirda Join QotSA
Roemy Schneider BINFORD	Posted - 2006.12.13 06:47:00 - [46] no need for drastic actions - a handful of "minor" tools are at hand: snip sobaseki<>jita and replace it with sobaseki<>perimeter (or urlen) snip muvolailen<>jita and replaace it with kisogo<>muvolailen for example -> i estimate a 5% lesser strain from transit to lonetrek and the passage to the citadel not much, i know... but it's a start, travellers are happy. and if people still want to idle in _the_ jita, it might aswell be a little offroute
Rodge Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.13 07:41:00 - [47] The problem of it being such a superhub is pretty easy to fix. Dynamically increase the refining tax the more often a particular station is used (that'll get people out of the 4-4 station). Not by a huge amount, but a lot of tiny daily rates. Dynamically reduce agent quality the more people use an agent, let the quality go back up as people use it less. Raise market taxes in a similar way. So people can do everything they used to in any system, it'll just eventually cost more than in neighbouring systems, so people will move all by themselves. Sig inappropriate-not eve related -Abdalion [ 2005.04.17 00:34:30 ] Nagilam > u better leave Rodge, u will not gank any1 else 2nite......
Manfred Doomhammer Caldari ShadowTec Inc. Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2006.12.13 07:44:00 - [48] another sollution to the jita problem would be a half-hourly system purge with a systemwide DD.... make it affect docked ships too, and voila. ---- Manfred Doomhammer CEO ShadowTec Inc.

wystler Forum Moderator Interstellar Services Department	Posted - 2006.12.13 15:18:00 - [49] Thread cleaned. Do not swear in your posts, even if partially or wholly masked by stars. There is simply no need and no call for it. eve-crc.net \| forum rules \| [email protected] Official keeper of the smilie. Yarr!

Fubear Vogon Heavy Industries	Posted - 2006.12.13 15:36:00 - [50] The only solution to the Jita problem is to remove Jita from the game. It has been the major trade hub for far too long, and for as long as Jita exists people will head there to trade no matter what you do to stop it. I would nuke simply Jita and the surrounding systems. Have some spatial anomaly send the stars in the systems nova heavily damaging the stations. The damaged stations would lose all station services and only allow hanger/clone bay access. Concord would announce that the stations are irreparably damaged and only have four months of life support remaining before becoming unusable, and all citizens are to commence an immediate evacuation of the area. After 4 months to stations would become undockable, system security would drop to 0.4, and the area would become a tourist attraction for new pilots like the Eve Gate is today.
Gone'Postal Minmatar LuthorCorp Combat Division	Posted - 2006.12.13 15:41:00 - [51] Originally by: Fubear The only solution to the Jita problem is to remove Jita from the game. It has been the major trade hub for far too long, and for as long as Jita exists people will head there to trade no matter what you do to stop it. I would nuke simply Jita and the surrounding systems. Have some spatial anomaly send the stars in the systems nova heavily damaging the stations. The damaged stations would lose all station services and only allow hanger/clone bay access. Concord would announce that the stations are irreparably damaged and only have four months of life support remaining before becoming unusable, and all citizens are to commence an immediate evacuation of the area. After 4 months to stations would become undockable, system security would drop to 0.4, and the area would become a tourist attraction for new pilots like the Eve Gate is today. Sounds like a plan tbh The man without a face... The company without a clue.
BurnHard	Posted - 2006.12.13 15:45:00 - [52] There is a problem and it goes like this: I search for the best price for item (a) I search for the best price for item (b) I search for the best price for item (c) .... I can't be bothered to go to every region to find the best price, it would take all night. I know (1) (a), (b) and (c) will be at Jita, I know (2) that more than likely with the cut-throat competition the price will be cheapest in Jita. So we need an Eve-Wide market (similar to escrow), so I can quickly source and purchase an item anywhere. Regionalisation by stealthing other regions leads to the creation of an Eve-wide hub. No amount of twiddling about with jump-gates, security levels, agent locations etc. with make a damned bit of difference.
