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Jarsoom Blade Blade's Legion 3	Posted - 2015.08.31 20:04:19 - [1] - Quote Hi all. Since the training time for a T3D is really short, and they look to be very promising in solo PvP and PvE, I want to train into one. I'm currently training for the Jackdaw (missiles are my best trained weapon system), and the Svipul on a mission running alt. But truth be told I don't really know what the T3D's can do in PvE. Could you guys enlighten me? I'd like to know which T3D is good in what kind of PvE, and how to fit them for it. Do I go long range or brawling? Active tank or buffer? Which DED sites can I do? What level mission can a T3D handle? I've read up on all four T3D's and I've mostly read people saying the Svipul is 'basically the best' T3D. The Confessor is 'awesome', the Jackdaw is 'bad' and about the Hecate I haven't really seen anything about besides the damage being good, apparantly. Now, this is all personal opinion I assume. But it makes me think about which T3D is best suited for what I want to do and keeping in mind the training of support skills for other less-developed weapon systems (for example, lasers, on this char). Thanks for taking the time to reply o7 Fly Quafe o7
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE 1547	Posted - 2015.08.31 22:30:18 - [2] - Quote I was going to try some confessor lv3 blitzing a while back, but got bored after the first one. It works but meh. I probably wouldn't use them past lv2s. IMO for pve killspeed is the main thing that matters. given the nice reduction in probe cpu use you can get an expanded probe launcher on there no problem, and a compact one fits almost free. I would expect them to be pretty good at running most exploration sites. Svipul isn't something I've had a chance to fly in any capacity yet, but people seem to love zipping around in them. hecate Short range has a ton of damage, but I think it is too vunerable to getting kited or neuted, long range looks pretty similar to a confessor, maybe a little worse confessor looks pretty awesome, look like there are a lot of viable fits. my pve one was mostly damage focused with an active tank. jackdaw, felt underwhelming, but I think most of that was due to missile travel time. they seemed reasonably popular in the AT, the lml get a ton of range and pretty good volley damage. I would expect it to feel better in pve. @ChainsawPlankto
Tsukino Stareine Sock Robbers Inc. Low-Class 1364	Posted - 2015.09.01 00:07:21 - [3] - Quote jackdaw is just like a small caracal, fit it with light missiles and a shield booster and you can do level 4 missions and probably 4/10 DEDs
Omnathious Deninard Novis Initiis 3066	Posted - 2015.09.01 01:17:39 - [4] - Quote Hecate can do almost any high sec exploration site. Some of the higher rated ones need some creative flying but are doable. If you don't follow the rules, neither will I.
Jarsoom Blade Blade's Legion 3	Posted - 2015.09.01 08:59:58 - [5] - Quote Thanks for commenting! Yesterday I acually quickly changed from training Caldari Destroyer to Amarr Destroyer. Shooting lasers (in a really cool looking hull) instead of missiles after all this time is something I'm really looking forward to. Despite having to pauze my training for a last few skills to V for an optimized Tengu :') For PvE in the Confessor, is one Small Armor Repairer II enough for 4/10 and certain WH's? I'm not familiar enough with active armor tanking coming from ASB's/shields, and also totally unfamiliar with WH PvE to be honest. But I've seen fits with one repper, DC II and two armor resist modules. Also, what are the positives/negatives for armor and shield tanked Svipul? My mission running alt on which I'm training for the Svipul is also shield trained. Fly Quafe o7
Elinara Yamamoto Latex Entosis 0	Posted - 2015.09.01 09:34:53 - [6] - Quote Confessor is about the best ship I have ever done the Epic Arc in! Love the ship, fly it in small gangs a lot too.
Tsukino Stareine Sock Robbers Inc. Low-Class 1365	Posted - 2015.09.01 10:07:12 - [7] - Quote Thing about the confessor is the lack of damage selection but it shouldn't hold you back too much. If you can fly correctly and get good transversal on larger targets the t2 armour repper should be fine. For wormholes I guess you'd be able to solo C2 sites with close to maxed skills.
