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Thor Nergal
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Posted - 2015.09.01 07:29:25 -
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I am pretty sure that this is not posted elsewhere on the F&I thread but can the Bowhead get a Fleet Hangar.
I use my Bowhead like one would use an Orca, put in multiple ships and have fittings in the cargo bays, However when it comes to the Bowhead there is no way to allow fleet members to fit the modules unless they have it in their cargo,
I also find it annoying to move mobile depots etc to these pilots as they can't be jettisoned.
CCP please add a Fleet Hangar to the bowhead 5,000m3 would be plenty!
Regards
Thor Nergal
P.S happy to hear from others as to why this should not happen or support the adjustment. |
Reaver Glitterstim
Dromedaworks inc
Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2015.09.01 07:58:25 -
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I agree with this wholeheartedly. I'd also like to tack on increasing the cargohold space of industrials with specialized bays, especially mining barges. I feel the cargoholds are unfairly cramped in the following ships:
Procurer (350m3)
Retriever (450m3)
Covetor (350m3)
Skiff (350m3)
Mackinaw (450m3)
Hulk (350m3)
Kryos (550m3)
Epithal (550m3)
Miasmos (550m3)
Hoarder (500m3)
CCP, would it kill you to give them at least 1000m3 each?
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Caleb Seremshur
Gladiators of Rage
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Posted - 2015.09.01 09:57:36 -
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Wasn't the bowhead like specifically designed to be some carebear incursion hauling ship? It doesn't even have a jumpdrive.
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FireFrenzy
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Posted - 2015.09.01 12:59:01 -
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it wasnt specifically designed as such, but alot of incursion runners do you use it to haul **** around highsec...
But i know a bunch of people who want to use them out in nullsec... |
TigerXtrm
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2015.09.01 13:02:07 -
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While we're at it, could the yield for mining barges please be increased so I can strip a belt in about half an hour? I find it fairly annoying that mining takes so long. Also please give them a cargobay of about 1 million m3 so I don't have to fly back to station constantly and lose time, very frustrating you know.
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Thor Nergal
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Posted - 2015.09.01 13:35:22 -
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Ok I get it just because something is annoying we shouldn't change it right? 
Well the Bowhead performs in practice similar features of an orca and rorqual.
However this ship doesn't just move mining barges around it moves almost any sub-cap.
Thus why does it not have a fleet hangar like these ships?
Additionally @Reaver Glitterstim in the case your post was not trolling  I don't believe or endorse such a change. The barges and industrial's work fine for their particular purpose (in respect to cargo space alone).
Jump Drives, would be a tech II thing thus a separate subject.
Regards
Thor Nergal |
Reaver Glitterstim
Dromedaworks inc
Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2015.09.01 14:57:09 -
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Thor Nergal wrote:Additionally @Reaver Glitterstim in the case your post was not trolling I don't believe or endorse such a change. The barges and industrial's work fine for their particular purpose (in respect to cargo space alone).
I wasn't trolling. I'd gladly give up 2500m3 in my PI hold on my Epithal for 500m3 more cargohold.
Pirate ship Nightmare, can you fathom
Larger but with smaller spikes than Phantasm
The Succubus looks meaner
But the Revenant cleaner
Seems as they get bigger, the smaller spikes they has'm
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Maldiro Selkurk
CHEMO IMMUNO RESISTANT VIRUS X
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Posted - 2015.09.01 18:20:11 -
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Thor Nergal wrote:Ok I get it just because something is annoying we shouldn't change it right? Well the Bowhead performs in practice similar features of an orca and rorqual. However this ship doesn't just move mining barges around it moves almost any sub-cap. Thus why does it not have a fleet hangar like these ships? Additionally @Reaver Glitterstim in the case your post was not trolling I don't believe or endorse such a change. The barges and industrial's work fine for their particular purpose (in respect to cargo space alone). Jump Drives, would be a tech II thing thus a separate subject. Regards Thor Nergal
As it happens they have a ahip in the game already that suits your needs.....checks through ISIS, let me see, where is it....oh its called an ORCA.
Upside the ORCA has a fleet hanger, downside it holds far fewer ships. Bowhead holds far more in ships but doesnt have a fleet hanger. Seems you have a choice to make. Choice is good game design.
Yawn,-á I'm right as usual. The predictability kinda gets boring really.
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Reaver Glitterstim
Dromedaworks inc
Test Alliance Please Ignore
2601
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Posted - 2015.09.01 23:45:33 -
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Maldiro Selkurk wrote:If you want your niche ship to become more generalized you mist pay a severe penalty for this increased generalization.
Why don't we hand out a new set of specialized industrials with a smaller main bay and bigger cargohold, for the races that don't have much variety?
