Maybe I've been trained by other games to want/need the instant gratification? Anyway, not sure on the point of this post other than to vent and complain a little. Constructive feedback is appreciated.

I didn't want to fly fleet tackle because it didn't sound challenging. My impression is that I would just end up being blaster fodder. Haha.

InB4 Logi and EWAR are also too skill intensive for newbros too.

:D

The concept of having skills train while you are away is nice in theory. But the time it takes to get things to level 5 is really long. If they cut the time it takes to get most skills to level V in half in most cases it would still be too long for me. Modern games that have standard MMO style level progression will usually get you to level cap in a much faster pace. Or not even level cap necessarily but to a point where you can have some fun and get into the "meat" of it. I think of SWTOR where as a level 22 character (nowhere near cap) I was able to get kills in PvP and contribute to my team with their awesome Bolster system that put me on par with end game characters. Not exactly on par, but enough to make a difference if I played well.
I understand that as a sandbox, there is no level cap and no endgame and that is a double edged sword. I can be impulsive when it comes to gaming and making decisions based on my perceptions and the perception here is that this is a massive time commitment and one I'm not sure I can hang with. People have said, "1-2 weeks is nothing to get into X ship. I had to wait 30-45 days to get into x" or whatever, and I just can't wrap my head around waiting 1-2 months to do anything in a video game. Just having that knowledge over my head, the timer staring me in the face is daunting.

EVE is fun for a few months then the missions get repetitive, you get continually war dec'ed and hunted because you're a new player, you find out you can't do several of the things you're interested in unless you play for like 2 or more years, and are constantly waiting on skills that take long wait times to turnover to find out there is more you need to unlock to get what you want and/or the skill you just spent a number of days getting is not really helping you that much anyway. I am sorry I paid for a year for this game because feeling done right... about... now.


Keep saying that as EVE space gets more and more empty.

As for waiting for fun, can't really comment as I'm not really doing much myself (hardly anything unless you count the forum).

Level 5 skills do take awhile, I wonder how this game would play out if you didn't need level 5s before you could use items/ships.

In my case I'm just playing skill queue online at the moment, what I have found is the attributes are a bit of a pain. That's because when you set your attributes up to favour certain skills you are stuck with those skills because switching to others will be a huge drop in efficiency.

There are quite a few of them that are prerequisites.

IF there were to be an overhaul of the entire way SP worked and length of time shortened significantly I can only see it benefiting the health of the game. Less time waiting on requisites is more time spent flying what you want or doing what you want to do. For a game, I don't think having to wait a long time to do something adds value to it.

I'm presently training for interceptors, so there are two I can think of straight away, evasive manoeuvring and the frigate hull. Already trained evasive manoeuvring to 5, but as my attributes are heavily set on intelligence I've remained learning defense, core, ecm/eccm type skills and navigation. So when I get around to altering the attributes to mainly perception with the remaining in willpower, I'll start training, turrets, and ship hulls again.


The problem is that the skills change too frequently when you're a new player in terms of the attributes required.

I disagree, the area is far too big if that was the intention.

Yes, I know.

But there are still far too many high-sec systems if it's just meant to be a temporary stop over.

The only real complaint would be the attribute system.

Well, other than PVP.

You can certainly participate in PvP with a two week old character. In the same way you could participate in the NFL. The difference is, I don't blame people for aiming a little higher than participation.

But a "good pvp'er" never has to decide "I can't handle this fight because I'm not skilled/fit enough"?

That would be the one he linked to. Ironic, that he was using what I can only imagine was a focus trained AF toon

Maybe the one I find the most aggravating is portraying the newbie roles as something desirable. Those roles which, to be fair, need to be done - but nobody wants to do. So you get the newbro to Logi/EWAR/Suicide Tackle, because they don't really have any choice in the matter. It's all they've got SP for.

'ergherhdfgh
So I have a brand new Minmatar character with 55K skill points.'

except for those people who did.

But to be fair, just as many people said "Weeks to train? Ha! I've been training for years, HTFU and just go do something else for a while."

Low SP is exactly why newbies get thrust into those roles.

Tackle doesn't care about your SP totals. Pointed is pointed - end of story. DPS on the other hand is very skill intensive. Easily half the DPS available to your hull is unlocked through SP. Logi and Ewar are also quick to get up to effectiveness. Those modules don't require anywhere near as much support SP, and are often a binary on/off effect regardless.

I'm also completely aware of suitonia, and his hilarious video. I'm not won over on the idea of low SP PvP by the idea my combat frigate is capable of killing anti-tanked Interceptors and Stealth Bombers. He got those kills fairly, but showing me that at 17 days old I'm going to be counting on my targets to make grave errors in judgement, and even then I'll barely be able to kill ships that I'm flying the hard counter to isn't making a great case.

I am 2 months old in EVE now and the first month was HELL, I was hoping it gets better once I subscribe but of course after you get rid of the "this skill cannot be trained by trial accounts" stuff the game becomes deeper and more complex. I also am at the point where some of the much needed skill updates take me 10-12 days which means I m stuck at what i ca do NOW before I can even attempt to do new stuff.

With time comes acceptance tho. Talking to other people helps. You get an impression of the term "time" and how much you ganne need. Realizing there are no shortcuts for anybody and everybody had to go through what you go through now makes it easier to handle.

I pretty much ran into a wall at lv 3 missions...been doing them for a (felt) eternity now without being able to "progress" but you know.....doing the same stuff with ME changing (because I get skill ups) also makes me realize how actually CRITICAL skills are...not necessarily the ship and equipment. My ship and gear didnt change.....my skills did and of course my strategies and the difference is massive.

So EVE provides you with the time you need to adjust yourself to everything in the game. I find it to be an elegant system :)