ChromeStriker Out of Focus Odin's Call 938	Posted - 2015.09.01 10:21:38 - [8] - Quote T3 master race -_- No Worries
Jarsoom Blade Blade's Legion 3	Posted - 2015.09.01 11:38:09 - [9] - Quote Tsukino Stareine wrote: Thing about the confessor is the lack of damage selection but it shouldn't hold you back too much Yeah I was thinking that aswell. Would have to look for specific rats which isn't a problem, been doing that flying other ships aswell. Might be nice, see some new sights other than the cold blue/grayness of Caldari space or the rusted skies of Minmatar all the time :P Only thing worth mentioning that could be troublesome is an unoptimized fit, mainly missing a T2 armor tank. T2 lasers I'll have in 3+ days with already decent gunnery support skills trained, but the Hull Upgrades V of 9+ days of training I'm not looking forward to :P would it be a big issue if i meta an energized adaptive nano membrane? Fly Quafe o7
Tsukino Stareine Sock Robbers Inc. Low-Class 1365	Posted - 2015.09.01 12:36:37 - [10] - Quote I would say give it a try and just warp out if needed. Then you'll know whether or not it's possible with your current skillset.

Jarsoom Blade Blade's Legion 3	Posted - 2015.09.01 15:27:23 - [11] - Quote Fair advice, thanks :P Anyone any thoughts on the positives and negatives on fitting an armor tanked Svipul against a shield tanked Svipul? Fly Quafe o7
Caligula Gaius Claudian Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire 8	Posted - 2015.09.02 00:17:48 - [12] - Quote Confessor here. Lvl2 and Epic Arcs. Then would try it in lvl3.
Uriam Khanid New Machinarium Corporation 7	Posted - 2015.09.02 06:22:39 - [13] - Quote after some missioning/WH/plexing on T3D, some thoughts: 1) Confessor (beam) - best of all 4. can do almost all L3 (both blitz and genocide) and some L4 blitz (spies for example). for plexing better than worm/gila (up to 4/10) wormhole C1 class without problem, wolf-rayette up to C3 class. 2) Hecate (railgun) - same as confessor, but you need to carry a lot of ammo. no plase for more loot. but excellent defense mode 3) Svipul (artillery) - can do L3/WH C1. But lack in range, so you need to spend more time on mission than confessor/hecate. ammo in cargo, 10s reload time. but excellent defense mode. 4) Jackdaw (rocket and light missile) - same as svipul. in WH your have a problem that called - damage delayed aplication... and ammo in cargo... P.S. damage selection for hecate/confessor is a mith. if you have a lot of dps you don't need another type of ammo.
Jarsoom Blade Blade's Legion 3	Posted - 2015.09.03 07:35:37 - [14] - Quote Uriam Khanid wrote: after some missioning/WH/plexing on T3D, some thoughts: 1) Confessor (beam) - best of all 4. can do almost all L3 (both blitz and genocide) and some L4 blitz (spies for example). for plexing better than worm/gila (up to 4/10) wormhole C1 class without problem, wolf-rayette up to C3 class. Could I trouble you for the fit? And what is the dps and optimal range I can expect/should aim for on a PvE beam Confessor? Thanks all for providing useful info! Tired of playing alone? Wanna make some friends? Join 'Blade's Legion Recruitment' channel
Uriam Khanid New Machinarium Corporation 9	Posted - 2015.09.04 17:04:53 - [15] - Quote as you ask (armor fit): Confessor, Big beam: 4xSmall Focused Beam Laser II Core Probe launcher II, 8xCore Scanner Probe I Salvager I 2xEutectic Compact Cap Recharger 1MN Monopropellant Enduring Afterburner 3xHeat Sink II Damage Control II Small Armor Repairer II Small Energy Locus Coordinator II Small Processor Overclocking Unit I Small Nanobot Accelerator I sharpshooter mode: Imperial Multi - 16+3km@487dps/1340 alpha; Aurora - 59+3km@282dps/777 alpha other mode's: imperial Multi - 10+3km; Aurora - 36+3km capacitor enough for 3,5 minutes tips and comments: i do not think that my fit is good for you. From your fit i see that you have fears and phobies like tank, capacitor and tracking. and you need 200+ dps for safely+quickly (in small ship) doing WH sites. if not - you will be killed by sleepers.