Pirate ship Nightmare, can you fathom
Larger but with smaller spikes than Phantasm
The Succubus looks meaner
But the Revenant cleaner
Seems as they get bigger, the smaller spikes they has'm
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ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
Snuffed Out
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Posted - 2015.09.01 23:59:49 -
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Reaver Glitterstim wrote:Maldiro Selkurk wrote:If you want your niche ship to become more generalized you mist pay a severe penalty for this increased generalization. Why don't we hand out a new set of specialized industrials with a smaller main bay and bigger cargohold, for the races that don't have much variety?
Because the only reason those "specialized" industrial hulls exist is because many players wailed for the DEVs to keep the "extra" industrials after the industrial ship rebalance (for various reasons).
Originally the were being considered for deletion.
So the "specializations" you see today are literally the result of, "eh, give them bonuses and fitting that are superfically cool but don't step on the toes of the newly rebalanced ships" type thinking.
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Thor Nergal
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Posted - 2015.09.02 00:07:20 -
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Maldiro Selkurk wrote:Niche ships are always very good at what they do since they are niche ships. If you want your niche ship to become more generalized you mist pay a severe penalty for this increased generalization. What carrying capacity are you willing to give up to get your 5000m3 hanger, 15 percent and i back your request anything less and you arent paying the price for generalization.
In terms of the above the bowhead has a base cargo hold capacity of 4,000m3,
In my opinion I would be willing to reduce this to 250m3, almost all of it, in lieu of a fleet hangar.
The increase to utility would be well worth the price.
Regards
Thor Nergal
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Reaver Glitterstim
Dromedaworks inc
Test Alliance Please Ignore
2601
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Posted - 2015.09.02 00:10:09 -
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ShahFluffers wrote:So the "specializations" you see today are literally the result of, "eh, give them bonuses and fitting that are superfically cool but don't step on the toes of the newly rebalanced ships" type thinking.
Well in that vein they failed miserably. Not only do these ships haul a lot more that a fully-cargo-fit large industrial, they do it without being cargo-fit at all. Being specialized, they may not push other industrials off the table completely but they are certainly stepping on toes.
Pirate ship Nightmare, can you fathom
Larger but with smaller spikes than Phantasm
The Succubus looks meaner
But the Revenant cleaner
Seems as they get bigger, the smaller spikes they has'm
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Thor Nergal
Impass Shipyards
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Posted - 2015.09.02 23:32:43 -
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Reaver Glitterstim wrote:
Why does it need to be specialized to the point of making it painful to fly? Howabout:
1,500,000m3 Ship Maintenance Bay
6,000m3 Cargohold
20,000m3 Fleet Hangar
I would love those stats  TBH however I would also be happy with just a fleet hangar. |
Maldiro Selkurk
CHEMO IMMUNO RESISTANT VIRUS X
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Posted - 2015.09.02 23:53:05 -
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Thor Nergal wrote:Maldiro Selkurk wrote:Niche ships are always very good at what they do since they are niche ships. If you want your niche ship to become more generalized you mist pay a severe penalty for this increased generalization. What carrying capacity are you willing to give up to get your 5000m3 hanger, 15 percent and i back your request anything less and you arent paying the price for generalization. Firstly I don't see how this makes the Bowhead more generalized. It is a ship moving freighter with a fitting service, IMHO to have a fleet hangar is a given. However the Bowhead has a base cargo hold capacity of 4,000m3, I would be willing to reduce this to 250m3, almost all of it, in lieu of a fleet hangar. The increase to utility would be well worth the price. Regards Thor Nergal
Wait so in one breath you say that it isnt increasing generalized use and in the same breath you say that having a fleet hanger would be a nice utility addition.
Btw, when you give up something to become more generalized you dont give up trivial stuff for increased generalization, it doesnt work that way, so again take a 15% cut to your ability to haul ships where it becomes a legitimate cost to something you actually care about or there is no reason to justify this change.
Yawn,-á I'm right as usual. The predictability kinda gets boring really.
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Maldiro Selkurk
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Posted - 2015.09.03 01:04:11 -
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Yawn,-á I'm right as usual. The predictability kinda gets boring really.
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Thor Nergal
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Posted - 2015.09.03 03:48:36 -
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Maldiro Selkurk wrote:
Wait so in one breath you say that it isnt increasing generalized use and in the same breath you say that having a fleet hanger would be a nice utility addition.
Btw, when you give up something to become more generalized you dont give up trivial stuff for increased generalization, it doesnt work that way, so again take a 15% cut to your ability to haul ships where it becomes a legitimate cost to something you actually care about or there is no reason to justify this change.
Wait are you suggesting we trade 15% reduction to SMA for a fleet hangar?
If so I am happy to pay that price however I am not sure others would. Not unless the fleet hangar was a lot bigger than the proposed 5,000m3
Also you are aware the fleet hangar only allows fleet member (and corp mate) access to one's cargo hold right? That why I am asking how this makes the Bowhead "more generalized" |
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