First Stotherd	Posted - 2006.12.13 15:46:00 - [53] Not sure if this'll work but i honestly believe its a bit more realistic... Gradually lower concord protection as more and more people enter the system. To the point where a pirate could get away with blasting a ship. Presumably due to Concord being way too busy dealing with the traffic to deal with a random ship being blasted. You could even apply this throughout the whole of empire space. Would mean constantly fluctuating trade lanes, and those whining pirates complaining about warp to 0 might enjoy the new hunting grounds.
Jaketh Ivanes Amarr 1st Praetorian Guard	Posted - 2006.12.13 15:47:00 - [54] Eve wide hub.. sounds good to me. But, there should be a delivery time, if you get access to the entire universe (except 0.0). Because someone (perhaps a player?) has to move the stuff you bought. Other than that, the only permanent solution, is a mind-set change in the entire playerbase. Starting with you
Nyack GREY COUNCIL Breidablik	Posted - 2006.12.13 15:48:00 - [55] put true 0,0 between every racial region =) that way mission runners has to stay within their racial regions =) (and more pewpew for the rest of us)
Jaketh Ivanes Amarr 1st Praetorian Guard	Posted - 2006.12.13 15:53:00 - [56] Originally by: First Stotherd Gradually lower concord protection as more and more people enter the system. To the point where a pirate could get away with blasting a ship. Presumably due to Concord being way too busy dealing with the traffic to deal with a random ship being blasted. Woman in distress: "Oh mr officer, please help me. These bad men are kiling me" Officer: "Be silent woman, can't you see i'm busy directing the trafic?!?" Idea is good, but reason is hillarious. The more people there is, the more crime there will be. But also more cops.
Mandible	Posted - 2006.12.13 16:00:00 - [57] Dear Grant Smith in response to your reply: "Yeah, I mean wtf at so many carebears? Get your lazy asses to 0.0 and have some fun ffs. :/ Playing Eve isnt about wealth or making money, it's about having fun, and I dont think anyone can tell me they have fun missioning or mining, trading or w/e, highsec sucks, get yourselves out of there. Daaayum." For you the game might not be about mining, trading, missioning etc etc, but guess what? Now grab a chair and sit: Comfy? ok this might be shocking>>>some or alot of the tens of thousand of players do like that aspect of the game...now before i continue i will give you a few weeks to grasp that concept :P
Whiro Teiuq Minmatar Dark-Rising Fallen Souls	Posted - 2006.12.13 16:05:00 - [58] I always find it amusing that the people who suggest turning a popular system 0.0 for a day 'without telling anyone' probably have gankships at the ready. Sorry, by 'at the ready' I mean 'stuck in the hanger from lag'. ~Whiro
Ruffio Sepico Minmatar Hidden Agenda Deep Space Engineering	Posted - 2006.12.13 16:13:00 - [59] Put extra tax on goods that is not native to the region to promote more regional trade hubs, rather than one giant global one. Would promote the trader profession too. Home: http://www.hidden-agenda.co.uk
Phrixus Zephyr Yesodic Nomads Corp Triumvirate.	Posted - 2006.12.13 16:13:00 - [60] Removing hubs doesnt do a god damned thing. It didn't work with Yulai and it wont work now. (for RP's sake, Yulai should STILL be the main hub, its Yulai ffs) I live in 0.0, and hunt in 0.0 but i will still go to the most populated system to sell my faction gear because it'll sell quicker, end of story. Jita doesnt need any missioners and it'll still be a trade hub. What jita needs is a system that bypass's it so people don't have to travel through it who arn't going there. Here an idea. There are 5709574054327509834 stations. Why not make 1 station sell 1 type of merchandise. One for weapons, one for armor stuff, one for shield stuff, one for comodities, one for implants etc etc. Yes some will be busyer, but it'll spread it out over 10ish stations. Originally by: Victor Ramirez using it to get the layout of a new system and a quick belt-check is about as practical as using Google Earth to see if your car is still in front of your house.