Jarsoom Blade Blade's Legion 3	Posted - 2015.09.04 22:38:37 - [16] - Quote Uriam Khanid wrote: tips and comments: i do not think that my fit is good for you. From your fit i see that you have fears and phobies like tank, capacitor and tracking. and you need 200+ dps for safely+quickly (in small ship) doing WH sites. if not - you will be killed by sleepers. Thanks for your fit! Will look into it some more ;) Fears and phobias lol. Such deductive skills. I fitted the tracking enhancer for the extra range. Might change it out for a heat sink instead, since my gunnery skills arent high enough to get high damage on their own, and range won't matter then anyway. And cap stable so i can just let the repper go on and on. I based the fit on this one http://www.engadget.com/2015/01/04/eve-evolved-fitting-the-confessor-for-pve-and-pvp/ Since I've never flown a T3D, have no idea how the tank is, so that is totally correct idd! Tired of playing alone? Wanna make some friends? Join 'Blade's Legion Recruitment' channel
Dato Koppla Kiwis In Space No Points Necessary 866	Posted - 2015.09.05 07:14:13 - [17] - Quote A PvP fit kite Confessor can do all the Sansha/Blood 2-4/10s with ease as well as belt rat around lowsec quite competently. Also since it's PvP fit you stand a good chance against people trying to mess with you. Oh, also you can have an expanded probe launcher to scan down other people doing DEDs and hunt them down to steal their sites as well as scan down DEDs. Very versatile and very useful. I don't have a fit on me right now since I'm not at home, but message me in-game and I can send it to you if you like.
Jarsoom Blade Blade's Legion 3	Posted - 2015.09.06 14:21:06 - [18] - Quote Dato Koppla wrote: Very versatile and very useful. I don't have a fit on me right now since I'm not at home, but message me in-game and I can send it to you if you like. Thanks, appreciated ;) I'm fiddling around with fits in EFT aswell, and it's always nice to see other people's ideas on fits! Tired of playing alone? Wanna make some friends? Join 'Blade's Legion Recruitment' channel
W0lf Crendraven Welfcorp 339	Posted - 2015.09.06 18:18:35 - [19] - Quote Dato Koppla wrote: A PvP fit kite Confessor can do all the Sansha/Blood 2-4/10s with ease as well as belt rat around lowsec quite competently. Also since it's PvP fit you stand a good chance against people trying to mess with you. Oh, also you can have an expanded probe launcher to scan down other people doing DEDs and hunt them down to steal their sites as well as scan down DEDs. Very versatile and very useful. I don't have a fit on me right now since I'm not at home, but message me in-game and I can send it to you if you like. You can do everything up to and including 6/10 in a 10mn confessor (at least with links), just takes forever (at least angel ones).
Dato Koppla Kiwis In Space No Points Necessary 867	Posted - 2015.09.07 02:13:38 - [20] - Quote W0lf Crendraven wrote: Dato Koppla wrote: A PvP fit kite Confessor can do all the Sansha/Blood 2-4/10s with ease as well as belt rat around lowsec quite competently. Also since it's PvP fit you stand a good chance against people trying to mess with you. Oh, also you can have an expanded probe launcher to scan down other people doing DEDs and hunt them down to steal their sites as well as scan down DEDs. Very versatile and very useful. I don't have a fit on me right now since I'm not at home, but message me in-game and I can send it to you if you like. You can do everything up to and including 6/10 in a 10mn confessor (at least with links), just takes forever (at least angel ones). Yeah the speed tank on the 10MN allows you to do those sites but the 300+ dps you're rocking with Conflag at close range just doesn't cut it. Between burning to get into range and the low top end dps you'll take so long to do the site that you're better off flying to a trade hub to get a proper ship and coming back to do it. Also not sure how well it will fare against Blood 5-6/10s with the neuts and web towers.