Yee Do	Posted - 2006.12.13 16:21:00 - [61] I go to Jita because I know I can find most things there. Allow me to shop in Jita from a system a few jumps away and get my stuff delivered (for no fee I might add)and I won't have to go there any more.
Hellspawn01 Amarr Storm Armada	Posted - 2006.12.13 16:26:00 - [62] Disable market and contracts in jita? Ship lovers click here
Kusotarre Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2006.12.13 16:27:00 - [63] The solution is easy. Going AFK should disconnect you from Eve after 10 minutes. 10 minutes give you time to pinch even a well-above-normal sized loaf and not get disconnected. If you're running mining lasers, you'd also be exempt. Cloakers, you would not be exempt, so that would also solve the "look, I'm sitting AFK in enemy space in arazu for 9 hours while I'm at work. Have fun NPCing!" problem. Jita population would drop substantially, I'm sure. If that's not enough, they could look at other options, but I think this is a reasonable first step.
JeanPierre Gallente Acheron Vanguard Armada The Shadow Ascension	Posted - 2006.12.13 16:28:00 - [64] Originally by: Jester87 As a two year Player in EvE and a regular user of the EvE-o fourms I have been subjected to months of Complainers about Jita - To be honest, it doesnt affect me very often as Im usually in 0.0 and such However, I have come to the conclusion that Either CCP is ignorant the problem that is Jita, or they simply dont care about thier customer base. Firstly, Over the past 6 months, there has been hundreds of posts complaining about Lag in Jita, and granted CCP takes steps to remedy this problem upgrading Hardware and such, but think about it logically, that is always a temp. solution, better HW means more players can log in and then guess what back to the problem to many people in the system. Secondly, the problem could be easily fixed - practically overnight with hundreds of posts explaining how some of them are excellent ideas that CCP could easily work into the story line, yet for some reason they still do nothing - DOnt get me wrong, I understand they have been busy with Revelations and such - but honestly, what a perfect time to transform Jita to something else during the large deployment a week or so ago. Lastly, everyone fears if you take Jita away another system will replace it... So you take all the possible Jita's away in one fell swoop.. TBH every region of space should have its own HUB not just one for all of EVE. CCP - Take Notice, we are your paying subscribers, and a majority of us feel that Jita is fubared. Fix it, do your jobs and rememdy the situation once and for all... Personally I dont care how, but HW upgrades dont do it so think outside the box. Personall my fav. is making Jita an 0.0 system, the storyline could go something like. with so many people there concord couldnt keep control blah blah blah and evacuated.. now its 0.0. Basically I feel that CCP is just ignoring a problem that re-occurs every few days in Jita and its TIME ITS TIME NOW!!! FIX IT!. The power to make new trade hubs is in your hands, not CCP's. Open lucrative markets in other regions. Form alliances/corps and sell at competative rates to Jita in other regions. That will cause change. It's not CCP's fault people are stupid and fly to Jita to buy things other "paying customers" put on sale, in Jita. ------------------------------ Ever notice that people who spend money on beer, cigarettes, and lottery tickets are always complaining about being broke and not feeling well?
Harisdrop Gallente ClanKillers Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.12.13 16:29:00 - [65] I know read my regions sig. I think we have the solution but no one wants to go there. New NPC Region
Kalixa Hihro	Posted - 2006.12.13 16:31:00 - [66] Edited by: Kalixa Hihro on 13/12/2006 16:40:06 Edited by: Kalixa Hihro on 13/12/2006 16:37:43 Edited by: Kalixa Hihro on 13/12/2006 16:32:41 I have the easiest way in the world to spread things out. Simply limit the total number of players that sell stuff at any one station to, I don't know, 500, 1000 (or start with a number and begin tuning it)? That would break it up really fast. Everyone logs in one day and all their crap for sale is in their hangars, order posting fees refunded. They go to put it up? Oh SNAP! station's full, all the stores are rented out, guess I gotta move somewhere else... It's not complicated. Add something like a research slot and charge rent to sell stuff. Do the same for auctions, and escrow. Add skills for each that increase the number of store slots you can have from 1 to 5. that way any one player could only have stuff for sale in at most, 5 stations, yet there'd be plenty of retail space over the whole map. Just my 2 cents... IMHO this would spread things out quite nicely. People would cry about it, but then again, Jita would become just another system. Argument: Then I'd have to fly for hours just to put a ship together. Refutation: With warp to 0 and a little planning ahead, you could minimize this. Argument: Then I'd have to move 1 billion m3 of stuff! Refutation: This would be a problem, which you could overcome with a little help from your corp or some old fashioned elbo w grease. The pain inflicted on every player in the game currently outweighs the issues caused to a few. Argument: Then the players that got slots in Jita would pwn everyone financially. Refutation: If done correctly you'd need to fly all over the place to get stuff, This would cause associations of builders that put all the stuff, for say interceptors, into the same system. Then you'd have battleship, inty, cruiser, etc hubs. -Kal /----------------------------------------------------------------------------------/ My opinion in no way represents that of my corp or anyone I am associated with, and is probably entirely wrong.
BurnHard	Posted - 2006.12.13 16:31:00 - [67] Originally by: JeanPierre It's not CCP's fault people are stupid and fly to Jita to buy things other "paying customers" put on sale, in Jita. People aren't stupid, they are quite clever, because they are seeking to minimize (a) the time it takes to find an item and (b) the cost of the item. You could say CCP are stupid not to take human nature into account when designing their system. However, considering the nature of Eve and it's status as a grand MMO social experiment, I think they can be forgiven for not anticipating this. The solution (being able to see orders globally, not just regionally), might not be technically possible however.
Miri Tirzan Caldari Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.13 16:36:00 - [68] I dont see what the problem is. People go to Jita, Jita is crowded. Why try and keep people out, if Jita is so bad, then dont go there. Once again the few trying to tell the many how to play, where to go, and what to sell. svetlana - "whining gets you stuff. that is why humans got to the top of the food chain and all the other animals got nerfed."
MOS DEF 0utbreak	Posted - 2006.12.13 16:37:00 - [69] What do you expect exactly? If you'd be here long enough you'd know that before we had Jita there was Yulai. Yulai was THE hub and laggy. CCP tried to fix it and changed the mpa. Yulai was dead and there was no more central system where everyone met - for about 1 week. You can kill Jita as a HUB but then we will have Amarr or TM Prime or some other random system. Peeps will allways try make a hub because it makes shopping for modules so much easier.
Xelios Minmatar Rampage Eternal Ka-Tet	Posted - 2006.12.13 16:38:00 - [70] I remember seeing this exact thread about Amarr, then Yulai, now it's Jita. It's always going to be something else tbh. Once Jita is dealt with maybe it'll be Rens, or maybe we can go back to Yulai again? I think Jita is great tbh. It's an insane **** storm but if you're just visiting now and then to buy something off the centralized market it has it's no problem. If you don't want to deal with it on a constant basis then, well, just move somewhere else? Once you have lvl 4 agents you can get agents from the same corp pretty much anywhere, and sure you may have to move a ton of stuff but that's a couple days hard work to be done with the Jita insanity forever. I don't understand why so many people are waiting for CCP to do something when they can just pack up and leave themselves...
Gary Payne	Posted - 2006.12.13 16:38:00 - [71] Edited by: Gary Payne on 13/12/2006 16:42:35 ive thought of a cool feature to clear jita of lag and players :D give a warning when it becomes unstable, that the system is about to be attacked by some other faction ships that will target and destroy any ships around the stations for a set duration, and they only way for them to prevent it is to get out before they get there :D. and then add splash damage from concord ships so any ships caught in the crossfire from concord and these faction ships get damaged/killed :D solution solved :D

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