Pew Terror Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic 227	Posted - 2015.09.07 07:08:17 - [21] - Quote Confessor, C13 Wormholes, 200+ mil/hour solo in a destroyer
Tecka Grethys Ban Industries Inc. Moist. 1	Posted - 2015.09.07 12:40:49 - [22] - Quote If you look for a C13, just mail me. ;)
Leviathan NobleWolf Viziam Amarr Empire 0	Posted - 2015.11.01 22:55:54 - [23] - Quote Uriam Khanid wrote: as you ask (armor fit): Confessor, Big beam: 4xSmall Focused Beam Laser II Core Probe launcher II, 8xCore Scanner Probe I Salvager I 2xEutectic Compact Cap Recharger 1MN Monopropellant Enduring Afterburner 3xHeat Sink II Damage Control II Small Armor Repairer II Small Energy Locus Coordinator II Small Processor Overclocking Unit I Small Nanobot Accelerator I sharpshooter mode: Imperial Multi - 16+3km@487dps/1340 alpha; Aurora - 59+3km@282dps/777 alpha other mode's: imperial Multi - 10+3km; Aurora - 36+3km capacitor enough for 3,5 minutes tips and comments: i do not think that my fit is good for you. From your fit i see that you have fears and phobies like tank, capacitor and tracking. and you need 200+ dps for safely+quickly (in small ship) doing WH sites. if not - you will be killed by sleepers. I have a similar fit to this but mine has no where near your DPS. What skills do you have to get it that high?
Nnezu Artificial Memories 14	Posted - 2015.11.01 23:46:11 - [24] - Quote Quote: [Svipul, 4/10] Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II Tracking Enhancer II 1MN Afterburner II Medium Shield Booster II Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II 280mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma S 280mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma S 280mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma S 280mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma S Core Probe Launcher II [Empty High slot] Small Projectile Collision Accelerator II Small Ancillary Current Router I [Empty Rig slot] Quote: [Jackdaw, coreli stuff] Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II 1MN Afterburner II Medium Shield Booster II Missile Guidance Computer II, Missile Range Script Astro-Inertial Compact Missile Guidance Computer, Missile Range Script Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II Light Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Light Missile Light Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Light Missile Light Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Light Missile Light Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Light Missile Light Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Light Missile Core Probe Launcher II Small Warhead Calefaction Catalyst II Small Core Defense Capacitor Safeguard I Small Core Defense Capacitor Safeguard I Been using those two for 4/10s, mostly caldari and gallente space. The svipul is struggling a bit with range. Both fits run a number of c2 anomalies aswell. Confessor and Hecate have a em/therm or therm/kin lock, though they can get similar or better results in their space.
Atsi Nola Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic 0	Posted - 2015.11.02 15:30:51 - [25] - Quote Its abit overkill whit deadspace mods but it does all faction 0-4/10 deds and easily 1-3 agents. Swap hardeners to faction type and stay in prop mode to keep range. [Jackdaw] Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Navy Micro Auxiliary Power Core Coreli A-Type 5MN Microwarpdrive Gistii B-Type Small Shield Booster Gist B-Type EM Ward Field Gist B-Type EM Ward Field Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron Missile Guidance Computer II, Missile Range Script Light Missile Launcher II Light Missile Launcher II Light Missile Launcher II Light Missile Launcher II Light Missile Launcher II Sisters Core Probe Launcher Small Hydraulic Bay Thrusters I Small Hydraulic Bay Thrusters II Small Capacitor Control Circuit II Nanite Repair Paste x150 Navy lights hits at 67.5km, Furys 50.6, Precision 33.8. Add 40% when in sharpshooter mode
Uriam Khanid New Machinarium Corporation 14	Posted - 2015.11.02 20:01:20 - [26] - Quote Leviathan NobleWolf wrote: I have a similar fit to this but mine has no where near your DPS. What skills do you have to get it that high? all 5. with implants you cross 500 dps


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